Hybrid Bird Flu about to be released?

Woger

Purple Gorilla wrote: »

The flu? Mutating?


..because its never done that before

You're right, that would ake them a mutant which is only real in comic books.

the_syco

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/15517355/?view=Standard
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/eyauidkfgbgb/
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/north-america/concern-over-57-flulike-deaths-in-mexico-1719639.html

Health officials said today that they are concerned about a flu-like disease that has killed 57 people in Mexico, and that the outbreak could be linked to a new type of flu infecting people in the US.

Meh.

blackgold>>

So it begins. http://uk.reuters.com/article/latest.../idUKN24310608 , http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...tery_illness_2, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042304116.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...ico090424.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...C5g&refer=home From CIDRAP http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...9swineflu.html and CDC http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/investigation.htm

The conspiracy is the cover up.

This happens all the time.
When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with a lot of easily-disproved false claims.

A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

Kernel

King Mob wrote: »

Except it's not bird flu at all. And there are only 7 cases in the US. And is on the other side of the country than what was "predicted."
Not exactly a pandemic.

And if it was the governments intent to let this spread why is the CDC issuing warnings?

Good Lord, this response and logic is laughably biased in favour of the offishul story. Sure, the CDC issued a warning, so it couldn't be a bio weapon..... Ever read into the AIDS virus and the timeline of it's development King Mob?

nodolan

81 dead in Mexico.

Dozens infected in Kansas, California and Texas.

Ten NZ school kids infected.

Kids in NYC infected.

Interesting thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055547896

blackgold>>

How strange is this? Coincidence?

Obama’s Visit

The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn’t confirm if Solis had swine flu or not.



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide

Maybe Obama might be getting flu symptoms in the next few days .

King Mob

Kernel wrote: »

Good Lord, this response and logic is laughably biased in favour of the offishul story. Sure, the CDC issued a warning, so it couldn't be a bio weapon..... Ever read into the AIDS virus and the timeline of it's development King Mob?

Oh cool you have evidence that this is a bioweapon then?

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

Good Lord, this response and logic is laughably biased in favour of the offishul story. Sure, the CDC issued a warning, so it couldn't be a bio weapon..... Ever read into the AIDS virus and the timeline of it's development King Mob?

So before the huge drug companies existed, the ones responsible for the these pandemics and poisoned vaccines, hardly anyone died from these diseases, right? Hardly anyone, right? I must have imagined reading about the many millions who died from these diseases in the past.

Since then how many people typically die from one of these outbreaks, hmm a few thousand?

Well that sorts if for me the drug companies are poisoning us all, proof positive. :rolleyes:

nodolan

meglome wrote: »

So before the huge drug companies existed, the ones responsible for the these pandemics and poisoned vaccines, hardly anyone died from these diseases, right? Hardly anyone, right? I must have imagined reading about the many millions who died from these diseases in the past.

Since then how many people typically die from one of these outbreaks, hmm a few thousand?

Well that sorts if for me the drug companies are poisoning us all, proof positive. :rolleyes:

Interesting argument and looks solid at first glance but falls down when you take a closer look. Ever since the discovery/invention of antibiotics and more advanced medical procedures fewer and fewer people have died from flu and what not. Hardly anyone ever dies from the plague any more yet that killed millions way back when. TB was eradicated here in Ireland and Smallpox was eradicated worldwide. The arrival of a variant strain of flu is not a big issue but what is a big issue is the arrival of a strain of flu that seems to be made of three completely different strains. There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).

:P

GhostInTheRuins

nodolan wrote: »

Interesting argument and looks solid at first glance but falls down when you take a closer look. Ever since the discovery/invention of antibiotics and more advanced medical procedures fewer and fewer people have died from flu and what not. Hardly anyone ever dies from the plague any more yet that killed millions way back when. TB was eradicated here in Ireland and Smallpox was eradicated worldwide. The arrival of a variant strain of flu is not a big issue but what is a big issue is the arrival of a strain of flu that seems to be made of three completely different strains. There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).

:P

I'm sorry but looking at your signature I can't help but feel you have a bias against the pharmaceutical industry.

King Mob

nodolan wrote: »

There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).
:P

You going to show this evidence then?

Wertz

Sorry to barge in but assuming this is a controlled release by [whoever], what is the perceived aim of such a move?
Drug companies manafacturing and marketing treatment and vaccines?
An attempt at eugenics (kill off the plebs).
A means with which to hide an even bigger and more fiendish conspiracy?
An antidote to the world economic collapse or a means to let the whole thing fully collapse and blame it on stresses on the system caused by global panic.
An all out biological attack by forces unknown?

Interesting thread if only for the dates posted....although there was a piece about the flu thing in MX early last week on BBC's world service (but I heard nothing of it again until friday night)...

J_Kerr

Is the SARs virus gone or what? I thought that was going to kill us.

nodolan

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

I'm sorry but looking at your signature I can't help but feel you have a bias against the pharmaceutical industry.

