911 - Points to discuss

meglome

adrian280582 wrote: »

he was in sense if you read up and see these videos you know why he comes across without changing his theory on the situation and seems very creditable to me.

What's the overall gist of it?

And in all seriousness the guy was an overweight middle aged American who died 7 years after 911. Letting a guy who's a threat flap his mouth for seven years and then killing him him doesn't make any sense.

adrian280582 wrote: »

Like what and can you prove this please?

Well I'm going to guess it was full of stuff like any office building I ever worked in only bigger and more stuff. So you're talking anything from photocopiers, large interruptible power supplies, the janitors closet full of cleaning materials etc. I'd imagine with a bit of research we could come up with any number of things that could and would explode in a fire in a large 40 story building.

http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm

In this situation sounds of things exploding, within reason, would be perfectly normal. Sounds of controlled demolitions are very distinctive and there's really no evidence of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ

Mahatma coat

Meglome here is the video I was talkin about, its called SEPTEMBER CLUES, I bumped the original thread as well

the bit I'm interested in discussing here is about 3:20 into the video

the whole thing is a bit sketchy IMO but this is the specific point that I raised earlier on.

MacTee

6th wrote: »

Read the Charter at the top of the forum just to familiarize yourself with the rules of the forum. Branding people on here crazy could cause offense.

God forbid someone might be offended. I see this sites reputation for being a "nanny" board is well deserved. Don't think this is the place for me

C'YAH!

Nick_oliveri

Bye now.

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Meglome here is the video I was talkin about, its called SEPTEMBER CLUES, I bumped the original thread as well

the bit I'm interested in discussing here is about 3:20 into the video

the whole thing is a bit sketchy IMO but this is the specific point that I raised earlier on.

I watched that section. The quality of the video they are using is totally ****e. Using video of that quality to prove a discrepancy is pointless as the low quality is the first likely culprit for the discrepancy. And again it ignores this plane flew across a city so a lot of people saw it, the firemen standing with that French film crew getting their 'lucky shot' saw it.

Does it not seem odd to you they would fake an attack over this huge city in broad daylight? Would it not make much more sense to do this when it's getting dark to it is dark if you don't want to get found out?

What do you think?

happyoutish

Hi all,

I'm very interested in all this.. but to be honest prefer to read then post!!! I've spent hours reading all the posts..

I can't remember who posted this but it was a quote from someone in the Pentagon saying all they could see was a corpse still strapped to one of the plane seats... now i'm wondering (and please be nice to me!!) Wasn't the heat and the fire so big etc.. how the hell could a body survive??? Wouldn't it have just turned to dust??

Then i found this!!!

WARNING: - PHOTOS ARE GRAPHIC!!

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photoshumanremains.html

Any opinions on this???

I'm scared to think that this was an inside job but i'm starting to believe it was!!

J_Kerr

happyoutish wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm very interested in all this.. but to be honest prefer to read then post!!! I've spent hours reading all the posts..

I can't remember who posted this but it was a quote from someone in the Pentagon saying all they could see was a corpse still strapped to one of the plane seats... now i'm wondering (and please be nice to me!!) Wasn't the heat and the fire so big etc.. how the hell could a body survive??? Wouldn't it have just turned to dust??

Then i found this!!!

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photoshumanremains.html

Any opinions on this???

I'm scared to think that this was an inside job but i'm starting to believe it was!!

Strapped, belted. Seat belt?
If it as strapeed to a missile, then you'd be onto something.

Kernel

happyoutish wrote: »

I'm scared to think that this was an inside job but i'm starting to believe it was!!

The more you research the more you will believe. Try not to get bogged down debating the semantics and finer points with debunkers who will attempt to wear you down. The bigger picture of Operation Northwoods, Bush Administration, NWO (Rockefeller, Brzezinski & Kissinger) will guide you.

happyoutish

happyoutish wrote: »

Then i found this!!!

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photoshumanremains.html

Any opinions on this???

