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911 - Points to discuss

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome



    Come on not the same thing at all. Like for like please.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So ignoring my points then?

    Yay for the truth!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Yes from the official reports stated in previous new york times, washington post and los angels times as well as coverage on this in Fox news before

    I'm not sure what you mean by an "official report stated in " newspapers. Official reports are official reports and are published as such, not in newspapers.

    Could you link to one of these?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    meglome wrote: »
    Come on not the same thing at all. Like for like please.

    Hang on second how many plane crashes have there been where a plane travels at a large speed and flies directly into building im talking major airliner here. Most either crash into water, woods even housing estates etc, not directly staright into building at top speed so its like trying to find needle in hay stack really

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    bonkey wrote: »
    I'm not sure what you mean by an "official report stated in " newspapers. Official reports are official reports and are published as such, not in newspapers.

    Could you link to one of these?

    Have it back home but it is also mentioned on one the vidoes posted on this thread already cant remember which one ill look it up later and come back to you no time now.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Hang on second how many plane crashes have there been where a plane travels at a large speed and flies directly into building im talking major airliner here. Most either crash into water, woods even housing estates etc, not directly staright into building at top speed so its like trying to find needle in hay stack really

    It doesn't need to be a building, just that it travelled at hight speed and hit something pretty solid very hard.

    Such as...

    sacramento_dc8_feb1602_1.jpg
    iranfocus_iran1.jpg

    And...
    floorplan_757traj.png

    Actually anyone who believes it wasn't a plane should read through all of this. (Click next in the top right to forward through).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    meglome wrote: »
    It doesn't need to be a building, just that it travelled at hight speed and hit something pretty solid very hard.

    Such as...

    sacramento_dc8_feb1602_1.jpg
    iranfocus_iran1.jpg

    And...
    floorplan_757traj.png

    Actually anyone who believes it wasn't a plane should read through all of this. (Click next in the top right to forward through).

    Yes but if we want to do comparision it needs to be of similar consequences.

    as for that research site it was there very yay or nay answers not really providing anything other then what we or dont already think.

    Also dint the wings folded as some eye witnesses suggested and now we are saying its 140 width of impact...Somebody is talking rubbish then

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So no one going to take a crack at my questions?
    Too hard?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Yes but if we want to do comparision it needs to be of similar consequences.

    A plane that crashes into anything very hard at speed covers that.
    as for that research site it was there very yay or nay answers not really providing anything other then what we or dont already think.

    It goes through every aspect of the crash and looks at it in detail. Many of the people behind this started off with the belief there was no plane but with the overwhelming evidence that it was plane they changed tack. Read it all and tell me how if wasn't a plane other than you just feel it wasn't, because there is no evidence it was anything other than a plane, none whatsoever, not even the teeniest little bit.
    Also dint the wings folded as some eye witnesses suggested and now we are saying its 140 width of impact...Somebody is talking rubbish then

    The wings impacted the front of the building which there is damage for contrary to what people say and then snapped back and went into the hole.

    hole_measure.jpg


    So I think it's only fair at this stage that you list all the evidence for your no-plane theory. List it all down and we'll we able to measure the two lists and see if we can move things along.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    meglome wrote: »
    A plane that crashes into anything very hard at speed covers that.



    It goes through every aspect of the crash and looks at it in detail. Many of the people behind this started off with the belief there was no plane but with the overwhelming evidence that it was plane they changed tack. Read it all and tell me how if wasn't a plane other than you just feel it wasn't, because there is no evidence it was anything other than a plane, none whatsoever, not even the teeniest little bit.



    The wings impacted the front of the building which there is damage for contrary to what people say and then snapped back and went into the hole.

    hole_measure.jpg


    So I think it's only fair at this stage that you list all the evidence for your no-plane theory. List it all down and we'll we able to measure the two lists and see if we can move things along.

    where did you get that picture of measurements because there not correct with others (not saying its incorrect though)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX01twhfUK4&feature=related even commission believe its missile:D:D:D

    pentagon_911_later.jpg

    where is there any sign of plane impacting in this photo

    Anyway
    (1) Radiation was found up to 12 miles away from the crash ,believed to be deplated uranium warhead which was totally ignored by bush administration
    (2)my german friends have shown me evidence that there officials were told by fbi agents that it was cruise missle. this of course was shattered but there still many people who ask for the answers to come from the states on this and they have refused

    these are two reasons in which i have clear word and researced i will explain others when i have have evidence to suggest it may not have been plane.


