Abduction Phenomenon

jonbravo

the term ABDUCTION PHENOMENON refer's to claims of orindinary people that non-human creatures kidnapped and temporarily removed them from terrestial surroundings. the first to be widely,publicized was betty and barney hills abduction in 1961 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzX34k977Ak&feature=related

emergency room physician Dr. john g miller asks;how can a person have any firmly belief about this when its so mysterious, the opinions of the true believers are hard to swallow, and the opinions of the skeptics are not based on reality either, there is middle ground!?Abduction does it happen!?

iamhunted

i think its along the lines of sleep paralysis / emf radiation etc etc ... IE its mostly in our heads yet its very real to those who experience it.

jonbravo

iamhunted wrote: »

i think its along the lines of sleep paralysis / emf radiation etc etc ... IE its mostly in our heads yet its very real to those who experience it.

At least one scientist took these strange happenings seriously. john Mack, a pulitzer at harvard university who died in 2004, was ridiculed by the scientific community when he claimed in this book,'Abduction;human encounters with aliens[1994],that there was no psychological explanation for the phenomenon.he argued that abductees and he worked with 200 abductees, were not crazy and there experiences were genuine.'it,s both literally,physically happening to a degree;and its also some kind of psychological, spiritual experience occurring and originating perhaps in another dimension ... i would never say yes, there aliens taking people but i would say there is a powerful phenomenon that can't be accounted for happening..

iamhunted

i may go looking as i remember somewhere a discussion about this with scientifically backed evidence to show that microwave radiation can cause very similar experiences tp alien abduction. Its on one of the leinster paranormal shows - the guest (Rat Scabies i think it was) mentioned the guys name and everything. Must go listen and see if i can find anything on it.

Ziycon

I agree that the majority of cases can be explained by sleep paralysis but i do think there may be more to some of the reported abductee cases.

jonbravo

has anyone info on the mcpherson abduction tape i think its not real, but i've only seen 8 mins of it, only found out about the video:eek: tis week:eek:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YMQDqznddE

Ziycon

jonbravo wrote: »

has anyone info on the mcpherson abduction tape i think its not real, but i've only seen 8 mins of it, only found out about the video:eek: tis week:eek:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YMQDqznddE

I'm sorry to say that video is a fake!

Lobelia Overhill

I used to joke to a friend of mine that I'd been abducted by aliens when I was 4 years old, based on a strange dream/experience that I'd had ...
I've told the story to loads of people and posted it online. I've yet to have anyone debunk it properly - well I don't think "you're mental" is a scientific answer LOL

jonbravo

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

I used to joke to a friend of mine that I'd been abducted by aliens when I was 4 years old, based on a strange dream/experience that I'd had ...
I've told the story to loads of people and posted it online. I've yet to have anyone debunk it properly - well I don't think "you're mental" is a scientific answer LOL

and how does the story go!? any links to it!?

Lobelia Overhill

Links, no, not any more ...

Story goes like this -

prologue ... we used to live in a big semi detached victorian style house in London. The bathroom was long and narrow and had a huge arched window at the far end that had no curtain or suchlike at it (probably because it was too big/funny shape) whilst I would happily go in there in daytime, when it was dark outside it was a different story, I wouldn't even step over the threshold of the door and would go downstairs to get someone to accompany me to the loo ...

In the dream I got up, went downstairs into the living room and found "people" in there [I think 4 or 5 or them] some standing, and at least one sitting on the sofa, who turned to look at me when I ran into the room. They were short, fat, dark orangey tan and had huge black eyes ... I started to say "you're not my Mammy". And don't remember anything else.

6th

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

Links, no, not any more ...

Story goes like this -

prologue ... we used to live in a big semi detached victorian style house in London. The bathroom was long and narrow and had a huge arched window at the far end that had no curtain or suchlike at it (probably because it was too big/funny shape) whilst I would happily go in there in daytime, when it was dark outside it was a different story, I wouldn't even step over the threshold of the door and would go downstairs to get someone to accompany me to the loo ...

