M3 progress

Bog Butter

Hi, just wondering: Has the M3 construction been hit by recession? Will it be finished ahead of schedule?

CUCINA

AFAIK, it's still full steam ahead. I live in Dunshaughlin and I have been watching its progress from Clonee to north of Dunshaughlin. Some of the sections are pretty much completed and it makes for a perfect cycling environment, which I have tried out a few times! The road is so smooth in parts, you could land a plane on it - if you know how to fly a plane!
Sad case that I am, I have been taking photos at certain points along the route since the work started - like holiday snaps, there would only be about ten people on the planet who would have the remotest interest in looking at them, but the changes in the landscape are quite spectacular when you compare earlier photos to recent ones...now, where did I leave that anorak???

CUCINA

AFAIK, it's still full steam ahead. I live in Dunshaughlin and I have been watching its progress from Clonee to north of Dunshaughlin. Some of the sections are pretty much completed and it makes for a perfect cycling environment, which I have tried out a few times! The road is so smooth in parts, you could land a plane on it - if you know how to fly a plane!
Sad case that I am, I have been taking photos at certain points along the route since the work started - like holiday snaps, there would only be about ten people on the planet who would have the remotest interest in looking at them, but the changes in the landscape are quite spectacular when you compare earlier photos to recent ones...now, where did I leave that anorak???

Irish and Proud

CUCINA wrote: »

AFAIK, it's still full steam ahead. I live in Dunshaughlin and I have been watching its progress from Clonee to north of Dunshaughlin. Some of the sections are pretty much completed and it makes for a perfect cycling environment, which I have tried out a few times! The road is so smooth in parts, you could land a plane on it - if you know how to fly a plane!
Sad case that I am, I have been taking photos at certain points along the route since the work started - like holiday snaps, there would only be about ten people on the planet who would have the remotest interest in looking at them, but the changes in the landscape are quite spectacular when you compare earlier photos to recent ones...now, where did I leave that anorak???

I'd love to see some of those photos mate - I'm a regular on both the "Commuting and Transport" and "Infrastructure" forums where people do upload progress pics on road projects. One can see plenty of progress on the M8 motorway to Cork. On the "Waterford City" forum, there are plenty of progress pics on the N25 Bypass. As a Meathman, I'm surprised at the lack of local interest in the M3 - like it's the longest single road project in Ireland - 60km mainline of which 50km will be motorway. We may no longer be All Ireland Football Champions, but we are All Ireland contenders for road building!!!

With the above said, an update on the M3 website should be due soon!

Regards!

Kenno90

Well i travel from Dublin to Kells all the time and outside there making huge progress despite the recession they have the road laid out but not covered with tarmac , i've also seen the layout for the toll but it looks easy enough to drive around it and go onto the m3 after that ,

in Dunshaughlin they've done a large bridge with many new roads being connected to the motorway ,

in Navan i haven't seen much as it steers clear of the town , but there are plenty new roads linking the two

and in kells they've laid out the motorway and built 2 overpasses and 4 on/off ramps , now it's just a matter of connecting them all

CUCINA

Pleasant surprise to find that I am not the only one after all who is interested in the progress of the M3. The tree-huggers have cast a shadow over the whole project, with scholars from the other side of the world seeming to be on their side, with Professor-so-and-so-from-the obscure-university-of-the back-of-beyond type-of-thing writing to the letters page of the Meath Chronicle to vent their indignation at the bombing mission being carried out on the Hill of Tara by the NRA! (Maybe they think that those initials stand for The National Rifle Association?)
In fairness to the paper, they have also printed letters arguing the case for the other side, including a couple that I sent on the subject!
Anyway, re photos...I've been taking them with a humble digital camera, and then printing them. Once printed, they would mostly have been deleted. Not being a 'techie", I've never tried up-loading them on a site(apart from thinking that nobody would be interested in seeing them).
But if it is any use to you, Irish and Proud, I would certainly be willing to photo-copy them on a colour printer we have in work which I think would produce a reasonable level of quality. So if you are interested, PM your details and I will gladly send you a selection of photos. Re the sites that you mentioned, are they part of BOARDS.IE? I am new to "Boards", I find it compulsive browsing material...
As for Meath not winning All-Irelands anymore, I am like Kenno90, a Dubliner hiding in Meath (from the tree-huggers!) but I admit I was quite disappointed last year when Meath collapsed in the second half of that match against Limerick...talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

