Cutbacks....Here's an idea.

not yet

With approx 60,000 single mothers claming around 1000 per month in rent allowance is it now time to look at this allowance? do the maths 60,000 x 1000 per month x 12 months...........A lot of money.

My sister had a baby 20 years ago and left the family home, she moved into a bedsit and paid her own way. where in the name of fcuk did this (rent allowance) come from. It's costing 600,000000 yes thats 6 hundred million. now that figure is approx,so all the do gooders looking for proof can fcuk right off.

I also believe the public sector should be placed on a tax rate of 44% until we get out of this mess,(I work in the public sector) this would make money available now, if you cut pay scales,this would have the effect of people cutting back on spending.

Any ideas as to how we get out of this crap.

Wreck

not yet wrote: »

do the maths 60,000 x 1000 per month x 12 months...

Do it yourself you lazy fecker.

John Mason

jaysis, i work in the public sector 44% tax would murder me, mind you i am waiting for the compulsory reducdancy list to come out today, so i might not have a job anyway - so yeah 50% tax for all public servents

Degsy

not yet wrote: »

I also believe the public sector should be placed on a tax rate of 44% until we get out of this mess,(I work in the public sector) this would make money available now, if you cut pay scales.

Why the public sector?
Is nobody in the private sector earning money any more?

TheZohanS

not yet wrote: »

With approx 60,000 single mothers claming around 1000 per month in rent allowance is it now time to look at this allowance? do the maths 60,000 x 1000 per month x 12 months...........A lot of money.

€7.2m not €600m

biko

Just force the daddies to support their offspring, problem solved.

not yet

Degsy wrote: »

Why the public sector?
Is nobody in the private sector earning money any more?

The reason I mentioned P/S C/C is to apease all those right wing cnunts on Vincent brownes programme each night crying about pensions etc etc in the p/s.

At least the tax rate could be reversed quickly in the future, A pay cut on the other hand would take years to claw back.

not yet

TheZohan wrote: »

€7.2m not €600m

See maths wasn't your strong point at school.....!

Sorry that should have been 720,0000000 seven hundred and twenty million

Danbo!

TheZohan wrote: »

€7.2m not €600m

See here and give it another go..

€720 Million

"It's all right. I understand. But we really could've used that twelve thousand dollars."

"Um, Dad, ten percent of a hundred and twenty million dollars isn't twelve thousand dollars. It's..." "Code blue! Code Blue!"

Wagon

Wouldn't say it's fair to tax anyone working in the public sector differently, 44% is a lot. And do you really think that if someone saw 44% of their wages going to the state to squander, will that really be productive and encourage people to spend more? Not a hope. If I saw 44% of my wages gone I'd do 44% less work.

I do agree with the single mother benefits to an extent though. The problem is there's quite a few decent mothers out there who need it and it would be a real **** one to take it away. But there's a lot of scumbags as well, so unless you can find a way to differentiate between the two then there's a hole in the plan.

Roadend

biko wrote: »

Just force the daddies to support their offspring, problem solved.

Finding out who they are could be the difficult part

TheZohanS

not yet wrote: »

See maths wasn't your strong point at school.....!

Sorry that should have been 720,0000000 seven hundred and twenty million

You're right, second time around!;)

So when we factor in the income tax revenue from this €720m spent on rent along with all the other tax and VAT streams that this money creates and directs back to the government what is the total cost?

It won't be anywhere near €720m.

professore

not yet wrote: »

With approx 60,000 single mothers claming around 1000 per month in rent allowance is it now time to look at this allowance? do the maths 60,000 x 1000 per month x 12 months...........A lot of money.

Lets look at some numbers.

Single mothers - the poorest group in society. € 7.2 m.

Dept of Agriculture underestimate of one grant scheme for farmers : € 400 million (55 times more).
http://www.tribune.ie/article/2009/jan/25/exclusive-revealed-new-400m-hole-in-the-public-cof/

Most farmers are in effect non-means tested premium rate unemployed as in an unsubsidised market there would be far fewer of them.


PPARS : € 131 m. http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=8661

Highly paid IT consultants Deloitte.

Bank recapitalisation plan (roughly € 5 bln so far (about 700 times more) http://www.fxstreet.com/news/forex-news/article.aspx?StoryId=a4ce6827-1e65-4cd8-b28c-9b3571005ea3

Bankers.

IvySlayer

Wagon wrote: »

Wouldn't say it's fair to tax anyone working in the public sector differently, 44% is a lot. And do you really think that if someone saw 44% of their wages going to the state to squander, will that really be productive and encourage people to spend more? Not a hope. If I saw 44% of my wages gone I'd do 44% less work.