In the dream I got up, went downstairs into the living room and found "people" in there [I think 4 or 5 or them] some standing, and at least one sitting on the sofa, who turned to look at me when I ran into the room. They were short, fat, dark orangey tan and had huge black eyes ... I started to say "you're not my Mammy". And don't remember anything else.

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

I've yet to have anyone debunk it properly

Whats to debunk?

Lobelia Overhill

my first post wrote:

I used to joke to a friend of mine that I'd been abducted by aliens when I was 4 years old, based on a strange dream/experience that I'd had

People claiming I was scared to sit on the toilet, people claiming I've been sexually abused, y'know that sort of thing. "It was nothing to do with aliens, you're mental/stupid/drunk" etc etc etc.

Ziycon

A lot of people don't realise it but things that people are afraid to confront or accept can have a major impact on your dreams. Your sub-concise takes note of absolutely everything that you see and hear through your life, things you may not even have noticed yourself.
Hypnotic regression works in some cases to unlock these suppressed memories, just a suggestion if your interested to find out more about the dream.

Lobelia Overhill

given the options, sexual abuse or alien abduction? I'll stick with the alien abduction! kplzthnx

jonbravo

Ziycon wrote: »

A lot of people don't realise it but things that people are afraid to confront or accept can have a major impact on your dreams. Your sub-concise takes note of absolutely everything that you see and hear through your life, things you may not even have noticed yourself.
Hypnotic regression works in some cases to unlock these suppressed memories, just a suggestion if your interested to find out more about the dream.

i agree,the only point i dont accept is that alot of people dont realise what there afraid of, i think they do try and confront there fears as best they can,take this as an E.g... On valentines day this year i ran into an old friend from school[didnt see him for a long time] while i was out with my girlfriend, he 2 was with company, his friend... we had a great nite but anyway while both my girlfrend and my friend were up at the bar i took notes of the two having a good time outside of the drinking group of 4 ... i began to ask myself silly questions in my head because there interaction together was so addictive to me[just keepin my eye on my girl you know how it is,so take note of my fear of losing my gf] on the way home walking i told her she did fancy my friend as a kind of a joke but she looked at me, and said no way dont be f===ing silly.and no more was said
Now to the dream i had last nite,the two were in it...i could see them both talking outside a hospital? i went up to both[he was a doctor in the dream] and asked questions like what the f--- is going on [something i would never do while people talk by the way] without answers i picked my gf up and began moving towards the front gates of the hospital like it was normal:o
once i got to the gate my view point was from my home and i could hear a bang at the door, still with gf in the air or over my shoulder i answer'd the door to see a women or face i had never seen before and then i woke.end Eg

as my sub-concise took notes i understand it, that first i gave my mind root for his dream to happen[i realise why both were in the dream[the nite out], there for... i realise or see my fear], as a dream] mixed with a face i never had seen before.. a future dejavu...maybe
so ill ask a question
suppressed memories,fears,and a kind of a port-hole to the futrue in terms of dejavu, are they stored in the same part of the brain!?
i dont think abductions are anything to do with dreams but thats just my personal opinion!!

CodeMonkey

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

I've yet to have anyone debunk it properly

Seriously, what's to debunk? You said yourself it was a dream. Obviously if you make a big deal out of it and post the story online people will inevitably come up with all sorts of random theories like sexual abuse or alien abduction. Are you saying it can't just be a dream a scared child had?

Lobelia Overhill

CodeMonkey wrote: »

Seriously, what's to debunk? You said yourself it was a dream. Obviously if you make a big deal out of it and post the story online people will inevitably come up with all sorts of random theories like sexual abuse or alien abduction. Are you saying it can't just be a dream a scared child had?

my original post on this thread wrote:

I used to joke to a friend of mine that I'd been abducted by aliens

this is what people are debunking, not the dream, the notion that it meant I'd been abducted by aliens.

m'kay?

quad_red

A few years ago was over in Newcastle staying with mates from college. Went on the beer for a few days and on the last night had the most horrifying experience. Woke up really disturbed. Saw a programme years later on the 'old hag syndrome' ie. sleep paralysis leading to a terrible hallucinations.

Nailed it on the head. But that's not to say it was not an indescribably vivid and terrifying experience and the next morning I was truly flabbergasted at it. But that's what it was.

