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... is in the well.

  • 21-01-2009 10:09pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭


    A stranger is being shown around a village that he has just become part of. He is shown a well and his guide says "On any day except tuesday, you can shout any question down that well and you'll be told the answer" . The man seems pretty impressed, and so he shouts down: Why not on tuesday? and the voice from in the well shouts back: Because on tuesday, its your day in the well.

    Borrowed from the Poker forum by way of Two Plus Two I figure this could be fun to do in Fitness. It could be a complete flop, but anyway, we'll give it a go.

    Basically, if you're "in the well" there's a thread dedicated to people asking you any (reasonable) question and you throwing the answer, you also get to nominate the next person to go in the well if you want.

    There are so many knowledgable and dedicated people who post frequently in Fitness and Fitness Logs: Hanley, g'em, Transform, Roper, kevpants, the drifter and many, many more!

    I figure it'd be a great way to find out some more about how people train, why they are training using that method, why they are training in the bigger scheme of things as well as maybe finding out what some of the day jobs and long-term goals, etc. are.

    So, assuming he accepts, I nominate Hanley to be the first guy in the well for Fitness...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Well I'm certainly flattered...

    Anyone with any questions, feel free to fire away. Not sure how much I'll be on between now and tomorrow evening, but I'll answer whatever I can!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,122 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    What attracted you to powerlifting?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭oq4v3ht0u76kf2


    Fair play mate, I guess my question is what (if any) is your major fitness goal outside of powerlifting? Ever wanted to do a triathlon or anything like that?

    What are you aiming for in April at the IDFPAs?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    What attracted you to powerlifting?

    The coolness.... :p

    I dislocated my shoulder >15 times, tore it to shreds and had to have my whole shoulder put back together (you can still see the effect on my body, my right side's totally different to left).

    I had been doing some light weights to help this... then after the op I couldn't do any contact sport for like 6-12 months, so I started lifting. Realised I enjoyed it, and was good at it, and the thought of wrecking my shoulder again after a year of rehab and very intrusive op did not appeal to me so I went looking for something else....

    It turned out a casual acquaintance of mine went to school with my now training partner Ger. His dad trained in Hercs and is a multi-world champ and number one drug free lifter in Ireland.

    So I joined Hercs, and here I am!
    Fair play mate, I guess my question is what (if any) is your major fitness goal outside of powerlifting? Ever wanted to do a triathlon or anything like that?

    What are you aiming for in April at the IDFPAs?

    Fitness goals.... I've run 1km in 3.30-3.45 before I think when I was 17 or 18... Played soccer and gaelic at decently high level for most of my teenage years. Sometimes training 4-5x a week and playing matches on Saturday and Sunday.

    In the future, I've always said to myself I'd like to do a triathlon. I don't know if I ever will tho. If it does happen it's 5-7 years down the road.

    I'd like to dedicate a year to weightlifting in 2010 and see what I can do there. My flexibility is still really good (I can do a sots press with a clean grip from a rock bottom back squat - like a behind the neck press with the bar starting on your shoulders in the bottom of a squat. Sounds easy, but try it next time you're in the gym!) and my squat and pulling strength's just going up and up, so hopefully I could do something decent and maybe qualify for some European comps? In doing so I'd like to take my weight back down to something pretty lean. Maybe the 94-96kg mark cos I'm sick of being so heavy.

    April.... something big :D:D

    I think I said it in my log, so I may as well say it here - 317.5kg/220kg/272.5kg would pretty much be the absolute dream competition!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Imposter


    hehe... I read the poker forum a lot so ahem....

    - Waht other sports have you done before powerlifting and to what level?
    - Did you jump straight into 'proper' training/lifting or how long did it take? (By this I mean how long did you think 'I know what i'm doing' when you didn't and how long did it take to get your diet into a state that could be considered reasonable? ...and of course whatever is important that I haven't realised yet...)
    - What was your biggest mistake to date in terms of what you thought was a good idea in comparison to what the general informed consensus is?
    - If you had the 'choice' again would you have picked something different to spend your time on? If yes, what?
    - What's your biggest bugbear with this forum?
    - Do you get sick of the same questions over and over here?
    - Hookers or Coke?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Imposter wrote: »
    hehe... I read the poker forum a lot so ahem....

    - Waht other sports have you done before powerlifting and to what level?

