Hybrid Bird Flu about to be released?

Veni Vedi Vici

I've stumbled across the following video online that claim the following so far as I understood:

• The Bird Flu is about to be released on the US public.
• It is currently being transported by the Dept of Homeland Security using trucks from silos.
• New York State Police, FBI and Infections Control & Disease have been given a reports by one these Spanish truck drivers.
• He and his family have been innoculated. He his paid $5000 dollars per load at three loads per day and is paid in cash. He only loads at night (3am). He has since been relocated from his original course.
• The claimant has stated that the stock is refrigerated and has suggested that these may be antigens or antibodes.
• The claimant will not reveal who or what her sources are (:rolleyes: ffs).
• New York State Police can be quoted as refusing to investigate this.
• Retired State Troopers are escorting these loads and are being paid up to three times their salary.
• A retired three star African American general in Albany is one of the front men. Bank of America and Eastern Connection are also involved.
• The general was told that if he was good to the government then they would be good to him and promised to relocate him his family to a safehouse in Sandypoint, Maryland with other goverment officials.
• A trucker has been directed to subteranean silos in New York delivering 90 boxes of clear liquid onto a C130 (military transport with attachment for spraying chemical and/or frequency weapons). These are specifically refrigerated.
• Up to 30 miles of track and train carriers (e.g. New York State Thruway) exists in all states of the US.
• Carriers have been prepositioned on the spare side tracks for dead bodies.
• A Pakistani Diplomat has left the Albany area, took his kid out school half way through the year, has now left the US and has alledgedly told the claimant that "the US is no more".

I'm not too sure what to make of all this. Fear mongering or warranted concern? Here's the video:

Mahatma coat

how does this tie in with the 'accident' in europe a few months ago?

Mahatma coat

dont suppose any of our posters live in Albany NY??

would be interesting to actualy prove/disprove shennanigans in 'secret' military bases

Diogenes

Veni Vedi Vici wrote: »

I've stumbled across the following video online that claim the following so far as I understood:

• The Bird Flu is about to be released on the US public.
• It is currently being transported by the Dept of Homeland Security using trucks from silos.
• New York State Police, FBI and Infections Control & Disease have been given a reports by one these Spanish truck drivers.
• He and his family have been innoculated. He his paid $5000 dollars per load at three loads per day and is paid in cash. He only loads at night (3am). He has since been relocated from his original course.
• The claimant has stated that the stock is refrigerated and has suggested that these may be antigens or antibodes.
• The claimant will not reveal who or what her sources are (:rolleyes: ffs).
• New York State Police can be quoted as refusing to investigate this.
• Retired State Troopers are escorting these loads and are being paid up to three times their salary.
• A retired three star African American general in Albany is one of the front men. Bank of America and Eastern Connection are also involved.
• The general was told that if he was good to the government then they would be good to him and promised to relocate him his family to a safehouse in Sandypoint, Maryland with other goverment officials.
• A trucker has been directed to subteranean silos in New York delivering 90 boxes of clear liquid onto a C130 (military transport with attachment for spraying chemical and/or frequency weapons). These are specifically refrigerated.
• Up to 30 miles of track and train carriers (e.g. New York State Thruway) exists in all states of the US.
• Carriers have been prepositioned on the spare side tracks for dead bodies.
• A Pakistani Diplomat has left the Albany area, took his kid out school half way through the year, has now left the US and has alledgedly told the claimant that "the US is no more".

I'm not too sure what to make of all this. Fear mongering or warranted concern? Here's the video:

I'll give you a clue, if people aren't dying within the next four months, its probably bull****.

bonkey

Hmm.

A google on the terms "hybrid bird flu" gave this page as result 4. Result 1 was also a bbs linking to this video. Result 2 was a video-site, linking to this video.

I'll go with it being a candidate for BlueLagoon's "conspiracy of conspiracies" for now.

GhostInTheRuins

Mahatma coat wrote: »

how does this tie in with the 'accident' in europe a few months ago?

What accident?

Mahatma coat

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/misc.survivalism/2009-03/msg00465.html

there ya go, jaysus its amazin how quickly people forget about these sorts of things

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/misc.survivalism/2009-03/msg00465.html

there ya go, jaysus its amazin how quickly people forget about these sorts of things

Some quotes for you

"At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and
occupational risk is minimal at present," medical officer Roberta
Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.