I'm scared to think that this was an inside job but i'm starting to believe it was!!

404 not found?

Gasps conspiracy.

Could you repost the link?

J_Kerr

Kernel wrote: »

The more you research the more you will believe. Try not to get bogged down debating the semantics and finer points with debunkers who will attempt to wear you down. The bigger picture of Operation Northwoods, Bush Administration, NWO (Rockefeller, Brzezinski & Kissinger) will guide you.

Don't forget Mossad, UFO's, missiles, thermite, explosives, plane load of passengers taken somewhere else.

happyoutish

King Mob wrote: »

404 not found?

Gasps conspiracy.

Could you repost the link?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/humanremains.html

happyoutish

happyoutish wrote: »

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/humanremains.html

Thanks but maybe it needs a warning. It's pretty gruesome.

happyoutish

King Mob wrote: »

Thanks but maybe it needs a warning. It's pretty gruesome.

God yeah your right!!! Sorry...

Kernel

J_Kerr wrote: »

Don't forget Mossad, UFO's, missiles, thermite, explosives, plane load of passengers taken somewhere else.

You're a troll, but I like your sense of humour.

J_Kerr

Kernel wrote: »

You're a troll, but I like your sense of humour.

Of course I'm a troll because I'm not a truther, poor me. All of the above are other "theories" about 9/11 I have heard. But they are stupid.

Kernel

J_Kerr wrote: »

Of course I'm a troll because I'm not a truther, poor me. All of the above are other "theories" about 9/11 I have heard. But they are stupid.

Nothing to do with not being a truther. Your posts speak for themselves new account.

J_Kerr

Kernel wrote: »

Nothing to do with not being a truther. Your posts speak for themselves new account.

New account, wow you really got to me. I live in deep shame having only discovered this website last week. It was this sorry excuse for a board that got me to sign up.

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

The more you research the more you will believe.

Funny I had the opposite experience.

Kernel wrote: »

Try not to get bogged down debating the semantics and finer points with debunkers who will attempt to wear you down.

Well in my book of logic all the fine details should always make up the bigger picture. There really can be no bigger picture without the fine details so either they match up or they don't. But in basically every debate with the CT'ers we end up back to the bigger picture because the fine details don't fit the CT. I wonder why that is? I mean imagine being bogged down in the details, I dunno like you would in a court of law, ridiculous.

Kernel wrote: »

The bigger picture of Operation Northwoods, Bush Administration, NWO (Rockefeller, Brzezinski & Kissinger) will guide you.

The devil is in the details. So I did become more and more suspicious but of the so called truth movement rather than the US government. Now don't get me wrong I didn't trust the US government to begin with but they are way less selective in their facts than the 'truth movement'. And that my friends is an extremely sad state of affairs.

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

The more you research the more you will believe. Try not to get bogged down debating the semantics and finer points with debunkers who will attempt to wear you down. The bigger picture of Operation Northwoods,.

No really explain how a military plan that was never implemented that didn't involve civilians, was rejected before even it reached the level of discussion by the joint chiefs, the person who dreamt up the scheme was fired, and this all occured in a democratic white house over half a century ago, is part of the "bigger picture".

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

No really explain how a military plan that was never implemented that didn't involve civilians, was rejected before even it reached the level of discussion by the joint chiefs, the person who dreamt up the scheme was fired, and this all occured in a democratic white house over half a century ago, is part of the "bigger picture".

Project for a New American Century. PNAC. That is all.

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

Project for a New American Century. PNAC. That is all.

No see you were talking about "Operation Northwoods" now you are shifting the goalposts to PNAC.

Lets look at the PNAC again

The start of the chapter you're getting all frothy at the mouth over is this

PNAC wrote:

"To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts, and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs. Information technologies,in particular, are becoming more prevalent and significant components of modern military systems. These information technologies are having the same kind of transforming effects on military affairs as they are having in the larger world. The effects of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence".

They're talking about the use of IT in the Department of Defence.

