Peugeot 407 particle filter

HighMan

I have a 2004 Peugeot 407 1.6hdi. It needs a new particle filter and a fill of eloys fluid. Has anyone got this done? Just wondering what kind of cost is involved. I have heard that reconditioned versions of the filter are available. Is this true? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Quatre Mains

i hope you are ready for serious wallet damage. I own a 406 coupe Hdi, i was quoted 300+labour for a reconditioned filter. Expect 6-7 hours labour at €50 per hour. The fluid i have in my car is called cerene so it might be different to yours, but that costs about €35-40 a litre (5 litre tank).

Is your fluid empty? if so this is the reason for the filter blockage. You might want to try getting the fluid refilled before plumping for a filter change. Tell the garage you want them to put a thimble full of it neat into the tank to clear the filter. If after a few days its still erroring for blockage its screwed.

If you are handy you can clean the existing filter yourself (I did mine with a pal.) It took all day but saved me a bomb. Details on how to do it for my car are stickied on the forum at www.peugeot406coupe.com, you mgiht want to check that if no-one has done a 407 procedure.

if the filter is not erroring at all and this is some kind of 80k service or something, dont get it done, just run it to fail.

HighMan

Thanks for the reply. I am getting three errors - "Depollution System Faulty", "Particle Filter regeneration cycle urgent" and "particle filter additive fluid level too low". Where did you get the quote for the recon filter? I was thinking of going north of the border for the parts and fluid. I use the car as a taxi and need to get all this sorted before the end of april.

Quatre Mains

quote was from Conlons in Edenderry. You will defo get a better price up north. UK users of the 406 coupe forum have mentioned prices of £650 for parts and labour tho - this is not a cheap job.
Your errors are worded different to my old ones but the reason for them is that you have run out of fluid. The fluid lowers the burning temp of soot. This means that you're getting a buildup of soot in your filter(which happens normally), but when the car does its regen cycle its not burning off. If you are doing the job yourself, you just take off the old filter and powerwash it for 20-30 mins at a garage and pop it back on. The reason the job takes ages is drilling out worn bolts etc while underneath the car, plus the fact you have to dry the filter off in the hot press to be certain you dont blow the sensor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwOvh58cxNU&playnext_from=PL&feature=PlayList&p=3F689D51B5A02678&playnext=1&index=44

Row

Peugeot will charge you around 800-850 to replace the filter with a new one, top up the eolys tank and reset the system.....:eek:
I guess you have around 100k covered on your 407...??
Is it a 1.6 or 20 hdi??
Row

HighMan

Rang Peugeot in Newry. I can get recon particle filter, additive fluid and a wishbone all for €760. I dont think I could beat that anywhere else. Row I have 122k miles on 1.6hdi.

TURRICAN

thats serious stuff.
for a particle filter ,im guessing its under the dash or somthing thats the big labour cost.
id try do it myself justr take my time doin it .

Row

HighMan wrote: »

Rang Peugeot in Newry. I can get recon particle filter, additive fluid and a wishbone all for €760. I dont think I could beat that anywhere else. Row I have 122k miles on 1.6hdi.

Is it the wishbone bushing thats worn..normally its the lower balljoint
that gives trouble...
€760 sounds good for the dpf...:)

Row

TURRICAN wrote: »

thats serious stuff.
for a particle filter ,im guessing its under the dash or somthing thats the big labour cost.
id try do it myself justr take my time doin it .

This is the base of the dpf on the 1.6 hdi's...;)

DubDani

Not sure who you called in Newry, but it wasn't a Peugeot Dealer. The peugeot Dealer in Newry (Edward McAlinden) closed a few months ago.

Might habe been the Peugeot Dealer in Armagh who have taken on their customer base.

HighMan

DubDani wrote: »

Not sure who you called in Newry, but it wasn't a Peugeot Dealer. The peugeot Dealer in Newry (Edward McAlinden) closed a few months ago.