"And we have no evidence of any increased transmissibility of the viruses
that were involved in the experiment with the ferrets in the Czech
Republic."

Theres a very good book called "the hot zone" an examination of a Ebola outbreak in a monkey house in Washington DC, in this instance both the US Army Veterinarian Lab and the CDC displayed awful judgement and regrettably poor procedural practices (in one instance US army staff after spending the day dealing with dead and dying infected monkeys walked into a local McDonalds without going through disinfection.

Mahatma coat wrote:

would be interesting to actualy prove/disprove shennanigans in 'secret' military bases


how does this tie in with the 'accident' in europe a few months ago?

MC do you know Hanlon's law?

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity".

Calling this an "accident" (adding the quotation marks means, I assume, that you are suspicious that this was an accident) before you are sure it's a genuine accident, is just pure paranoia.

uncle_sam_ie

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055505569&page=2

"I don't believe this was a screwup. These guys operate at Bio Safety Level (BSL) 3 Plus.. Which is in between BSL 3 and 4, with 4 being the highest level of safety required. BSL 3 is for dangers like SARS and Anthrax and BSL 4 is for the infamous Ebola Virus and Lassa Fever.. The influenza virus is dealt with at BSL 2, how on earth did they accidentally take not just one but TWO BSL 3 Plus LIVE VIRUS's, both separately stored and clearly marked out of the secure holding that it would be in, in a BSL 3 Plus lab and put it in a BSL 2 lab not knowing what it was and mix it with a vaccine?"

espinolman

Veni Vedi Vici wrote: »

I'm not too sure what to make of all this. Fear mongering or warranted concern? Here's the video:

Why has this video not being deleted ? If this is for real then why would they let it get out ? I think it is fake . Here is a clue - 24 .
Although was'nt there a television series that had a programme about a plane being flown into the twin towers in the late nineties ? You just never know !

bonkey

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055505569&page=2

"I don't believe this was a screwup. These guys operate at Bio Safety Level (BSL) 3 Plus.. Which is in between BSL 3 and 4, with 4 being the highest level of safety required. BSL 3 is for dangers like SARS and Anthrax and BSL 4 is for the infamous Ebola Virus and Lassa Fever.. The influenza virus is dealt with at BSL 2, how on earth did they accidentally take not just one but TWO BSL 3 Plus LIVE VIRUS's, both separately stored and clearly marked out of the secure holding that it would be in, in a BSL 3 Plus lab and put it in a BSL 2 lab not knowing what it was and mix it with a vaccine?"

And yet, in teh post immediately prior to yours, Diogenes mentions a book where procedures investigating Ebola were completely and totally c0cked up.

That's BSL4, by the info you give - the highest rating there is.

If you can have such a momumental screwup at BSL4, its a bit strange to insist that it can't happen at lower levels, don't you think?

Kernel

bonkey wrote: »

Hmm.

A google on the terms "hybrid bird flu" gave this page as result 4. Result 1 was also a bbs linking to this video. Result 2 was a video-site, linking to this video.

I'll go with it being a candidate for BlueLagoon's "conspiracy of conspiracies" for now.

The story is doing the rounds on abovetopsecret.com as well. Which is the most popular conspiracy website there is, you probably wouldn't like it though bonkey.

uncle_sam_ie

So it begins. http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKN24310608 , http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090423/national/mexico_mystery_illness_2, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042304116.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/health-flu-mexico090424.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=a7MNonvi.C5g&refer=home From CIDRAP http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/apr2309swineflu.html and CDC http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/investigation.htm

FX Meister

Sounds just like a crazy lady calling a radio station. Do you really think if the US were doing something like this they woulg hire some dumbass spanish driver? His pay slip has delivery address on it? And if this wasn't bad enough the last line is an adaptation of a classic urban myth. America is full of conspiracy of nutjobs, why even waste time discussing crap like this? The guy at the end thinks he's gonna get gassed and burned in an oven. Straight up crazy. There's plenty of actual things the governments are doing behind our backs that would be better looked at.

uncle_sam_ie

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

So it begins. http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKN24310608 , http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090423/national/mexico_mystery_illness_2, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042304116.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/health-flu-mexico090424.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=a7MNonvi.C5g&refer=home From CIDRAP http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/apr2309swineflu.html and CDC http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/investigation.htm

Except it's not bird flu at all. And there are only 7 cases in the US. And is on the other side of the country than what was "predicted."
Not exactly a pandemic.