    Soccer and Gaelic were the main two.... played major and premier in soccer, played at a slightly lower level after, but got a spot on the Brenfer league team after I came back a couple of months after my first shoulder injury,and then preceeded to tear it apart again the match after, so that was the end of that!!
    - Did you jump straight into 'proper' training/lifting or how long did it take? (By this I mean how long did you think 'I know what i'm doing' when you didn't and how long did it take to get your diet into a state that could be considered reasonable? ...and of course whatever is important that I haven't realised yet...)

    Spent about a year just "lifting" I guess. In hindsight I was VERY lucky to hook up with the trainer I did when I first started. Chap by the name of Aidan Carroll. I only now appreciate the road he put me on, and I owe a lot of my success to his intial guidance. I'd love to get in contact with him again if anyone knows him.

    My diet... lol that's an ongoing project. According to most here, I do everything wrong there!
    - What was your biggest mistake to date in terms of what you thought was a good idea in comparison to what the general informed consensus is?

    I dunno... I've learned from everything, and everything I've done up to now is the reason why I'm in the position I am today. So to that end, I don't "regret" anything.

    If you want specifics tho... I guess not worrying enoguh about banging out the hard reps retarded my progress a bit. After my first comp I got into the search for the best programs and didn't concentrate enough on just grinding out heavy reps. I think that's one of the big advantages and positives of the way I'm training now.
    - If you had the 'choice' again would you have picked something different to spend your time on? If yes, what?

    I probably would like to have got into olympic lifting when I was 12-14. It might sound big headed, but I honestly woulda fancied my shot at an olympic spot if I had of. Right now, I'm just holding out for powerlifting to get the nod from the IOC. It was rejected this year because of some outstanding drug control issues (mostly with Russia and the Ukraine), but they were invited to reapply, so hopefully somewhere in the next 8-12 years when I should be hitting my peak it'll get accreditation.
    - What's your biggest bugbear with this forum?

    People who read a bit and then suddenly start to lecture everyone.
    - Do you get sick of the same questions over and over here?

    I used to. I tend to just gloss over them now and not even read em because I'm too busy with work and training to care!
    - Hookers or Coke?

    I have a girlfried, and lift in a drug free federation. So whatever option C is, I'll have :D

    Nice questions!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭oq4v3ht0u76kf2


    Couple more came to me today...

    - Would you ever consider training people for-pay/professionally?

    - Assuming it had to be one or the other... Olympic gold medal in powerlifting or a world record total?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Couple more came to me today...

    - Would you ever consider training people for-pay/professionally?

    Probably not tbh... unless I was getting paid loads and the person was actually willing to do what I said!!

    Tbh, I probably couldn't put up with half the sh!t I hear from "coaches" and "trainers" who talk a good game, but haven't actually done anything themselves.
    - Assuming it had to be one or the other... Olympic gold medal in powerlifting or a world record total?

    ****.... I dunno.... Assuming world records always get broken eventually, it'd be the olympic gold (assuming powerliting is an olympic sport in this case!), cos I'd always have it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,122 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    In defence, he didn't ask for the thread. By now, it should have moved to another person though. I figured it was get asked a question, answer, and then nominate someone yourself!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭oq4v3ht0u76kf2


    I wasn't sure how well it'd work in Fitness, I guess it works in Poker because there's a bit more of a solid community there with less people popping in to post one thread and getting out... then there's also the fact that Fitness Logs means most people who are training solidly and log it have their own "wells" premade. Ah well, who dares wins and all that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭WHIP IT!


    In defence, he didn't ask for the thread. By now, it should have moved to another person though. I figured it was get asked a question, answer, and then nominate someone yourself!

    I've only seen the thread now and, personally, I was enjoying reading the questions and answers and had a couple of questions myself... It's nothing to do with "celebrity", just the members of the board sharing fitness-related Q&A...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Imposter


    In defence, he didn't ask for the thread. By now, it should have moved to another person though. I figured it was get asked a question, answer, and then nominate someone yourself!
    The way it works in poker is that the thread is titled "xxx in the well" or whoever. The whole thread is then about xxx until it dies out.