Might habe been the Peugeot Dealer in Armagh who have taken on their customer base.

I did a search for Peugeot Newry on Google and I got the number for McAlinden. Rang the number and was answered. Wasn't aware they closed. Must be as you said. Must ring in the morning and find out. I just assumed it was Peugeot in Newry I was talking to. Row, it is definitely the wishbone bush.

406C

HighMan wrote: »

Rang Peugeot in Newry. I can get recon particle filter, additive fluid and a wishbone all for €760. I dont think I could beat that anywhere else.

without a doubt you can by printing off the article from the 406 coupe owners club on how to clean it, getting a local mechanic to take it off, power washing it down the local car wash for 30 - 40 mins then getting the mechanic to put it back on - hey presto clean FAP

If your car has had its filter cleaned/replaced, cerene filled and faults registered on the ECU cleared, and you keep getting FAP/Engine Management alerts and even limp mode kicking in, ask the garage to check the turbo flap, vacuum reservoir, pressure sensor, fuel cap sensor, EGR diaphragm/ vacuum and throttle valve vacuum, as they all have the same diagnostic destination.

dikiedavis

sorry to ask but could you tell me where the eloys tank is located in the 407.and is it possible to remove the particle filter,clean it out with a power washer or are the threads im reading inncorrect?have this problem now for a while and havent the bills to pay for it to be done,no major loss of performance to the car but nct is due so need to get a finger out,any help i would be grateful thanks

Fanthomas

220 euro in Poland plus about 20 for posting http://www.allegro.pl/item869092572_filtr_fap_peugeot_206_307_407_citroen_c4_c5_1_6hdi.html If you need any help with translation or something else give me a show...I am polish:)

Row

Great link Fanthomas....;)..are these reconditioned or new dpf's...??

The eloys tanks is located beside the diesel tank rear left wheel its covered by a aluminium cover.
It will cost around €110 for 3 litres of eloys (dealers) but you will need to get the counters/system reset by planet or an equivalent diagnostic equipment.
Really the dpf would want to be checked with live data to see if it is getting blocked by checking the differential pressure and filter load.
Theres some info on here...
www.407owners.com/forums
Heres a pic of the eloys been topped up.

Fanthomas

It is brand new!Comes straight from a shop.

Row

Fanthomas wrote: »

It is brand new!Comes straight from a shop.

Nice one....:cool:

dikiedavis

sorry again but how do yo fill the eloys tank?does it have a filler nozzle or do i need to remove the tank

Row

dikiedavis wrote: »

sorry again but how do yo fill the eloys tank?does it have a filler nozzle or do i need to remove the tank

When you buy the 1 or 3 litre additive from peugeot/citroen a filling kit comes with it...:) maybe have a look at your own tank and see how full/empty it is.
They usally need topping up around 80-100,00miles.

As i said topping up the tank is only one part of it ..the system counters need
to be reset so it knows its full again and the dpf needs looking at with
diagnostic equipment as if it blocks it can cause back pressure in your engine which can do harm to your turbo....and engine....:eek:
If your anywhere near galway i can reset the system with Planet...:)

Row

I forgot to mention eloys fluid is pretty nasty stuff and can cause burns
to the skin....so be careful if you do top up your additive tank.
If you need anymore info on topping up the additive pm me an i can
send you some info...Ron

mullingar

Row wrote: »

the system counters need
to be reset so it knows its full again

For a Ford Focus 1.6 with the DPF, the Haynes manual has a routine without any diagnostic equipment (turn ignition on a few times, open/close fuel flap a few times, dance around the car 3 times etc etc...

Yet to try!

Row

mullingar wrote: »

For a Ford Focus 1.6 with the DPF, the Haynes manual has a routine without any diagnostic equipment (turn ignition on a few times, open/close fuel flap a few times, dance around the car 3 times etc etc...

Yet to try!

