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Ecstasy is just horse play
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07-02-2009 12:05pm#1
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Have you tried them? If not,then you can't really comment on the effect. As for your mates, everyone seems to be odd when they are on them and your not. However, its the same as sitting in a room full of drunk people when your sober - annoying as ****, but you're probably safer with the pillheads than a load of drunks.
Tried them once. As you said, great buzz but tinged with the realisation that the whole thing was "fake". I've tried most "recreational" drugs and I honestly do not see the point of them. Do you go out weekends without taking them?
As to recreating the same effect outside of a chemically induced buzz; it can definitely be done. Can't say here though.
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Tried them once. As you said, great buzz but tinged with the realisation that the whole thing was "fake". I've tried most "recreational" drugs and I honestly do not see the point of them. Do you go out weekends without taking them?
As to recreating the same effect outside of a chemically induced buzz; it can definitely be done. Can't say here though.
Its possible that they weren't that strong, but its good to hear you have some experience of them instead of just spouting anti-drug rhetoric. I don't take them any weekend man, haven't touched them in about 2 years now but did a year long phase of taking them, during which I will happily admit I had some of the best nights of my life.0 -
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I don't mean as to fit in and be like' one of the bouys':rolleyes:
Its just you'd look like a right tit sitting there while everyones having a good buzz. Even if theres another friend just driking with ya it would be grand, that way you can have a good drunk chat and not be waffeled to death about someone who died 20 years ago etc.
Throw me a chewing gum there bud and I'll be your best friend for the next 6 hours
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Throw me a chewing gum there bud and I'll be your best friend for the next 6 hours
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The point is that they feel good or are interesting or are some of the most intense and profound experiences possible. Also, why have you tried them if you don't see the point? If you try anything with a negative mindset or hangups towards them, you won't enjoy them. I've seen anti-drugs friends try drugs just so they'll know what it's like, and they fight the high every step of the way, valuing their pride in being able to say that drugs are crap and stupid more than just relaxing, letting the high run its course and acknowledging the drug as a pleasant experience.Tried them once. As you said, great buzz but tinged with the realisation that the whole thing was "fake". I've tried most "recreational" drugs and I honestly do not see the point of them.
As for them being "fake", why do you think this? If you can feel something, then it's real. Saying that the high you get from drugs is fake is no different to saying the high you get from being in love, or a rollercoaster, or sex is fake. You see, it's not that it's fake, it's just that you have a negative attitude to drugs in the first place.
What buzz isn't chemically induced? And If you're talking about sex, that's a COMPLETELY different high to E.As to recreating the same effect outside of a chemically induced buzz; it can definitely be done. Can't say here though.0 -
David Raynes, of the National Drug Prevention Alliance, said: "He is entitled to his personal opinion, but if his personal view conflicts so very strongly with his public duties, it would be honourable to consider his position. If he does not, the Home Secretary should do it for him.
I love this line. The uk government pay this guy to look at various drugs. After much study he comes to the conclusion that all drugs aren't nessesarily bad and that maybe the government aren't going about it the right way. So they suggest him retiring because his years of study didn't produce the results they were looking for.
liking the logic in that one, David Raynes.
I haven't tried mdma yet, but it's definately on my to do list. However I don't see myself becoming a regular user. The fact that after a few years people apparently no longer get any euphoria from mdma would suggest that it does indeed change the brain.
To people who are shocked by this story i hope it gets them thinking rationally about drugs. Some safe drugs do exist ( i don't think mdma is one of them) and addiction could be drastically reduced if you got people to take their drugs orally. Maybe this is the route we should be going down instead of telling people to "say no to drugs, but it's ok to drink alcohol, one of the most toxic recreational drugs around".0 -
shock_value wrote: »I haven't tried mdma yet, but it's definately on my to do list. However I don't see myself becoming a regular user. The fact that after a few years people apparently no longer get any euphoria from mdma would suggest that it does indeed change the brain (note how i said change, and not damage).
It all works by flooding your brain with serotonen. Obviously, the more you do it the more of the drug it will take to produce the desired effect. Its not a few years either, by your 3rd or 4th time taking it the effect will already be on the decline.0 -
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shock_value wrote: »I meant that after a few years certain aspects of the buzz will be completely gone, and that long periods of abstainance won't bring them properly back. This seems to me to be somewhat different from normal tolereance that usually appears with drugs.
If we had safe oxytoxin agonists we could probably create a cocktail of chemicals creating an mdma-like buzz that would never lose it's zing (although slightly higher doses will be needed as your body becomes more tolerant). I think that is the future.
Your brain can only use so much serotonen though. Thats what causes the blue mondays - the serotonen has dried up and you feel depressed for a few hours. Things like chocolate can shrug that off though, there's some compound in chocolate replensihes serotonen.
So to create an endless buzz, you would probably need someway of getting additonal serotonen to the brain and keeping it constantly there which would be quite difficult. Great idea though 0 -
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The council is expected next week to recommend that ecstasy is downgraded from class A to the less dangerous class B classification. Ministers have outlined their opposition to such a move.
People are missing the point. When will horse riding be upgraded to a Class B drug?
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The difference is only a psychological one due to the pejorative attitude towards drugs which we are all brought up with.
To the body there isn't really any difference.
Why don't people speak out against spicy food? After all chillies cause serotonin and endorphins to be produced. Why is this different? The same with chocolate, masturbation and medititation.
A chilli, chocolate, masturbation & meditation night?! Maybe an idea for the next boards event 0 -
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Your brain can only use so much serotonen though. Thats what causes the blue mondays - the serotonen has dried up and you feel depressed for a few hours. Things like chocolate can shrug that off though, there's some compound in chocolate replensihes serotonen.
So to create an endless buzz, you would probably need someway of getting additonal serotonen to the brain and keeping it constantly there which would be quite difficult. Great idea though
I doubt it's to do with serotonin depletion. If you abstain for 6 months that's plenty of time for your serotonin to replenish itself. But yet people claim they still can't get much of a buzz off mdma.
If you want to replenish serotonin, you're wasting your time with chocolate. I suggest you look into l-tryptophan or 5-htp.
I never said endless, i meant that if you take it socially it will still have an effect. This is how most drugs work. Even if you're just working with serotonin you could use a serotonin agonist (a chemical that binds directly to your serotonin receptors without causing the release of serotonin).
I have no doubt that with more research safe mdma-like drugs (or more likely a mixture of a few drugs) will be available. In fact safe counterparts for all illicitly used drugs will be available (some already exist now) and their addiction will be greatly reduced as people won't have to snort/inhale/inject them to save money. It's all dependant on how the governments chose to act.
Stories like this give me hope that people are starting to think rationally about drugs.0 -
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