Sky refuse to take back old satellite dish... WEEE Directive?

Tony

thebman wrote: »

Why because you say so?

Why? Because its a fact, copper wire is used in telecoms too but thats not in WEEE either. There is no PRF charge on a satellite dish therefore it is not in the scheme. You are confusing the LNB with the dish, two separate items. The thread is abaout sky not taking back a dish and your arguement is irrelevant since sky themselves say they will take it back.

thebman wrote: »

It is a piece of telecommunications equipment so from the directive, it does fall under WEEE.

Why because you say so?

thebman

Tony wrote: »

Why? Because its a fact, copper wire is used in telecoms too but thats not in WEEE either. There is no PRF charge on a satellite dish therefore it is not in the scheme. You are confusing the LNB with the dish, two separate items. The thread is abaout sky not taking back a dish and your arguement is irrelevant since sky themselves say they will take it back.

Sky aren't a charity. It would seem obvious to me that their lawyers worked out that they are in fact within the scheme from the documents I linked to above.

The LNB and the dish are part of the same system. Same way the computer game is included in the scheme even though it is only used in the console and does not come with a PRF charge on it. You don't plug a computer game in, it is useless on its own but it is still part of the system just like a satellite dish is useless on its own.

Why because you say so?

The documents I linked to clearly state that it is part of the WEEE. The second document is entitled Retail Ireland WEEE Regulations Compliance
Guidance Note.

Retail Ireland is the representative body within IBEC for the entire retail sector in Ireland. It represents department stores, major supermarket groups, symbol groups and a whole range of specialist retailers.

So no not because I say so because all of the above people say so. If you are saying I'm mistaken you are saying they are mistaken or lying and that the council of Europe are mistaken or lying about the directive they wrote. Telecommunications equipment clearly falls under this scheme.

Also there is the below document from weeeregister.ie which specifies both the satellite receiver and the LNB separately. There is not supposed to be a tax on the dish, it falls under 0 Eur PRF category but it is within the scheme and should be accepted for return IMO.
http://www.weeeregister.ie/files/WEEE%20Register%20Category%20Listing%205.1.pdf

Tony

What exactly are you trying to argue here? Sky state that they will take the dish back which is the whole point of the thread, the installer should have offered to take it back. Have you a dish that sky refused to take yourself ? If not then you are just argueing for the sake of it and frankly flogging a dead horse.

Ring up your local retalier collection point and ask them if they accept satellite dishes

thebman wrote: »

Sky aren't a charity. It would seem obvious to me that their lawyers worked out that they are in fact within the scheme from the documents I linked to above.

Liam Byrne

+1 if Sky DIDN'T say they would take it back, then there'd be a discussion on whether or not it was included.

But since they DID say that they would, the law is an irrelevant/moot point, and their installers should honour that.

Seller : "I'll give you a new car"
thebman : "Does the law say you have to ? How did your lawyers decide that ?"

thebman

Tony wrote: »

What exactly are you trying to argue here? Sky state that they will take the dish back which is the whole point of the thread, the installer should have offered to take it back. Have you a dish that sky refused to take yourself ? If not then you are just argueing for the sake of it and frankly flogging a dead horse.

Ring up your local retalier collection point and ask them if they accept satellite dishes

Sky aren't the only satellite tv provider. There are also free to air installers which should be adhering to the directive and independent companies selling the dishes that should be accepting these dishes that may not be or could be telling people they do not have to. That is wrong.

Liam Byrne wrote: »

+1 if Sky DIDN'T say they would take it back, then there'd be a discussion on whether or not it was included.

But since they DID say that they would, the law is an irrelevant/moot point, and their installers should honour that.

Sky aren't the only installers and in this case, their man refused to and was breaking the WEEE directive when refusing to. That is different to Sky not adhering to company policy. This infringement should be reported to Sky that their installer has broken the directive.

Seller : "I'll give you a new car"
thebman : "Does the law say you have to ? How did your lawyers decide that ?"

No I'll accept a new car but only as long as I have the relevant documentation to say I own it. I'm not going to jump in the car and drive off and get pulled over 2 miles down the road for not having proof of ownership.

Anyway besides the point of the thread, this is the first case I can see online of this discussion occurring when searching Google for the above documents. This thread is already number one in search results (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=satellite+WEEE) and as such this information can prove useful to countless other people.

Sorry for helping, I'll try to be less helpful in future

actually I won't

Tony

If this is your idea of help then please dont help anymore.

thebman wrote: »

Sorry for helping, I'll try to be less helpful in future

thebman

Tony wrote: »

If this is your idea of help then please dont help anymore.

It helps consumers, it helps dish sellers to know their obligations. I think it helps.

This is gone way off topic now so best to stop here I think.

Tony

thebman wrote: »

This is gone way off topic now so best to stop here I think.

That we can agree on

Solair

Rippy wrote: »

As you can dispose of scrap metal FOC at a local recycling centre, was that a huge problem for you?
Do ye really expect the installer to fill his van with rusty dishes?
Agreed he should have tided up and avoided the white rug though.

You can no longer dispose anything FOC at your local recycling centre. This is Cork! They charge you €2.00 to €3.00 to access the recycling centres now!

Also, just for the hell of it, the City Council's only major recycling centre is 100% pedestrian unfriendly. In fact, you can't legally access it on foot as it's off a dual carriage way which has no pedestrian signage on either end.

The seller is obligated to take back like-for-like, so I really don't see why Sky, or their installers should be excused.

All this causes is scrap metal (and possibly toxic materials contained in the electronics of the LNB) to be dumped into landfill.

Onikage

http://www.weeeireland.ie/downloads/CategoryListing5.1.pdf

It seems a bit odd that the dish itself is not explicitly under a category in the same way the LNB and receiver are. PCs fall under "desktop personal computer" which is about as broad a definition as you might find. The Association of Irish Satellite Installers must have a powerful lobbby indeed

Tony

Onikage wrote: »

The Association of Irish Satellite Installers must have a powerful lobbby indeed

Where can i join Seriously the whole WEEE system in Ireland is a shambles and really badly run, their charges are also outrageous.

ynotdu

Jeez I only ordered a card from sky and cancelled within the cooling off period.I got a call from a Sky installer to Uninstall A dish from the premises&It was installed about 10 years ago.That was when Wee Directive meant I did not Sprinkle when I twinkled !