Creation science ministries?? who are they??

dalkener

heya,

Nearly crashed the car the other day heading into Bray, decided to try and get a photo when I was driving back past the sign. Posted below

Anyone fancy going along??

Zillah

I'm am so up for crashing that party. Let's get drunk first and wear T-Shirts that say things like "Darwin > Jesus" and "No Modern Anti-Biotics For Creationists".

I am absolutely serious.

sink

I think it is a methodist organisation.

Mena

These jokers perhaps?

Great for a laugh. Try the quiz. I've torn out an eyeball and stuck my head in the oven in frustration already, but hey, it's good fun.

Oh, and did you guys know that Evolution has been downgraded to an hypothesis now?

sink

Mena wrote: »

These jokers perhaps?

Great for a laugh. Try the quiz. I've torn out an eyeball and stuck my head in the oven in frustration already, but hey, it's good fun.

Oh, and did you guys know that Evolution has been downgraded to an hypothesis now?

The shoddiness of their web design mirrors the shoddiness of their beliefs.

Mena

sink wrote: »

The shoddiness of their web design mirrors the shoddiness of their beliefs.

I guess they had to use MS Frontpage or the like, can't very well use something that's evolved to suit modern times.

The Mad Hatter

we want to seriously challenge non-believers to reconsider their beliefs.

lol

kiffer

I might go...
I'd rather not see people go and be jerks though...
Just sensible and somber head shaking and calm dismantling of their misconceptions...
Nasty/silly witty t-shirts damage your arguements in the eyes of the audience, you'll never change the mind of the speakers but the audience ... You can "save". Especially after the talk cause then you can rebut stuff sensibly.

robindch

Am sorely tempted.

Zillah

kiffer wrote: »

I'd rather not see people go and be jerks though...

Well that's no fun.

GhostInTheRuins

I can't imagine there'd be many 'regular' people at it, my guess would be a crowd of both die hard creationists and atheists looking for some entertainment. Could be wrong though.

nozzferrahhtoo

Zillah wrote: »

I'm am so up for crashing that party. Let's get drunk first and wear T-Shirts that say things like "Darwin > Jesus" and "No Modern Anti-Biotics For Creationists".

I am absolutely serious.

And I am so there!

I can only go after the rugby though! Some things ARE sacred.

nozzferrahhtoo

kiffer wrote: »

I might go...
I'd rather not see people go and be jerks though...
Just sensible and somber head shaking and calm dismantling of their misconceptions...
Nasty/silly witty t-shirts damage your arguements in the eyes of the audience, you'll never change the mind of the speakers but the audience ... You can "save". Especially after the talk cause then you can rebut stuff sensibly.

Damn you are right of course. Ok I am so there for this idea instead!

But cant we... you know..... get a LITTLE drunk first?

Burgo

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Damn you are right of course. Ok I am so there for this idea instead!

But cant we... you know..... get a LITTLE drunk first?

depends on your definition :P

Vokes

Saw that sign the other day too. Also nearly made the brother crash with my yelp of indignation :pac:

The Mad Hatter

Vokes wrote: »

Saw that sign the other day too. Also nearly made the brother crash with my yelp of indignation :pac:

P'raps we could take them to court for causing a hazard?

eoin5

Hey I guess its keeping the hotels in business. In other news:

Creationist Food

Húrin

I think that creationists make such a big deal out of evolution because they think that by making a foolhardy attempt to approach the science "table", they are engaging in innovative evangelising.

I think that atheists pay so much attention to creationists because they so conveniently fit in with the narrative (which has been revived by Dawkins) that religious people are generally foolish and blind, and that atheists are intelligent, rational beings.

Dave!

Húrin wrote: »

I think that creationists make such a big deal out of evolution because they think that by making a foolhardy attempt to approach the science "table", they are engaging in innovative evangelising.

I think that atheists pay so much attention to creationists because they so conveniently fit in with the narrative (which has been revived by Dawkins) that religious people are generally foolish and blind, and that atheists are intelligent, rational beings.

Yeah that's probably why.





....uhhh.....

Calibos

I live a few hundred yards from the Esplanade Hotel so I might pop down too. How will I recognise my atheist brethren though. Should we all were upside down cruxifixes on neck chains, or maybe flying teapot cosy's as wooly hats or how about we all head to a formal attire rental shop and arrive down in our Monkey suits

Húrin

Dave! wrote: »

Yeah that's probably why.


....uhhh.....