I do agree with the single mother benefits to an extent though. The problem is there's quite a few decent mothers out there who need it and it would be a real **** one to take it away. But there's a lot of scumbags as well, so unless you can find a way to differentiate between the two then there's a hole in the plan.

Methinks it's sexist to name it as single mothers benefits, as I know 2 dads who are taking care of their kids on their own.

Some people really need it. Some other people piss me off as they ( A mum OR a dad ) CAN actually get a job and work, aswell as take care of their kids. Some mothers are a joke, they demand money of the dad, yet she won't allow him to see his kids, sexism I say! If that happened the other way around there would be murder.

And yes there are some fathers who want nothing to do with their child and are forced to pay for them. Scum. If I'm honest, the whole system is flawed. And then child benefit they can claim too at the start of the month..

Anyone think single parents should be given rent allowance, bills payed, and vouchers for school/baby food, nappies etc etc, or given to them directly, paid by the social service?

Berty

If you are truly a single mother you are welcome to the allowance.

If you find yourself a new boyfriend whom moves in you should ( by right ) be telling the social you do not want the money anymore.

If you dont then expect a neighbour or some do gooder to rat you out to the social welfare. This happened a lot in the 80's as people who couldnt get allowances made reports on people who were on the social.

If you want to report somebody then use this

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/ContactUs/Pages/reportfraud.aspx

Quazzie

Why should people in the public sector pay higher tax than people in prvate sector. Nobody forced them to work in the private sector. You idea just punishes people who were wise enough to work in the public sector all those years. They weren't complaining when 5 years ago they were earning less than eqivalent jobs in the private sector. Yoor idea is idiotic at best

Nodin

It never ceases to amaze me how the 'Finger Of Wrath' in these situations always points at the easy targets. The people who should pay are the people who made money out of a tax regime that was far too lenient on the upper end and a property market that needed a good bitch-slap via regulation, not some young one with a sprog.

Sleipnir

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Why should people in the public sector pay higher tax than people in prvate sector. Nobody forced them to work in the private sector.

Yeah, we should all work in the public sector. :rolleyes:

funk-you

Why not just close down Boards? I know it's drastic:eek: but would make us all at least 30% more productive...


/Hides

-Funk

Gone Drinking

Single moms are hot, because you know they're putting out

doncarlos

professore wrote: »

PPARS : € 131 m. http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=8661

Highly paid IT consultants Deloitte.
.

I wrote my dissertation on PPARS and at the time of writing (Early 2007) the figure was well over €200 m. God only knows what it has cost to now.

IvySlayer wrote: »

Anyone think single parents should be given rent allowance, bills payed, and vouchers for school/baby food, nappies etc etc, or given to them directly, paid by the social service?

Bigtime, there is definitely lots of people who depend on single mothers allowance but there is also others that see it as an income that can be spent on cigarettes and drink. It should only be spent on the essentials needed to raise the child.

not yet

Nodin wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how the 'Finger Of Wrath' in these situations always points at the easy targets. The people who should pay are the people who made money out of a tax regime that was far too lenient on the upper end and a property market that needed a good bitch-slap via regulation, not some young one with a sprog.

Yeah but these young ones with a sprog are costing hundreds of millions a year.....
FFS twenty years ago a single either moved in with her sister,brother or stayed at home. This system is being raped by people who know how to play the game, why the fcuk should the tax payer subsidise someone living in a luxury apartment when people are losing the homes the workrd hard for.

ScumLord

Are the public sector on the same tax as regular people? Surely it would just be money going around in circles if they where.

stovelid

We need to get into the heads of single mothers and the long term unemployed that the current global financial problems are solely their fault. I suggest some punitive measures such as a 8PM curfew, procreation bans, and the stipulation that they wear clown suits during business hours to distinguish them from decent, working people.

not yet

If for say a year the public sector were put on a higher tax rate that would be in place of a pay cut. A pay cut would take years to claw back where as a tax increase could be amended when we get out of this mess.

I also believe we should pay as we can afford. The guys on the top salaries should be taxed at 48%. How on earth can anyone think it's fair that a couple who have saved and worked hard should lose their jobs then lose their home whilst a single mother lives untouched in a nice apartment.

I personally know half a dozen single mothers living in this situation that this mess will not effect.

And just to throw the cat amonst the pidegons. All the far eastern workers here on short term visas ( pakistanis,indian chinese etc) should be asked to leave, this would free up 1000s of jobs in petrol stations,spar's etc.

This country is on the brink of total collapse, we need drastic action.

Welcome these folks back when we get on our feet but for now we need to make nasty hard decisions

Quazzie

not yet wrote: »

If for say a year the public sector were put on a higher tax rate that would be in place of a pay cut. A pay cut would take years to claw back where as a tax increase could be amended when we get out of this mess.