Having experienced it first hand, I think someone could easily get carried away and think it was something far more sinister or extraordinary.

Deki

I seem to remember that the case of Betty and Barney Hill was of an abduction that took place on a road in New England somewhere and they weren't sleeping so couldn't have been sleep paralysis. They saw first a craft of some sort illuminated in a night sky. They stopped the car, I guess for a better look, and were "taken". They were subjected to some physical examinations and released - but there was time missing where they couldn't explain. For some reason they were hypnotized and then began remembering. Assuming they were telling the truth what would cause both of them to halucinate the same scenario ? Anyone have any waking abduction stories? That, I think, would be very interesting- if you're willing to talk about them.

jonbravo

Deki wrote: »

I seem to remember that the case of Betty and Barney Hill was of an abduction that took place on a road in New England somewhere and they weren't sleeping so couldn't have been sleep paralysis. They saw first a craft of some sort illuminated in a night sky. They stopped the car, I guess for a better look, and were "taken". They were subjected to some physical examinations and released - but there was time missing where they couldn't explain. For some reason they were hypnotized and then began remembering. Assuming they were telling the truth what would cause both of them to halucinate the same scenario ? Anyone have any waking abduction stories? That, I think, would be very interesting- if you're willing to talk about them.

Pease air force base, whose radar covers the indian head area,reported tracking an unknown object in the early hours of september 19th ,1961. so there is little doubt the betty and barney hill did see a ufo that night and you can look that up.
it is also possible that the 2 extra hours the hills spent watching the strange light,and stopping to get closer to look,may have accounted for two hours.

Deki

Thanks for the information. That sort of makes it more baffling. I seem to recall that one or other of them claimed they were shown some kind of space maps- or am I getting my stories mixed? I suppose you could just look at a strange craft for a couple of hours but why would you then make up an abduction episode? If a person saw a UFO up close that would be story enough. I guess I'm just the believing kind but I tend to think that they told the truth. Forty- seven years later still no definate proof and the argument goes on. Thanks again for the radar info that was something I didn't know.

jonbravo

Deki wrote: »

Thanks for the information. That sort of makes it more baffling. I seem to recall that one or other of them claimed they were shown some kind of space maps- or am I getting my stories mixed? I suppose you could just look at a strange craft for a couple of hours but why would you then make up an abduction episode? If a person saw a UFO up close that would be story enough. I guess I'm just the believing kind but I tend to think that they told the truth. Forty- seven years later still no definate proof and the argument goes on. Thanks again for the radar info that was something I didn't know.

spot on deki!! there was a so called star map shown to betty hill by an alien being, under hypnosis betty drew a copy of the star map the alien had shown her and in 1974 marjorie fish an amateur astronomer,constructed another map based on bettys,she decided that the pattern suggested the aliens came from zeta reticuli a star system about 3.7 light years away from earth....
however carl sagan a famous astronomer used computers to study marjorie fishs map, and found that the zeta reticuli star system bore little similarity to bettys star map.
after barney died in 1969, betty reported many encounters with aliens.
as a result ,many people began to doubt the truth of her original story.

the travis walton case study november 5th 1975 however stands out for me as a valid case, in that not all forestry workers there could have being hallucinating or shared the same hallucination.
and then theres 5 days missing....
feel free to ask about any case study regarding abduction phenomenon i dont know all, only a little:o...thanks for posting:)

jonbravo

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-196566585621115652&ei=UHfTSYqLHITz-Abh-JCgBQ&q=unsolved+mysteries unsolved mysteries abduction phenomenon,
i watched this stuff alot a few years ago.

jonbravo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92k1L934Vek

just a short video, abduction and jesus!?

jonbravo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_vIpxvb2wg&feature=related
dr steven greer talks about alien and abduction phenomenon

Duff

jonbravo wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_vIpxvb2wg&feature=related
dr steven greer talks about alien and abduction phenomenon

Great link. Thanks for that. The bit about the Travis Walton case is very interesting.

jonbravo

Duff wrote: »

Great link. Thanks for that. The bit about the Travis Walton case is very interesting.