CUCINA

...actually, the match i was thinking of was the one last summer against Wexford. I was in the car-park of the Clonee garden centre listening to the commentators talking at half-time about how it was all over, Meath had to only go through the motions in the second half . When I got to Dunshaughlin, I was amazed to hear that Mattie Ford and co. had won!

Bog Butter

I have an interested in the M3 and i'm looking forward to seeing it's completion. I also have an interest in Irish Archaeology but it must be said that those tree huggers are a disgrace. Who knows what rameis they are telling the worlds archaeological acedemic sholars.

Stroke Politics

It's being discussed here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055504912

The apathy surrounding the construction of this motorway does not surprise me in the least. Apathy is the reason it took so long....

pullandbang

Kenno90 wrote: »

in Navan i haven't seen much as it steers clear of the town , but there are plenty new roads linking the two

In Bohermeen/Ardbraccan one of the flyover bridges is cracking up - literally. One side of the new bidge is sinking back into the ground leaving a big crack!

pullandbang

malman wrote: »

but it must be said that those tree huggers are a disgrace.

Aw c'mon, give the tree huggers a break. They're running out of things to protest agianst with the downturn in the economy.

There's less building going on so they've got nothing to protest against.

The whales have been saved, the forests have been replanted, seals are not being culled, we're all recycling and 4 x 4's are no longer fashionable!

The fact that the new M3 is FURTHER AWAY from Tara than the old N3 makes no difference to them.

dixiefly

CUCINA wrote: »

AFAIK, it's still full steam ahead. I live in Dunshaughlin and I have been watching its progress from Clonee to north of Dunshaughlin. Some of the sections are pretty much completed and it makes for a perfect cycling environment, which I have tried out a few times! The road is so smooth in parts, you could land a plane on it - if you know how to fly a plane!
Sad case that I am, I have been taking photos at certain points along the route since the work started - like holiday snaps, there would only be about ten people on the planet who would have the remotest interest in looking at them, but the changes in the landscape are quite spectacular when you compare earlier photos to recent ones...now, where did I leave that anorak???

Any chance of sharing where one can access the motorway for some cycling like you mentioned?
Cheers.

lostexpectation

pullandbang wrote: »

Aw c'mon, give the tree huggers a break. They're running out of things to protest agianst with the downturn in the economy.

There's less building going on so they've got nothing to protest against.

The whales have been saved, the forests have been replanted, seals are not being culled, we're all recycling and 4 x 4's are no longer fashionable!

The fact that the new M3 is FURTHER AWAY from Tara than the old N3 makes no difference to them.

where does tara end?

CUCINA

Probably the best place to access with a bike is the gate on the Drumree road (a couple of hundred yards on left after community school, coming from Dunshaughlin. Also, at the new roundabout on the N3 just north of Dunshaughlin, opposite the new water tower. The best time is Sunday...Saturday might be ok but chance of getting in the way of construction workers, which would not be advisable...a two ton JCB might just overpower your average push bike!

dixiefly

Thanks, would hope to try that.

Bog Butter

lostexpectation wrote: »

where does tara end?

The site of Tara is known as a complex as it has a range of monuments which span thousands of years in date. The earliest being a passage tomb (Newgrange is a passage tomb too and as such they are comtemporary). The state owned Tara complex covers an area of around 100 acres and the M3 will be located further away from it than the current N3.

The thing is though it was not just this 100 acre site which was a symbolic and important place to our past peoples. It was the whole landscape: the Tara to Skyrne valley. There are many other monuments which occupy the valley. Some of which were recently discovered during archaeological excavations prior to construction, most notabley the Lismullin timber circle.