    AlphaMale, the idea of such threads is not about dick sucking or anything of the sort. Yeah ok in poker it does sometimes get fanboy idiots :eek: but I can't imagine that happening here :pac: The idea of such a thread is to learn something from someone who should know more than most on the forum. Most know what successes/acheivments the poster would have had but other details such as the above questions are not always known. There are a lot of beginners here who are probably somewhat intimidated to ask questions and this is a great oppurtunity for them to ask people who are further along on this fitness lark cracked about things which either they find hard with their current training/motivation/whatever or about things that paint our 'superhero' as a normal person who is just into and/or good at this whole thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    In fairness I think it's only a suck up thread if people ask questions like "What is it,do you think, that makes you so great?"

    Hanley:
    - Given the excessive weight gain occasionally required, the lack of many athletic movements and the exposure to steroid culture (not yourself but you're around it), would you say that powerlifting is a good activity for a young kid to get involved in?

    - Have you done much weightlifting?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Lol.... there's always one.

    I dunno what's bugging you, but if people can't ask questions in good faith to someone in a fitness forum who's obviously very into training, and who in all likelihood is going to put up the biggest total ever by a junior lifter in Ireland, and hopefully if all goes well and I stay injury will put up a total that's good enough to medal at te IPF junior worlds, the pinnacle of the sport, then you obviously have some personal issue with me.

    Roper wrote: »
    In fairness I think it's only a suck up thread if people ask questions like "What is it,do you think, that makes you so great?"

    Hanley:
    - Given the excessive weight gain occasionally required, the lack of many athletic movements and the exposure to steroid culture (not yourself but you're around it), would you say that powerlifting is a good activity for a young kid to get involved in?

    Powerlifting doesn't always equal weight gain.... My training partner did his first comp at 75kg when he was 18 in early 2006, he's only just about 77kg now....

    I think weightlifting's probably a better sport for young (say 14) kids to get into, but getting stronger in general can't help.
    - Have you done much weightlifting?

    Ha... no. I've powercleaned 120kg, that's about the extent of it. I have competed in powerlifting against some pretty strong weightlifters (guys snatching 105ish kg like) and while in the powerlifts I'm stronger than them, they absolutely whup me when it comes to putting weight over their head. Their form and discipline is just greater than mine for the sport. I'm hoping that when I do decide to give it a crack the strength I've already built will transfer over once I get some skill!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    AlphaMale 3OO's post has been removed and rather than banning him, I gave him an infraction.

    I have read a few of the "in the well" threads in poker and they can be really interesting. Now, having spoken to the other mods this morning, we feel there is no reason why it can't work as well here. Comments like the one AlphaMale 3OO made are just plain trolling and any more similar comments will be removed.

    Hanley, thanks for taking the time to answer the questions so far but I think you're gonna be in the well for another while yet. :D


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Good idea for a thread.

    Hanley, 3 questions:

    1) Would training / competing as a strongman interest you? (nationally, internationally?) --> link

    2) What is your alcoholic consumption like?

    3) Would you actually fit in a well? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭corribdude


    <Snip>
    1). What is your favourite exercise? Least favourite exercise?

    2). When do powerlifters reach their peak? And what what weights do you hope to be lifting when you reach this stage?

    3). Do you do any cardio, how often if so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Jesus guys quit with the fúcking bitching or bans will be dished out.

    Let's keep this thread running smoothly and on topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    AlphaMale 3OO, you were warned this morning.

    Banned for one week.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Hanley, 3 questions:

    1) Would training / competing as a strongman interest you? (nationally, internationally?)

    Probably not to be honest... well, it would. But I'm not built to do well in it. You need to have a bit of height and have a good deadlift to do well in strongman. Something I have neither of :(

    Oh and you need to be seriously heavy for the most part!

    If I could overcome those limitations, I wouldn't mind trying it! I might end up doing some national events at some stage, but right now powerlifting's the priority.
    2) What is your alcoholic consumption like?

    Not very high... I've drank maybe twice since the start of December. One of them was messy, the other was just 4 or 5 bottles of corona.

    3) Would you actually fit in a well?

    Probably.... I doubt "alphamale" thinks I would tho, my ego's far to big!! :D:D
    1). What is your favourite exercise? Least favourite exercise?

    Favourite... probably squats.

    Least favourite... I don't actually think I have one?? Anything involving calves!
    2). When do powerlifters reach their peak? And what what weights do you hope to be lifting when you reach this stage?