:D...is it called the dpf dance....:D
With Peugeot/Citroens the counters need to be zeroed....with the first
607's there was a procedure along with the diag equip where you would have to open the fuel cap for a few minutes,close it again wait a few more minutes
etc.....But no mention of a dance...:)
With the 407's resetting is straight forward enough....:)
Ron.

halkar

I think my c4 will need this too. I used to get the warning light from time to time few months ago. Now I get this warning everytime I start the car lately. Car is over 100k miles. Due for service in few weeks. Looks like it will be a shocking one too.

I'll will dance around the car tomorrow. Maybe save myself a small fortune

Row

halkar wrote: »

I think my c4 will need this too. I used to get the warning light from time to time few months ago. Now I get this warning everytime I start the car lately. Car is over 100k miles. Due for service in few weeks. Looks like it will be a shocking one too.

I'll will dance around the car tomorrow. Maybe save myself a small fortune

Don't let it go to long as if it blocks it can cause other engine/turbo problems.
Then there maybe a war dance...:)

GERMAN ROCKS

is this job enevitable. eg does it happen every 1.6hdi around 100k or do some cars escape without ever hving to be touched. just curious to know what price your looking if the dpf or watever comes up on the screen to get fixed presuming you get it done straight away

Row

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

is this job enevitable. eg does it happen every 1.6hdi around 100k or do some cars escape without ever hving to be touched. just curious to know what price your looking if the dpf or watever comes up on the screen to get fixed presuming you get it done straight away

Both the 1.6 and 20 hdi's have dpf's where Peugeot recommend replacment
around 100k-ish.
I'm afraid None of them escape.....:eek:

On a dpf service Peugeot would normally do.....
1)replaced they dpf with a reconditioned unit. €380 give or take (Parts only)
2)top up additive tank €110 give or take for 3 litres (parts only)
3)Reset the counters and tell the engine ecu that its had a new dpf..
labour and system reset will vary but say €300 - €350.
so this brings it up to around €800-850 from a main dealer....:eek:

Prices may have came back down since....

Maybe ring your local dealer and ask them for a price for a dpf replacment and topping up the additive tank.

The 1.6 hdi's tend to display ... Particle filter regeneration cycle urgent and
the 20 hdi's tend to ... display..... depolution system faulty

Removing and powerwashing the dpf's can also be a cheaper alternative
but then these faults will still need resetting and the additive will also need
to be topped up.
If need be i can check reset all dpf systems on all Peugeot/Citroens.
and it won't break the bank.....:)

dikiedavis

whats up row.do you have any info on removing the dpf from a 1.6 pug 407.do i need to cut the thing off?how accessible is it to remove?im no mechanic so is it a job for some one who knows their ****? thanks row

mullingar

dikiedavis wrote: »

whats up row.do you have any info on removing the dpf from a 1.6 pug 407.do i need to cut the thing off?how accessible is it to remove?im no mechanic so is it a job for some one who knows their ****? thanks row

eemmm, if you knew your **** why are you asking for help??

Row

dikiedavis wrote: »

whats up row.do you have any info on removing the dpf from a 1.6 pug 407.do i need to cut the thing off?how accessible is it to remove?im no mechanic so is it a job for some one who knows their ****? thanks row

What mileage have you on your 407...??
The dpf is below the turbo.
You can't cut it out so easy as your car will be in limp mode all/most the time...:eek:

I'm guessing you have "Partical filter regeneration urgent" comming up
on your display....?
Were are you based..?

Harcrid

mullingar wrote: »

eemmm, if you knew your **** why are you asking for help??

I don't think he is saying he knows his sh** but rather is it a job for another person who knows his sh**.

darragh o meara

Im sure I read somewhere recently that superchips or someone like them can remove the DPF programme from the Peugeot/Citroen ecus which will allow them to run without the need fr the filter and fluid. This aparently makes them better on diesel and a bit better responsive wise too but the main thing is that they still pass the emmisions test.

