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Security at live tournaments

  • 13-02-2009 4:48pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭


    I just came across a post on another forum about the security of poker events these days.

    What i read got me thinkin, forget about people cheating or crooked dealers selling chips but what about the security of the bottom line, the cold hard cash on the premises?
    From what i think i understand tournament organisers are not supposed to have more than €10k in cash on the premises.

    What happens to that 10k was to get robbed mid tournament or anytime after you've paid your entry for that matter, a disgruntled employee just walks out with it or something?

    I've never heard of tournament directors taking out insurance for the event but should it be something they should think about?

    Its ok for the likes of the fitz and so on there full time casino's that would have there sh1t heavy safes and that so its not like they'd be targeted but what would happen to the normal punter who paid his say €250 entry?

    Are the organisers held responsable for the money that they collected or is it a case of well its not our fault dont get angry at us?

    I'd be very interested to hear do any tournament organisers take proper steps to secure the actual cash those people are sitting on those tables trying to win? I know slingin a half ton safe into the back of the van to bring to a tournament is not really an opton but the article i read has got me thinkin about how safe players money really is? :confused::confused::confused:


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭ITT-Pat


    Regardless of whether the cash was secure or insecure, the organisers would be responsible for the money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Donkathon


    yes thats what i thought but what if they just turn around well its not my fault, i dont think that they are obliged to refund the stolen money i know morally yes but can they actually be held accountable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭tylerdurden94


    Thinking about setting up a heist? :P

    money_bag_with_dollar_sign.jpg

    Id be interested to know about this aswell, you got the link for the article?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Donkathon


    sorry donk actually know how to place links yet lol but it was on 2+2, it was in america and one of the player was shot but it just got me thinkin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    Thats why I use online reg for any major event....A heist is bound to happen at a big cash-on-premises live event at some time in the future....Its that simple.

    You can't insure against cash losses at any event (you can imagine trying to get that claim through :) ).....And no tournament organiser that I know of would ever take responsibility if, say, a €250k prize-pool (in its entirety) was stolen in a heist.....What would they do, reach into their back pocket and say, its ok lads we'll stomp up the readies even though all of your money was stolen???:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Donkathon


    i'm starting to be suede to this online registration thing now, i wasnt really for it before because i like the idea of getting the cash there and then but yeah makes a lot of sence security wise cheers stephen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭pok3rplaya


    Donkathon wrote: »
    to be swade

    just wanted to quote this awesome awesome word.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    its one of the reason a lot of big tourneys were never held in Ireland during the troubles ahs certain groups want protection money etc. If you remember the first poker million was held in the Isle of Man(something to do with insurance etc) and I think some big Irish event was held there too, this was all due to security problems at the time, mostly in the 80's and early 90's. I'm sure if you ask some of the old timers they'll tell you some interesting stories.

    Its something I've discuss before and I agree with Stephen its only a matter of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    pok3rplaya wrote: »
    just wanted to quote this awesome awesome word.

    isn't it suede?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭MrPillowTalk


    carfax wrote: »
    Thats why I use online reg for any major event....:

    Come on Steve is it not more to do with the fact that you get coin for every new account that opens due to the online registration.

    Im all for making money but lets not hide behind "I do it because Im worried about getting robbed".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭dK1NG


    Donkathon wrote: »
    i'm starting to be suede to this online registration thing now
    RoundTower wrote: »
    isn't it suede?


    I'm not swayed by your thinking...:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    Happened a few years back, not sure what the situation was with the prize money, 76k seems a bit light for such a big event?

    Bloody online entrants eh? .



    During a break in the Grand Prix de Paris poker tournament, two armed men wearing ski masks entered the Aviation Club and made the players and staff lie down on the floor while they robbed the casino. French police later described the gunmen as "well informed" because it appeared that they knew the precise stations where the casino kept its cash. The thieves collected about 76,000 euros ($92,902).
    Upon exiting the Aviation Club de France, the casino robbery took a wrong turn as the thieves had somehow lost the keys to their getaway motorcycle. So they stole a refrigerated truck. Still, the pair managed to elude the pursuing police as well as a taxi driver who joined in the chase (until he realized the men were armed and then it didn't seem like such a good idea). The truck was later found, absent the robbers and the cash. Rumor is Inspector Clouseau is coming out of retirement to find the renegades.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Theresalwaysone


    RoundTower wrote: »
    isn't it suede?

