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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭kev_s88


    kev_s88 wrote: »
    okay so here goes my attempt......... very much like Charles Davis' Mock Draft 3.0 from nfl.com......but with a few slight changes that i think might make a bit more sense for some teams :D

    1. Detroit Lions - Matt Stafford QB (Georgia)
    2. St. Louis Rams - Jason Smith OT (Baylor)
    3. Kansas City Chiefs - Aaron Curry LB (Wake Forest)
    4. Seattle Seahawks - Eugene Monroe OT (Virginia)
    5. Cleveland Browns - Brian Orakpo DE/LB (Texas)
    6. Cincinnati Bengals - Andre Smith OT (Alabama)
    7. Oakland Raiders - Jeremy Maclin WR (Missouri)
    8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Crabtree WR (Texas Tech)
    9. Green Bay Packers - Malcolm Jenkins CB (Ohio State)
    10. San Francisco 49ers - Mark Sanchez QB (USC)
    11. Buffalo Bills - Everette Brown DE/LB (Florida State)
    12. Denver Broncos - BJ Raji DT (Boston College)
    13. Washington Redskins - Tyson Jackson DE (LSU)
    14. New Orleans Saints - Brian Cushing LB (USC)
    15. Houston Texans - Vontae Davis CB (Illinois)
    16. San Diego Chargers - Beanie Wells RB (Ohio State)
    17. New York Jets - Josh Freeman QB (Kansas State)
    18. Denver Broncos (from Bears) - Rey Maualuga LB (USC)
    19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Peria Jerry DT (Mississippi)
    20. Detroit Lions (from Dallas) - Michael Oher OT (Mississippi)
    21. Philadelphia Eagles - Knowshon Moreno RB (Georgia)
    22. Minnesota Vikings - Percy Harvin WR (Florida)
    23. New England Patriots - Clay Matthews LB (USC)
    24. Atlanta Falcons - Brandon Pettigrew TE (Oklahoma State)
    25. Miami Dolphins - Kenny Britt WR (Rutgers)
    26. Baltimore Ravens - James Laurinaitis LB (Ohio State)
    27. Indianapolis Colts - Evander Hood DT (Missouri)
    28. Philadelphia Eagles (from Carolina) - Eben Britton OT (Arizona)
    29. New York Giants - Hakeem Nicks WR (North Carolina)
    30. Tennessee Titans - Robert Ayers DE (Tennessee)
    31. Arizona Cardinals - LeSean McCoy RB (Pittsburgh)
    32. Pittsburgh Steelers - William Beatty OT (Connecticut)

    27 out of 32 go in the first round...... 5 in the right place but only 4 to the right team....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Karlusss


    Karlusss wrote: »
    1. Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford QB (Georgia)
    2. St. Louis Rams - Jason Smith OT (Baylor)
    3. Kansas City Chiefs - Eugene Monroe OT (Virginia)
    4. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Crabtree WR (Texas Tech)
    5. Cleveland Browns - Aaron Curry LB (Wake Forest)
    6. Cincinnati Bengals - Andre Smith OT
    7. Oakland Raiders - Jeremy Maclin WR
    8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Brian Orakpo DE
    9. Green Bay Packers - BJ Raji DT
    10. San Francisco 49ers - Malcolm Jenkins CB
    11. Buffalo Bills - Michael Oher OT/OG
    12. Denver Broncos - Mark Sanchez QB
    13. Washington Redskins - Rey Maualuga LB
    14. New Orleans Saints - James Laurianitis LB
    15. Houston Texans - Brian Cushing LB
    16. San Diego Chargers - Tyson Jackson DE
    17. New York Jets - Vontae Davis CB
    18. Denver Broncos - Beanie Wells RB
    19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Peria Jerry DT
    20. Detroit Lions - Aaron Maybin DE
    21. Philadelphia Eagles - Knowshon Moreno RB
    22. Minnesota Vikings - Eben Britton OT
    23. New England Patriots - Clay Matthews LB
    24. Atlanta Falcons - Evander Hood DT
    25. Miami Dolphins - Larry English LB
    26. Baltimore Ravens - Percy Harvin WR
    27. Indianapolis Colts - Evander Hood DT
    28. Philadelphia Eagles - Eben Britton OT
    29. New York Giants - Kenny Britt WR
    30. Tennessee Titans - Alex Mack C
    31. Arizona Cardinals - Everette Brown DE
    32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Robert Ayers DE

    26/32.