I know a few people with merc vans who had them removed and the ecu reprogrammed to operate without them who have had no problems with the engines since.

Row

Darragh O Meara wrote: »

Im sure I read somewhere recently that superchips or someone like them can remove the DPF programme from the Peugeot/Citroen ecus which will allow them to run without the need fr the filter and fluid. This aparently makes them better on diesel and a bit better responsive wise too but the main thing is that they still pass the emmisions test.

I know a few people with merc vans who had them removed and the ecu reprogrammed to operate without them who have had no problems with the engines since.

I think this is the crowd that do it.. http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1153533 not sure if it's a success with Peugeot/Citroens...

I know a few people whom have removed powerwashed there dpf's refitted
with no problems.....after that its a matter of topping up there additive tank
and resetting the system...:)

dikiedavis

Row wrote: »

What mileage have you on your 407...??
The dpf is below the turbo.
You can't cut it out so easy as your car will be in limp mode all/most the time...:eek:

I'm guessing you have "Partical filter regeneration urgent" comming up
on your display....?
Were are you based..?

thanks for reply row
please be quiet mullingar i asked for help as i dont know my **** when it comes to this stuff.hence the need for help!!!!
my display shows particle filter regeneration cycle urgent.i am based in clane in kildare.times are hard so i would prefer to take the dpf out and power wash it for ireland.theres 75k now on the clock.my ouwlfella has said he'd give me a dig out if need be but neither of us has much experience in this field.thanks again

Row

There's some info on this fault on www.407owners.com/forums.
Theres a good chance one or more of the heater plugs have burnt out
which can bring up this fault...you will need someone with peugeot diagnostics or equivalent equipment to reset this fault...as this fault will not display any P-codes..:eek:
pm me if you need more info...:)

dag260

Hi Row, I would be gratefull if you could help, I have a 2004 407 2.0L HDI with 84000m on the clock. I have got the message DEPOLUTION SYSTEM FAULTY comming on the display screen! I have checked the oil level in the adative tank and its about half full from what i can see, I have removed the DPF filter and steam cleaned it out. I pluged in a obd 2 code reader and cleared the fault codes and it took the engine warning light off and no message on screen, but after about 20 seconds of running, message back on screen and engine warning light on again I just cant remember the code I got but I think it was 1435, any Ideas??? thanks for your time, Dave

Row

dag260 wrote: »

Hi Row, I would be gratefull if you could help, I have a 2004 407 2.0L HDI with 84000m on the clock. I have got the message DEPOLUTION SYSTEM FAULTY comming on the display screen! I have checked the oil level in the adative tank and its about half full from what i can see, I have removed the DPF filter and steam cleaned it out. I pluged in a obd 2 code reader and cleared the fault codes and it took the engine warning light off and no message on screen, but after about 20 seconds of running, message back on screen and engine warning light on again I just cant remember the code I got but I think it was 1435, any Ideas??? thanks for your time, Dave

Hi Dave,
Your dpf should'nt have needed cleaning /replacment at 84,000m..unless
there are other faults with the system..

P1435= Particle filter additive system : Fault in communication between the BSI and the additive pump

This fault points towards the additve pump which is builtin to the additive tank...If you know someone with planet or good diagnostic equipment
they can activate the pump manually which can tell if the pump is faulty.

If your near the west i maybe able to help out..:)
Ron.

sarpj

Hi

I have a 407 and the particle filter error came up. I got it washed out yesterday and the mechanic told me i would need to consult the manual to find out how to do the regeneration cycle. - but i cant find the manual anywhere - would anyone know how to do this?

Thanks in advance!

Anan1

sarpj wrote: »

Hi

I have a 407 and the particle filter error came up. I got it washed out yesterday and the mechanic told me i would need to consult the manual to find out how to do the regeneration cycle. - but i cant find the manual anywhere - would anyone know how to do this?

Thanks in advance!

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