    Pretty sure its swayed.

    edit: exactly an hour too late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    nah, its suade, as in persuade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Donkathon


    spell check its suede ok i get it i cant spell get over it guys !!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    Come on Steve is it not more to do with the fact that you get coin for every new account that opens due to the online registration.

    Im all for making money but lets not hide behind "I do it because Im worried about getting robbed".

    Not hiding behind anything Eoin, I don't need to make excuses for making money out of hard work, and I am not lying when I make the point that one of the reasons I landed on the idea of online registration is; "Because I'm worried about my players getting robbed"...
    Running live poker tournaments is not the only line of work that I am involved with that can entail handling large amounts of cash so its always in the back of my mind to cover my business/ reputation etc.

    _____________________

    Not wanting to take this thread off topic too far but just have to add;

    The topic of the thread is security at live events and I tried to contribute something to it....If the topic was to do with affiliate deals or online sponsorship I might have contributed something along the lines of details of CPA or revenue share agreements that I may or may not have with different sites.

    When you make a statement like "you get coin for every new account that opens" what exactly are you basing that on? I'm only asking because its not actually true.

    Stephen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,984 ✭✭✭Degag


    I was under the impression that suede made a nice jacket but wasn't meant to be used as a verb!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭shanethemofo


    Degag wrote: »
    I was under the impression that suede made a nice jacket but wasn't meant to be used as a verb!

    /thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Donkathon


    ok i'm getting to like online registration more happy now guys get over it:) and back to tournament security


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Theresalwaysone


    Donkathon wrote: »
    spell check its suede ok i get it i cant spell get over it guys !!!:D

    lol.

    My mistake:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭DAMO72


    I really dont think that it would be a problem . I would say that anybody that would be capable of pulling off such a heist would allready be in the room playing poker


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭Goodluck2me


    carfax wrote: »
    Not hiding behind anything Eoin, I don't need to make excuses for making money out of hard work, and I am not lying when I make the point that one of the reasons I landed on the idea of online registration is; "Because I'm worried about my players getting robbed"...
    FYP

    "Because I'm worried about replacing the money"...?
    When you make a statement like "you get coin for every new account that opens" what exactly are you basing that on? I'm only asking because its not actually true.

    Stephen.

    perhaps not exactly correct, but you def make money from online reg's, if you weren't so bloody patronising about how its all for the good of Irish poker then I'm certain, people wouldn't begrudge you over making a few quid. It's just insulting to hear you say otherwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    perhaps not exactly correct, but you def make money from online reg's, if you weren't so bloody patronising about how its all for the good of Irish poker then I'm certain, people wouldn't begrudge you over making a few quid. It's just insulting to hear you say otherwise.

    lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭big_iain


    carfax wrote: »
    When you make a statement like "you get coin for every new account that opens" what exactly are you basing that on? I'm only asking because its not actually true.

    Stephen.

    If you are not raking it in you should be.

    Affilliate schemes and registration schemes are a part of online poker. They work in many ways which differ from site to site. Some offer you a percentage of the players losing bets, percentage of the rake, or a flat fee per registration. Some offer as much as $80 per deposited registration.

    Some do it by linking using a unique link to the registration page. Some do it by special bonus code. In most cases you will still be eligable for your bonuses and other perks from the online site. I'm sure boards do the same thing from there link to 'stars' at the top of the page. (If you don't have a stars account this is the way to get one and support boards at the same time.)

    Because a depositing new member is a valuable comodity it is worth the online sites to offer kickbacks to get new members. The Affilliate who brought the new player in only really makes money if the player keeps playing with that site.

    Stephen, if you honestly don't make money from these new player schemes then fair enough. We should have a chat. But, if you do. You should not deny it. It is ok and fair for organisers to make money from poker. But like with anything, we want it to be fair and honest and stated up front so we can make our decision to play based on the value offered. The better value the more bums on seats.