    Five to the right teams.

    It's also possibly worth noting at this stage that I sent Ziggy Hood to the Falcons AND the Colts. Which was clever.

    Edit: I also picked Eben Britton twice. Wow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭kev_s88


    Karlusss wrote: »
    26/32.

    Five to the right teams.

    It's also possibly worth noting at this stage that I sent Ziggy Hood to the Falcons AND the Colts. Which was clever.

    Edit: I also picked Eben Britton twice. Wow.

    Shoddy work.....:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭heyjude


    7. Oakland Raiders - Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
    damn i'm good, delighted.

    I hope I am wrong, but as a Raiders fan I'm horrified by this years draft picks by the Raiders. I know that it is the same as the past two years, but every year you hope that just for once they'll drop the stopwatch and pick the best player.

    Crabtree had 41 TDs in two college seasons, while Heyward-Bey had 13 TDs in 3 seasons, while the comparisons in yardage and receptions are equally one sided. The reviews of Heyward-Bey all tend to mention 'questionable hands', which is football speak for having 'hands of stone', in order words, he could be the second coming of James Jett and we know how many seasons he led the NFL or Raiders in receiving yards/TDs/receptions.

    The Raiders needed a 'number one' wide receiver in the draft, that is a receiver that is so good that he will attract double coverage on every play, for examples think of Larry Fitzgerald, Hines Ward or Andre Johnson. Would any of them win the NFL's fastest man ? No, but are they great receivers...Yes. The sweet irony is that the 49ers took Crabtree and so he'll be able to rub Al's face in it, if he turns out to be a star for the niners and Bey turns out to be another James Jett.

    The situation yesterday reminds me of the 1985 draft, the Raiders and 49ers were both looking for a wide receiver in the first round, a guy called Jerry Rice was on the board at 16, the Raiders could have traded up from 23 and taken him, but Rice only ran a 4.6 in the 40 while Jessie Hester was a speedster, so while the 49ers(the defending Superbowl champs) traded its first two picks and moved up to 16 and took Rice, the Raiders opted not to trade and took Hester instead. And we know how that worked out :rolleyes:

    If they had to take Heyward-Bey, why not leave it till the second round, Eugene Monroe and BJ Raji were still available and either would have made more impact this coming season than Bey will. The same applies to Mike Mitchell, the safety they got in the second round, most draft experts had him listed as a second day pick, of course, he was the fastest player left on the board. :rolleyes:

    The players they've picked were all expected to go lower and their whole draft has the word 'REACH' written all over it.

    The draft did prove one thing though, Tom Cable has about as much influence in the Raiders draft room as I do. He was talking before the draft about how delighted he would be to pick any of the top four offensive tackles that were available, as it turned out Monroe and Oher were on the board when the Raiders picked and instead he gets the third or fourth best rated wide receiver. I wonder will Cable remind Al of this stupidity when Jamarcus Russell is being pounded by Shawn Merriman in the opening game or will he remind Al of his decision not to draft Raji when the Chargers brush Tommy Kelly aide as they run for 200yds against the Raiders in that game ?

    As I see it, Davis wouldn't pick Monroe or Oher as he's convinced he's solved the left tackle problem with Khalif Barnes(he was so good the Jags let him leave !) and Davis wouldn't pick Raji as that would be seen as an admission that signing Tommy Kelly to that huge contract last year was a mistake and Al doesn't do mistakes or at least he doesn't admit them. Still, unless by some miracle one or more of his long shot draftees turns out to be a superstar, the Raiders will be looking at another top ten draft pick next year, by which time hopefully Al will have turned over the reins to someone else :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    heyjude wrote: »
    As I see it, Davis wouldn't pick Monroe or Oher as he's convinced he's solved the left tackle problem with Khalif Barnes(he was so good the Jags let him leave !) and Davis wouldn't pick Raji as that would be seen as an admission that signing Tommy Kelly to that huge contract last year was a mistake and Al doesn't do mistakes or at least he doesn't admit them. Still, unless by some miracle one or more of his long shot draftees turns out to be a superstar, the Raiders will be looking at another top ten draft pick next year, by which time hopefully Al will have turned over the reins to someone else :)



