Teaching Qualifications - a few facts worth knowing

Hobart

Sandwich wrote: »

Do you not simply have to accept a prize greater than €750 (or something) and you are a golf 'pro' ?

No.

1916_clan

moderator!

It's clear has a sunny day that ShriekingSheet has a agenda here.

I know 2 egtf golf instructors who have each taught golf for over 12 years and are highly reputable both were under 5 handicap before turning pro. 3 qualifications are licensed to teach in the U.K and Ireland, Pga, Egtf and Wtf.

Interesting point is that most egtf pros are pga students who didn't want to do 5 years working in a store to learn how to teach golf.

Would you believe that working in a tennis store for 5 years would make you a great tennis player or coach????

Its clear ShriekingSheet is after 1 pro in particular who is very well known and respected, or else he would have talked about other qualifications.

Shouldn't be allowed to use boards to bash other people who work hard in our present climate.

ShriekingSheet

Eh, firstly, let the moderator moderate. If there's facts being highlighted here that you don't like, make a counter-argument.

Asking the moderator to kill the thread just makes it seem like you're trying to paper over the valid issues I've raised. The thrust of my argument is that many people could benefit from knowing some of the above when chosing their golf teacher. It seems you'd rather people didn't know the details I've posted.

You can't derride the PGA course as "5 years working in a shop". That's just exagurrating the truth to support your own argument.

Saying that EGTF is a one week course that can be done by anyone with a thousand euro who can shoot 11 over par is not an exagurration - it's a simple fact.

1916_clan wrote: »

moderator!

It's clear has a sunny day that ShriekingSheet has a agenda here.

I know 2 egtf golf instructors who have each taught golf for over 12 years and are highly reputable both were under 5 handicap before turning pro. 3 qualifications are licensed to teach in the U.K and Ireland, Pga, Egtf and Wtf.

Interesting point is that most egtf pros are pga students who didn't want to do 5 years working in a store to learn how to teach golf.

Would you believe that working in a tennis store for 5 years would make you a great tennis player or coach????

Its clear ShriekingSheet is after 1 pro in particular who is very well known and respected, or else he would have talked about other qualifications.

Shouldn't be allowed to use boards to bash other people who work hard in our present climate.

thegen

1916_clan wrote: »

moderator!

It's clear has a sunny day that ShriekingSheet has a agenda here.

I know 2 egtf golf instructors who have each taught golf for over 12 years and are highly reputable both were under 5 handicap before turning pro. 3 qualifications are licensed to teach in the U.K and Ireland, Pga, Egtf and Wtf.

Interesting point is that most egtf pros are pga students who didn't want to do 5 years working in a store to learn how to teach golf.

Would you believe that working in a tennis store for 5 years would make you a great tennis player or coach????

Its clear ShriekingSheet is after 1 pro in particular who is very well known and respected, or else he would have talked about other qualifications.

Shouldn't be allowed to use boards to bash other people who work hard in our present climate.

Sheet is a well respected member of this forum. I do not think he has an agenda.

BUACHAILL

thegen wrote: »

Back chair modding here. Sheet is a well respected member of this forum. Mods please deal with this.

Did u not just do the same thing ??:D just playing

copacetic

Ok, we've had to delete and edit posts and give infractions on this thread. Anymore off topic posts will lead to a minimum weeks ban.

ShriekingSheet

Guys, just to put the above in a nutshell thus far, the key discussion here is around "golf instructor" qualifications. We've had it out about whether it's crucial or not that a good teacher has been a good player but it's not central to the debate.

The below posted by Stockdam sums up why I've posted this...

stockdam wrote: »

All we can do is to use word of mouth; just like we'd probably choose a plumber. That's one of the best things about a forum such as this.......we can quickly get recommendations from others who we respect.

I think it's fair to say there is a significant amount of people who didn't know anything about these qualifications before reading this, and wouldn't have known what to be looking out for before spending their hard earned. This is my little bit of word of mouth. I've stated fact as fact and backed it up, and given my own opinion as opinion. Whether they agree or disagree, I've given people the information and they can make up their own minds after that.

1916_clan

Your facts are spot on,

I investigated it myself before taking up my lessons.
On inquiry I found out from my egtf professional had 4 years training in slade valley golf club in Dublin and had turned pro at the age of 16/17 with handicap of 4.

So iam with you on investigating a pro's background and with any professional service of any kind

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-Chris-

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

I think it's fair to say there is a significant amount of people who didn't know anything about these qualifications before reading this, and wouldn't have known what to be looking out for before spending their hard earned. This is my little bit of word of mouth. I've stated fact as fact and backed it up, and given my own opinion as opinion. Whether they agree or disagree, I've given people the information and they can make up their own minds after that.

I for one am fairly new to this whole Golf thing, and appreciate you bringing this information to my attention.

I'll take what you've said onboard, but I won't let it colour my opinion of any golf instructors I come across. I'll base my assessment of them on how well they teach me. I believe this was the intention of your original post.

Thanks 'sheet.

ShriekingSheet

1916_clan wrote: »

Your facts are spot on,

I investigated it myself before taking up my lessons.
On inquiry I found out from my egtf processional had 4 years training and had turned pro at the age of 16/17 with handicap of 4.

So iam with you on investigating a pro's background and with any professional service of any kind

So you're going to a PGA pro who did his four years, You're really supporting my case here.

And before you go accusing me of being a PGA Pro and have all sorts of agendas, bare in mind that I post here all the time on all sorts of issues. I haven't just arrived to vehimently argue one point as you have. I'm an amateur anyway FYI.

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Hobart

1916_clan wrote: »

Your facts are spot on,

I investigated it myself before taking up my lessons.
On inquiry I found out from my egtf processional(the 1 you hate ) had 4 years training in slade valley golf club in Dublin and had turned pro at the age of 16/17 with handicap of 4.

So iam with you on investigating a pro's background and with any professional service of any kind

I haven't asked for the thread to be killed did you see any text in my message that says kill the thread, I simply called on a moderator to examine your motives.

You are totally against 1 egtf golf instructor you left evidence to this fact that I would like moderators and posters to be aware of, having tracked your posts I realized you addressed this post yesterday
at 9:16am

and your response was ,

then 2 hours later you are strangely starting a thread that bashes that professional through their qualification.

MOTIVE!
I would like this thread to remain so every 1 can see through what you are, obviously a pga professional with a grudge.

Hmmm...I think you are getting a little ahead of yourself tbh. I see no "evidence" of SS being a "pro with a grudge" and I also see no evidence that he hates anybody tbh.

What he has done is presented the facts as they currently stand. I, for one, was always under the assumption that a teaching pro had some sort of affiliation with the PGA. Turns out, this is not the case. Now, what I do with that information is really my own business, but I would rather be in a position of having that knowledge, than not.

copacetic

Ok, thread closed. It appears all the information has been agreed to be factual and getting into discussion of specific people is not acceptable. Some peoples posts have been edited for this reason