no problem. travis walton case is very interesting even after all this time.
the unsolved mysteries link has some interesting case's 2....interesting thing about them case's, hardly any were asleep at the time of there abduction.......which rules out dreaming.....but not day dreaming:)

Duff

jonbravo wrote: »

no problem. travis walton case is very interesting even after all this time.
the unsolved mysteries link has some interesting case's 2....interesting thing about them case's, hardly any were asleep at the time of there abduction.......which rules out dreaming.....but not day dreaming:)

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I'm gonna watch it now. Probably not the best idea before bed!:pac:

jonbravo

Duff wrote: »

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I'm gonna watch it now. Probably not the best idea before bed!:pac:

this is fine to watch its all about alien love ha, dont be like me and watch william cooper videos before bed........you'll be awake all nite like...:eek:...:D

Duff

haha, the other night I watched some documentary on disclose.tv about a ''skinwalker'' or something before I went to bed and I was literally awake for 4 hours thinking I was hearing it outside! :O lol. Gonna take a big stick to bed with me!

jonbravo

Duff wrote: »

haha, the other night I watched some documentary on disclose.tv about a ''skinwalker'' or something before I went to bed and I was literally awake for 4 hours thinking I was hearing it outside! :O lol. Gonna take a big stick to bed with me!

A documentary about my ex!!!!:D,enjoy the link...Feel free to have a discussion on abduction phenomenon here any time.

Lobelia Overhill

Deki wrote: »

Anyone have any waking abduction stories?

Wasn't there a case where someone (a politician IIRC) saw a woman being abducted from her apartment one night?

or was that debunked?

Anything that happened to me happened without my knowing about it, I was only ever left with physical "evidence"

jonbravo

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

Wasn't there a case where someone (a politician IIRC) saw a woman being abducted from her apartment one night?

or was that debunked?

Anything that happened to me happened without my knowing about it, I was only ever left with physical "evidence"

there was, [evidence]:) do you know more about that case!?

Duff

jonbravo wrote: »

there was, [evidence]:) do you know more about that case!?

Is this the case where a NY politican was a witness

Lobelia Overhil

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

given the options, sexual abuse or alien abduction? I'll stick with the alien abduction! kplzthnx

Thats a great theory , maybe there is no such thing as sexual abuse either. People are just falling on their hole and screaming rape in the fear of ridicule for being clumsey.

Lobelia Overhill

Duff wrote: »

Is this the case where a NY politican was a witness

Yes, I don't remember the whole thing, but he supposedly saw a woman being taken from her apartment while being driven home one evening. I got the impression it'd been debunked at some point in time ...

jonbravo

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

Yes, I don't remember the whole thing, but he supposedly saw a woman being taken from her apartment while being driven home one evening. I got the impression it'd been debunked at some point in time ...

november 30th 1989 3:00 a.m.
ufo over NYC the case of linda cortile

on the nite of november 30th 1989 richard and dan [who said they were police officer's and wrote to ufologist, budd hopkins regarding the ufo and the woman they seen being adbucted]but we only have there first names which is suspicious.

the mystery man, many suggest the police officer's were escorting Perez de cuellar ,then secretary general of the united nations...he has never spoken about it.
but there are multiple witnesses.

mysterious

I can't believe I haven't been obducted yet, not once in my life:eek:

Although did have a dream where they want to access my mind via that way interdimensionally, it was over my dead body:mad: I stopped the dream or whatever that was.

So that was the only experience's I've had. I'm not sure what to make of all these abduction experiences. There has to be something other than taking people into spaceships at random. Like what are the simalarities between the abductees.

Bear in mind guys a good 30percent of them are away in the fairies, why I say that, I've seen bagillon cases in America where all the hillybillys claim to have been abducted did it for the craic of fame and fortune. for every Abduction report out of 10, I'd say nearly half of them are imaginary or fake.

Deki

I think probably the "fame" might be a reason not to tell anyone. If I saw or experienced something that was just "too weird" I think I'd have to think about it a long while before telling the public. The trauma of something like that happening in the first place would have me freakin out let alone my friends and neighbors laughing and calling me a looney. Why would anyone want to set themselves up for that?

jonbravo

mysterious wrote: »

I can't believe I haven't been obducted yet, not once in my life:eek:

Although did have a dream where they want to access my mind via that way interdimensionally, it was over my dead body:mad: I stopped the dream or whatever that was.