    Disagree with this part. We didnt need a OT, and Oher dropped down to about the spot DHB was taken. Henderson was excellent for us at LT in the last 3 games and from all accounts Khalif barnes has been usually very good for the jags except for last year. I think he'll end up playing RT and we'll actually have a pretty good offensive line next year. Also, Tommy kelly is an UT while Raji would of been a NT so selecting him wouldnt be an admission of his mistake as both would play together. Although he's pretty much already admitted it was a mistake by re-doing Kellys contract.

    The only reason I can think of why we didnt go with Raji is Al thinks that our poor run defence was down to Rob Ryan plays. Obviously he's hoping big hitting Michael Mitchell will help out alot aswell. I still hate the DHB pick at #7 though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭heyjude


    Disagree with this part. We didnt need a OT, and Oher dropped down to about the spot DHB was taken. Henderson was excellent for us at LT in the last 3 games and from all accounts Khalif barnes has been usually very good for the jags except for last year. I think he'll end up playing RT and we'll actually have a pretty good offensive line next year. Also, Tommy kelly is an UT while Raji would of been a NT so selecting him wouldnt be an admission of his mistake as both would play together. Although he's pretty much already admitted it was a mistake by re-doing Kellys contract.

    The only reason I can think of why we didnt go with Raji is Al thinks that our poor run defence was down to Rob Ryan plays. Obviously he's hoping big hitting Michael Mitchell will help out alot aswell. I still hate the DHB pick at #7 though.

    I won't be convinced by Henderson till he's played for a full season, while I think the Jags would have given Barnes the benefit of the doubt if he was that good. As for Barnes playing RT, I don't think he'd be happy doing that, as he only has a one year deal and LT is where the really big bucks are, when he is a free agent next year.

    As for Kelly playing alongside Raji, if Raji had been picked, don't forget that at present on a rushing down, the two DTs are Kelly and Sands, and Sands was also given(what was considered a very generous contract for a career backup). I think the Raiders need a big DT that attracts a double team on running plays, so when they missed on BJ Raji, I had hoped they would nab Ron Brace, but they traded down with the Patriots in round 2 and the Patriots used that pick to take Ron Brace :(

    I think blaming Ryan for the defensive failings is a bit unfair. Ryan specialises in utilising aggressive 3-4 defences and he was forced to use a 4-3 with the Raiders, while Al doesn't favour a defence with heavy blitzing as he prefers to rely on the DL to pressure the QB while the cornerbacks stay in man to man coverage. I suspect you will see what Ryan is capable of, this year in Cleveland, where he will have a 3-4 defence and I'm sure you'll see plenty of blitzing as you see with the Ravens and Steelers.

    Didn't Kiffin allege that Ryan was consulting Davis over the defence ? If so, a change in co-ordinator will not see much change in the style of defensive play or playcalling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 261 ✭✭TheHeadhunter


    I disagree, i think DHB was a good selection by Al. He's raw pace is just to much to risk not getting your hands on. With his speed and Russell's cannon arm if they can link up down field it will be a great combination.

    As for his questionable hands some of the so called very good and even great receivers have had dodgey hands look at Braylon Edwards, he couldn't catch a cold last year and TO is notorious for the amount of dropped balls he has a year. By the way I am not yet comparing DHB to either TO or Braylon Edwards don't get me wrong there.

    Also did Crabtree not diss the Raiders pre draft or something to that effect?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    No offence but I truly feel sorry for you Raider fans.

    Al Davis's way, height weight speed, is so old. While he was once the life and soul of the franchise he is killing it year in year out now. Abominable decision after abominable decision wow.

    It is amazing how predictable he is. I understand HB was taken over Maclin cos he ran a faster 40. God forbid u pick Crab since he never even ran a 40.

    Monroe, Raji, Crab, Orakpo and English would all have been better picks imho. And Crab will be laughing from across the bay.

    I wish u the best (kinda) but I fear for u once again.