It goes on

"Absent a rigorous program of experimentation to investigate the nature of the revolution in military affairs as it applies to war at sea, the Navy might face a future Pearl Harbor – as unprepared for war in the post-carrier era as it was unprepared for war at the dawn of the carrier age".

Essentially they are saying we need to plan and experiment, otherwise america could be as caught unaware as they were in Pearl Harbor.

They're using Pearl Harbor as a reference point as it's possibly the most significant day in American Military history. It's an analogy.



So Kernel please explain how a military plan that never got off the drawing board 60 years ago and a document that urges investment in IT technology for the DoD are part of "the bigger picture".

mysterious

Inside job means, that the powers of be piloted and play a large part in the creation of this false flag operation.


I was in class just about to talk about something.

Bush sat in his class waiting.

I just cannot understand that people don't get it. The galaxy is teaming with life. Your been lied too to the pont, you are enslaved in this reality


War - face yourself
Hate - face yourself
Betrayel - face yourself
Greed - face yourself
Hunger in Africa face yourself
Genoicde - face yourself
9/11 - face yourself

The destruction of your planet, is in full view are you going to face yourself. Are you ashamed what is NOW happening to YOUR world.

Are you guilty?
Are you filled with apathy?
Are you fiileed with doubt
Are you filled with fear?
Are you filled with confusion.

If you are you need to RE EVALUATE YOUR WORLD. enough of this fighting over who created 9/11. I can be damn sure, that none of you will never know what happened and why it happened.

Look at the flags of Israel and Islam. Representation of the illuminati and stars. Stars as symbols represent other worlds. Therefore is giving us a clue to whos invovled in the current affairs of this planet.

OPEN YOUR EYES.
Star of David, Star/moon of ALlah


The division/deception causing wars between our race.

Look at this thread as your example.

Who did it.

meglome

mysterious wrote: »

Inside job means, that the powers of be piloted and play a large part in the creation of this false flag operation.


I was in class just about to talk about something.

Bush sat in his class waiting.

I just cannot understand that people don't get it. The galaxy is teaming with life. Your been lied too to the pont, you are enslaved in this reality


War - face yourself
Hate - face yourself
Betrayel - face yourself
Greed - face yourself
Hunger in Africa face yourself
Genoicde - face yourself
9/11 - face yourself

The destruction of your planet, is in full view are you going to face yourself. Are you ashamed what is NOW happening to YOUR world.

Are you guilty?
Are you filled with apathy?
Are you fiileed with doubt
Are you filled with fear?
Are you filled with confusion.

If you are you need to RE EVALUATE YOUR WORLD. enough of this fighting over who created 9/11. I can be damn sure, that none of you will never know what happened and why it happened.

Look at the flags of Israel and Islam. Representation of the illuminati and stars. Stars as symbols represent other worlds. Therefore is giving us a clue to whos invovled in the current affairs of this planet.

OPEN YOUR EYES.
Star of David, Star/moon of ALlah


The division/deception causing wars between our race.

Look at this thread as your example.

Who did it.

One concise salient point, go on I dare ya.

Mahatma coat

meglome wrote: »

I watched that section. The quality of the video they are using is totally ****e. Using video of that quality to prove a discrepancy is pointless as the low quality is the first likely culprit for the discrepancy.

Man youre just gettin lazy now, the original Docco had much clearer shots of what I am talkin about. and anyway even with low quality footage there is still the big discrepency of the 2 very different flight paths for what is apparently the same plane in the same point in the sky, so no your answer is not good enough[/quote]

And again it ignores this plane flew across a city so a lot of people saw it, the firemen standing with that French film crew getting their 'lucky shot' saw it.

all these people saw the plane. How many people actually saw a plane in the sky, and how many saw it on the telly?

Does it not seem odd to you they would fake an attack over this huge city in broad daylight? Would it not make much more sense to do this when it's getting dark to it is dark if you don't want to get found out?

What do you think?

hidden in plain view as the old saying goes.