LOL of course I have and I'm not ashamed or embarrassed to say so.

@ King Mob - the evidence is out there for you to find for yourself. Why should I spoon feed it to you? Stop being so lazy and look for it yourself and educate yourself.

To get you started though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

and:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/07/15/MN193825.DTL

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2830.shtml

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/25/MNGL7CDSFG1.DTL

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=30637425&blogId=130814984

Movie? The Constant Gardener.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn9.htm

http://www.sv40cancer.com/

http://www.allianceofnaturalhealthsuppliers.com/Articles_2005/September/ANHS_THE_CONSTANT_GARDENER_September_19_2005_EC.html

Are Vaccines Causing More Disease Than They Are Curing?

Origins of HIV may be linked to vaccine trials:
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346214

http://www.akha.org/content/medicaldocuments/tetanustoxoidtampered.html

http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/vcdvaccineslacedwithbirthcontrol.shtml

A Vaccine Against Pregnancy?

http://www.fwhc.org/health/vaccine.htm

http://www.popline.org/docs/1064/095186.html

The polio vaccine, AIDS, and their US-made viruses

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2830.shtml

The Forty Year Legacy Of Tainted Polio Vaccine

http://www.rense.com/health/salk.htm

Though I'm sure what you'll do now is look for the most off-side link(s) that I just gave you and hype that up rather than actually do some serious research. :rolleyes:

edit: I have a theory that doesn't involve big pharma and conspiracies - I believe that with the melting ice caps we may see 'ancient' virii being released that our ancestors overcame over time but resistance to which we may have lost over more time. How's that for a left-fielder?

GhostInTheRuins

nodolan wrote: »

LOL of course I have and I'm not ashamed or embarrassed to say so.

I never said you should be ashamed or embarrassed to say so, just pointing out that you could have a conflict of interests seeing as you're promoting an alternative health website.

King Mob

nodolan wrote: »

@ King Mob - the evidence is out there for you to find for yourself. Why should I spoon feed it to you? Stop being so lazy and look for it yourself and educate yourself.

Maybe because you made the claim.

nodolan wrote: »

To get you started though:



Though I'm sure what you'll do now is look for the most off-side link(s) that I just gave you and hype that up rather than actually do some serious research. :rolleyes:

So nothing from anything that isn't embedded against vaccines then?
How do you know they aren't lying to you?

Sofa_King Good

where can I sign up and get my shots and my tags?

thecommander

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

where can I sign up and get my shots and my tags?

And RFID chip.

King Mob

But lets look at some of this in closer detail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/25/MNGL7CDSFG1.DTL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/07/15/MN193825.DTL

In both of these cases it wasn't the vaccine itself but the contaminant.
And both were in the sixties.

In the first one it was shown that the company was at fault.

The second one says.

But scientists at the National Cancer Institute say their studies show almost no SV40 in human tumors and no cancer increase in people who received the contaminated vaccine.

"No one would dispute there's been a widespread, very scary exposure to the population of potentially cancer-causing virus," said Dr. Howard Strickler, NCI's chief investigator. "But none of our studies and other major analyses have shown an inkling of an effect on the population."

And neither show a scrap of evidence that the government ordered either of them.

nodolan

King Mob wrote: »

So nothing from anything that isn't embedded against vaccines then?
How do you know they aren't lying to you?

If you can't see the irrationality and lack of logical thinking displayed there I really don't have any more to say to you.

King Mob

nodolan wrote: »

If you can't see the irrationality and lack of logical thinking displayed there I really don't have any more to say to you.

You mean asking for someone to back up their claims with verifiable evidence from a neutral, reliable source is lacking in logic and irrational?

Right....

nodolan

King Mob wrote: »

You mean asking for someone to back up their claims with verifiable evidence from a neutral, reliable source is lacking in logic and irrational?

Right....

You really believe that there's such a source?

You believe government agencies? Big pharma backed studies?

Wow!! You're dumber than I had originally thought.

King Mob

nodolan wrote: »

You really believe that there's such a source?

You believe government agencies? Big pharma backed studies?

Wow!! You're dumber than I had originally thought.

No I believe peer reviewed papers.

How do you know that big pharma back and control every single study?

Do you believe the people selling alternative medicine without question?

Sofa_King Good

Bush Minor suggested that an outbreak would justify the implementation of martial law.


By the way, Spanish flu as mentioned by Bush has nothing to do with Spain, it was caused by the forced vaccinations of US military men, some of whom dropped dead immediatedely after recieving the vaccination.