    Go Chargers!.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    I disagree, i think DHB was a good selection by Al. He's raw pace is just to much to risk not getting your hands on. With his speed and Russell's cannon arm if they can link up down field it will be a great combination.

    As for his questionable hands some of the so called very good and even great receivers have had dodgey hands look at Braylon Edwards, he couldn't catch a cold last year and TO is notorious for the amount of dropped balls he has a year. By the way I am not yet comparing DHB to either TO or Braylon Edwards don't get me wrong there.

    Also did Crabtree not diss the Raiders pre draft or something to that effect?


    Why do you Browns were trying to get rid of Edwards? He was drafted 3rd overall and so far he's been a bust imo. He's had one 1000yrd+ season which is very poor return. DHB would of been a good pick if we werent desperate for a No.1 WR straight away, DHB will take probaly about 2 years to develop and I think Crabtree has the potential to atleast be our #2 WR from day one.
    Leslie91 wrote: »
    No offence but I truly feel sorry for you Raider fans.

    Al Davis's way, height weight speed, is so old. While he was once the life and soul of the franchise he is killing it year in year out now. Abominable decision after abominable decision wow.

    It is amazing how predictable he is. I understand HB was taken over Maclin cos he ran a faster 40. God forbid u pick Crab since he never even ran a 40.

    Monroe, Raji, Crab, Orakpo and English would all have been better picks imho. And Crab will be laughing from across the bay.

    I wish u the best (kinda) but I fear for u once again.

    Go Chargers!.


    Due to our division I still think we have a good chance at play-offs. Broncos and the Chiefs are in a much bigger mess then we are, the chargers should easily win the division though, but they should of easily won it last year aswell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Karlusss


    That's arguable. The Broncos could go either way, but they started better than the Raiders IMO, and the Chiefs are in an equal amount of mess I would say. My unstudied hunch at this point would be that you split games with the Broncos and Chiefs, and lose both to the Chargers.

    Heyward-Bey isn't necessarily a bad pick because he's not going to eventually become a decent player - he's a bad pick because he's such a reach. He was, at best, the fourth best receiver in the draft.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Karlusss wrote: »

    Heyward-Bey isn't necessarily a bad pick because he's not going to eventually become a decent player - he's a bad pick because he's such a reach. He was, at best, the fourth best receiver in the draft.
    Yeah, I'm sure there were plenty of teams who would've been interested in trading up to that spot with Monroe, Raji and Crabtree still available. They could have moved down as far as 20 imo without any worry of losing out on their selection and picked up another decent pick for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    28 out my 32 were selected in round 1. I had 5 in the right spot.
    Actually just realised I had 6 in the right spot. Freeman went 17th to the Bucs after they traded with the Jets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/102356-heyward-bey-unimpressive-in-raiders-debut?eref=fromSI

    Ooooooooooops.

    God Bless Al. One can always rely on him to reach and miss every year in April.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/102356-heyward-bey-unimpressive-in-raiders-debut?eref=fromSI

    Ooooooooooops.

    God Bless Al. One can always rely on him to reach and miss every year in April.



    :rolleyes:

    Wow, he dropped a few passes in mini camp, do you think we should cut him now or try and trade him for a 7th round?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭Sea Devils


    Judging a player after a minicamp is incredibly naive. You might as well cite Stafford as a bust then since apparently he had a few erratic passes during the Lions minicamp.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Karlusss


    When you draft a guy who's not the best ball-handling/big play receiver because he's fast, you expect him to take a while to get the hang of things, especially if he's going to be a number one in a (presumably, I wouldn't want to assume anything with Al though) fairly complex scheme.

    Although Sea Devils you have to admit that guys like Brett Favre and Kurt Warner didn't show much at mini-camp, and their careers never recovered from the blow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    :rolleyes:

    Wow, he dropped a few passes in mini camp, do you think we should cut him now or try and trade him for a 7th round?

    Absolutely not.

    All I'm trying to say is that Al Davis is killing the Raiders year after year. I have nothing against DHB, it is not his fault he was picked too high by a geriatric fool. That's all. He was picked far too high, when much better players were there including other wideouts if that is what they wanted.

    I'm amazed that the 'Raider Nation' has not ditched the blind loyalty and demanded he sell the team and F off.