I also believe we should pay as we can afford. The guys on the top salaries should be taxed at 48%. How on earth can anyone think it's fair that a couple who have saved and worked hard should lose their jobs then lose their home whilst a single mother lives untouched in a nice apartment.

I personally know half a dozen single mothers living in this situation that this mess will not effect.

And just to throw the cat amonst the pidegons. All the far eastern workers here on short term visas ( pakistanis,indian chinese etc) should be asked to leave, this would free up 1000s of jobs in petrol stations,spar's etc.

This country is on the brink of total collapse, we need drastic action.

Welcome these folks back when we get on our feet but for now we need to make nasty hard decisions

Your points are over simplistic and touching on racist.

How do you know what people can afford. How do you know that people who are in the public sector aren't mortgaged to the hilt, and will lose their houses if you tax them so highly.

Simply put the Private sector employees were living it up for years based on a false economy, and now the bubble has burst they want to drag the public sector down with them.

Nodin

stovelid wrote: »

We need to get into the heads of single mothers and the long term unemployed that the current global financial problems are solely their fault. I suggest some punitive measures such as a 8PM curfew, procreation bans, and the stipulation that they wear clown suits during business hours to distinguish them from decent, working people.

Thats liberal-free-cars-for-Nigerians-gay-better-off-if-you-went-to- mass-dope-smoking-talk.

Clearly we need to execute them, and sell their organs to the Americans.

not yet

Nodin wrote: »

Thats liberal-free-cars-for-Nigerians-gay-better-off-if-you-went-to- mass-dope-smoking-talk.

Clearly we need to execute them, and sell their organs to the Americans.

No..........we need to look after them better, They dont get enough. Put simply this country has two types of people..tax payers and non tax payers. There was a time when one could support the other, those days are over. If we continue to rape the system it will collapse.

S.I.R

i think if we sow vag's shut for a year we could say 720 mil...


worth it imho....


ahhh bum sex, old relyable when you dont have a condom... :rolleyes:

Executive Steve

here's a better idea - let's stop ceaselessly coming up with plans to fuck over the weakest most marginalised members of our society.

the amount of tax loopholes aimed squarely at those rich enough to be able to afford accountants who know about them in this country would make a mafia lawyer blush

if you think being a teenage single mother trying to raise a coupe of kids in a council estate is a comfortable and easy and rewarding life then clearly your experience is as limited as your imagination and your compassion.

Wetbench4

not yet wrote: »

With approx 60,000 single mothers claming around 1000 per month in rent allowance is it now time to look at this allowance? do the maths 60,000 x 1000 per month x 12 months...........A lot of money.

Are you sure they get 1000 per month rent allowance, thats more than my mortgage??

K-9

not yet wrote: »

With approx 60,000 single mothers claming around 1000 per month in rent allowance is it now time to look at this allowance? do the maths 60,000 x 1000 per month x 12 months...........A lot of money.

My sister had a baby 20 years ago and left the family home, she moved into a bedsit and paid her own way. where in the name of fcuk did this (rent allowance) come from. It's costing 600,000000 yes thats 6 hundred million. now that figure is approx,so all the do gooders looking for proof can fcuk right off.

YEP, attack the most vulnerable in society and put them in more poverty, that will sort it out.

You do realise Single Parents are one of the most vulnerable groups in society. The stats show about 50% are below the poverty line.

The reason they get Rent Allowance is because they are unemployed

Curlypinkie

Yizz are all mad.
I'd rather have ALL my tax spent on some single mother's fags than on some fat-banker-b*stard-ex-manager's early retirement scheme (Anglo Irish F.Y.I)

Which is what we all do to a much larger extent than on single mothers. how much did that bank cost us all again?

Raze_them_all

Wagon wrote: »

Wouldn't say it's fair to tax anyone working in the public sector differently, 44% is a lot. And do you really think that if someone saw 44% of their wages going to the state to squander, will that really be productive and encourage people to spend more? Not a hope. If I saw 44% of my wages gone I'd do 44% less work.

I do agree with the single mother benefits to an extent though. The problem is there's quite a few decent mothers out there who need it and it would be a real **** one to take it away. But there's a lot of scumbags as well, so unless you can find a way to differentiate between the two then there's a hole in the plan.

Look for big thick gold earrings.
Nike tracksuits.
More than one baby by different guys.

SV

So 720million a year to ensure mothers with children aren't made homeless and can have a decent lifestyle and not grow up in a dump?


waste of money alright.
:rolleyes:

Degsy

Seanies32 wrote: »

The reason they get Rent Allowance is because they are unemployed

By choice,a lot of them.

Exit

not yet wrote: »

so all the do gooders looking for proof can fcuk right off.

****ing do gooders. Bunch of ****.

K-9

Degsy wrote: »

By choice,a lot of them.