So that was the only experience's I've had. I'm not sure what to make of all these abduction experiences. There has to be something other than taking people into spaceships at random. Like what are the simalarities between the abductees.

Bear in mind guys a good 30percent of them are away in the fairies, why I say that, I've seen bagillon cases in America where all the hillybillys claim to have been abducted did it for the craic of fame and fortune. for every Abduction report out of 10, I'd say nearly half of them are imaginary or fake.

THOUSANDS of people claim to have being abducted by aliens ,so can you really be sure it won't happen to you!? they haven't harmed us yet just kidnapped before ha.

jonbravo

Deki wrote: »

I think probably the "fame" might be a reason not to tell anyone. If I saw or experienced something that was just "too weird" I think I'd have to think about it a long while before telling the public. The trauma of something like that happening in the first place would have me freakin out let alone my friends and neighbors laughing and calling me a looney. Why would anyone want to set themselves up for that?

this post reminds me of this....

something was out here. the dog was howling and barking wildly.
Mr sutton thought it might be a stranger approaching the farm house. the dog wouldn't act like that, if a friend was coming by, also the farm house was full that nite the sutton's were entertaining their friends billy ray and june taylor.
in all their were eight adults and three children who would witness the horror's the night was to bring.
at around 7:00 p.m, billy ray came in from the yard claiming he had seen a bright object in a dried up riverbed nearby....but no one believed him.

Around one hour later Mr sutton came to believe something was really wrong so he decided to go outside and investigate and billy ray was with him.
outside in the yard they looked around to see what was upsetting the dog .in the distance across a field they caught sight of a strange light gradually approaching the farm .
as the light came closer the men were amazed by what they saw,a creature only 3ft tall.
terrified the men sped back to the house cowering in the door way, they fired at the creature it was thrown back somersaulting throught the air into the darkness.
ray and sutton realized the bullets had ricocheted off the being.
They rushed into the house and threw their combined weight against the door to keep it shut.as they panted trying to catch their breath they heard one of the children scream.
the men ren into the kitchen and saw a alien creature staring in at the window, sutton fired and the thing disappeared into the gloom,
ray went to check the body as he stepped onto the porch, sutton rushed ray back inside as the creature was still alive.
Everybody listened in stunned silence as their could hear scratching and scampering above on the roof,
sutton re-loaded and stormed outside and blasted at the creature yet the creature seemed un-harmed.

they were besieged......

For three hours everyone inside waited for the nightmare to end
by 11:00 they decided one the count of three everyone would burst out of the door and to the parked cars, as they did and sped 10 mile to hopkinsville and piled into the police station....

The suttons suffered from the publicity surrounding events john sutton lost his job and local people were hostile to them

sutton farm,kelly,near hopkinsville,kentucky,usa.....August 21st, 1955.

Lobelia Overhill

jonbravo wrote: »

november 30th 1989 3:00 a.m.
ufo over NYC the case of linda cortile

on the nite of november 30th 1989 richard and dan [who said they were police officer's and wrote to ufologist, budd hopkins regarding the ufo and the woman they seen being adbucted]but we only have there first names which is suspicious.

the mystery man, many suggest the police officer's were escorting Perez de cuellar ,then secretary general of the united nations...he has never spoken about it.
but there are multiple witnesses.

*ding* that's the bunny! I think there was something about them not being able to give their full names for security reasons ...

jonbravo

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

*ding* that's the bunny! I think there was something about them not being able to give their full names for security reasons ...

theres still more to that case i didnt point it all out.

Lobelia Overhill

ah g'wan and tell us the rest of it!! I can only remember the vague details of people in a car seeing something and not being able to say anything for security reasons ...

mysterious

jonbravo wrote: »

THOUSANDS of people claim to have being abducted by aliens ,so can you really be sure it won't happen to you!? they haven't harmed us yet just kidnapped before ha.