This is where some confusion may lie as to the position of the motorway in relation to Tara. The protesters may claim that the road is going through Tara but what they are refering to is the wider symbolic landscape and not the state owned complex.

lostexpectation

my point exactly, but its not just symbolic

Irish and Proud

pullandbang wrote: »

In Bohermeen/Ardbraccan one of the flyover bridges is cracking up - literally. One side of the new bidge is sinking back into the ground leaving a big crack!

Wonder what the situation is now, regarding the bridge in question. The abutments for such bridges are usually piled - so maybe the piles do not go deep enough.

Will the bridge have to be knocked and reconstructed? :eek:

We'll just have to wait and see!

Regards!

CUCINA

Yesterday was a perfect day for a leisuely cycle so once again my wife and I explored the emerging roadway on and leading to the M3. I hadn't realised that there is a whole section of new road from the Trim Road to the bridge near the new water tower. It is more or less running parallel to the existing Drumree Road. Also, I was pleasantly surprised to note a couple of other family groups also cycling around, enjoying the fine weather.
As I mentioned before, it is a fine amenity for cyclists and walkers albeit temporary, and, of course, strictly speaking, we are tresspassing on a building site. But as long as the users are responsible I don't imagine it would cause a problem, leaving aside all that red tape to do with public liability insurance etc. in the event of someone injuring themselves while there. Sometimes I think there is too much insurance paranoia in the modern world.
At the same time, I can see that in the event of, say, guys on scrambler bikes invading the scene, then I wouldn't blame the authorities for having to crack down on the tresspassers...

spacetweek

Stroke Politics wrote: »

It's being discussed here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055504912

The apathy surrounding the construction of this motorway does not surprise me in the least. Apathy is the reason it took so long....

Trying to remember when work began. Was it 2007? I believe it was originally supposed to be 2003, and it slipped year by year.

Stroke Politics

's and week;59931236]Trying to remember when work began. Was it 2007? I believe it was originally supposed to be 2003, and it slipped year by year.[/quote]

What happened in the 1980's and 1990's? Did no-one want to improve the road then and attract jobs to the region? Noel Dempsey first promised a train line in 1999.....

upmeath

pullandbang wrote: »

In Bohermeen/Ardbraccan one of the flyover bridges is cracking up - literally. One side of the new bidge is sinking back into the ground leaving a big crack!

Well it is Bohermeen :rolleyes:
You'd have more joy in building a tunnel under Bangor Erris than in building a road anywhere around Tullaghanstown/Greetiagh/Bohermeen. The Drogheda-Mullingar road is a disgrace in that area, it's subsiding and has been for 15 or 20 years.

Amtmann

malman wrote: »

The protesters may claim that the road is going through Tara but what they are refering to is the wider symbolic landscape and not the state owned complex.

Actually I think a lot of protestors do it to deliberately mislead people and sensationalise the whole affair.

Irish and Proud

Furet wrote: »

Actually I think a lot of protestors do it to deliberately mislead people and sensationalise the whole affair.

Welcome to Meath mate - yeah, it's true what you're saying - saw some of their (M3 protesters) material and it had pictures of high level connectors directly above the actual earth mounds in Tara - as well as the same earth mounds being incorporated into a roundabout with the M3 in the background...

...like talk about trying to stir things up! :mad:

Regards!

leitrim lad

i worked on the new m3 between dunshuaghlin and navan,

used to go into dunshuaghlin every morning for the feed in thet lovely little cafe forget the name ,i think its named after a woman

was coming out one morning eyeing up a nice blonde and she shouted back at me youll know me the next time you see me.in a real dirty deep dub accent

but anyway back to the m3

one of the hippies gave me a piece of marble and he told me that it would keep me safe as a human ,i went in the next morning to find the same hippy asleep under the bonnet of my digger,

then they found a land drain in a farmers field and stopped the job for 3 weeks,

but there should be traffic on it before christmas all the big works done now, but them dirty hippies just made life hard for us all, they cut pipes and smashed windows on my diggers costing me thousands.

and you want to smell the sh2t they smoke. it would make a bale of silage fly,

they say dublin to cavan in just under an hour when it opens ,i dont know at what speed though, and i would be surprised if all the bridges stay up, some of them are built on soup

Amtmann

leitrim lad wrote: »

they say dublin to cavan in just under an hour when it opens ,i dont know at what speed though, and i would be surprised if all the bridges stay up, some of them are built on soup

Very entertaining post leitrim lad!

