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[Article] Eircom to cut off Music File Sharers ..
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It's worthless as protection and use will always be used in evidence against you. There is no reason for users of Legitimate P2P content to use it.
You do realise DtecNets public IPs aren't the ones used by the "real" sniffing clients?
I don't use it myself, I just posted those details for anyone interested. DtecNet doesn't use a distributed software so there must be a fixed set of IPs that they own. As for PG2 been used as evidence against you, well unless you're taken to court and have your PC seized that's not gonna happen.0 -
O RLY? :rolleyes:Upward Spiral wrote: »I don't use it myself, I just posted those details for anyone interested.Upward Spiral wrote: »Well it can't hurt to use it. I use xxx to get my black-lists. It's updated regularly.
where else would it be used against you, in a McDonald's to stop you buying a burger?Upward Spiral wrote: »DtecNet doesn't use a distributed software so there must be a fixed set of IPs that they own. As for PG2 been used as evidence against you, well unless you're taken to court and have your PC seized that's not gonna happen.
and you think that's the only set of IP addresses they might use to track your activities?Upward Spiral wrote: »The range in bold is DtecNets software servers so blocking that one will stop their software from connecting as a peer.
all they need is their software, a laptop and someone with a working pair of legs to walk into any internet cafe or wifi hotspot or even hire an outside contractor to do the work from somewhere other than their registered offices anywhere in the world with internet access.
if you think they are not aware of people using peerguardian and are unable to get around such a simple method of blocking what they are trying to do then you will find yourself sorely mistaken before very long at all.
why do you think the police user plain clothes detectives as well as uniformed officers?
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[QUOTE=watty;58819520][B]Open to all kinds of abuse:[/B] [LIST] [*]Wrong IP or date/time given. But 4 times? Even so eircom is likely to look at usage logs. [*]eircom can use this as an excuse to disconnect heavy users. There might not be a report at all. [*]Rights holders only see IPs + date/Time and *MAYBE* eircom reports of how many warned how many times and how many disconnected. They can have no idea how firmly or not eircom implement reported IPs. There is NO 1:1 user/IP mapping and an IP of a disconnected user can be reused by another copyright infringer. One IP can come up 100s of times. The Rights Holders can't know if that's one person or a hundred. [*]How to you appeal on 1st warning if you KNOW it's a mistake as you NEVER do warez etc? [/LIST] [B]However many press reports and posts here are badly inaccurate and sensationalist.[/B] Something was going to be done and honestly I can't think of a better arrangement. Especially if eircom is flexible to a point and neither exploits the Rights Holders nor the subscribers lack of transparency. eircom don't actually need to change T&C. They can already disconnect you very nearly at their own whim. (excess traffic, suspect copyright infringement). There is no criminal prosecution here in this. If the Rights Holders did get court orders for users details (which they could), then it's a civil prosecution (sue), the burden of proof is very much less than in a criminal case. People are also not going to get sued or investigated*. Ignore REPEATED warnings and you get disconnected. eircom can do that anyway if they want to heavy users. [B]Other questions[/B] [LIST] [*]Are repeated infringers ever "light users"? [*]Does a "warning" expire with time so you are back to "zero"? [/LIST] There are lots of intelligent questions to ask that we don't have answers to. Hysteria and trying to justify copyright infringement or "rubbish" the deal are not logical responses. (*People involved in OTHER illegal activities of course will be discovered by Court Order and investigated. No change to that as it already happens. Garda even traced a [B]scammer[/B] to an Internet Cafe in Dublin and caught him when he came back. The scammer didn't know to use each Internet cafe only once and for minutes).[/QUOTE]
Lots of interesting questions there
Have any been answered? Will Eircom answer any of them ?
I'm most intrigued by this "warning system" . 3 strikes and you're out but how long does the first warning last for ? Similar to how a yellow/red card warning/infraction you get here lasts for a week.
What tools or power have record companies with regards the likes of a Rapidshare? I told a friend about this story last night and he said he was "Grand because (he has) rapidshare". Rapidshare is very big is it not ? Surely they'd want to tackle sharing of their copyrighted material there too ?0 -
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if you're using their network to do it and are doing something which has already had them dragged into court over and had to make an out of court settlement about then, yes it probably is fair.L.R. Weizel wrote: »It isn't really fair to be "Peeking" into that sort of thing to begin with.
unless you use the 'encrypted transport' setting that you get in some torrent clients your ISP is perfectly capable of using existing technology to 'see' what you are downloading. even encrypted transport only prevents people from seeing what you are downloading as it passes through their systems, but it will not protect you from peers connected to the same torrent seeing your IP address and since they are also downloading the same thing they will know what you are downloading. if one of those peers is someone wrking for a record company then you are fooked.:)0 -
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