BUSH: And who best to be able to effect a quarantine?
One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move. So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have.
I noticed the other day, evidently, some governors didn't like it. I understand that. I was the commander in chief of the National Guard and proudly so. And, frankly, I didn't want the president telling me how to be the commander in chief of the Texas Guard.
But Congress needs to take a look at circumstances that may need to vest the capacity of the president to move beyond that debate. And one such catastrophe or one such challenge could be an avian flu outbreak.

meglome

nodolan wrote: »

Interesting argument and looks solid at first glance but falls down when you take a closer look. Ever since the discovery/invention of antibiotics and more advanced medical procedures fewer and fewer people have died from flu and what not. Hardly anyone ever dies from the plague any more yet that killed millions way back when. TB was eradicated here in Ireland and Smallpox was eradicated worldwide. The arrival of a variant strain of flu is not a big issue but what is a big issue is the arrival of a strain of flu that seems to be made of three completely different strains.

Ah so simple antibiotics would have stopped all these diseases that killed millions. We wouldn't need any specific medication at all. Pity that isn't true.

nodolan wrote: »

There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).

Lot's of evidence eh. What you'll supply no doubt. Not saying it couldn't happen. But I'd rather put my faith in tested science that hearsay.

nodolan wrote: »

But in all fairness tallaght01 you're 100% biased. You've been through a system of education that has indoctrinated you to believe certain things and the fact that you went to med school in the first place could be taken as an indicator of your socio-economic status which in turn would say a lot as to your disposition towards such threads as these.

Coming from a guy promoting an alternative health website. What is it about people in here and their lack of understanding irony.

King Mob

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

By the way, Spanish flu as mentioned by Bush has nothing to do with Spain, it was caused by the forced vaccinations of US military men, some of whom dropped dead immediatedely after recieving the vaccination.

What actually happened was Bush give them super serum turning them all into supersoldiers. And to cover up this they spread the rumour these soldiers were dead.

Bet I have more evidence than you.

nodolan

King Mob wrote: »

No I believe peer reviewed papers.

How do you know that big pharma back and control every single study?

Do you believe the people selling alternative medicine without question?

Ya see this is where your dishonesty shines through - I never said 'every single study' - you're inflating the issue and trying to make dramatic sweeping statements regarding what I've said in an attempt to detract from it (and to detract from your own inability to present a solid rebuff) - just like meglome who obviously hasn't bothered reading the whole thread and just throws in what he thinks will be suitably sarcastic and caustic statements in the hope that he'll look tough and get away with being ignorant.

I've already posted in another thread that I have done years of research (almost 20 years) into alternative medicines and supplements. Recently I did some research into dental implants. When I approached one medical company a highly qualified dental surgeon lied point blank to me about certain types of implants. I was able to quote peer reviewed papers to contradict him and obviously won't be availing of his services.

I have a 3rd level diploma in Satellite, GPS and GSM Comms, an honours degree in Computer Science, a 1st Class H.Dip. in Sociology and I'm doing an MA in Sociology. Next I'll be studying for the bar. I happen to be a big supporter of science and technology but I don't believe every word they say - I don't believe anyone without doing my own research.

As for peer reviewed papers - even they have been found to be flawed. I'm not going to give you examples - do your own research and educate yourself (like I've done).

King Mob

nodolan wrote: »

Ya see this is where your dishonesty shines through - I never said 'every single study' - you're inflating the issue and trying to make dramatic sweeping statements regarding what I've said in an attempt to detract from it (and to detract from your own inability to present a solid rebuff).

I've already posted in another thread that I have done years of research (almost 20 years) into alternative medicines and supplements. Recently I did some research into dental implants. When I approached one medical company a highly qualified dental surgeon lied point blank to me about certain types of implants. I was able to quote peer reviewed papers to contradict him and obviously won't be availing of his services.

I have a 3rd level diploma in Satellite, GPS and GSM Comms, an honours degree in Computer Science, a 1st Class H.Dip. in Sociology and I'm doing an MA in Sociology. Next I'll be studying for the bar. I happen to be a big supporter of science and technology but I don't believe every word they say - I don't believe anyone without doing my own research.

As for peer reviewed papers - even they have been found to be flawed. I'm not going to give you examples - do your own research and educate yourself (like I've done).

Wow anecdotes and evidence you can't show!
Convincing.

So how do you know that all this anti vaccination stuff is true?
Do you just believe everything people tell you as long as it's a conspiracy?

nodolan

King Mob wrote: »

Wow anecdotes and evidence you can't show!
Convincing.

So how do you know that all this anti vaccination stuff is true?
DO you just believe everything people tell you as long as it's a conspiracy?

Now you're just repeating yourself ad nauseum and adding a sprinkling of sarcasm (or attempting to anyway) so I really will cease replying to you and anyone else who has nothing concrete to say otherwise it's just an exercise in reductio ad absurdum.

King Mob

nodolan wrote: »

Now you're just repeating yourself ad nauseum and adding a sprinkling of sarcasm (or attempting to anyway) so I really will cease replying to you and anyone else who has nothing concrete to say otherwise it's just an exercise in reductio ad absurdum.

Oh hey you know what'd be an actual rebuff to my arguments?
Backing you your claim with verifiable evidence.

But why answer anyone who questions you, right?