Recession isn't affecting junkies/drunks...

Highsider

If they are looking for work and can prove it they deserve the dole just like everybody else. If not they should be thrown off the dole just like everybody else. Simple really. I see a lot of these on the dole for life sorts all around the city and you just know a high percentage of them have no intention of ever getting a job. But the law is the law and all that so once they produce evidence of seeking work then they should get there money.

T-K-O

Degsy wrote: »

The bastard government saw fit to award them extra dole for thier everlasting contribution to society.

Didn't hear anything about extra dole - but I aint surprised. Those idiots couldn't run a piss up down at the Guinness factory.

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A big fat I told ya so to all those who voted FF

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Mimikyu

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Degsy

T-K-O wrote: »

Didn't hear anything about extra dole - but I aint surprised. Those idiots couldn't run a piss up down at the Guinness factory.

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A big fat I told ya so to all those who voted FF

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http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/politics/budget-2008-rise-in-pensions-social-welfare-payments-1238929.html

there ya go..and dont forget the double week at christmas..more money to spend on drugs at the taxpayers expense.

beth-lou

Yeah they should really scrap the social welfare payments altogether. Let them starve. And all those poor feckers who lose their jobs in the recession, well they can just sing for it. I mean why have a social welfare payment system at all. I think we should work on the American model, that's really good. I mean they have no social problems at all. We're muppets. :rolleyes:

Holsten

Dole, muggings and burglary would net you a nice chunk of change.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Degsy wrote: »

There's been scum like that around since forever.They're completely recession proof and the poxy government insist on upping the dole.

What are you saying exactly? People on the dole are scum?

Degsy wrote: »

The bastard government saw fit to award them extra dole for thier everlasting contribution to society.

Most people on social welfare have paid their dues...

Degsy wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/politics/budget-2008-rise-in-pensions-social-welfare-payments-1238929.html

there ya go..and dont forget the double week at christmas..more money to spend on drugs at the taxpayers expense.

Elaborate on this a little will you?

themont85

Degsy wrote: »

They're completely recession proof

Ye the public service are some shower of ***** aren't they.

Degsy

Annabelle Screeching Martinet wrote: »

What are you saying exactly? People on the dole are scum?



Most people on social welfare have paid their dues...

No,i'm not talking about everybody on the dole and you well know it,you're just stirring it.
The thread is about junkies,those that are actually scum etc.
And i'm telling you that a lot of people on social welfare have paid **** all!

shenanigans1982

Annabelle Screeching Martinet wrote: »

What are you saying exactly? People on the dole are scum?



Most people on social welfare have paid their dues...



Elaborate on this a little will you?

I would say most people here know at least one person who has been on the dole long term....even during the "good times" and has absolutely no plans of giving it up unless they are forced to.

As he said quit stirring sh*t.

MIN2511

Are junkies allowed to claim the dole? They have no fixed abode... surely with the dole majority of the homeless will have homes :S

giggsy664

beth-lou wrote: »

Yeah, the government should exterminate them all. All the down and outs, just erradicate them, thats what we should do. They're only scum.

Heil Cowen, und Mein Lippe!!

Heil!

Degsy

MIN2511 wrote: »

Are junkies allowed to claim the dole? They have no fixed abode... surely with the dole majority of the homeless will have homes :S

Not all junkies are homeless.A lot of them live at home,in flats or in digs.If they're homeless they can also claim the dole as long as they have an address of a hostel or whatever.

RaverRo808

beth-lou wrote: »

I'd say they got their dole.

Junkies dont spend their cash on breakfast and tea,hence why they are junkies,their day resloves around waking up from a slumber,looking for money for drugs,getting money for drugs,buying drugs,falling into a slumber from drugs,waking up from a slumber......the cycle continues,I doubt they were junkies you encountered,just scumbags

RaverRo808

Degsy wrote: »

Not all junkies are homeless.A lot of them live at home,in flats or in digs.If they're homeless they can also claim the dole as long as they have an address of a hostel or whatever.

My mate lived in a bedsit for afew months,because his job was right accross the road,Id say everyone who lived there was an alcoholic or a junkie,and they werent exactly on hard times,all had brand new tv's,xboxes and shiny white air maxes

beth-lou

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Junkies dont spend their cash on breakfast and tea,hence why they are junkies,their day resloves around waking up from a slumber,looking for money for drugs,getting money for drugs,buying drugs,falling into a slumber from drugs,waking up from a slumber......the cycle continues,I doubt they were junkies you encountered,just scumbags

Unfortunately I know all too well how a junkie acts. I have one for a brother, well he's now on methadone and has just got off the streets. I'm restraining myself here and throwing back idiotic statements, because some of the ****e being sprouted here is pretty irritating.

A junkie is a scumbag to a degree, a pathetic life form, the walking dead. But they are human under that addiction and sometimes they can get out of that cycle. I just don't agree with the view that they should be written off completely by society. I understand the view people take, but it solves nothing. The view that all people on the dole are scumbags is ignorant beyond belief.

Anyway, I'd say the guys in the cafe were probably alcho's treating themselves to a nice brekkie while they had the money.

RaverRo808

beth-lou wrote: »

Unfortunately I know all too well how a junkie acts. I have one for a brother, well he's now on methadone and has just got off the streets. I'm restraining myself here and throwing back idiotic statements, because some of the ****e being sprouted here is pretty irritating.

A junkie is a scumbag to a degree, a pathetic life form, the walking dead. But they are human under that addiction and sometimes they can get out of that cycle. I just don't agree with the view that they should be written off completely by society. I understand the view people take, but it solves nothing. The view that all people on the dole are scumbags is ignorant beyond belief.

