Dell doing it again, Alienware is pulling out of Ireland.

Run_to_da_hills

It was not too long ago that this small high end gaming computer manufacture in Athlone was considered unique and the envy of anyone at a lan party. They made some very tasty looking gaming PC's and notebooks. http://www.alienware.co.uk/main.aspx

When Dell took them over in 2006 people feared the worst, ie mass production, shared components with the main production line, drop in quality, after sales etc.

Now the worst has happened, It look as if they are taking them out of the country and setting them up along with their main production line in Lodz Poland.

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/general/15263598/?view=Standard

HarryPalmer

Shame, although it has to be said that Alienware were so overpriced it was ridiculous. Never quite understood that move on Dell's part, and I was working there at the time.

CHD

Giant who cares.

overpriced laptops can't compete is recession. they'd be out of business if they weren't going to poland?

Cunny-Funt

Alienware was Irish? Never knew that:eek:

Rebel021

I was buying a new monitor today and it was a choice between
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=431103
or
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ie&l=en&s=dhs&cs=iedhs1&sku=189447
and I must say my decision came down to my disgust at dell laying more people off.

admiralofthefleet

CHD wrote: »

Giant who cares.

a lot of people in athlone and surrounding areas, methinks

Rebel021

Rebel021 wrote: »

I was buying a new monitor today and it was a choice between
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=431103
or
http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ie&l=en&s=dhs&cs=iedhs1&sku=189447
and I must say my decision came down to my disgust at dell laying more people off.

disgust?

we're too expensive. not their fault.

Run_to_da_hills

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

a lot of people in athlone and surrounding areas, methinks

70 according to their local paper.

http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/articles/1/37504

Seifer

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It was not too long ago that this small high end gaming computer manufacture in Athlone was considered unique and the envy of anyone at a lan party. They made some very tasty looking gaming PC's and notebooks.

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Alienware was Irish? Never knew that:eek:

They were not and are not Irish. Their european headquarters was in Athlone before Dell took them over. wiki

Terry

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It was not too long ago that this small high end gaming computer manufacture in Athlone was considered unique and the envy of anyone at a lan party. They made some very tasty looking gaming PC's and notebooks. http://www.alienware.co.uk/main.aspx

When Dell took them over in 2006 people feared the worst, ie mass production, shared components with the main production line, drop in quality, after sales etc.

Now the worst has happened, It look as if they are taking them out of the country and setting them up along with their main production line in Lodz Poland.

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/general/15263598/?view=Standard

Do you not have any good news to bring us?
It's always doom and gloom with you.

How about an upbeat story the next time?

Run_to_da_hills

Terry wrote: »

Do you not have any good news to bring us?
It's always doom and gloom with you.

How about an upbeat story the next time?

There was no one killed, It's a current news topic and concerns some of us whether employed or others that have a genuine interest in Lan party PC's.

Personally I never had Alienware, they were overpriced, I could get the same specs for about 1/2 the price if I looked around. I often thought of using one of their older towers and fitting my own components into it.

Seifer

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There was no one killed,
It's in the news, and concerns some of us whether employed or those that have a genuine interest in Lan party PC's.

Anyone that has an interest in "Lan party PC's" would build their own and not buy a rip off, poorly made, glowing eyes, Alienware.

galwayrush

Terry wrote: »

Do you not have any good news to bring us?

I have some good news, I've increased my staff by 33.3% . OK, it's only one job but it all helps.:cool:

Run_to_da_hills

Seifer wrote: »

Anyone that has an interest in "Lan party PC's" would build their own and not buy a rip off, poorly made, glowing eyes, Alienware.

Thats what I have done except mine is a 4U rackmount.

thelordofcheese

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It was not too long ago that this small high end gaming computer manufacture in Athlone was considered unique and the envy of anyone at a lan party.

This was never true.

Nodin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There was no one killed, It's a current news topic and concerns some of us whether employed or tothers that have a genuine interest in Lan party PC's.

Personally I never had Alienware, they were overpriced, I could get the same specs for about 1/2 the price if I looked around.