    Hard to say really... if you can stay injury free there's no reason you can't hit PR's into your 40's.

    At this stage, I have no idea. I think I said something like 375/250-260/320 or so before. I think they're low ball numbers now. May as well say something crazy like 380-400/272.5/330-350??? I have no idea how close I'd ever get to em... but may well aim high eh?
    3). Do you do any cardio, how often if so?

    I've started walking up the stairs in work??

    And 20 rep squats...???

    That's about it. My CV conditioning's very shoddy to be honest.



    Big thanks to Smashey for keeping this on track. I dunno why I seem to be catching so much flak for it, but thus is life!!

    If anyone gets sick of me talking about myself let me know and I'll I start the next thread!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Any tips on trying to avoid injury, if that's possible?

    Are there neglected movements that people can do to help add weight to their bench/dead/squat?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Any tips on trying to avoid injury, if that's possible?

    I've a really simple method for this... know when to push, know when to back off. That's it. You do need to know your own body quite well to do it successfully, but it's served me well so far... I'm pushing tonight, so hopefully this doesn't come back to bite me in the ass!!
    Are there neglected movements that people can do to help add weight to their bench/dead/squat?

    Absolutely without a doubt - heavy core training. Standing ab pulldowns & decline weighted sit ups for sets of 8-12 reps. Done frequently. 2-3x a week, but only pushing hard maybe once a week.

    Other than that, pendlay rows are brilliant for everything - back thickness, bench stability, deadlifts... SLDL's will make you c*ck strong on squats and deadlifts.... Nothing else really springs to mind as being "neglected" tho!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Thanks for agreeing to do this Hanley

    What are your opinions on Kettlebells?
    What are your opinions on crossfit?
    Are there any advantages to DL'ing barefoot?
    Same for Squatting?

    What is the most amount of days in a row you have lifted? How did this effect your recovery and what did you learn from it?

    How much can you bicep curl?? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭the drifter


    i really should have read all of this never seen hanley was nominated.

    ok my question for hanley.

    how you finding balancing a career and training?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    1). Who do you most admire:

    - in your sport

    - in sport in general

    - in life in general

    They may all be the same person but it's 3 seperate questions.

    2). If I asked you that same question up in TF would that be ghey?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭dioltas


    Thanks for answering these questions Hanley. I think this is a good idea.
    My question is do you know your bf % and what is it?
    Or are you concerned with that at all?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭corribdude


    1). Can you remember any of your 1RMs or 5RMs from when you were just starting out?
    2). Have you ever tried using negatives over an extended period of time to build strength?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Thanks for answering these questions Hanley. I think this is a good idea.
    My question is do you know your bf % and what is it?
    Or are you concerned with that at all?

    Ohhhhh i think he might like that one!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭Pugmister


    Do you find it hard to stay motivated throughout the year and sacrifice a social life because you may have a heavy session planned the next day?

    Do you have any (for want of a better word) rituals before heading off to the gym for a big session to get yourself psyched up....like watching some big lifts or youtube or blasting sum music.

    Ronnie Coleman or Arnie?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    I don't actually have any questions for Hanley but just wanted to saw that this is a great idea for a thread!! :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Killme00 wrote: »
    Thanks for agreeing to do this Hanley

    What are your opinions on Kettlebells?

    Pass :p

    Ah no, I'm sure they've their uses.
    What are your opinions on crossfit?

    Pass, again :D

    As a conditioning concept, it's good. Is it the last word in training, like most crossfitters would have you believe?? No....

    Is it functional?? If your function is to be good at Crossfit!!
    Are there any advantages to DL'ing barefoot?
    Same for Squatting?

    DL - yeah I suppose... puts you closer to the ground. Not something I'd make a habit of tho tbh. If you do it all the time, you're not going to get that little extra boost when you do need it (like in competitions or going for new PR's)

    Squat - none whatsoever... I'm all about oly shoes with a raised heel for squats!!

    I've squatted in chucks a bit too, but I only really like em for wide stance work.
    What is the most amount of days in a row you have lifted? How did this effect your recovery and what did you learn from it?

    The only one that really stands out is this from summer '07 (you gotta remember I was A LOT weaker then, and the below were all damn near max sets;

    Friday: worked up to 200kgx3 sumo deadlift, 110kg 3x2 bench

    Saturday: 180kg convo deadlift x10 (almost 11), famers walks with 140kg, keg carries etc

    Sunday: squats up to 160kgx3, bench 105kg 6x3

    Monday: Deads to knees, 150kg 4x2, incline bench balls out.