Anyway we digress from my original qestion, how about we discuss the point I asked

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Man youre just gettin lazy now, the original Docco had much clearer shots of what I am talkin about. and anyway even with low quality footage there is still the big discrepency of the 2 very different flight paths for what is apparently the same plane in the same point in the sky, so no your answer is not good enough

Here's the thing, I've been looking at these videos for years, different ones. And using the word documentary on many of them is being extremely nice. They are utterly filled full of stuff that isn't true or is misrepresented. I'm really really sick of it. This from the same people who say we can't trust the mainstream media.

So if you want to show me a short video making a point or you want to direct me to a part of a video to watch specifically then I'll happily do it. But I'm not watching hour long videos any more. So please direct me to the part of the video you'd like me to watch.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

all these people saw the plane. How many people actually saw a plane in the sky, and how many saw it on the telly?

Good point but there are still a heap of people who saw a plane in the flesh so to speak.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

hidden in plain view as the old saying goes.

Again a reasonable concept. But we're talking about flying a plane over a city with perhaps 8 million people in it, in broad daylight. You'd expect that so many would see this plane it would be completely stupid to try anything.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Anyway we digress from my original qestion, how about we discuss the point I asked

Just direct me to where you want me to watch exactly.

Mahatma coat

thats the bit in the youtube that I want to discuss, I'm not sure where it is in the original video, but as I said in the other thread and was moved to the opinions thread, I'd really like people to watch the whole thing before launching into a discussion about it.

your repeated mantra of Ah shur itsw all the same and it annoys me how wrong these things are etc etc... that dosent wash with me. If you dont want to watch the docco thats fine, however you have no place in a discssion about it.

thats like some kid takin french as his European language at school for 5 years and then decidin to go sit the German Leavin cert exam for the laugh.

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

thats the bit in the youtube that I want to discuss, I'm not sure where it is in the original video, but as I said in the other thread and was moved to the opinions thread, I'd really like people to watch the whole thing before launching into a discussion about it.

your repeated mantra of Ah shur itsw all the same and it annoys me how wrong these things are etc etc... that dosent wash with me. If you dont want to watch the docco thats fine, however you have no place in a discssion about it.

thats like some kid takin french as his European language at school for 5 years and then decidin to go sit the German Leavin cert exam for the laugh.

Okay then I'll watch the ****ing video. Give me the link to the one you think I should watch. And seriously if this is what I think it is I'll be letting you know :mad:

Mahatma coat

Well Seriously I think you should watch loads of them

Zeitgeist
Terrorvision
the Power of Nightmares
The Money Masters
the Greatest story ever denied

theresa shedloads of good Doccos out there

However this is the one I am talkin about specificaly with these questions

SEPTEMBER CLUES (NEW) 911 video
http://blip.tv/file/1272900 part 1
http://blip.tv/file/1273564 part 2

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Well Seriously I think you should watch loads of them

Zeitgeist
Terrorvision
the Power of Nightmares
The Money Masters
the Greatest story ever denied

theresa shedloads of good Doccos out there

However this is the one I am talkin about specificaly with these questions

But that's the problem I have watched loads of them and most of them are full of it and you can take it that I don't mean full of useful factual info.

I'm gonna watch these videos and come back to you. Any specific area you'd like to talk about?

Diogenes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Well Seriously I think you should watch loads of them

Zeitgeist

the Power of Nightmares

How you can equate a poorly researched piece of crap like Zeitgeist with the work of Adam Curtis is beyond me.

Terrorvision

What the hell is terrorvision.

However this is the one I am talkin about specificaly with these questions

And the one question never asked in that inane september clues nonsense.

IT WAS BROAD DAYLIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PIECES OF REAL ESTATE IN THE WORLD!.

Seriously it would be like flying a missile over O'Connell St at 9am and then claiming it was a plane, only if there were 1.6 million people living and potentially watching two of THE MOST ICONIC BUILDINGS IN THE WORLD.