Yes of course, but alot of it is bull****. Seriously I'd believe the government would be more inclined to abduct people than these aliens.

My question is this, What speciality do you need to have to be abducted. People tell me I'm not from this planet. How come my hybrid bloood hasn't been on the drip yet? What do you need to be in order for the greys and plieadians to come for you.

I know the galaxy is teeming with life, and has 200billion stars, why like this, why is it secretive, why abduct some people and not others. Why let them live and have them with the memories.

Have there been any studies into this.
The only vague study I've read, was that most people with RH - blood are more likely to be abducted than apes like me. O positive.

jonbravo

mysterious wrote: »

Yes of course, but alot of it is bull****. Seriously I'd believe the government would be more inclined to abduct people than these aliens.

My question is this, What speciality do you need to have to be abducted. People tell me I'm not from this planet. How come my hybrid bloood hasn't been on the drip yet? What do you need to be in order for the greys and plieadians to come for you.

I know the galaxy is teeming with life, and has 200billion stars, why like this, why is it secretive, why abduct some people and not others. Why let them live and have them with the memories.

Have there been any studies into this.
The only vague study I've read, was that most people with RH - blood are more likely to be abducted than apes like me. O positive.

you question is something thats unknown to this day.
Its common for the person to have never seen a UFO before, never mind think they had a abduction.
theres an abduction lecture by budd hopkins, someone asks that very question 1hour:41min:53seconds in if you dont want to look at the full thing.
abductions seem to be something you cant see in lots of case's, but not in linda cortile's case. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8263911612887419105

jonbravo

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

ah g'wan and tell us the rest of it!! I can only remember the vague details of people in a car seeing something and not being able to say anything for security reasons ...

under hypnosis linda recalled the night of 30th novmber 1989.

she woke to find four creature's in her bedroom that nite, she couldnt move,
all together they drifted through the window as if it wasn't there, in a blue beam of light to a craft above the rooftops[the apartment was 12 floors above].
15 mouths later richard and dan[police officers that wrote to budd] this is what they wrote.
everything was going smoothly until they crossed brooklyn bridge suddenly the engine of the limousine they were using cut out ,as they sat mystified in the silent car both the police officers and there important passenger saw an incredible sight.
high above them a women in a flowing white nightgown drifted through the night sky into a spacecraft. once disappeared inside the spacecraft the ufo sped away over the city toward the east river without slowing down it plunged under the surface of the water and disappeared,richard and dan waited ,watching the river for nearly an hour worried for the womens safety.
in november 1991, another letter arrived. this time from janet kimble
she explained that on that night she was driving on brooklyn bridge and again the engine thing happened again.
janet realized that all the lights were out on the bridge,all cars also on the bridge were stoped,in short the storys all matched each other,
An alien abduction witnessed by several unconnected individuals is a rare occurrence, there are certain factors which make the stories of the four witnesses less convincing then they might appear at first.

my last post[above] theres a link to budd hopkins,this story comes up.

Woger

In fairness that kind of thing happens in New York all the time so no-one would pay any attention.

scully74

i suffer from sleep paralysis, its scary, i am very interested in the ufo stuff, i do believe you could mistake it for abduction. once i felt like i was been pulled out of bottom of bed, and i could feel the covers sliding underneath me.....

Woger

scully74 wrote: »

i suffer from sleep paralysis, its scary, i am very interested in the ufo stuff, i do believe you could mistake it for abduction. once i felt like i was been pulled out of bottom of bed, and i could feel the covers sliding underneath me.....

Did you have an Indian take away before?:eek:
Seriously, those night terrors where you think someone is smothering you are freaky too, I can see how extreme cases of this can lead to the incubus/sucubus myths.

jonbravo

scully74 wrote: »

i suffer from sleep paralysis, its scary, i am very interested in the ufo stuff, i do believe you could mistake it for abduction. once i felt like i was been pulled out of bottom of bed, and i could feel the covers sliding underneath me.....

i believe you could mis-take it as an abduction but take note that most person's think its a ghost/spirit also,there's some interesting stuff in the links.
i also just have an interest in the subject.....what/how do you feel when you think of the word abduction!?