    I was pretty fubar'd after that!
    How much can you bicep curl?? :pac:

    62.5kg x7's my best!!

    Nice questions!
    i really should have read all of this never seen hanley was nominated.

    ok my question for hanley.

    how you finding balancing a career and training?

    It's been alright so far. This year should be ok cos I'm a junior so I'm not really pulling that much over time. Only an hour or so each day extra what I'm out on site. In the office I normally finish 5.30-6!!

    It'll probably suck next year and the year after tho!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    kevpants wrote: »
    1). Who do you most admire:

    - in your sport

    Ed Coan... couldn't really be anyone else could it???

    No bull, no tricks, just the most genetically gifted lifter ever.
    - in sport in general

    Lance Armstrong. That was an easy one. Greatest sportsman ever, imo.
    - in life in general

    That's a tough one.... No-one really springs to mind. I guess anyone who can see business opportunities and gaps in the market and can exploit them for a massive profit!!
    2). If I asked you that same question up in TF would that be ghey?

    Depends.... you coming in with carpets under your arms?/ :D:D
    dioltas wrote: »
    Thanks for answering these questions Hanley. I think this is a good idea.
    My question is do you know your bf % and what is it?
    Or are you concerned with that at all?

    I dunno... 18-20% right now. I made the decision last October/November that as this was my last year as a junior I was going up to 110 whatever it took and doing something big. I'm not all that happy with my appearance atm, but for the next year whatever keeps me at 110kg will be what I look like!

    It might be a case that 3-4 months down the road I'll HAVE to drop some fat to stay under 110. But right now I've stablised around 107-108kg. Gonna try bump it up to a full 110 over the next couple of months.

    The tentative plan is to stop the see-food diet and clean up a bit, try to get most of my calories form healthy enough sources and mass gain shakes. Hopefully that'll be enough to lean out a tad and keep my weight on the right track.
    Transform wrote: »
    Thanks for answering these questions Hanley. I think this is a good idea.
    My question is do you know your bf % and what is it?
    Or are you concerned with that at all?

    Ohhhhh i think he might like that one!!

    Psssh... quiet Mr. 8% :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    corribdude wrote: »
    1). Can you remember any of your 1RMs or 5RMs from when you were just starting out?
    2). Have you ever tried using negatives over an extended period of time to build strength?

    1) I remember the first time I ever benched 100kg. I was about 18 (so 4ish years ago) I think and 75-80kg. Form was brutal, but my ass stayed down and I didn't bounce it!!

    I remember my first 100kg deadlift too... I was squatting around 120kg at the time, but I think they woulda been high by PL standards. The 100kg was so dead handy, but it was pulled on a standard bar with small plates on a fragile floor so I dared not go any higher!

    I also remember dreaming of benching 50kg x2. No joke. I had just started training at the time, so maybe 17? One of my friends had gotten a bench not long after I started and I remember thinking how cool would it be to press ALL his weights, and then surprise everyone by doing it twice.

    Another funny story, the first gym I ever trained in only had dumbbells up to 10kg. That was plenty at the time, but then they got 15's, 17.5's and 20's and I remember thinking "holy sh!t I'll never get to use them!"


    2) Can't say I've ever tried either of those methods! Nor do I think I would want to!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Pugmister wrote: »
    Do you find it hard to stay motivated throughout the year and sacrifice a social life because you may have a heavy session planned the next day?

    I can honestly say motivation is NEVER a problem. I might have the odd day where I'm not feeling it, but by and large I always want to train hard.

    The social life isn't really that much of a problem tbh... I've no problem going out and staying out til 2-3am and getting up to train the next day. I don't do it all the time, and I wouldn't drink if I did (I'd probably drive to whereever we're going), but I still get out when I want to.

    I can normally structure my training so that if there is something coming up I can go out and have a good time and relax without having to worry about the effect it's gonna have on me tho.

    Having an understanding girlfriend who knows how much it means to me is probably one of the most important factors tho ;)
    Do you have any (for want of a better word) rituals before heading off to the gym for a big session to get yourself psyched up....like watching some big lifts or youtube or blasting sum music.