And if it was the governments intent to let this spread why is the CDC issuing warnings?

mysterious

Bird flu is just another way create fear, panick and control.

Shakes head....

mysterious

mysterious wrote: »

Bird flu is just another way create fear, panick and control.

Shakes head....

Except this isn't bird flu. And no ones panicking.

Highsider

That's not bird flu

Sofa_King Good

King Mob wrote: »

Except it's not bird flu at all. And there are only 7 cases in the US. And is on the other side of the country than what was "predicted."
Not exactly a pandemic.

If anyone doesn't know avian basically means bird(s).

It first looked mostly like a swine virus but closer analysis showed it is a never-before-seen mixture of swine, human and avian viruses.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_flu;_ylt=Avk32xQXYiB3hKwaKQVeRp4XIr0F;_ylu=X3oDMTI5YW9rZTNlBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkwNDI0L3VzX2ZsdQRjcG9zAzMEcG9zAzMEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNuZXdkZWFkbHlzd2k-

Sofa_King Good

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

If anyone doesn't know avian basically means bird(s).


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_flu;_ylt=Avk32xQXYiB3hKwaKQVeRp4XIr0F;_ylu=X3oDMTI5YW9rZTNlBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkwNDI0L3VzX2ZsdQRjcG9zAzMEcG9zAzMEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNuZXdkZWFkbHlzd2k-

Yes it's not bird flu.

It's also spreading through pigs.

And there's only 7 cases in the US.

So not an epidemic.

And if it's the governments intent to lets this spread why is the CDC issuing warnings.

Sofa_King Good

King Mob wrote: »

Yes it's not bird flu.

It's also spreading through pigs.

And there's only 7 cases in the US.

So not an epidemic.

And if it's the governments intent to lets this spread why is the CDC issuing warnings.

from the same article

With the swine flu being passed between people, raising fears of a major outbreak in North America,

So then why is the CDC issuing warnings?

Cause there no possible way this could be naturally occurring.

Sofa_King Good

Diogenes wrote: »

I'll give you a clue, if people aren't dying within the next four months, its probably bull****.

So? how is less than 4 weeks?

Sofa_King Good

King Mob wrote: »

So then why is the CDC issuing warnings?

because maybe they are playing the game.

Cause there no possible way this could be naturally occurring.

didn't say that, but

"it is a never-before-seen mixture of swine, human and avian viruses."

perfectly describes a "hybrid bird-flu" right or wrong?

Sofa_King Good

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

So? how is less than 4 weeks?

How about the other side of the country and not the same virus?

Sofa_King Good

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

didn't say that, but

"it is a never-before-seen mixture of swine, human and avian viruses."

perfectly describes a "hybrid bird-flu" right or wrong?

I don't know. Is it?
Define a hybrid virus.

Oh and look.

The World Health Organization thinks the virus may be behind 60 deaths in Mexico since mid-March.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8016909.stm

Sofa_King Good

King Mob wrote: »

Oh and look.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8016909.stm

"thinks" & "may" that's not very Mob like now is it?

Sofa_King Good

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

"thinks" & "may" that's not very Mob like now is it?

So lets see.
It's not the same virus.
It wasn't released in the north east.
And it may have been around for a month before this "prediction."

So anything to back up the idea that it is released by the government?

Why is the CDC issuing warning if they want it to spread?

Purple Gorilla

The flu? Mutating?


..because its never done that before

Purple Gorilla

Purple Gorilla wrote: »

The flu? Mutating?


..because its never done that before

Nope and certainly never killed anyone unless the government releases it either.

Woger

Purple Gorilla wrote: »

The flu? Mutating?


