Recession is the birth pangs of a new global order, says Gordon Brown

Run_to_da_hills

Recession is the birth pangs of a new global order, says Brown
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown says that the current financial crisis should be viewed as an opportunity to create a "new global order", ahead of a week of meetings with world leaders.

Speaking in London, Brown due to meet the leaders of Japan, South Korea and China in the next seven days renewed a warning against protectionism, urging countries to instead help set "new rules for this new global order".

Brown, who will also meet the president of the World Bank, cautioned that if a consensus was not built supporting globalisation, "all our prosperities" would be imperiled.

I always had my suspicions about this man.

Further reading.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1128586/Recession-birth-pangs-new-global-order-says-Brown.html

thecommander

Someone high in the ranks of the super secret organisation of the NWO needs to send out a memo to all members to tell them to stop mentioning the NWO in the world media.

Seriously lads, do you really think they'd go on about it in front of everyone if it was real?

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

Someone high in the ranks of the super secret organisation of the NWO needs to send out a memo to all members to tell them to stop mentioning the NWO in the world media.

Seriously lads, do you really think they'd go on about it in front of everyone if it was real?

He didn't specifically mention the "NWO".

road_2_damascus

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

He didn't specifically mention the "NWO".

Obama did in Berlin http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=0CV8Xt2VWvc&feature=related

thecommander

road_2_damascus wrote: »

Obama did in Berlin http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=0CV8Xt2VWvc&feature=related

Did you watch that clip, or do you just regurgitate the first hit on youtube? At no point does he say that, the news reporter did. Why does stupid clip this come up again and again?

road_2_damascus

thecommander wrote: »

Did you watch that clip, or do you just regurgitate the first hit on youtube? At no point does he say that, the news reporter did. Why does stupid clip this come up again and again?

I didnt watch it until now... it is sensationalist reporting which Sky News are masters of. They would be well aware of the buzzwords and phrases that would attract viewers attention. That said, its only words anyway, words that other people say... the vibrations of shock can be felt as someone of a high rank, strings together the 3 words New World Order... and it has us all flocking, like red necks at a ufo sighting

thecommander

road_2_damascus wrote: »

I didnt watch it until now... it is sensationalist reporting which Sky News are masters of. They would be well aware of the buzzwords and phrases that would attract viewers attention. That said, its only words anyway, words that other people say... the vibrations of shock can be felt as someone of a high rank, strings together the 3 words New World Order... and it has us all flocking, like red necks at a ufo sighting

They caught your attention didnt they, even without looking at the video you then forwarded it on. Job done.

Flamed Diving

thecommander wrote: »

Someone high in the ranks of the super secret organisation of the NWO needs to send out a memo to all members to tell them to stop mentioning the NWO in the world media.

Class.

Alittlebit

I think it's a bit silly to suggest that because the NWO is a phrase used on TV, it's not being organised in an underhand way. It clearly is being orchestrated in an underhand way.

The fact that Sky News used the phrase and many other in the media are starting to use the phrase may be a bit of an attempt to sanitise the phrase. It's a bit obvious now though what with Kissenger saying Barack can 'bring about a new world order' and GB snr. saying it all them times.

humanji

So if I say "black is white" enough times, it becomes true?

bonkey

Alittlebit wrote: »

I think it's a bit silly to suggest that because the NWO is a phrase used on TV, it's not being organised in an underhand way.

I agree, in the sense that its use on TV doesn't preclude underhanded organisation.

I'd go further, though, and also point out that its use on TV doesn't suggest underhanded organisation either.

The fact that Sky News used the phrase and many other in the media are starting to use the phrase may be a bit of an attempt to sanitise the phrase.

There's any number of things it may be.

nyarlothothep

NWO is just an easy term to describe whats already there. As to the cons there are many-the status quo, multinationals, state terrorism abroad, the fact that we are indoctrinated from birth to become consumers and pathological---ie the typical I'm alright Jack attitude. But interpreting to mean a secret luciferian cabal is dubious, not out of bounds, but it just seems like a money spinner to sell books. And why do they keep using Star Wars music, it just makes them look jokey and does them no favours!

thecommander

nyarlothothep wrote: »

. And why do they keep using Star Wars music, it just makes them look jokey and does them no favours!

Well it either that, or the Requiem for a Dream music

espinolman

New world order
new world - order
what is that supposed to mean : order in a new word.
Is there going to be a new world !

Sofa_King Good

to be inferring that a new world order is a secret cabal of evil old men plotting world domination in their subterranean bases is not an argument against the Brown's quotes, and his call for internationalism, sinister or not.

By chance or by engineering the global financial mess and reaction has played out the as predicted by conspiracy theorists, (of which I am not one).. Stuff like this just adds fuel to the flames.

I am sure if this was 06 and run to da hills posted a prediction that economies would falter resulting in calls for a collective global response that breaks down international borders to "save us" from ruin, ridicule would follow

humanji

To be fair, people have been predicting a global financial collapse every year since the Depression. It's the same as the people who have been predicting the end of the world. Each year that it doesn't happen they just say, "well next year it's definietly going to happen", and if /when it does, they jump up and shout "Ha! I told you so!" (and then blink out of existence).

espinolman

humanji wrote: »

To be fair, people have been predicting a global financial collapse every year since the Depression. It's the same as the people who have been predicting the end of the world. Each year that it doesn't happen they just say, "well next year it's definietly going to happen", and if /when it does, they jump up and shout "Ha! I told you so!" (and then blink out of existence).