But seriously, what's this about bridges cracking already? Has the scheme been badly built?

Irish and Proud

leitrim lad wrote: »

but anyway back to the m3

one of the hippies gave me a piece of marble and he told me that it would keep me safe as a human ,i went in the next morning to find the same hippy asleep under the bonnet of my digger,

then they found a land drain in a farmers field and stopped the job for 3 weeks,

but there should be traffic on it before christmas all the big works done now, but them dirty hippies just made life hard for us all, they cut pipes and smashed windows on my diggers costing me thousands.

Well you should sue for the damage caused - they have no right to violate your property! :mad:

leitrim lad wrote: »

they say dublin to cavan in just under an hour when it opens ,i dont know at what speed though, and i would be surprised if all the bridges stay up, some of them are built on soup

Well who is responsible for the bridges? - anyone found negligent should be seriously punished and made pay for the waste of money, and the waste of materials. Again, if they can't pay - foreclose on their personal assets! :mad:

It's so-called professionals like the above that make this country into a complete joke - the leaking pool walls at the aquatic centre come to mind - we should make Ireland like Japan where people who inexcusably screw up are forced to make public apologies! Also, I heard something that some seats at Lansdowne Road will have obstructed views of the pitch - I seriously hope not!!! :mad:

Regards!

Amtmann

The first greyhound stadium in Cork was so badly designed that you couldn't see the first bend of the track from the stand.

Anyway, we need to see some pictures of the M3 on boards.ie.
It's amazing - after the M50, it is already the most notorious motorway in Ireland, yet we have no photographs of it. Over on the Commuting & Transport and Infrastructure fora we have stacks of M8 photos, a lot of M6 photos, a good few M9 pictures, and a steadily growing number of M7 shots. But no M3! Given the reports made about several bridges on the scheme, I'd like to see some evidence.

IIMII

I'd take some pics but it's hard to know where to start and I've a wee problem with my camera lens at the moment. It looks very much like an other motorway works. One thing that it does have is the railway station being built under the M3 Dunboyne junction at the same time and that is unique. The Blackbull Toll Plaza is under construction, and I haven't seen the northerly one yet. Lot of this road is away from other roads, in relatively remote countryside. It'll take a few jaunts up and down it to get to grips with. I still think the biggest surprise (for the want of a better word) is the new link road taking shape in the newly carved valley up at the back of the Old Bridge Inn - that will catch many people by surprise

Amtmann

I suppose I'd like to see the pictures so that we have some idea when it will probably open. Official sources can never be trusted.

I'd look at whether or not the concrete barrier has been erected, I'd look at the stage pavement works are at, and I'd look at the embankments and, if I knew what the scheme was generally like progress-wise along its length, I'd say I could make a fair estimate as to which month it might open.

leitrim lad

furet

its not badly built but, the amount of bad things that happened everyone involved there , like how many companies went bust, everyone else had machinery damaged and i got off lightly with mine, compared to others, an then the hippies,

god knows what concoctions them hippies got upto when we were off site

i heard of a few revenge plots on the main contractors by employees and members of outfits that went down on that job, i am unaware as to wheather they went trough with them or not,

but i found it a lovely place to work with friendly people especially the local farmers
i even met relations of mine that i never knew i had , when we went trough there land with the new road , im not sure of the exact townland but i think its in stamullen would that be right, thats the navan side of dunshuaghlin not far from that postoffice between navan and dunshuaghlin is that tara post office,

and i liked the tara na ri aswell great spot

Amtmann

Thanks for that leitrim lad. And don't worry; I doubt if they've cursed you!