    Before I go to the gym, not really.

    At the gym, a sh!t ton.

    -Right sock always goes on first.

    -Right knee sleeve always goes on first (if I'm using em, same with knee wraps).

    -Right shoe always goes on first.

    -I never tie my shoes in the changing room (I actually never tie my cons at all, and if I'm squatting I only tie my shoes mid way thru my warm ups, and always the right one first!)

    -When I'm wrapping my wrists I always wrap the right one loose, leave my thumb in the loop, then wrap my left one loose. Tighten up the right one, tighten up the left one. If the right one comes loose for any reason I have to take off the left one too and re-do the whole process.

    -Before a big squat, "come on motherfcuker", then get my grip set on the bar, go into it with "get some".

    I think that's about it :o
    Ronnie Coleman or Arnie?

    Ronnie. Too easy!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    kevpants wrote: »
    1). Who do you most admire:



    - in life in general

    Change of mind form on this one.

    Anyone who is at the top of their field and is capable of displaying complete mastery of it, while making it look easy.

    Be it sporting, music, financing.... whatever!

    One my favourite memory's is going to a concert where Strauss's first public airing happened. The guys were just so amazing... I'm completely tone deaf, but you could just tell they were the best of the best. And they all looked like they were having so much fun!!

    The new year's day concert from Vienna's one of my favourite things too.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Hanley wrote: »

    As a conditioning concept,
    What do you mean by conditioning concept?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Roper wrote: »
    What do you mean by conditioning concept?

    For someone looking to get "in shape". Be in a better general "condition".

    A jack of all trades, if you will.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Hanley wrote: »
    For someone looking to get "in shape". Be in a better general "condition".

    A jack of all trades, if you will.

    Well just to clear up a common misconception. To be conditioned implies specialisation. ie. I have done specific conditioning for fighting, others have done it for cycling etc. etc. I believe crossfit shuns the idea of specialisation and you can't really be "generally" conditioned as every sport has it's quirks. If you're talking about the colloquialism "in good condition" then yeah, Crossfit will put you in good condition.

    I'm open to correction on Crossfit's ideas though as I'm no expert on it. Just my swing on it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Hanley wrote: »
    For someone looking to get "in shape". Be in a better general "condition".

    A jack of all trades, if you will.
    Roper wrote: »
    Well just to clear up a common misconception. To be conditioned implies specialisation. ie. I have done specific conditioning for fighting, others have done it for cycling etc. etc. I believe crossfit shuns the idea of specialisation and you can't really be "generally" conditioned as every sport has it's quirks. If you're talking about the colloquialism "in good condition" then yeah, Crossfit will put you in good condition.

    I'm open to correction on Crossfit's ideas though as I'm no expert on it. Just my swing on it.

    From what I said above I would have thought it was fairly obvious what I meant by general condition. But just to clarify, I meant;

    A state where the trainee possess a decent foundation in all the various aspects of "fitness" neccessary to compete in most sports. He is not trained to excel at specifically one, but his/her overall level of fitness and condition lends itself to being able to perform decently in most standard "fitness" measures. And furthermore, these non-specific fitness qualities could be enhanced thru specialisation thru focused training.

    Better??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Hanley wrote: »
    From what I said above I would have thought it was fairly obvious what I meant by general condition. But just to clarify, I meant;

    A state where the trainee possess a decent foundation in all the various aspects of "fitness" neccessary to compete in most sports. He is not trained to excel at specifically one, but his/her overall level of fitness and condition lends itself to being able to perform decently in most standard "fitness" measures. And furthermore, these non-specific fitness qualities could be enhanced thru specialisation thru focused training.

    Better??
    Was just wondering. You could really apply that to any strength training programme though. Maybe that was your point, I dunno.


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    Good thread, nice idea.

    Hanley even though you don't do Cardio, would you consider yourself aerobically fit?

    and

    Do you ever go for blood tests/health check ups? Ever come across a GP/medical practitioner who had a problem with your style of training?

    and

    do you know if powerlifters are more susceptible to health (heart) problems (whether that be through higher body fat or lack of CV) than people who practice cardio and have a lower body fat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    If you were a PE teacher what would you have kids training at?

    If you had to pick A or B which would you want to have?
    A: strength of hercules and body of bill gates.
    B: strength of bill gates and body of hercules. ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Good thread, nice idea.