No the world is not going to end , however there will be massive changes as we go through the dark rift .

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

No the world is not going to end , however there will be massive changes as we go through the dark rift .

And then come out the other side of it and all will be good until the next downturn.


I predict the next downturn. Bookmark this.

espinolman

Everything that happens in the world is planned .

humanji

espinolman wrote: »

Everything that happens in the world is planned .

And it's all cyclical, so it's already happened!

BrianMeehan

espinolman wrote: »

Everything that happens in the world is planned .

You got that right.

If only the masses could accept such sentiments, then maybe they might start to see the light.

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

Everything that happens in the world is planned .

And you know how? You probably said to seem all wise and knowing, but it quite the opposite.

nyarlothothep

did you read that economist predictions in after hours? Terrifying stuff.

BrianMeehan

thecommander wrote: »

And you know how? .

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” - David Rockefeller

thecommander

BrianMeehan wrote: »

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” - David Rockefeller

"Just because something is said, doesn't mean it's fact" - The Commander

"Picking and choosing which quotes you want to put 100% faith in doesn't make a good argument" - The Commander

bonkey

espinolman wrote: »

Everything that happens in the world is planned .

So all of these Conspiracy Theories and Theorists are a part of someone's plan...

BrianMeehan

bonkey wrote: »

So all of these Conspiracy Theories and Theorists are a part of someone's plan...

just one full stop would be more correct.

It is called disinformation. Why do you think all this alien crap was created, for no other reason than to discredit real issues.

The term "conspiracy theory" is in itself a term used to tar another persons comment.

You should read US military reports on this, but then again you know exactly what I mean. After all that is why you post here.

bonkey

BrianMeehan wrote: »

just one full stop would be more correct.

This is the Conspiracy Theories forum, not the Grammar forum.

Either which way, an ellipsis may be validly used to indicated an unfinished thought.

It is called disinformation.

If thats what you choose to believe...

I'm more interested in why (some) Conspiracy Theorists can believe they are somehow more aware of whats going on in the world and yet not get outraged when someone tells them that everything that happens - including the dissemination of the theories they believe in - is planned.

The term "conspiracy theory" is in itself a term used to tar another persons comment.

Again, if that's what you choose to believe...

You should read US military reports on this, but then again you know exactly what I mean. After all that is why you post here.

I'll thank you to limit yourself to commenting on posts and not posters.

thecommander

BrianMeehan wrote: »

t is called disinformation. Why do you think all this alien crap was created, for no other reason than to discredit real issues.

How do you know that the NWO, Illuminati, space monkeys etc stuff isn't disinfo and there's a plot against us all, that in your wildest dreams you couldn't figure out or know about.

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

And you know how? You probably said to seem all wise and knowing, but it quite the opposite.

Well i have come to the conclusion that everything which happens is planned through researching almost everyday for years now , like you start realizing that wars are planned to make money but mainly to change society and things like hollywood was set up to indoctrinate the masses , and seeing how predictive programming works in relationship to television soaps and films its like they give you a story and then you fill in the blanks and think it is true , people think they are being educated through television programmes but they are not , the data you get from programmes is what they want you to believe .

espinolman

BrianMeehan wrote: »

just one full stop would be more correct.

It is called disinformation. Why do you think all this alien crap was created, for no other reason than to discredit real issues.

No sorry but too many people have seen UFOs , even here in Ireland , you are wrong about that .

pwd

most people don't don't watch movies and soaps to be educated; they watch them to be entertained.
I took Gordon Brown's comment to be referring to a reshuffling of the order of power between different nations. Specifically that the East seems likely to become more powerful and the West less so. Essentially "Hey we need to stop trying to ingratiate ourselves so much with america and start licking up to china"

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

Well i have come to the conclusion that everything which happens is planned through researching almost everyday for years now , like you start realizing that wars are planned to make money but mainly to change society and things like hollywood was set up to indoctrinate the masses , and seeing how predictive programming works in relationship to television soaps and films its like they give you a story and then you fill in the blanks and think it is true , people think they are being educated through television programmes but they are not , the data you get from programmes is what they want you to believe .

You may have come to the conclusion, but that doesn't mean that it actually happens. Most people can tell the difference between soap operas and real life, so I don't know where that part is coming from. Im not sure sure who "they" are that are making us believe stuff, television programmers? actors? government officials?

Maybe your daily research has clouded your view, if you look at something long enough you will eventually see patterns in it.

Kernel

thecommander wrote: »

How do you know that the NWO, Illuminati, space monkeys etc stuff isn't disinfo and there's a plot against us all, that in your wildest dreams you couldn't figure out or know about.

Logic.

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

And you know how? You probably said to seem all wise and knowing, but it quite the opposite.

I would not like to be all wise and knowing , there would be no fun in that , because then there would be nothing to find out.

thecommander

Kernel wrote: »

Logic.