..because its never done that before

You're right, that would ake them a mutant which is only real in comic books.

the_syco

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/15517355/?view=Standard
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/eyauidkfgbgb/
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/north-america/concern-over-57-flulike-deaths-in-mexico-1719639.html

Health officials said today that they are concerned about a flu-like disease that has killed 57 people in Mexico, and that the outbreak could be linked to a new type of flu infecting people in the US.

Meh.

blackgold>>

So it begins. http://uk.reuters.com/article/latest.../idUKN24310608 , http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...tery_illness_2, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042304116.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...ico090424.html http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...C5g&refer=home From CIDRAP http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...9swineflu.html and CDC http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/investigation.htm

The conspiracy is the cover up.

This happens all the time.
When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with a lot of easily-disproved false claims.

A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

Kernel

King Mob wrote: »

Except it's not bird flu at all. And there are only 7 cases in the US. And is on the other side of the country than what was "predicted."
Not exactly a pandemic.

And if it was the governments intent to let this spread why is the CDC issuing warnings?

Good Lord, this response and logic is laughably biased in favour of the offishul story. Sure, the CDC issued a warning, so it couldn't be a bio weapon..... Ever read into the AIDS virus and the timeline of it's development King Mob?

nodolan

81 dead in Mexico.

Dozens infected in Kansas, California and Texas.

Ten NZ school kids infected.

Kids in NYC infected.

Interesting thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055547896

blackgold>>

How strange is this? Coincidence?

Obama’s Visit

The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn’t confirm if Solis had swine flu or not.



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide

Maybe Obama might be getting flu symptoms in the next few days .

Kernel

Kernel wrote: »

Good Lord, this response and logic is laughably biased in favour of the offishul story. Sure, the CDC issued a warning, so it couldn't be a bio weapon..... Ever read into the AIDS virus and the timeline of it's development King Mob?

Oh cool you have evidence that this is a bioweapon then?

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

Good Lord, this response and logic is laughably biased in favour of the offishul story. Sure, the CDC issued a warning, so it couldn't be a bio weapon..... Ever read into the AIDS virus and the timeline of it's development King Mob?

So before the huge drug companies existed, the ones responsible for the these pandemics and poisoned vaccines, hardly anyone died from these diseases, right? Hardly anyone, right? I must have imagined reading about the many millions who died from these diseases in the past.

Since then how many people typically die from one of these outbreaks, hmm a few thousand?

Well that sorts if for me the drug companies are poisoning us all, proof positive. :rolleyes:

nodolan

meglome wrote: »

So before the huge drug companies existed, the ones responsible for the these pandemics and poisoned vaccines, hardly anyone died from these diseases, right? Hardly anyone, right? I must have imagined reading about the many millions who died from these diseases in the past.

Since then how many people typically die from one of these outbreaks, hmm a few thousand?

Well that sorts if for me the drug companies are poisoning us all, proof positive. :rolleyes:

Interesting argument and looks solid at first glance but falls down when you take a closer look. Ever since the discovery/invention of antibiotics and more advanced medical procedures fewer and fewer people have died from flu and what not. Hardly anyone ever dies from the plague any more yet that killed millions way back when. TB was eradicated here in Ireland and Smallpox was eradicated worldwide. The arrival of a variant strain of flu is not a big issue but what is a big issue is the arrival of a strain of flu that seems to be made of three completely different strains. There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).

:P

GhostInTheRuins

nodolan wrote: »

Interesting argument and looks solid at first glance but falls down when you take a closer look. Ever since the discovery/invention of antibiotics and more advanced medical procedures fewer and fewer people have died from flu and what not. Hardly anyone ever dies from the plague any more yet that killed millions way back when. TB was eradicated here in Ireland and Smallpox was eradicated worldwide. The arrival of a variant strain of flu is not a big issue but what is a big issue is the arrival of a strain of flu that seems to be made of three completely different strains. There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).

:P

I'm sorry but looking at your signature I can't help but feel you have a bias against the pharmaceutical industry.

nodolan

nodolan wrote: »

There is a lot of evidence to show that big pharma have on numerous occasions deliberately released new and/or mutated virii into the wild for their own profit-making ends - polio vaccines being the biggest and most public example (they even made movies about some of the bigger incidents).
:P

You going to show this evidence then?