Anyway, I'd say the guys in the cafe were probably alcho's treating themselves to a nice brekkie while they had the money.

Ive no sympathy for junkies,none,and I think nobody else should,yes they are human(barely),but they are humans that made a choice full of highly dangerous addictive brwon muck up their veins,that isnt a victim,that is someone who made a consious decision to be a dirtbird,maybe back in the early 80's when nobody knew the dangers of herion and what it would do to you,but not now,its 2009,people that take herion now know well the consequnces and the reputation it has,I dont believe in rehabilitation because when someones a junkie for awhile they become permanently useless for the rest of their lives,no motor skills,physically destroyed etc,really makes my blood boil to see the amount of support they get from the state,free bus pass,extra dole money,cushy education programmes,when the average joe soap gets measily 170 quid,I hate junkies,and thats not an ignorant opinion

beth-lou

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Ive no sympathy for junkies,none,and I think nobody else should,yes they are human(barely),but they are humans that made a choice full of highly dangerous addictive brwon muck up their veins,that isnt a victim,that is someone who made a consious decision to be a dirtbird,maybe back in the early 80's when nobody knew the dangers of herion and what it would do to you,but not now,its 2009,people that take herion now know well the consequnces and the reputation it has,I dont believe in rehabilitation because when someones a junkie for awhile they become permanently useless for the rest of their lives,no motor skills,physically destroyed etc,really makes my blood boil to see the amount of support they get from the state,free bus pass,extra dole money,cushy education programmes,when the average joe soap gets measily 170 quid,I hate junkies,and thats not an ignorant opinion

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you were in the scene in the early ninties, went clubbing, probably popped a few pills here and there. I'm assuming that from your posts in the dance scene threads and the clubs you used to go to. You're not that far removed from those horrible junkies you talk about.

Maybe you don't have an addictive personality and escaped unscathed from those days, but some didn't and some were just plain stupid, and some were born into families were heroin was a daily ritual. Anyway say what you want about your opinion, but there is a lot of ignorance in your post.

Zadkiel

beth-lou wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you were in the scene in the early ninties, went clubbing, probably popped a few pills here and there. I'm assuming that from your posts in the dance scene threads and the clubs you used to go to. You're not that far removed from those horrible junkies you talk about.

Maybe you don't have an addictive personality and escaped unscathed from those days, but some didn't and some were just plain stupid, and some were born into families were heroin was a daily ritual. Anyway say what you want about your opinion, but there is a lot of ignorance in your post.

You cant assume that every one who was on the clubbing scene popped pills! I'm not entirely without sympathy for people with drug addictions, but lets not forget that its a choice they made.
And the choices that people make do have an impact on other people.

beth-lou

Zadkiel wrote: »

You cant assume that every one who was on the clubbing scene popped pills! I'm not entirely without sympathy for people with drug addictions, but lets not forget that its a choice they made.
And the choices that people make do have an impact on other people.

As I said, he can correct me if I'm wrong.

Look, junkies disgust me as much as the next person. It is a choice they make and a very selfish one at that and the impact of that choice is very destructive and tears families apart. However, sometimes there are underlying issues with regards to addictions and if and when someone wants the help to come off a substance I think it only right that they should be supported by society. They cost the state a hell of a lot more as a junkie than they do rehabilitated, so just turning your back and saying "I don't believe in rehabilitation" isn't really thinking through the whole problem.

I understand completely the anger and frustration people feel towards junkies, jesus the anger I feel is pretty big believe me. But I also know the other side of the story and sometimes, society has to help the less fortunate. It's called being civilised. I agree that most of them are looking for an easy ride and are incapable of doing anything to help themselves or to help society, but some want a chance to break out of it. And I think that should be available.

And junkies aside, there are going to be a lot of long term unemployed as a result of this recession and social welfare payments are all that will keep some families afloat, so the bashing of the system is a bit ott too.

Zadkiel

beth-lou wrote: »

They cost the state a hell of a lot more as a junkie than they do rehabilitated, so just turning your back and saying "I don't believe in rehabilitation" isn't really thinking through the whole problem.

I couldn't agree more with you

RaverRo808

beth-lou wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you were in the scene in the early ninties, went clubbing, probably popped a few pills here and there. I'm assuming that from your posts in the dance scene threads and the clubs you used to go to. You're not that far removed from those horrible junkies you talk about.

Maybe you don't have an addictive personality and escaped unscathed from those days, but some didn't and some were just plain stupid, and some were born into families were heroin was a daily ritual. Anyway say what you want about your opinion, but there is a lot of ignorance in your post.

Nope I wasnt round in the early nineties Im only twenty three,but I am partial to dance music and the scene that goes with,drugs areant my thing though,just because your into dance music doesnt mean you take drugs,I have tried them before(the likes of hash and E) admittedly but really not my thing,but I dont buy into that you've tried drugs therefore your not allowed critise drugs,thats sh*te,theres a big difference between someone who smoked a joint three or four times,or took an E or two,to a full blown chronic herion addict,its not a valid agrument,and its only used to deflect the havoc herion users reek on society...................................................................like most people in Ireland are from a working class background and many from a non-conventional family,but this is not an excuse to go on gear,if that was the case 3 quaters the country would be addicts,these junk-balls deserve no sympathy,they are the authors of their own misfortune,we should be focusing our attention on helping the homeless,the disabled,victims of domestic abuse,etc,people that are put into situations they cannot help

peteypop

thats not true u are allowed take drugs while on methadone programmes

RaverRo808

peteypop wrote: »

thats not true u are allowed take drugs while on methadone programmes

Very profound first post there!!!!!!lol