Just getting back to the misrepresentation of the M3's route by certain parties, my first real encounter with this phenomenon was back in 2007, when I went on a roadtrip from Cork to Donegal with my then girlfriend, who was an American. She brought a copy of Lonely Planet's Irish travel guide with her, and we were finding it to be really useful. One day she decided to look up Tara, as we were thinking of going there. She read the first paragraph of this section...



...to me as I was driving along, and while I had no real interest in roads at that point, I just knew that it couldn't be right. I wonder how many backpacking free spirits/alternative types read that passage that year, and how much misinformation was spread globally because of it?

Bog Butter

Furet wrote: »

Thanks for that leitrim lad. And don't worry; I doubt if they've cursed you!

Just getting back to the misrepresentation of the M3's route by certain parties, my first real encounter with this phenomenon was back in 2007, when I went on a roadtrip from Cork to Donegal with my then girlfriend, who was an American. She brought a copy of Lonely Planet's Irish travel guide with her, and we were finding it to be really useful. One day she decided to look up Tara, as we were thinking of going there. She read the first paragraph of this section...



...to me as I was driving along, and while I had no real interest in roads at that point, I just knew that it couldn't be right. I wonder how many backpacking free spirits/alternative types read that passage that year, and how much misinformation was spread globally because of it?

Now that is misleading. It's disgracefull actually; no wonder you had crazy Americans writing to the national papers and the M. Chronicle.

Irish and Proud

leitrim lad wrote: »

furet
...i even met relations of mine that i never knew i had , when we went trough there land with the new road , im not sure of the exact townland but i think its in stamullen would that be right, thats the navan side of dunshuaghlin not far from that postoffice between navan and dunshuaghlin is that tara post office,

and i liked the tara na ri aswell great spot

Stamullen is in East Meath near the M1 Gormanston Interchange - I think it's Lismullen you're talking about, where some of the main M3 confrontations took place.

Regards!

Irish and Proud

malman wrote: »

Now that is misleading. It's disgracefull actually; no wonder you had crazy Americans writing to the national papers and the M. Chronicle.

It's a disgrace - no wonder people (on the news a good while back) came to Tara to get a so-called last opportunity to see it before it was to be destroyed by the M3! :rolleyes:

Liars! :mad:

Irish and Proud

leitrim lad wrote: »

furet

its not badly built but, the amount of bad things that happened everyone involved there , like how many companies went bust, everyone else had machinery damaged and i got off lightly with mine, compared to others, an then the hippies,

Apparently, a bridge at Bohermeen is subsiding and cracking - what's the storey there?

Many thanks!

Irish and Proud

upmeath wrote: »

Well it is Bohermeen :rolleyes:
You'd have more joy in building a tunnel under Bangor Erris than in building a road anywhere around Tullaghanstown/Greetiagh/Bohermeen. The Drogheda-Mullingar road is a disgrace in that area, it's subsiding and has been for 15 or 20 years.

...well if the area is bog, then piles should be used for bridge abutments/pillars, while roads should be built on embankments - about a decade ago, I spoke to an elderly man who worked on the roads in England - he said that when embankments were being constructed, bushes would be thrown down first, (forming a raft I take it) to counter subsidence - apparently, the timber was known not to rot over the suceeding years!

Regards!

leitrim lad

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Stamullen is in East Meath near the M1 Gormanston Interchange - I think it's Lismullen you're talking about, where some of the main M3 confrontations took place.

Regards!

thats the one lismullen, its been a while since i was there so i got mixed up, thats where my poor windows lifes ended

thanks

leitrim lad

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Apparently, a bridge at Bohermeen is subsiding and cracking - what's the storey there?

Many thanks!

the ground was outrageous bad ,no matter how deep you went down the worse it got ,not really bog, more like floating sand, mixed with wet greasy clay,


meath is renouned for its good farming land ,or atleast where i come from it is, but on this occasion all i could bring up in the bucket was soup,

now i dont want to upset the mods with this comment but there was serious financial problems out there aswell had nothing to do with the nra,or the council,but when men were not getting paid and subcontractors ended up going bust ,its no wonder the effort was not put into the work,

why do you think i abandoned ship, if i didnt i wouldnt be trading today

Amtmann

No doubt the solstice worshippers and crystal wearers will blame it all on the Tuath de Danan and the Fir Bolgs. We need to see a picture of this reportedly dodgy bridge! Piles should have been driven down 30 metres into the earth if necessary to add support.