1. argument
2. ???
3. profit!

nozzferrahhtoo

What symbology do you need? Good ideas are hard to miss.

I am actually semi serious about attending this. I will be in the area, I will be free and myself and a drinking buddy were thinking of something to do that night. For me it is all down to asking what he wants to do that night

Why arrange to meet or anything before hand? We should just agree who is actually going to be there. Just go along, stick up your hand politely during Q+A and politely ask your question and make your point and POLITELY sit down and shut up regardless of what the answer is in the common decorum for any event of this nature...... and I am sure by the end of the session we will be wearing our identification on our lips as clear as any upside down cross.

Dave!

Húrin wrote: »

1. argument
2. ???
3. profit!

I'm certain the Cobb County Board stickers speak for themselves. Carry on trolling though.

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Why arrange to meet or anything before hand? We should just agree who is actually going to be there. Just go along, stick up your hand politely during Q+A and politely ask your question and make your point and POLITELY sit down and shut up regardless of what the answer is in the common decorum for any event of this nature...... and I am sure by the end of the session we will be wearing our identification on our lips as clear as any upside down cross.

*puts up hand*
Dave: "So em... this is satire, right? Like you don't really believe this crap do you?"
Nut: "Of course we do"
Dave: "Oh... oh... right..."
*sits down*

darjeeling

Calibos wrote: »

How will I recognise my atheist brethren though.

You should have received a mark on your forehead or your right hand when you signed up. Dades might have some left.

eoin5 wrote: »

In other news: Creationist Food

Picnic food:
Take two loaves and five fishes. Multiply. Feeds 5,000.

Wine:
Take four pints of water. Bless.

Coat!

Mena

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

stick up your hand politely during Q+A and politely ask your question and make your point and POLITELY sit down

That's simple enough

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

and shut up regardless of what the answer is

But here lieth the problem. I'd never be able to control myself once they deliver the stock responses we all know they will.

Dave!

eoin5 wrote: »

Hey I guess its keeping the hotels in business. In other news:

Creationist Food

The review

5.0 out of 5 stars Meticulous science, February 19, 2003
By A Customer
It's good to see a book on nutrition that has applied the principles of science so vigorously. I'm sure that everyone who reads this book will start to feel better immediately.

nozzferrahhtoo

Mena wrote: »

TBut here lieth the problem. I'd never be able to control myself once they deliver the stock responses we all know they will.

I know I know!

But watch the debates on you tube! Look at, for example the end of the hitchens V hitchens debate.

Is there anything worse than an audience member who asks his question and either a) goes off on a COMPLETE rant instead of asking a question or b) stands there and protests at length about the answer he was given?

If I turned into one of those people, I would hand my head in shame.... using a noose. I really would.

darjeeling

darjeeling wrote: »

Picnic food:
Take two loaves and five fishes. Multiply. Feeds 5,000.

A reader writes: "I tried your loaves and fishes recipe and it didn't work. We had to make do with the smallest sandwiches ever."

My fault entirely - I got the quantities wrong. Five loaves, two fishes, and away you go.

Húrin

Dave! wrote: »

I'm certain the Cobb County Board stickers speak for themselves. Carry on trolling though.

Was your post supposed to be a counter argument?

nozzferrahhtoo

It is hard to counter an argument that was never presented Hurin.

What were you actually saying with the above? It was not exactly the clearest fourish syllable comment in the world. It was more llike, as was said above, trolling..... the posting of a couple of meaningless words in the hope of causing angry reaction.... troll 101 to me.

Dave!

Húrin wrote: »

Was your post supposed to be a counter argument?

Yes, the argument, rather concisely captured in my original post, was that there is evidentally a very obvious alternative reason for "paying so much attention to Creationists" than because it fits in with the narrative of religious people being stupid...

...I may as well anticipate your feigned naivity and spell it out further...

...and that is that creationists make alot of noise and can have a very real effect. The Cobb County Education board having stickers that undermine evolution added to biology textbooks is an example of this.

...I'll anticipate you disingenuously acting as though it doesn't undermine evolution at all and is in fact encouraging skeptical thought...

If the board were really interested in encouraging skeptical thought with relation to science then they would add such stickers to all science books and urge caution with relation to atomic and gravitational theory among others. They do not. They single out evolution, which undermines it.

Zombrex

Húrin wrote: »

I think that atheists pay so much attention to creationists because they so conveniently fit in with the narrative (which has been revived by Dawkins) that religious people are generally foolish and blind, and that atheists are intelligent, rational beings.