Haven't encountered that in most arguements for the above. Usually wild assumptions and half stories.

Kernel

thecommander wrote: »

Haven't encountered that in most arguements for the above. Usually wild assumptions and half stories.

I don't agree. My arguments for the NWO globalist state have always used facts and logical reasoning to demonstrate it's reality. In fact, even in MSM it is now taken as a political fact. The illuminati by their very nature are more difficult to 'out' since they are a secretive organisation. Scrutiny, however, has fallen on the CFR, Trilateral Commission and Bilderbergers, and the main players have revealed themselves. Use your own logic and you will see that such an organisation has always been inevitable, and that their globalist agenda has been pushed heavily since the last century.

Rox Sullivan

I think we should turn this country into the garden of europe
you know, Out here we are stoned immaculate
after all we do it well and the tourists love it

a few chickens in the yard
a windmill on the roof
a government thats honourable
and to hell with the market
I'd prefer a cuppa with a good neighbour anyday than a game of Monoply with a bunch of greedy careless suited crooks.

I've had it with recession
lets talk revival

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

. Most people can tell the difference between soap operas and real life, so I don't know where that part is coming from.

Thats is correct people can tell the difference , they know it is a fictional story but its the background , that they can think is real ,they are getting information all the time but they can think only the story is fictional , i have observed people in real life acting like something they have seen in a movie and using the same language word for word ,and the sad thing is they never even realize it - predictive programming.

Rox Sullivan

as tom waits sings
everything you can think of is true

Rox Sullivan

please excuse my ignorance but
who are the Bilderburgers ?

Kernel

Rox Sullivan wrote: »

please excuse my ignorance but
who are the Bilderburgers ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

thecommander

Kernel wrote: »

I don't agree. My arguments for the NWO globalist state have always used facts and logical reasoning to demonstrate it's reality. In fact, even in MSM it is now taken as a political fact. The illuminati by their very nature are more difficult to 'out' since they are a secretive organisation. Scrutiny, however, has fallen on the CFR, Trilateral Commission and Bilderbergers, and the main players have revealed themselves. Use your own logic and you will see that such an organisation has always been inevitable, and that their globalist agenda has been pushed heavily since the last century.

Fair enough, there are certain organisations that want more money and power, but that doesn't translate to microchips, detention camps, eugenics etc. There will always be greedy people in this world, but it doesn't mean they control the world media & movie execs. I think that alot of what you may be trying to say is drowned under a sea of crap from alot of the posters here.

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

There will always be greedy people in this world, but it doesn't mean they control the world media & movie execs.

Have you never heard of the psychology of mass population control : http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200802/20080204_ISS_4_Education.htm

thecommander

espinolman wrote: »

Have you never heard of the psychology of mass population control : http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200802/20080204_ISS_4_Education.htm

I'm not sure why you used that link in response to my comment.

I say that because there are greedy people, it doesn't automatically mean they are out to control the world.

You respond with a link explaining how people can be controlled.

Kama

I say that because there are greedy people, it doesn't automatically mean they are out to control the world.

If someone was, say, unlimitedly greedy, without empathy for others etc, on the lines of a socipathic homo oeconomicus, isn't the natural telos total control? I agree its not automatic, but it's quite loaded towards.

I've had it with recession
lets talk revival

/applaud!

thecommander

Kama wrote: »

If someone was, say, unlimitedly greedy, without empathy for others etc, on the lines of a socipathic homo oeconomicus, isn't the natural telos total control? I agree its not automatic, but it's quite loaded towards.

Just because it can happen doesn't mean it will/is/has. You could use that argument for everything then.

espinolman

thecommander wrote: »

I'm not sure why you used that link in response to my comment.



You respond with a link explaining how people can be controlled.

|Because if you understand how they do it then you can see it , i can see it being used in the irish media but only because i understand how it is done.

humanji

espinolman wrote: »

|Because if you understand how they do it then you can see it , i can see it being used in the irish media but only because i understand how it is done.

But, in the same vein, because you see how it could be done, you see things that aren't there and assume that it must be happening. It's two sides of the same coin.

Kama

And equally, if you assume its not, you can quite easily confirm that belief. Neither are 'strong' positions. (Notice I didn't say I knew it was true, but that I accept the possibility). Yet throughout human history, powerful elites can often be seen seeking more power, I personally doubt our epoch to be significantly different. The old saw that the people who want power are often the folks you'd least want with it comes to mind.

One mans 'globalist conspiracy' is another mans 'responsible governance of the world economy' tbh. One guys sensible preparations for possible anarchy are another mans concentration camps for a coup d'etat. Etc Etc.


On toic with the OP, what else would you think world leaders will say when there's a fall-apart of the system than 'lets make a new system'? 'Lets do nothing, and let sh*t fall where it may' don't work that hawt as speech material

espinolman

humanji wrote: »

But, in the same vein, because you see how it could be done, you see things that aren't there and assume that it must be happening. It's two sides of the same coin.

Look what hypnotists can do , if someone really understood the mechanics of how that worked , they would be able to see how the same principle can be applied in the mass media to make people believe anything.