Bog Butter

As someone who has an interest in archaeology I would be interested to know if the M3 protesters have shaped or changed your opinions about archaeology. Do people see archaeology as an nuisance, getting in the way of development?

Amtmann

Some of my friends are actually archaeologists. Their opinions on the M3 vary, but most were not against the construction. My own opinion is that archaeology is an invaluable discipline within the humanities, and always will be.

The protestors are a different affair, and I don't have much time for them. I don't associate them with archaeology anyway, though Vincent Salafia did post an interview with an elderly archaeologist on Youtube a while back.

Rarely have I heard such gross hyperbole. It was frankly stupid to compare the M3 works to a concentration camp. An academic specialising in things past should know better.

pullandbang

malman wrote: »

As someone who has an interest in archaeology I would be interested to know if the M3 protesters have shaped or changed your opinions about archaeology. Do people see archaeology as an nuisance, getting in the way of development?

From what I saw of these "M3 Protesters" they were a bunch of good for nothing hippies. A "rent a mob" who moved from one confrontation to another. Glen of the Downs, Carrickmines...etc...etc..a lot of imported yobs with nothing better to do than cause havoc. I wouldn't mention these yobs and archaeologists in the same breath....they are breeds apart. These muppets who claim to want to protect our heritage want nothing other than confrontation and to make a name for themselves - publicity seekers.
In fact I'd say they have tarnished the reputation of genuine archaeologists who do have an interest in protecting our heritage and history.

leitrim lad

malman wrote: »

As someone who has an interest in archaeology I would be interested to know if the M3 protesters have shaped or changed your opinions about archaeology. Do people see archaeology as an nuisance, getting in the way of development?

i love it ,i love our history, and i enjoy archeology, i can even trace my family back to the 3rd century , on the same farm of land we are on today, thats how origional i am

them hippies are no good wasters ,and i noticed they all disapeared every thursday/friday for a few hours to collect their benefits, i was face to face with them and i raced after them with one of my diggers in fast track , that put the sh2ts up them ,and fair play to navan and dunshaughlin gardai they were backen me all the way, even arrested a few of the dirty f111ers

then they wouldnt let the diesel lorry in to fill up the machines, so again the digger was put into action and they got another chase, an english one in an ould white citroen car with one of them speakers that can pick you up from a mile away, taught she was smart until she seen me heading for her car with a fairly big CAT ,she wasnt long dropping the speaker and moving her crock then,

one fella got into the bucket of my 330 one day so i put him up as high as she could reach and turned her off ,left him up there for the best part of the day, gaurds and every one making a laugh of him

and that post office between navan and dunshuaghlin, go down that road half a mile to the new m3 crosses it i think thats lismullen or near it anyway, one side is the navan gardai and the other is dunshuaghlin, well the fun we had with the hippies there , purposely having machines crossing the road just to annoy them ,

more of them near got ran down ahh such craic

upmeath

Furet wrote: »

we need to see some pictures of the M3 on boards.ie.
It's amazing - after the M50, it is already the most notorious motorway in Ireland, yet we have no photographs of it... ...But no M3! Given the reports made about several bridges on the scheme, I'd like to see some evidence.

I cross the route on my way to Kells from Trim every day, and any one of three routes I can take brings me over the flyovers so I'll bring a camera with me some reasonably good day this week and take a few shots. Do I need to create a designated M3 thread or is there already one there?