    It's all good though (if you support any of the other AFC West teams).


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Leslie91 wrote: »

    I'm amazed that the 'Raider Nation' has not ditched the blind loyalty and demanded he sell the team and F off.
    What do you mean? All those grim reapers in the crowd at home games are there for a reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    I have nothing against DHB, it is not his fault he was picked too high by a geriatric fool. That's all. He was picked far too high, when much better players were there including other wideouts if that is what they wanted.

    I'm amazed that the 'Raider Nation' has not ditched the blind loyalty and demanded he sell the team and F off.

    It's all good though (if you support any of the other AFC West teams).



    You posted an article about DHB dropping passes as if it was an "I told you he would be a bust" way. Judging someone a mini-camp is ridic stupid. Demand he sell the team? It his team which he set up, anyone "demanding" he sell the team should **** off an support the Patriots or Steelers. Dont get me wrong, I'd be all for him handing over control to someone else but I'm certainly not going to demand he sell up.


    I'm pretty sure it's not all good if your a Chiefs or Broncos fan. Broncos have had a awful off-season and they already want Mcdaniels sacked. Talking about picking to high? Tyler Jackson says hello.

    I dont really agree with how the draft went but in general our off-season has been excellent, we've improved in nearly every area of need(except the DL).


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    You posted an article about DHB dropping passes as if it was an "I told you he would be a bust" way. Judging someone a mini-camp is ridic stupid. Demand he sell the team? It his team which he set up, anyone "demanding" he sell the team should **** off an support the Patriots or Steelers. Dont get me wrong, I'd be all for him handing over control to someone else but I'm certainly not going to demand he sell up.

    I'm pretty sure it's not all good if your a Chiefs or Broncos fan. Broncos have had a awful off-season and they already want Mcdaniels sacked. Talking about picking to high? Tyler Jackson says hello.

    I dont really agree with how the draft went but in general our off-season has been excellent, we've improved in nearly every area of need(except the DL).

    Like I said above I posted the article to illustrate what a fool Al Davis is period. I know Raider fans can only hope for the best when he, again, picks a player based purely on measurables instead of picking a player of need who has 'played' consistently well at the college level. But to deny he is killing the franchise (I am not saying u are denying it btw) is blind loyalty. 'Raider Nation' needs to cop on and demand that the lad be removed yesterday else give someone else the reins like you suggested.

    As for your other moves, one thing I will say about Mitchell, your other v questionable pick, is that he seems a great guy. I just watched his presser at minicamp and was v impressed with how he came across. I hope he makes it, I really do. After what he had to hear from the likes of Kiper etc and follow in the esteemed footsteps of Huff, I wish him the very best.

    I agree Tyson Jackson was a big reach too, but I am not a Chiefs fan. I bleed blue n gold.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Karlusss


    Demanding a new owner doesn't work. Ask the United fans who went off and set up their own club when Glazer took over.

    I think Raider fans still appreciate that Al Davis lives and breathes the Raiders. His loyalty to the club and his genuine efforts to make them better, even if everyone else thinks it's stupid, have to be worth something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    Like I said above I posted the article to illustrate what a fool Al Davis is period. I know Raider fans can only hope for the best when he, again, picks a player based purely on measurables instead of picking a player of need who has 'played' consistently well at the college level. But to deny he is killing the franchise (I am not saying u are denying it btw) is blind loyalty. 'Raider Nation' needs to cop on and demand that the lad be removed yesterday else give someone else the reins like you suggested.

    As for your other moves, one thing I will say about Mitchell, your other v questionable pick, is that he seems a great guy. I just watched his presser at minicamp and was v impressed with how he came across. I hope he makes it, I really do. After what he had to hear from the likes of Kiper etc and follow in the esteemed footsteps of Huff, I wish him the very best.

    I agree Tyson Jackson was a big reach too, but I am not a Chiefs fan. I bleed blue n gold.