I have an Alienware rig. They aren't exactly disposed to being lugged round the place. The case is bulkier and a bit longer than most. As for price I found the difference not that considerable (v dell, desktop).

Schism

Seifer wrote: »

Anyone that has an interest in "Lan party PC's" would build their own and not buy a rip off, poorly made, glowing eyes, Alienware.

QFT, they're just a novelty really.

Fanny Cradock

What a Lodz of crap.

As somebody said before, their computers where horribly expensive. Better to build it yourself, I say.

Cunny-Funt

Terry wrote: »

Do you not have any good news to bring us?
It's always doom and gloom with you.

How about an upbeat story the next time?

At least this time its actually something to do with Ireland and not another country

Run_to_da_hills

thelordofcheese wrote: »

This was never true.

It was until Dell took over.:pac:

Onikage

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

a lot of people in athlone and surrounding areas, methinks

You'd be surprised... most are techies hoping to crack into Eircsson (which is just around the corner) doing support. They see it as a waiting room more than a career.

thelordofcheese

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It was until Dell took over.:pac:

I think we can safely add "PC's" to the list of things you have 'alternative' notions about.

Boston

I remember looking at an Alien ware pc once and comparing the Irish and english alienware sites. The pc was ~ £200 cheaper from the English site, at which point I said fuk this shower of *****. Glad they're gone tbh.

Nforce

Boston wrote: »

I remember looking at an Alien ware pc once and comparing the Irish and english alienware sites. The pc was ~ £200 cheaper from the English site, at which point I said fuk this shower of *****. Glad they're gone tbh.

Probably due to the tax differences between UK and Ireland

Biggins

Sorry about the staff but as the machines go, they were over hyped and even worse, way over priced.

Big Wave

Deleted User wrote: »

they'd be out of business if they weren't going to poland?

So is that a question?

magick

sad to see the jobs go but as for alienware itsself,

overprised, the cases had the airflow ability of being under 12 duvets

Run_to_da_hills

Biggins wrote: »

Sorry about the staff but as the machines go, they were over hyped and even worse, way over priced.

They will now have to produce a Celeron range to keep up production.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

thelordofcheese wrote: »

This was never true.

Well it was actually...

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They will have to produce a Celeron range to keep up production.

Please, no... let the celeron die a horrible horrible death...

They were over priced, they were top of the line though. I normally buy my PC online. I build it myself with what I want, it tends to be top of the line too but not as expensive.

You will never ever need to spend 3-4K on a PC, no matter what you are doing with it.

My last PC cost me about 800 quid. There were a few hickups with the retard company I was dealing with but worth it in the end

HarryPalmer

Giovanna Damp Apprentice wrote: »

Well it was actually...

Nope, it wasn't.
EDIT: The only thing of envy was the wallet of the guy buying. I worked for Dell at the time they bought AW, and we could knock out a better machine for far less. Bearing in mind that we are discussing "Dell Quality" now, that's something.

AlmightyCushion

Giovanna Damp Apprentice wrote: »

Please, no... let the celeron die a horrible horrible death...

The celerons aren't actually that bad a processor. It all depends on what you plan on using it for.

HarryPalmer

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The celerons aren't actually that bad a processor. It all depends on what you plan on using it for.

A computer. They're a bad idea for that.

AlmightyCushion

HarryPalmer wrote: »

A computer. They're a bad idea for that.

Really? I plan on building a cheapo file server using a celeron 440. All it'll be doing it sitting there so other pcs can pull files off it. The celeron is probably overkill for this situation. The celerons aren't actually as bad as people make them out to be (they use to be pretty bad). Obviously not as good as their core 2 brothers but still offer decent performance for the price.

Run_to_da_hills

HarryPalmer wrote: »

Nope, it wasn't.
EDIT: The only thing of envy was the wallet of the guy buying. I worked for Dell at the time they bought AW, and we could knock out a better machine for far less. Bearing in mind that we are discussing "Dell Quality" now, that's something.

