HSP season 5

BobSloane

Its here for those interested

http://www.youtube.com/user/GSNVideos

dsab

Saw it last night and thought it was very dull.

They showed too few hands and there was far too much chatter on the table for my liking. And oh my god do some of the new faces annoy me.

And if Dwan would finally shut up and not comment on everything I might even stop being annoyed by him.

All in all very disappointing start to the season, IMO.

eoghan104

Yeh I was a bit dissapointed myself, I was really looking forward to it!! Im sure it will improve tho its a great show. I see Dario Minieri is going to be on it, should be interesting.

I hate that Durr fella with a fiery passion that burns deep in my soul! Hes such a little weird geek. Hes creepy.....

ocallagh

Thought Eastgate's play with A6 was fine. Dwan seems like a bit of a cunt to me.

aya14

ocallagh wrote: »

Thought Eastgate's play with A6 was fine. Dwan seems like a bit of a cunt to me.

yeah he does seem like a cnut i think he was tryin to make Eastgate feel inferior.
fwiw imo eastgate played the well if he plays back, durrrr only stays involved with a hand that beats him

Tight Ted

aya14 wrote: »

yeah he does seem like a cnut i think he was tryin to make Eastgate feel inferior.
fwiw imo eastgate played the well if he plays back, durrrr only stays involved with a hand that beats him

Yeah he played it fine. There's a hell of a lot of needling going on. A lot of it to get Durrrr out of his comfort zone and to get Zig to loosen up.

On that a6 hand it particularly annoyed me how Negranu started needling Eastgate when the hand had nothing got to do with him, seems like a Durrrr nuthugger to me.

newbie2

Is Tom Dwan a ladyboy?

Gholimoli

ocallagh wrote: »

Thought Eastgate's play with A6 was fine. Dwan seems like a bit of a cunt to me.

nah i think he should have raised the turn.
Durrr is aware of his image and there is no way he would have folded to a raise.
there are alot of other 6's that Durrr could have had that Eastgate was ahead of.

singee88

i really hate that tom dwan:mad::mad::mad: daniel negraneu all the way

Hectorjelly

The A6 hand was not played well at all, he had such a strong hand on the river. Its not like a 200nl hand between two tags (in which case it would be fine) Durrr would be used to people value check raising marginal hands on the river.

I agree it was pretty dull.

DrJFF

Hectorjelly wrote: »

The A6 hand was not played well at all, he had such a strong hand on the river. Its not like a 200nl hand between two tags (in which case it would be fine) Durrr would be used to people value check raising marginal hands on the river.

I agree it was pretty dull.

yeah i agree totally wit you about the A6 hand, eastgate is defo out of his dept and comfort level, he was commentating on ept live and admitted he gets owned at 200/400 but keeps playing, he also got pretty owned in the european cash game, he is a good player tho but better at tournaments


i thought that they are right to comment on durrrs slowness(doyle said it to howard lederer on PAD too before) cos it can be deemed as angle shooting, you saw ziggy asking did you check which breaths weakness etc
bobby baldwin nearly banned him from bobby's room too because of it

Gubbo

DrJFF wrote: »

y
bobby baldwin nearly banned him from bobby's room too because of it

Who nearly got banned? Doyle for asking to hurry up, Dwan for playing slow or Ziigmund for asking things out of turn?

DrJFF

Gubbo wrote: »

Who nearly got banned? Doyle for asking to hurry up, Dwan for playing slow or Ziigmund for asking things out of turn?

dwan for angle shooting

phantom_lord

dwan for doing subtle checks.

DrJFF

phantom_lord wrote: »

dwan for doing subtle checks.

which could be interpreted as angle shooting

Lafortezza

Benyamine looked terrifed in any hands he played.

El Stuntman

lafortezza wrote: »

Benyamine looked terrifed in any hands he played.

didn't look well either imo

keane2097

I didn't think it was a bad show to be fair - I think we're going to have a problem this year though in that most of the interesting hands are going to involve durrr and so most of the hands we see are going to be slooooooooow so we'll undoubtedly get less hands per episode than other seasons.

I wish they'd dump Eli Elezra - he's such a clown...