Amtmann

Hi upmeath, you can use this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055504912

or this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055514626

on the Infrastructure forum. Cheers. Looking forward to seeing your photos.

mcwhirter

leitrim lad wrote: »

i love it ,i love our history, and i enjoy archeology, i can even trace my family back to the 3rd century , on the same farm of land we are on today, thats how origional i am

them hippies are no good wasters ,and i noticed they all disapeared every thursday/friday for a few hours to collect their benefits, i was face to face with them and i raced after them with one of my diggers in fast track , that put the sh2ts up them ,and fair play to navan and dunshaughlin gardai they were backen me all the way, even arrested a few of the dirty f111ers

then they wouldnt let the diesel lorry in to fill up the machines, so again the digger was put into action and they got another chase, an english one in an ould white citroen car with one of them speakers that can pick you up from a mile away, taught she was smart until she seen me heading for her car with a fairly big CAT ,she wasnt long dropping the speaker and moving her crock then,

one fella got into the bucket of my 330 one day so i put him up as high as she could reach and turned her off ,left him up there for the best part of the day, gaurds and every one making a laugh of him

and that post office between navan and dunshuaghlin, go down that road half a mile to the new m3 crosses it i think thats lismullen or near it anyway, one side is the navan gardai and the other is dunshuaghlin, well the fun we had with the hippies there , purposely having machines crossing the road just to annoy them ,

more of them near got ran down ahh such craic

I see you were very busy constructing the road then:D

Irish and Proud

Furet wrote: »

Hi upmeath, you can use this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055504912

or this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055514626

on the Infrastructure forum. Cheers. Looking forward to seeing your photos.

Hi Furet,

About the section of M8 between jct 11 and 12, you (among others) were saying the a section of hard shoulder collapsed, resulting in road closure for the repairs. Also, I believe the same section's surface is pretty uneven - now given that the said problems apply mainly to just one section (jct 11 to 12), is the surrounding area another Bohermeen where the ground beneath is like soup? I wonder if areas of such ground conditions should be treated like water and bridged accordingly, or possibly constructed on platoons?

Now about Bohermeen itself, what the hell were the surveyors doing? - there were blatent examples of ground problems in the area - as the M3 EIS says, Route A (the chosen route through Bohermeen) affects only one house - why might that be? :rolleyes: - did these people not have a look at the area and notice the N51 nearby??? :mad: Did they not bore trial holes to check the ground conditions - is that not their job??? :mad:

Also, the funny thing is that Tara Mines nearby goes 800m deep - that's 1/2 mile straight down - equivilant of an inverted Burj Dubai (800m high). Now, I've yet to hear about any flooding problems there @ -800m, so looking at the route selection on the Navan Bypass (section of M3), route C (by the rear of Tara Mines) might have been a better option. Another very funny thing is that the railways (near Bohermeen) built more than a century ago seem to have no problems with subsidence - and given that railways have to be extremely flat and even, what does that say for us and out technology in 2009? :rolleyes:

It's a disgrace - just as well our counterparts from 100 years back didn't hack time travel - they'd be laughing at the world now looking at all the screw ups - ie. the Boston Big Dig with leaking walls and collapsing ceilings, a tunnel in Portugal completely flooding during construction, the 3 Gorges Dam in China with the new man made earthquakes and droughts, etc, etc, etc! :mad:

OMG, professionals can do nothing right these days! :mad:

Regards!

Amtmann

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Hi Furet,

About the section of M8 between jct 11 and 12, you (among others) were saying the a section of hard shoulder collapsed, resulting in road closure for the repairs. Also, I believe the same section's surface is pretty uneven - now given that the said problems apply mainly to just one section (jct 11 to 12), is the surrounding area another Bohermeen where the ground beneath is like soup? I wonder if areas of such ground conditions should be treated like water and bridged accordingly, or possibly constructed on platoons?

No, it's actually good dry ground, not boggy in the least...just poor craftsmanship.

Irish and Proud

Furet wrote: »

No, it's actually good dry ground, not boggy in the least...just poor craftsmanship.

Well I hope the people responsible are made to redo the job at their own expense - that's in addition to penalties for the resulting traffic disruption!

It's time we as a country got very serious! :mad:

Regards!

Amtmann

The motorway was closed about three weeks ago for four days and the subsidence was repaired. Not sure who paid for it, but I reckon the contractors that built it (Roadbridge Sisk JV) were liable.