Wertz

Sorry to barge in but assuming this is a controlled release by [whoever], what is the perceived aim of such a move?
Drug companies manafacturing and marketing treatment and vaccines?
An attempt at eugenics (kill off the plebs).
A means with which to hide an even bigger and more fiendish conspiracy?
An antidote to the world economic collapse or a means to let the whole thing fully collapse and blame it on stresses on the system caused by global panic.
An all out biological attack by forces unknown?

Interesting thread if only for the dates posted....although there was a piece about the flu thing in MX early last week on BBC's world service (but I heard nothing of it again until friday night)...

J_Kerr

Is the SARs virus gone or what? I thought that was going to kill us.

nodolan

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

I'm sorry but looking at your signature I can't help but feel you have a bias against the pharmaceutical industry.

LOL of course I have and I'm not ashamed or embarrassed to say so.

@ King Mob - the evidence is out there for you to find for yourself. Why should I spoon feed it to you? Stop being so lazy and look for it yourself and educate yourself.

To get you started though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

and:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/07/15/MN193825.DTL

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2830.shtml

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/25/MNGL7CDSFG1.DTL

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=30637425&blogId=130814984

Movie? The Constant Gardener.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn9.htm

http://www.sv40cancer.com/

http://www.allianceofnaturalhealthsuppliers.com/Articles_2005/September/ANHS_THE_CONSTANT_GARDENER_September_19_2005_EC.html

Are Vaccines Causing More Disease Than They Are Curing?

Origins of HIV may be linked to vaccine trials:
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12346214

http://www.akha.org/content/medicaldocuments/tetanustoxoidtampered.html

http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/vcdvaccineslacedwithbirthcontrol.shtml

A Vaccine Against Pregnancy?

http://www.fwhc.org/health/vaccine.htm

http://www.popline.org/docs/1064/095186.html

The polio vaccine, AIDS, and their US-made viruses

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2830.shtml

The Forty Year Legacy Of Tainted Polio Vaccine

http://www.rense.com/health/salk.htm

Though I'm sure what you'll do now is look for the most off-side link(s) that I just gave you and hype that up rather than actually do some serious research. :rolleyes:

edit: I have a theory that doesn't involve big pharma and conspiracies - I believe that with the melting ice caps we may see 'ancient' virii being released that our ancestors overcame over time but resistance to which we may have lost over more time. How's that for a left-fielder?

GhostInTheRuins

nodolan wrote: »

LOL of course I have and I'm not ashamed or embarrassed to say so.

I never said you should be ashamed or embarrassed to say so, just pointing out that you could have a conflict of interests seeing as you're promoting an alternative health website.

nodolan

nodolan wrote: »

@ King Mob - the evidence is out there for you to find for yourself. Why should I spoon feed it to you? Stop being so lazy and look for it yourself and educate yourself.

Maybe because you made the claim.

nodolan wrote: »

To get you started though:



Though I'm sure what you'll do now is look for the most off-side link(s) that I just gave you and hype that up rather than actually do some serious research. :rolleyes:

So nothing from anything that isn't embedded against vaccines then?
How do you know they aren't lying to you?

Sofa_King Good

where can I sign up and get my shots and my tags?

thecommander

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

where can I sign up and get my shots and my tags?

And RFID chip.

But lets look at some of this in closer detail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/25/MNGL7CDSFG1.DTL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/07/15/MN193825.DTL

In both of these cases it wasn't the vaccine itself but the contaminant.
And both were in the sixties.

In the first one it was shown that the company was at fault.

The second one says.

But scientists at the National Cancer Institute say their studies show almost no SV40 in human tumors and no cancer increase in people who received the contaminated vaccine.

"No one would dispute there's been a widespread, very scary exposure to the population of potentially cancer-causing virus," said Dr. Howard Strickler, NCI's chief investigator. "But none of our studies and other major analyses have shown an inkling of an effect on the population."

And neither show a scrap of evidence that the government ordered either of them.

nodolan

King Mob wrote: »

So nothing from anything that isn't embedded against vaccines then?
How do you know they aren't lying to you?

If you can't see the irrationality and lack of logical thinking displayed there I really don't have any more to say to you.