Dell used to make a killing on line, people would get carried away ordering upgrade specs.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The celerons aren't actually that bad a processor. It all depends on what you plan on using it for.

If they were any good Mac would be using them. :pac:

HarryPalmer

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Really? I plan on building a cheapo file server using a celeron 440. All it'll be doing it sitting there so other pcs can pull files off it. The celeron is probably overkill for this situation. The celerons aren't actually as bad as people make them out to be (they use to be pretty bad). Obviously not as good as their core 2 brothers but still offer decent performance for the price.

Was taking the piss . A friend sent me some link at work to a box for less than a couple of hundred quid that had the whole thing - PC in a portable box with a drive that could be easily replaced. Will remind myself to get the link and post tomorrow, if you like. No point in having full PC for remote storage nowadays, methinks. Why not just some NAS hooked-up to something used? Or are you out to learn something?

AlmightyCushion

HarryPalmer wrote: »

Was taking the piss . A friend sent me some link at work to a box for less than a couple of hundred quid that had the whole thing - PC in a portable box with a drive that could be easily replaced. Will remind myself to get the link and post tomorrow, if you like. No point in having full PC for remote storage nowadays, methinks. Why not just some NAS hooked-up to something used? Or are you out to learn something?

Yeah, please do. The reason I am thinking of going with a full sized pc for it is so that I can just stick a butt load of hard drives in it and I'd probably be able to get my hands on some free or cheap parts. Also, I'd like to try out messing about with a server for a while.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

HarryPalmer wrote: »

Nope, it wasn't.
EDIT: The only thing of envy was the wallet of the guy buying. I worked for Dell at the time they bought AW, and we could knock out a better machine for far less. Bearing in mind that we are discussing "Dell Quality" now, that's something.

Nothing to do with the price, I could get a more expensive PC than alienware if I searched...

They were one of the better already built brands. Dell are crap, there's no more to it. I find it difficult to understand how they make a profit. Oh wait, they prey on peoples ignorance. :P

HarryPalmer

Giovanna Damp Apprentice wrote: »

Oh wait, they prey on peoples ignorance. :P

Agreed. Total crap. Even whilst I worked for them I advised friends and family to buy elsewhere. Still, they paid my mortgage for a while...

Cunny-Funt

The only good thing I have to say about Alienware was that some their laptops looked badass.

Run_to_da_hills

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

The only good thing I have to say about Alienware was that some their laptops looked badass.

Thats how they marketed their product.

Joey the lips

Hi All have been saying it for years. We depend to much on stupid foreign companies whfo dont give a flying fcuk about paddies 300k mortage or the fact that he only missed one day last year.

All they care about is botton line. Profit/Grants/Funding/Profit

Dell will not be the only one to go!

What we need and have needed is more home grown industries.
and believe it or not by shopping in the multiple foreign supermarkets you are contributing directly to supporting this industry

So I might be ranting but I buy local fruit and veg/from the local butchers and after that then i multiple. So I am prat what I preech and its costing me not a whole lot more for a far superior product.

Big Wave

Big Wave wrote: »

So is that a question?

more a rhetorical question..



ps. check your visitor messages and check mine. your post in this thread sums up people's opinion of you.

Sanjuro

Ah Alienware. I got one of those behemoths back in aught five (05) and it still is going strong and can run a fair few new games on full spec. Although it has now been relegated to being the media centre beside my 42" since I built my own PC in January.
I know someone who bought after the Dell take-over and his computer isn't even half as good as my older machine, despite similar spec.

Shame about the plant closing. While I agree they are over-priced, the speed in building and delivery suggested that they had a slick operation here. I feel bad for those left without jobs.

Oh, and fúck Dell.

Alcatel

Anyone think the price of an Alienware will come down now? Didn't think so

Still, we can't moan: If the guy driving the truck is earning 3 times as much as a guy who'll drive the truck of parts from Point A to Point B in Poland, would you keep the business here in Ireland?

We're too rich to be making things anymore, because the whole idea of mass-production is to keep the costs down.