    How does DHB dropping a few passes make him a fool? At least wait until DHB palys a nfl game before jumping to the conclusion that he's a fool because of the DHB pick, If DHB turns out to be Randy Moss 2.0 would he be a fool then? Kiper claimed Mike Williams would be a hall of fame WR, woops. I'd would of much preferred Raji or Monroe but I'm not to disappointed grabbing him ahead of crabtree. Crabtree had a horrible interview with us and the browns also said they didnt like the kids attitude. Everything I've seen from both DHB and Mitchell is they seem to be willing to work there socks off and that's definitly a breathe of fresh air from the wasters we have had over the years like Randy Moss and Javon Walker.


    Which is worse? Reaching on a player at number 3 and passing on the best players available in Curry or reaching on a player at 7? I certainly know what I think is worse but have the chiefs got even a 1/10th of the negative press the Raiders have? Hell no. The raiders went into the draft with their 3 main needs being NT, WR, S, and possibly OL. We drafted two of those positions out of 4, no one knows if they'll be the right picks or not yet. Also considering next years draft is tipped to be DL deep I'm hopefully we can address it then. Also alot of people dont give Al credit for the last two drafts which have been excellent, especially in the later rounds.

    Karlusss wrote: »
    I think Raider fans still appreciate that Al Davis lives and breathes the Raiders. His loyalty to the club and his genuine efforts to make them better, even if everyone else thinks it's stupid, have to be worth something.


    This is a huge factor. I could think of alot more worse owners in the nfl who are only using there team as a profit making opportunity. I wont lie and say Al is one of the best, or has his faults, he has plenty but there still isnt alot of teams who can say they've been to a SB this decade.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    Ok Leslie as much as I didnt like the Raiders choice of DHB you certainly cant say he is a bust until he has a played at least half a season of an NFL season.

    I dont like Al Davis and it quite known I dont as I have debated that on here but I agree with Chucky, Al Davis loves the Raiders and would be a fool to sell up something he loves. Would you?

    But he has made some daft choices in his Raiders tenure. In my opinion is he should step aside and hire someone to run the club for him. Someone who has a fresher football brain and wont make make some bad moves. DHB wasnt a really bad choice in fact he is a good WR but many feel Crabtree is better and was the better option. But hey time will tell Bey may outside Crabtree who knows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Ok Lirange as much as I didnt like the Raiders choice of DHB you certainly can't say he is a bust until
    I believe your post should be directed to someone else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    Lirange wrote: »
    I believe your post should be directed to someone else.

    You are spot on and I apologise. Sorry Dude.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    Ok Leslie as much as I didnt like the Raiders choice of DHB you certainly cant say he is a bust until he has a played at least half a season of an NFL season.

    I dont like Al Davis and it quite known I dont as I have debated that on here but I agree with Chucky, Al Davis loves the Raiders and would be a fool to sell up something he loves. Would you?

    But he has made some daft choices in his Raiders tenure. In my opinion is he should step aside and hire someone to run the club for him. Someone who has a fresher football brain and wont make make some bad moves. DHB wasnt a really bad choice in fact he is a good WR but many feel Crabtree is better and was the better option. But hey time will tell Bey may outside Crabtree who knows.

    I never said DHB is/will be a bust. In fact I hope to F he proves Kiper et al wrong. I never wish the worst for a player.

    My point is about Al and what a hasbeen he is. What u have said in ur last paragraph is exactly what should have happened ages ago.

    I find it amazing that 'Raider Nation' has not been advocating this with gusto to have this change brought about. Hey even here in Chargerville, AJ Smith has his haters for chrissakes and his draft record is pretty incredible imho.

    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Karlusss


    I think you're not distinguishing enough between a "reach" and a "bust"... there may have been players who were universally rated higher than Heyward-Bey, but Al obviously had Heyward-Bey rated first. Beyond the fact that those two value charts didn't match up, you're gonna have to wait two or probably three years before you can actually condemn Davis for the move.

    He's done some good stuff as well as stupid stuff - Nnamdi Asomugha as a college FS projecting to corner, for example.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    http://www.bangcartoon.com/2008/tvguide.htm

    Some humour for u Raider and (if there are any) Bengal fans.... and before I'm accused of something, this is just fun, I am not posting this as a dig.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Chanandler Bong


    thats pretty poor


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    thats pretty poor

    Bang Cartoons are funny I think they have done a few taking the Piss out of the Pats and I thought they were hilarious. :D


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