    Good luck today with your Dublin Game, babysitting so can't make it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Donkathon


    ok this thread has proved pointless and is being used just to start arguments mods just delete please


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    the deadmans pub poker tourney got held up last year, someone ran in and held up reg desk, not sure what happened with regards the prizepool anyone got info?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Flushdraw


    This happened at one of JPs events in the red cow when the cash box was robbed! It was easilt sorted though. All it involved was a couple of poker heavies chasing the guy halfway down the Naas rd, pinning him up against the wall and asking him nicely to hand back over the cash before someone got hurt ;)


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    big_iain wrote: »
    If you are not raking it in you should be.

    Affilliate schemes and registration schemes are a part of online poker. They work in many ways which differ from site to site. Some offer you a percentage of the players losing bets, percentage of the rake, or a flat fee per registration. Some offer as much as $80 per deposited registration.

    Some do it by linking using a unique link to the registration page. Some do it by special bonus code. In most cases you will still be eligable for your bonuses and other perks from the online site. I'm sure boards do the same thing from there link to 'stars' at the top of the page. (If you don't have a stars account this is the way to get one and support boards at the same time.)

    Because a depositing new member is a valuable comodity it is worth the online sites to offer kickbacks to get new members. The Affilliate who brought the new player in only really makes money if the player keeps playing with that site.

    Stephen, if you honestly don't make money from these new player schemes then fair enough. We should have a chat. But, if you do. You should not deny it. It is ok and fair for organisers to make money from poker. But like with anything, we want it to be fair and honest and stated up front so we can make our decision to play based on the value offered. The better value the more bums on seats.

    Good luck today with your Dublin Game, babysitting so can't make it.
    No, we get paid to run the ad, there is no affiliate deal involved. We did have one with GJP but we earned... wait for it... 0. (everyone who wanted a GJP account here already had one :) )

    After that Boards Ltd simply said "cash please, up front".

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭JP-Christine


    Flushdraw wrote: »
    This happened at one of JPs events in the red cow when the cash box was robbed! It was easilt sorted though. All it involved was a couple of poker heavies chasing the guy halfway down the Naas rd, pinning him up against the wall and asking him nicely to hand back over the cash before someone got hurt ;)


    You have it a little wrong. Nicola and I retreived the cash from the guy in the lobby of the hotel, but I think that he did get a stern warning from some of the lads.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭Goodluck2me


    You have it a little wrong. Nicola and I retreived the cash from the guy in the lobby of the hotel, but I think that he did get a stern warning from some of the lads.:)

    You and Nicola were the poker heavies!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭MrPillowTalk


    carfax wrote: »
    Not hiding behind anything Eoin, I don't need to make excuses for making money out of hard work, and I am not lying when I make the point that one of the reasons I landed on the idea of online registration is; "Because I'm worried about my players getting robbed"...
    Running live poker tournaments is not the only line of work that I am involved with that can entail handling large amounts of cash so its always in the back of my mind to cover my business/ reputation etc.

    _____________________

    Not wanting to take this thread off topic too far but just have to add;

    The topic of the thread is security at live events and I tried to contribute something to it....If the topic was to do with affiliate deals or online sponsorship I might have contributed something along the lines of details of CPA or revenue share agreements that I may or may not have with different sites.

    When you make a statement like "you get coin for every new account that opens" what exactly are you basing that on? I'm only asking because its not actually true.

    Stephen.

    Im not having a go Stephen, Im all for people making a crust. I find it very hard to believe that you dont gain revenue from the signing up of accounts through online registration. I mean if you didnt get a chunk of money off Boyles for handing them 100's of new accounts then you missed a serious trick on that one.

    You said that you have online registration to protect your players, allthough Im sure it plays a part in why you have online reg I very much doubt its anything but a secondary reason for it.

    I would never ask anyone for an excuse as to how they make their living.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    You have it a little wrong. Nicola and I retreived the cash from the guy in the lobby of the hotel, but I think that he did get a stern warning from some of the lads.:)


    Wp Christine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭YULETIRED


    Christine and Nicolla warm up for another night in charge of the cash box in da red cow.



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