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    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,293 ✭✭✭rameire


    i believe it was a high speed battered sausage,

    i have no proof, and will never have any proof,
    nor will i agree to any proof you show because you will not be able to show me there is no proof that it wasnt a high speed sausage.

    i will then spread this theory around the world and people who wernt even there will then have the same theory and they will believe they saw the sausage.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    where did you get that picture of measurements because there not correct with others (not saying its incorrect though)

    The scale measurements look accurate compare to height of a fireman (anything from say 5-5 to 6-2) and the dimensions look to scale
    where is there any sign of plane impacting in this photo

    Anyway
    (1) Radiation was found up to 12 miles away from the crash

    Source please.
    ,believed to be deplated uranium warhead which was totally ignored by bush administration
    (2)my german friends have shown me evidence that there officials were told by fbi agents that it was cruise missle.

    A depleted uranium cruise missile?

    You do realise that thats not a weapon in the US arsenal?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Ammunition
    depleted uranium is in kinetic energy penetrators anti-armor rounds, such as the 120 mm sabot rounds fired from the M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams.[25] Kinetic energy penetrator rounds consist of a long, relatively thin penetrator surrounded by discarding sabot. Two materials lend themselves to penetrator construction: tungsten and depleted uranium, the latter in designated alloys known as staballoys. Staballoys are metal alloys of depleted uranium with a very small proportion of other metals, usually titanium or molybdenum. One formulation has a composition of 99.25 percent by mass of depleted uranium and 0.75 percent by mass of titanium. Staballoys are about twice as dense as lead and are designed for use in kinetic energy penetrator armor-piercing ammunition. The US Army uses DU in an alloy with around 3.5 percent titanium.

    Depleted uranium is used in kinetic ammo like shells not in cruise missiles.

    this of course was shattered but there still many people who ask for the answers to come from the states on this and they have refused

    these are two reasons in which i have clear word and researced i will explain others when i have have evidence to suggest it may not have been plane.


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    So basically your mates told you this so believe it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Diogenes wrote: »
    The scale measurements look accurate compare to height of a fireman (anything from say 5-5 to 6-2) and the dimensions look to scale



    Source please.



    A depleted uranium cruise missile?

    You do realise that thats not a weapon in the US arsenal?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Ammunition



    Depleted uranium is used in kinetic ammo like shells not in cruise missiles.




    So basically your mates told you this so believe it?

    In fact I did not notice that good spot by what I see I could easily put 2 fireman in the 18 feet scale with bit to spare so these boys must be huge.

    as for your source this covers something along the lines of it you get the jist first one i came across and not bothered to read it
    http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

    whats your point about the uranium? so what if its not on the US arsenal and in all fainress I would not read too much there not going to give away every flaming dam thing they have to you and me now are they?

    My mates, well one them happens to be senior top official undercover now working in middle east. He showed me the documents and the signed signatures of the officials at time. ( he is a whacko though im sure, ye dismiss it)

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    My mates, well one them happens to be senior top official undercover now working in middle east. He showed me the documents and the signed signatures of the officials at time. ( he is a whacko though im sure, ye dismiss it)

    Yeahhhhhhh okay.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Uranium Cruise missiles? That's just plain stupid.

    So still not gonna try answering my questions?
    Why aren't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    where did you get that picture of measurements because there not correct with others (not saying its incorrect though)

    If you read the link I posted it explains that the pictures used to measure the sizes on the CT sites are heavily smoke covered which this one isn't.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX01twhfUK4&feature=related even commission believe its missile:D:D:D

    He says missile plane which is exactly what is was, or a plane being used like a missile.
    pentagon_911_later.jpg

    where is there any sign of plane impacting in this photo

    The whole centre section have collapsed so it's hard to say and if it was just a missile making a small hole why would the front collapse?

    Okay let's look at this video for a moment. It's very much a propaganda peice but look at the damage to the bunker (let's not get into the fact lot's of people were killed as it irrelevant to what we're talking about). The bomb fired here went through ten feet of reinforced concrete and look at the neat (and fairly small) hole. About 29seconds in. At the pentagon the support columns were cut by something big impacting into them.



    interior_damage1.jpg
    Hmm these columns seem all bent in one direction like something impacted into them.
    Anyway
    (1) Radiation was found up to 12 miles away from the crash ,believed to be deplated uranium warhead which was totally ignored by bush administration

    Depleted uranium is used in armour piercing shells not missiles. Although I'd like to see the source for this 'story'. Plus the front of the Pentagon isn't 10 feet of concrete so you wouldn't need anything specifically bunker busting, just ram a big plane into it for example.
    (2)my german friends have shown me evidence that there officials were told by fbi agents that it was cruise missle. this of course was shattered but there still many people who ask for the answers to come from the states on this and they have refused.

    So we're back to the bigger picture? Of course someone might believe this if they ignore all the other evidence.
    these are two reasons in which i have clear word and researced i will explain others when i have have evidence to suggest it may not have been plane.

    Looking forward to it.