El Stuntman

keane2097 wrote: »

I wish they'd dump Eli Elezra - he's such a clown...

but he's so happy all the time!

aya14

keane2097 wrote: »

I didn't think it was a bad show to be fair - I think we're going to have a problem this year though in that most of the interesting hands are going to involve durrr and so most of the hands we see are going to be slooooooooow so we'll undoubtedly get less hands per episode than other seasons.

I wish they'd dump Eli Elezra - he's such a clown...

That clown was +3million in live games last year

Hank Scorpio

any sign of sam farha on the show? Havent seen it yet

Hank Scorpio

lafortezza wrote: »

Benyamine looked terrifed in any hands he played.

Its hard to believe was a semi(professional) tennis player, he has just ballooned up.

Fair play to him for getting that blondie as his wife! Cant remember her name

keane2097

aya14 wrote: »

That clown was +3million in live games last year

Phil Hellmuth has 11 bracelets - does that make him impervious to accusations of being a clown too?

keane2097

nuxxx wrote: »

Fair play to him for getting that blondie as his wife! Cant remember her name

Something Benyamine I think...

aya14

keane2097 wrote: »

Phil Hellmuth has 11 bracelets - does that make him impervious to accusations of being a clown too?

now there's a clown










*point duly noted

keane2097

El Stuntman wrote: »

but he's so happy all the time!

[X] Painted on smile
[X] Is a clown

DeadMoney

I agree that Eastgate definitely looks like he is out of his comfort zone. He played the A6 hand like a standard 100nl hand would play out. I don't know why players who win the wsop main event seem to jump in to the highest and toughest games in the world just because they are now "rolled".
I believe Eastgate was a mid stakes online player before the wsop. Winning $9million or not, you don't just jump from winner at 400nl to nosebleed stakes reg. Then again, fcuk it, he's young and rich so he can do what he likes. I'd happily watch Jamie Gold donk off all of his winnings in high stakes games but Eastgate seems like a nice chap so hope he doesn't end up donating too much of it to the likes of Durrrr or PA.

Ste05

DeadMoney wrote: »

but Eastgate seems like a nice chap so hope he doesn't end up donating too much of it to the likes of Durrrr or PA.

I assumed Eastgate was only playing to keep his profile high for his sponsors, but he certainly is way out of his depth. Although Durrr, PA and Benyamine are on a different level to the rest of the table. So he's probably not all that worse then Negreanu, Elezra, Doyle, Barry etc. etc. Ziigy prob falls between the 2 sets of players IMO, AFAIK his specialist game is PLO more so then NLHE. I really wish he'd loosen up hopefully something will tilt him later and he'll do some of his batsh1t crazy plays.

zuutroy

Eastgate was one of the biggest winners on Prima in the HSNL games before he won the WSOP, so I don't think he's anything near out of his depth at that table and even if he wasn't, there's very few people who if they won the ME would turn down a seat on HSP imo.

El Stuntman

zuutroy wrote: »

Eastgate was one of the biggest winners on Prima in the HSNL games before he won the WSOP, so I don't think he's anything near out of his depth at that table and even if he wasn't, there's very few people who if they won the ME would turn down a seat on HSP imo.

I would!

what's in it for you, seriously?

zuutroy

El Stuntman wrote: »

I would!

what's in it for you, seriously?

I dunno, I think it would be an enjoyable experience to play with a mix of poker legends and amazing players and be on a TV poker show. Even if you were like -10ptbb/100 (unlikely) your expectation would be no worse than -$50k for the entire filming which is a pretty small drop in a $9m ocean.

El Stuntman

zuutroy wrote: »

I dunno, I think it would be an enjoyable experience to play with a mix of poker legends and amazing players and be on a TV poker show. Even if you were like -10ptbb/100 (unlikely) your expectation would be no worse than -$50k for the entire filming which is a pretty small drop in a $9m ocean.

from what I saw in EP1 of the current ESP:

Doyle: old nit, seems more interested in food these days :pac:

Elezra: on happy drugs, probably dangerous :eek:

Greenstein: nit, smartarse - there's only one of them allowed at the table when I'm playing :pac:

Benyamine: busto staked loser, speaks French (makes him a double loser imo)

Negreanu: another smartarse

Durr: space alien :rolleyes:

Ziggy: evil space alien

Eastgate: seems like a tool, I don't like him anyway :pac:

why the hell would I want to play poker with that crowd when I can lie on a beach somewhere and drink pina coladas out of coconut shells?

the only one I'd enjoy playing with is Gabe Kaplan

Mr E

Did Peter Eastgate get out of his tax committments to the Danish government? If he didn't he would have had to pay 40% on the first 4m, and 75% (!!) on anything over that. Thats over 70% of his winnings altogether. He could only keep just under $2.5m.