If you don't like it, that's tough. Really. It's unfortunate, but you can't complain when our minimum wage (which benchmarks many other wages) is far and above anything that other people, just as qualified to do the work, will do it for. Plus social taxes, etc etc.

It's reality. If we want to live the life that we're used to, we have to be skilled enough to work the jobs that pay to sustain it. We don't have a human right to a job in Dell.

Overheal

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

The only good thing I have to say about Alienware was that some their laptops looked badass.

If you ask me they look like crap. The kind of thing a boy racer might like to put wheels and a broken tailpipe onto. And the last 12 months in the Laptops forum has been nothing but one string of failures one after the other. edit: wait, I'm thinking of Dell XPS. nevermind.

I guess I just prefer something a bit more conservative looking, that doesnt waste my battery power on flashy multicolered LED case lights: http://www.funponsel.com/blog/computers/more-pics-of-hp-pavilion-dv6500-special-edition-laptop.html (Minus the asian chick I'm afraid). And has as much spec as any alienware XPS lappy. All they were is med-grade laptops with cheap flashy exteriors.

edit: Frankly after the buyout I just assumed XPS was alienware.

Overheal

Alcatel wrote: »

We're too rich to be making things anymore, because the whole idea of mass-production is to keep the costs down.

While cost of living and minimum wage factors into it, there is also Economies of Scale. American automakers wouldnt be nearly as (un)competitive as they are today if it wasnt for advancements in mass production techniques. Those kind of things keep costs down. China just does it another way, through grossly exploited labor. That doesnt mean Ireland can't invest in higher capacity mass production techniques.

Obviously for the joy of a Handbuilt Computer thats a bit of a contradiction, but for most goods and services you can do a lot by automating the processes.

For example, that truck driver. If Ireland invested in Freight Rail you wouldnt so much have that problem. As it is, in the US you can have 1 operator haul 200 times as many goods as any truck driver via a rail system. Again, its about looking for smarter techniques.

Big Wave

Deleted User wrote: »

ps. check your visitor messages and check mine. your post in this thread sums up people's opinion of you.

Eh, I only have 1 visitor message, and it's from YOU! Weirdo...

Terry

Deleted User wrote: »

more a rhetorical question..



ps. check your visitor messages and check mine. your post in this thread sums up people's opinion of you.

Quiet you.

Big Wave wrote: »

Eh, I only have 1 visitor message, and it's from YOU! Weirdo...

You too.

Overheal wrote: »

While cost of living and minimum wage factors into it, there is also Economies of Scale. American automakers wouldnt be nearly as (un)competitive as they are today if it wasnt for advancements in mass production techniques. Those kind of things keep costs down. China just does it another way, through grossly exploited labor. That doesnt mean Ireland can't invest in higher capacity mass production techniques.

Obviously for the joy of a Handbuilt Computer thats a bit of a contradiction, but for most goods and services you can do a lot by automating the processes.

For example, that truck driver. If Ireland invested in Freight Rail you wouldnt so much have that problem. As it is, in the US you can have 1 operator haul 200 times as many goods as any truck driver via a rail system. Again, its about looking for smarter techniques.

Oh we could invest in freight rail, but we wouldn't be allowed put it anywhere.
The hippies would be out in force if it came anywhere near a fairy ring.

Big Wave

Deleted User wrote: »

more a rhetorical question..

Really?

"they'd be out of business if they weren't going to poland?"
That's not a question - it's a statement with a question mark on the end. I guess you don't know the difference...


Edit: sorry Terry - he leaves visitor messages on my profile slagging me off, and then he likes to claim randomly & off topic that nobody like me, and to check my visitor messages as proof. It's cyber bullying, and I'm just defending myself.

Run_to_da_hills

Overheal wrote: »

I guess I just prefer something a bit more conservative looking, that doesnt waste my battery power on flashy multicolered LED case lights.

You can disnnect those LEDS if you trace the wires back to a small black box, don't disconnect them from the motherboard as you will also unplug a fan.

Not sure if later models had an option in the control panel. They should have them that they switch off automatically on battery power.