Seamus Brennan RIP had plans on reforming the system about 5/6 years. Nothing done.

I'd prefer a single parent at home minding the children rather than in a minmum wage, going nowhere job. Leave them to the single layabouts on the dole.

Degsy

Exit wrote: »

****ing do gooders. Bunch of ****.

Mostly not paying any tax themselves..students and other leeches.

Curlypinkie

Well, I see it like this.
My "tax-levy" (bullsh*t name by the way) could provide a single mum on welfare with fags for at least two weeks. And I would love if that was the case.

Now it won't.
Instead it will bail out a stupid bank.

grrrrrrrrrrr :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

CuLT

not yet wrote: »

If for say a year the public sector were put on a higher tax rate that would be in place of a pay cut. A pay cut would take years to claw back where as a tax increase could be amended when we get out of this mess.

I also believe we should pay as we can afford. The guys on the top salaries should be taxed at 48%. How on earth can anyone think it's fair that a couple who have saved and worked hard should lose their jobs then lose their home whilst a single mother lives untouched in a nice apartment.

I personally know half a dozen single mothers living in this situation that this mess will not effect.

And just to throw the cat amonst the pidegons. All the far eastern workers here on short term visas ( pakistanis,indian chinese etc) should be asked to leave, this would free up 1000s of jobs in petrol stations,spar's etc.

This country is on the brink of total collapse, we need drastic action.

Welcome these folks back when we get on our feet but for now we need to make nasty hard decisions

Yes, of course, the destruction of free market economics in favour of protectionism and embracing sectarian communism will save us!

Karl Marx you were right, all is forgiven!

Joeface

Ok don't take the money form the Single mothers allowance , have them name the Father take it off him , Seems only fair that he should have some resposiblity towards these ppl , it takes two to tango , so some of the allowance should come from them , Saving tax payers money, And the Single mothers do not loose out

K-9

Joeface wrote: »

Ok don't take the money form the Single mothers allowance , have them name the Father take it off him , Seems only fair that he should have some resposiblity towards these ppl , it takes two to tango , so some of the allowance should come from them , Saving tax payers money, And the Single mothers do not loose out

That is the current system. It would help if they bloody enforced it.

On the other side of it some fathers are fleeced paying Mortgages and massive Maintenance due to outdated Divorce laws.

Countermoon

professore wrote: »

Lets look at some numbers.

Single mothers - the poorest group in society. € 7.2 m.

Dept of Agriculture underestimate of one grant scheme for farmers : € 400 million (55 times more).

Eh, where are you getting 7.2m from? Your ass?

Joeface

Seanies32 ya see govement and state policy enfored just like flying first class wait im mean business class

Damn it , Ok cut all pay over 50,000 per anum by 10% and over 100,000 per anum by 15% .........gets my vote

K-9

Joeface wrote: »

Seanies32 ya see govement and state policy enfored just like flying first class wait im mean business class

Damn it , Ok cut all pay over 50,000 per anum by 10% and over 100,000 per anum by 15% .........gets my vote

There is a maintenance recovery section but it seems to be a joke. They wrote to me 3/4 years ago and I never bothered replying. Haven't heard from them since.

I pay by court order anyway but it does annoy me that many seem to get away with paying nothing and others are completely fleeced.

Highsider

It never ceases to amaze me how some people think that by punishing societies most at risk (including single mothers) we can fix our problems.

Ginny

not yet wrote: »

The reason I mentioned P/S C/C is to apease all those right wing cnunts on Vincent brownes programme each night crying about pensions etc etc in the p/s.

At least the tax rate could be reversed quickly in the future, A pay cut on the other hand would take years to claw back.

years? It would never be clawed back.
What pisses me off is that everyday I see money being thrown at stuff in here, huge expense accounts etc.
Why not address the rampant over spending in senior and middle management instead of a blanket cut or tax increase, as usual it will be joe soap on the lower rungs that will be pushed to the wall, instead of the stuffed shirts.

TheZohan

TheZohan wrote: »

€7.2m not €600m

Oh dear god!No wonder the country is fcuked.Nobody can fcuking add.:(

jiltloop

Very easy to target single mothers and tar them all with the same brush isn't it? I think it's the likes of the Anglo Irish bankers that people should be directing anger at. There's filthy rich people robbing our tax money, most single mothers genuinely need it. I know one single mother who got offered a job last week but had to turn it down because she would lose her rent allowance. Basically its financially impossible for her to get a job unless she is offered over 28K a year. She's itching to get out of her situation and start supporting herself and her family but she's stuck in a catch 22 situation. It's a seriously depressing rut to be stuck in if you genuinely want to be independant.

Crash

You know what I find more appalling than all of this?

The lack of basic math skills being shown in this thread.