Rahm Emanuel - The real power in the White House?

Sofa_King Good

Diogenes wrote: »

You've made the claim the Onus is on you to support it.

It's contemptable to try an support anything else.

Unless I claim that Sofa King Kong enjoys watching doris day muscials while being spanked by a midget using a lollipop. You made the claim, you think it's "one of the most rational things i have said here to be honest and I stand by them" yet you now admit it's something you cant even prove. jesus wept.



Can you quote the original article, I'd like to get a hebrew friend to confirm the specific quote.

Even if it is accurate you are once again basically saying because his father is a jewish terrorist, he must be a jewish terrorist. Well thank feck you didn't have your thinking running our peace proces




And your point is caller? His father is a man who renounced terrorism and became a children's doctor, but hey you need to fixate on the nasty jew terrorist.



No no you did, you blamed him for his fathers background, and you claimed he was a dual citizen and member of the israeli army. Are you incapable of tracking your baseless accusations?

Rather than go round in infinite circles can we please agree to disagree?

I have no problem with your point of view other than your portrayal of me as a bigot.

If you want to believe his father is Dr Dolittle and not a terrorist so be it.

If I may,

Diogenes wrote: »

on the nasty jew terrorist.

If you want to believe that a double allegiance to serve two states is possible fine by me.

meglome

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

I agree with everything you've said there to a word.

But if you look up the Bolshevik revolution, just as an example, you will find the majority of the protagonists to be Jewish. That is not an indictment against Jews but it documents specific Jewish men involved in one of the major conspiracies in recent history. Not an indictment of Jews, just a fact.

But you're making my point here. Yes some of the leaders of the Bolshevik revolution were Jewish (and considering how Jews had been treated in Russia, that'll be no surprise) but how many Orthodox Christians? At the end of the day most of these people were Russians who happened to be Jewish, so what? Why is it important that there were Jews involved over anyone else? This is where the suspicion of bigotry comes in.

And can you explain to me how the Bolshevik revolution was a massive conspiracy? The average Russian hadn't a pot to piss in so there was huge discontent especially after WW1. So it was only a matter of time before there was an uprising of some sort. I mean conspiring against your own corrupt, inept and unelected government doesn't really make you the criminal of the century.

Sofa_King Good

meglome wrote: »

But you're making my point here. Yes some of the leaders of the Bolshevik revolution were Jewish (and considering how Jews had been treated in Russia, that'll be no surprise) but how many Orthodox Christians?

"According to Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent for the Times newspaper, “out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State, there were in 1918-1919, 17 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 11 Armenians, 35 Letts, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3 Poles, 3 Finns, 1 Czech, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews. "

That speaks for itself

meglome wrote: »

At the end of the day most of these people were Russians who happened to be Jewish, so what? Why is it important that there were Jews involved over anyone else? This is where the suspicion of bigotry comes in.

Fair point but they weren't nationalists, as Churchill put it they were "internationalist" and "atheistical" Jews

meglome wrote: »

And can you explain to me how the Bolshevik revolution was a massive conspiracy? The average Russian hadn't a pot to piss in so there was huge discontent especially after WW1. So it was only a matter of time before there was an uprising of some sort. I mean conspiring against your own corrupt, inept and unelected government doesn't really make you the criminal of the century.

Well it was funded by prominent Americans in the time of the illuminati to promote world socialism.

Can you say the average Russian was better off post 1917?

meglome

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

"According to Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent for the Times newspaper, “out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State, there were in 1918-1919, 17 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 11 Armenians, 35 Letts, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3 Poles, 3 Finns, 1 Czech, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews. "

That speaks for itself

It speaks volumes for the attitude of Robert Wilton and for the attitudes that prevailed at the time. So the 457 'Jews', were they not mostly Russians, who's families had lived in Russia for centuries? And maybe this is a list of people most oppressed in Russia.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Fair point but they weren't nationalists, as Churchill put it they were "internationalist" and "atheistical" Jews

Again the attitudes that prevailed at the time.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Well it was funded by prominent Americans in the time of the illuminati to promote world socialism.

Relevance? Irish nationalism was funded by Americans too? Are we all evil conspirators? In the time of the the illuminati, you mean there's no evidence for this, just an implication? Maybe one day I'll see some actual evidence the illuminati ever even existed.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Can you say the average Russian was better off post 1917?

I wouldn't think so. Did the Jews do well out of it then? I don't seem to recall they did.

oceanclub

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

"According to Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent for the Times newspaper, “out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State, there were in 1918-1919, 17 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 11 Armenians, 35 Letts, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3 Poles, 3 Finns, 1 Czech, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews. "

That speaks for itself

Erm, this Robert Wilton?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wilton

Robert Wilton was a right-wing British journalist and an antisemite. He was a proponent of blood libel and claimed that execution of the Romanovs was a ritual murder by the Jews.

In case you don't know, "blood libel" is the idea that Jews murdered young Christian infants to use their blood in sacred bread. Do you consider this man a reliable source on such facts?

Wilton wrote a book on the Romanovs:

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Days-Romanovs-Robert-Wilton/dp/0939484471

The book was republished by the Legion for the Survival of Freedom, a Holocaust denial outfit:

http://www.skepticfiles.org/almanac/adl-emba.htm

As one review points out, Wilton was fired by his newspaper for being unreliable.

Kernel

oceanclub wrote: »

Erm, this Robert Wilton?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wilton

Got anything other than a 2 line wiki entry linking to a russian language webpage?

oceanclub wrote: »

In case you don't know, "blood libel" is the idea that Jews murdered young Christian infants to use their blood in sacred bread. Do you consider this man a reliable source on such facts?

Any evidence verifying this statement?

oceanclub wrote: »

Wilton wrote a book on the Romanovs:

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Days-Romanovs-Robert-Wilton/dp/0939484471

The book was republished by the Legion for the Survival of Freedom, a Holocaust denial outfit:

http://www.skepticfiles.org/almanac/adl-emba.htm

As one review points out, Wilton was fired by his newspaper for being unreliable.

Quite favourable reviews for the book on amazon. A couple of one stars branding it anti-semitic. However, that does not suggest to me that the book actually is untrue. Have you read the book? In what way was the author unreliable?

oceanclub

Kernel wrote: »

Got anything other than a 2 line wiki entry linking to a russian language webpage?

Do you? If you're putting someone forward as a reliable source, it's up to you to prove why, when I've already shown that (a) his own newspaper - hardly a standard bearer of Bolshevism - sacked him and (b) his books are relegated these days to Holocaust Denial kooks.

Quite favourable reviews for the book on amazon.

Oh right, like this genius:

Here you have a book written 'on the spot' at the time of this atrocity. The finger points at the internationl Jew with out a doubt. The NAZI holocaust pales compared to the pogrom this ignited.

For a more rational discussion, try here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

P.

Diogenes

oceanclub wrote: »

Do you? If you're putting someone forward as a reliable source, it's up to you to prove why, when I've already shown that (a) his own newspaper - hardly a standard bearer of Bolshevism - sacked him and (b) his books are relegated these days to Holocaust Denial kooks.



Oh right, like this genius:



For a more rational discussion, try here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

P.

Not to mention I've detailed the Tsar's anti jewish pogroms at the turn of century in Russia.

Instead of being suspicious about Jews motivation and involvement you could examine the historical and social reasons for the Bolshevik revolution.

bonkey

Well done lads.

Another thread dragged completely off-topic because y'all (on both sides, apparently) want to discuss the general history of Jews in the world.

I'm locking this thread, and will continue doing so with threads until people learn to stick to the topic at hand.