No idea if he got out of it though, I'm sure he has creative accountants.

Hey, if an Irishman wins this year, he can jumpstart the economy!

DeadMoney

zuutroy wrote: »

Eastgate was one of the biggest winners on Prima in the HSNL games before he won the WSOP, so I don't think he's anything near out of his depth at that table and even if he wasn't, there's very few people who if they won the ME would turn down a seat on HSP imo.

Didn't know this. Heard somewhere that he played mid stakes. My mistake. I think my jealousy of him just grew larger.

DeadMoney

Are these vids up on youtube yet, or is it just the sample clip?

zuutroy

El Stuntman wrote: »

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yeah but if you played with them, then maybe you might have something to base those opinions on, over and above what you've seen of them on the telly.

robinblinds

DeadMoney wrote: »

Are these vids up on youtube yet, or is it just the sample clip?

They're on pokertube

El Stuntman

zuutroy wrote: »

yeah but if you played with them, then maybe you might have something to base those opinions on, over and above what you've seen of them on the telly.

why would I want to destroy my irrational prejudices formed on the basis of heavily edited TV footage?

I hate you

no wait...you're OK

Clareman

If, and that is the biggest IF of all, I was the WSOP champion, I wouldn't want to be sitting down for 200k with players that 200k didn't mean anything to, I'd want to be sitting down with 20k playing people who want to play against the champion, try to bluff me off a pot or out play me.

I was very disappointed in the game, I liked this show in the past, but I think Durr is trying to hard to make himself into a poker celebrity

ianmc38

yeah Eastgate is defininitely not out of his depth. That's crazy talk. He's pretty big winner at HSNL on Stars and some other site, not sure which and I know he recently busted PeachyKeens stars roll...

I thought the show was ok. I love Eli Elezra. The guy is an absolute legend. The best part is Eli is like any regular fish you find in a $1/$2 game live. Everytime he limps a hand like 69s in EP, it makes me laugh hysterically.

I thought Eastgate played the A6 hand fine. Of course raising the turn he probably stacks Durr, but once it gets to the river, I dont think there's alot of value in raising. Eastgates image was pretty snug and if he suddenly raises that river, I dont think Durr would have put him on a bluff or a missed draw.

They should get Doyle off the show imo. Like watching a home game at the local hospice.

robinblinds

There are so many other games going on within the game that we see.

Loads of props and other variations of hands being played by other players.

Elezra, Brunson and Greenstein are famous for this. In fact the whole game is.

keane2097

El Stuntman wrote: »

from what I saw in EP1 of the current ESP:

Doyle: old nit, seems more interested in food these days :pac:

Elezra: on happy drugs, probably dangerous :eek:

Greenstein: nit, smartarse - there's only one of them allowed at the table when I'm playing :pac:

Benyamine: busto staked loser, speaks French (makes him a double loser imo)

Negreanu: another smartarse

Durr: space alien :rolleyes:

Ziggy: evil space alien

Eastgate: seems like a tool, I don't like him anyway :pac:

why the hell would I want to play poker with that crowd when I can lie on a beach somewhere and drink pina coladas out of coconut shells?

the only one I'd enjoy playing with is Gabe Kaplan

Lol nh

keane2097

Clareman wrote: »

I was very disappointed in the game, I liked this show in the past, but I think Durr is trying to hard to make himself into a poker celebrity

In fairness I'd say there are probably more people who actually have an interest in poker that don't know who Eric Seidel or Alan Cunningham is than don't know who Durrr is...