And because there is a massive, and very well funded, international religious movement spanning 3 major religions trying to drag scientific standards back to the dark ages

but, yeah, mainly your one :rolleyes:

Dave!

I wonder do they have permission to put their sign there btw...

GhostInTheRuins

Also, by attending this you will be funding the creationist movement!

How ironic that this creation 'science' ministries group get their funding from atheists looking for an argument

eoin5

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Also, by attending this you will be funding the creationist movement!

How ironic that this creation 'science' ministries group get their funding from atheists looking for an argument

Its not free?! That makes no sense

Zombrex

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Also, by attending this you will be funding the creationist movement!

How ironic that this creation 'science' ministries group get their funding from atheists looking for an argument

Well if we are going to go along and destroy their faith the least we can do is pay the entrance fee :pac:

The Mad Hatter

eoin5 wrote: »

Its not free?! That makes no sense

Well neither does creationism.

Galvasean

Why go there when I can argue about Creationism in the superthread?

MrPudding

Galvasean wrote: »

Why go there when I can argue about Creationism in the superthread?

Cos you get to see what the idiots look like. Then, if you recognise any of them that work in universities or are supposed to be scientists you can "out" them as creationists and get them fired form theirs jobs, as is our duty as paid up members of the Atheist Materialist Conspiracy (TM,) or had you forgotten?

MrP

Mena

MrPudding wrote: »

Cos you get to see what the idiots look like. Then, if you recognise any of them that work in universities or are supposed to be scientists you can "out" them as creationists and get them fired form theirs jobs, as is our duty as paid up members of the Atheist Materialist Conspiracy (TM,) or had you forgotten?

MrP

How do you recognise the real creationist from the atheist trying to stir up trouble?

I guess you could use the T-Shirt test... Anyone with something along the lines of " :D:pac::eek::D:p:D:pac::p:p " displayed is fair game.

Zillah

Wait, who says there's an entrance fee?

Also, I just realised that getting to Bray is no easy task for me. Either way, if there's a tall guy in dark clothes laughing his ass off at the back, you can assume it's me.

GhostInTheRuins

Wicknight wrote: »

Well if we are going to go along and destroy their faith the least we can do is pay the entrance fee :pac:

I seriously doubt any creationists that will be at it will have their beliefs easily swayed.

Nodin

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

I seriously doubt any creationists that will be at it will have their beliefs easily swayed.

Well, lets take a look at their last Newsletter, Dec 24th 2008.....First section "Did Noahs Flood Cover the Whole Earth", second paragraph....That might give an idea of the parameters of discussion they're open to....

The Bible, which is the inerrant, infallible, and inspired Word of God, tells us in Genesis that the highest hills under the whole of heaven were covered by water.

(my bold and underline)
http://www.creationscienceministries.org/wigac/nl122408.htm

Obviously loads of room for manouvere there then.

GhostInTheRuins

Haha, good find.

Goduznt Xzst

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

I seriously doubt any creationists that will be at it will have their beliefs easily swayed.

Yeah I mean its equally as difficult as going to an Aslan concert and trying to convince anyone from Dublin there that the rest of Ireland, and the rest of the world for that matter, thinks Aslan are utter sh!te.... they just won't accept it

AtomicHorror

I'm working on a Powerpoint presentation called "Why I Believe in Evolution". Think they'll let me run it by way of asking a question?

Was also thinking I'd bring a banana along to demonstrate that, whilst they do indeed perfectly fit the human hand, they also fit perfectly into a creationist's bum. Coincidence?

Dave!

Might wanna bring some lube for the latter part of your demonstration, AH!

AtomicHorror

Dave! wrote: »

Might wanna bring some lube for the latter part of your demonstration, AH!

God abhors lubricants.

Goduznt Xzst

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Was also thinking I'd bring a banana along to demonstrate that, whilst they do indeed perfectly fit the human hand, they also fit perfectly into a creationist's bum. Coincidence?

Dude, I would seriously put money into a pot for you to get up and say that, although I won't be able to be there so video proof from a cameraphone or something would suffice. It would be also good to stand there silent with raised eyebrows after saying "coincidence?" as if expecting an answer to your hypothethical question

Are these the same guys who did the talk in the Spa hotel in Lucan a while back?
It's got the same title anyway.

RHRN

I'm nearly sure it is.
I recognised the poster and I'm sure its the one that was all round Lucan a while back.