    Adrian I'm really want to believe you're not taking the weewee here because it seems so black and white to me with all the evidence. Even this stuff you've come up with completely ignores the evidence. I kinda had it in my mind you'd counter the evidence supplied. I can't help but feel you just don't want it to be a plane no matter what.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Okay Mysterious et al feel free to post your fine details as to why it's you believe 911 is a conspiracy. And fine details only please. Read though the stuff posted here already and explain where we went wrong, some kind of proof is necessary. We're told it's obviously a conspiracy so there should be loads of proof of it, right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Woger


    meglome wrote: »
    Okay Mysterious et al feel free to post your fine details as to why it's you believe 911 is a conspiracy. And fine details only please. Read though the stuff posted here already and explain where we went wrong, some kind of proof is necessary. We're told it's obviously a conspiracy so there should be loads of proof of it, right?

    Of course it was a conspiracy, 15 Saudi Arabians and 3 Egyptians conspired.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    meglome wrote: »
    Okay Mysterious et al feel free to post your fine details as to why it's you believe 911 is a conspiracy. And fine details only please. Read though the stuff posted here already and explain where we went wrong, some kind of proof is necessary. We're told it's obviously a conspiracy so there should be loads of proof of it, right?

    Why did they forget about Osama?

    Go...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Who says they have forgotten about him? Just because he doesnt get talked about in some speaches doesnt mean they've stopped looking. Could you back up why you believe they are no longer looking for him and support it with some evidence?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 MacTee


    Yikers forgot how crazy 9/11 heads could be. If it was all a conspiracy and the building was brought down by expolsives then why the very public spectacle with the planes? Why not just drive a lorry load of semtex into the basement and blow it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    MacTee wrote: »
    Yikers forgot how crazy 9/11 heads could be. If it was all a conspiracy and the building was brought down by expolsives then why the very public spectacle with the planes? Why not just drive a lorry load of semtex into the basement and blow it?

    Read the Charter at the top of the forum just to familiarize yourself with the rules of the forum. Branding people on here crazy could cause offense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    6th wrote: »
    Who says they have forgotten about him? Just because he doesnt get talked about in some speaches doesnt mean they've stopped looking. Could you back up why you believe they are no longer looking for him and support it with some evidence?

    Before I give evidence.

    I just want to simply say and really out loud

    They went for Saddam and not Osama. Saddam got. Yet in 3 terms, they are still looking for Osama.

    It's hilarious.


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    mysterious wrote: »
    Before I give evidence.

    I just want to simply say and really out loud

    They went for Saddam and not Osama. Saddam got. Yet in 3 terms, they are still looking for Osama.

    It's hilarious.

    Might have something to do with Saddam not being in hiding.

    Why not just give the evidence if you have it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    King Mob wrote: »
    Might have something to do with Saddam not being in hiding.

    Why not just give the evidence if you have it?

    This should be turned into the comedy forum, it's hilarious.

    I'll post evidence later, I have to go to work.

    But I'm sure, Saddam jumped out of his bunker, and waved a flag,
    I'M HERE I'M HERE, I'M HERE TAKE ME........

    Some reality we are all decepted by, Thank god I'm not.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    mysterious wrote: »
    This should be turned into the comedy forum, it's hilarious.

    I'll post evidence later, I have to go to work.

    But I'm sure, Saddam jumped out of his bunker, and waved a flag,
    I'M HERE I'M HERE, I'M HERE TAKE ME........

    Some reality we are all decepted by, Thank god I'm not.

    Yes mysterious that's exactly what I'm saying.

    I must be brainwashed. Why else would I disagree with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    mysterious wrote: »
    Why did they forget about Osama?

    Go...

    I'd safely say a man who openly admits being behind the deaths of thousands of Americans isn't forgotten. But that doesn't change the fact they can't find him. And forgive me put maybe you can explain how that shows a conspiracy? (Focus, you can do it)
    mysterious wrote: »
    This should be turned into the comedy forum, it's hilarious.

    I'll post evidence later, I have to go to work.

    But I'm sure, Saddam jumped out of his bunker, and waved a flag,
    I'M HERE I'M HERE, I'M HERE TAKE ME........

    Some reality we are all decepted by, Thank god I'm not.

    I have to be honest Mysterious if you can post a concise point, back it up with some relevant proof and then stick to that point I'll eat my own arse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    mysterious wrote: »
    Before I give evidence.

    I just want to simply say and really out loud

    They went for Saddam and not Osama. Saddam got. Yet in 3 terms, they are still looking for Osama.

    It's hilarious.

    Yeah Saddam was caught in the vaguely flat terrain of Iraq, with a vast majority of the population actively looking for him.

    Osama has one of the inhospitaly mountainous terrains in the world, thousands of kilometers, were vehicles cannot travel across them, a vast network of caves and underground complexes a tribal support that spreads across the border between Afghanistan and Pakistian, in regions where both governments have limited control.


    Your juvenile snickering displays your ignorance of the complexities of the situation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Diogenes wrote: »
    Your juvenile snickering displays your ignorance of the complexities of the situation.

    Attack the post not the poster.


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