    Hanley even though you don't do Cardio, would you consider yourself aerobically fit?

    Lol... No!!!!

    Do you ever go for blood tests/health check ups? Ever come across a GP/medical practitioner who had a problem with your style of training?

    I did promise someone I would, and then completely forgot about it. I should probably have it on my to do list tbh.

    I did have extensive medical tests done last summer on my stomach and some other areas to make sure everything was ok and I checked out perfectly there.

    Doctor's don't really have a clue imo. My family GP wouldn't really be a fan. But funnily enough, when I was having stomach trouble in the summer of '07 I was with a fairly highly rated consultant during the time and I was asking him about whether creatine or some other supplement may have contributed to it, and he almost laughed at me and said not a chance, that most people had absolutely no idea what they were talking about in that regard.

    do you know if powerlifters are more susceptible to health (heart) problems (whether that be through higher body fat or lack of CV) than people who practice cardio and have a lower body fat?

    I couldn't tell you to be honest... Don't just assume powerlifter = high bodyfat percentage tho. In like the 110kg (or even 125kg) class and up it may be the case, but at the lighter weightclasses it certainly isn't.

    I would guess that powerlifters hearts aren't as good as track athletes, but better than couch potatoes!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    rubadub wrote: »
    If you were a PE teacher what would you have kids training at?

    I dunno tbh... Guess it would depend on how much time per week you're talking. If it was the standard hour or two a week, some team sports I guess.
    If you had to pick A or B which would you want to have?
    A: strength of hercules and body of bill gates.
    B: strength of bill gates and body of hercules. ;)

    Gotta be A to be honest... Imagine how awesome my wilks score* would be!


    *Wilks points are used as a measure of weight lifted to bodyweight. It's used to decide the champion of champions at IPF contests. Other federations use different forumals, but to similar ends. It's not a linear equation either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Hanley wrote: »
    Lol... No!!!!

    You might be surprised. Do you think you could cover 5K running without stopping?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Khannie wrote: »
    You might be surprised. Do you think you could cover 5K running without stopping?

    Probably not tbh.... or if I did, it'd be REALLY slow.

    Don't forget I'm like 17 stone... running ain't east!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    How many pairs of jeans do you own? (all sizes!)

    i.e how much does it cost to clothe the hulk!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    Are we done with Hanley here?

    I'm looking for victims for the next round.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭celestial


    Hmm, no, I think we can milk the Hanley a bit more than that, especially seeing as he has been so gracious this far answering our qs:D

    Hanley, I have a few questions for ya:

    -Has there ever been a type of strategy or lifting programme that you personally felt worked particularly well for you in terms of pure adding mass? Rep ranges/groupings of exercises, etc? I know that's pretty vague, but had you ever woken up one week going woah, that routine last week really made me grow!:)


    -Provided you stay injury free which I hope and believe you will, what kind of nick do you think your body will be in age 50 or 60? I rem you saying a while back about the older lifters in your gym around that age who had a million and one different injuries/niggles, etc, and was just wondering about that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    smashey wrote: »
    Are we done with Hanley here?

    I'm looking for victims for the next round.

    I'm on it... I've had the next victim picked as soon as I saw the concept!
    celestial wrote: »
    Hmm, no, I think we can milk the Hanley a bit more than that, especially seeing as he has been so gracious this far answering our qs:D

    Hanley, I have a few questions for ya:

    -Has there ever been a type of strategy or lifting programme that you personally felt worked particularly well for you in terms of pure adding mass? Rep ranges/groupings of exercises, etc? I know that's pretty vague, but had you ever woken up one week going woah, that routine last week really made me grow!:)

    Doggcrapp. 3 months and 10+kg and a sh!t load of strength. Seriously cannot compare to anything else I've ever done.
    -Provided you stay injury free which I hope and believe you will, what kind of nick do you think your body will be in age 50 or 60? I rem you saying a while back about the older lifters in your gym around that age who had a million and one different injuries/niggles, etc, and was just wondering about that.

    Ummm... I don't know tbh.

    A lot of the guys have various niggles and sh!t going on, but they're still lifting away like, so that gives me hope!!

    There's one chap in there, 60+, not sure of his exact age, but he flew over to Vienna last year with the lads for the world champs and squatted 170kg raw, at about 85kg!!


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