BigCityBanker

DeadMoney wrote: »

Are these vids up on youtube yet, or is it just the sample clip?

he was deffo a common sight at 50/100 before he made his way to vegas this year.

Also - Eastgate isnt a big personality, he is not out looking to have his ego massaged like so many others would, he is a down to earth 20 something yr old guy who has made it big style. The stock of both Durr and Negranu went down a long way in my estimations after there carry on in the immediate aftermath of the A6 hand.

I dont think he looks all that different on HSP than he does any other time you see him, I was at EPT copenhagen a few weeks back and he was hanging around chilling out, making time for anybody that wanted to talk to him or congratulate him - if you didnt know what he looked like you would never know it was Peter Eastgate, reigning WSOP champ. Meanwhile goons upstairs in the cash games winning DKK20k pots were going around like they owned the city of Copenhagen.

I think the poker playing community as a whole are very lucky to have him as the current champ, a) he is european b) he is a decent individual with a refined personality c) he was a legitimately established high stakes poker pro BEFORE he won the main event. He is the all round champion, far more desireable that unknowns like Yang/Gold etc and also far more desireable champ that a cock like Hellmuth. So what he might not have extracted maximum value from a strong hand - we are all guilty of it at different points - I hate the way ppl are using this hand in general as way of pointing out any of his weaknesses.

He has thus far and I expect will continue to wear the title of champion well - I couldnt be happier for him or to have him as the reigning champ.

panelb/sprayer

but people the best all together is all in

keane2097

BigCityBanker wrote: »

he was deffo a common sight at 50/100 before he made his way to vegas this year.

Also - Eastgate isnt a big personality, he is not out looking to have his ego massaged like so many others would, he is a down to earth 20 something yr old guy who has made it big style. The stock of both Durr and Negranu went down a long way in my estimations after there carry on in the immediate aftermath of the A6 hand.

I dont think he looks all that different on HSP than he does any other time you see him, I was at EPT copenhagen a few weeks back and he was hanging around chilling out, making time for anybody that wanted to talk to him or congratulate him - if you didnt know what he looked like you would never know it was Peter Eastgate, reigning WSOP champ. Meanwhile goons upstairs in the cash games winning DKK20k pots were going around like they owned the city of Copenhagen.

I think the poker playing community as a whole are very lucky to have him as the current champ, a) he is european b) he is a decent individual with a refined personality c) he was a legitimately established high stakes poker pro BEFORE he won the main event. He is the all round champion, far more desireable that unknowns like Yang/Gold etc and also far more desireable champ that a cock like Hellmuth. So what he might not have extracted maximum value from a strong hand - we are all guilty of it at different points - I hate the way ppl are using this hand in general as way of pointing out any of his weaknesses.

He has thus far and I expect will continue to wear the title of champion well - I couldnt be happier for him or to have him as the reigning champ.

As long as Durrr never wins it - his aura of smug is Clooney-esque

keane2097

panelb/sprayer wrote: »

but people the best all together is all in

What does that mean in English?

fatguy

Whenever I see Durrr I'm overwhelmed by the urge to steal his lunch money. Please tell me I'm not the only one.

DeadMoney

Durrr is socially awkward full stop! I don't think he is a prick or anything but the way he tries to convey himself as a nice guy amongst other players just doesn't come out well on TV. His darth vadar style voice doesn't do him any favours either. If you look at the likes of Ivey or Antonious in comparison, they come across as 'super cool' individuals, and thus make great poker celebs. The same applies to most poker celebs as they have at least some feature that makes for good TV.
Durrr does not have near the same presence or personality so I don't think he will become the next BIG poker celeb. It's pretty much Hollywood at the end of the day. I've no doubt he'll continue to crush for some time to come though and we'll be seeing a lot more from him.

Lafortezza

Good to see the Gabe and AJ are still on form with the commentary, Gabe's "Two and a half men" crack when Doyle was looking at durrr and Benyamine was funny.
Also lolled when Eli brought Doyle a fruit pie and Doyle gives him a "Good boy."

robinblinds

BigCityBanker wrote: »

Meanwhile goons upstairs in the cash games winning DKK20k pots were going around like they owned the city of Copenhagen.

Ah you were drunk, in fairness.