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Personality goes a long way????

  • 21-01-2009 9:41pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    This is a question for the ladies of the board and I would like you all to answer as honestly as possibly,after all,this board is mostly anonymous.
    Anyway,to the question at hand.
    I was in a relationship with a girl,lets call her X,from November 07 until last December.We had a little break in between-couple of weeks in between but stayed in contact the whole time,hanging out,talking etc.
    We got on brilliantly,had an awesome sex life,similar tastes in food,some music,movies etc then in early December things started to go a little pear shaped.A week or so went on where she barely text and when she did they were curt messages,didnt return calls etc.This was very unlike her so obviously something was up.We met up that weekend and she basically said she didnt think we had a future because I wasnt the kind of person she wanted to be with because of my financial status.Im not a doley or anything but Im pretty early in my career so am not earning a whole hell of alot of money where as she owns her own apartment and is earning very good money.She told me that she felt jealous of her friends being whisked off for weekends in Venice or eating out in places like Chapter One or Mint a couple of times a month.Now Im not a skinflint,Im actually quite the opposite in that I am incredibly generous and bought her little gifts on a regular basis.They may not have been hugely expensive items but they still cost money or say if we were out with friends I wouldnt let her go to the bar,things like that.To me eating in stupidly expensive restaurants on a regular basis is an obscene waste of money.Grand for things like birthdays or anniversarys etc but every weekend???I must add,this friend of hers I mentioned is seeing a very succesful guy who is clocking on 40-X's friend is mid to late 20s BTW- but said friend is very unhappy in her relationship but is still with yer man because of what he can give her.
    Anyway,myself and herself broke up 2 weeks later for the above reasons which pissed me the hell off especially because the day after her relevations she completly back tracked and said the things she had mentioned were the smallest things that should be of importance in a relationship and that everything else about me and the relationship was perfect.

    Basically the question Im asking is does money matter to you?
    Is it a deal breaker say when going out with a guy for the first time or has it ever been an issue.I have my own theories on this but I would like a bit of feedback from the ladies.

    PS,this isnt me looking for sympathy or to be told she doesnt deserve you or anything like that,I know all these things already,Im just curious!
    Thanks in advance people.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Money isn't important to me. I'd never, ever, ever let a guy buy everything for me like that. I hate that. Nor would I enjoy dinners in expensive restaurants like that. Even for birthdays or anniversaries. Obviously if you're settling down together, buying a house together etc.. it's important that you are both earning enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Lucky escape by the sounds of it to me.

    I'd be more than prepared to go out with someone 'at early stages of career' if everything else was right. More than prepared. Money is definitely down on the list of priorities.

    And I do enjoy the odd good meal but would be prepared to pay for it myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    I never really get questions like these.

    for some money is very important social status keeping up with the jone's etc etc for some money doesn't matter at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    ntlbell wrote: »
    I never really get questions like these.

    for some money is very important social status keeping up with the jone's etc etc for some money doesn't matter at all.


    I am well aware of that but Im just asking to find out what peoples personal opinions are on the matter especially given the current economic toilet we are in.
    If roles were reversed and I told her "sorry,Im crazy about you but you dont have a good enough job for me" which is what X said if you trim away the fat, how would I be viewed?Like a total prick I would imagine.It seems to be ok to be a girl going out with a well off guy but society appears to frown upon the flip side of that.Jesus its not as if I expected her to pay for anything,if I had money then I was willing to part with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    If roles were reversed and I told her "sorry,Im crazy about you but you dont have a good enough job for me" which is what X said if you trim away the fat, how would I be viewed?Like a total prick I would imagine.It seems to be ok to be a girl going out with a well off guy but society appears to frown upon the flip side of that.Jesus its not as if I expected her to pay for anything,if I had money then I was willing to part with it.

    if people thought it was ok for her to act like this you wouldn't have people responding here telling you what a lucky escape you had personally I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who was that shallow, count myself very lucky we had no kids or any rings on fingers and get on with my life and not spend time talking about it.

    people want different things she obviously wants things you can't give her right or wrong thats the way it is so put your energy into finding someone who has a bit more about them, that they dont need to be defined by the badge on their car the label on the clothes or the name of the restraunt they eat in.


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    Silly Bint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭bennyblanco


    You're well out of it mate I think,to me X's behaviour is disgustingly shallow.
    I can understand why you'd feel aggrieved by her dismissal of you based on your means but I really feel that you're better off seeing the back of her now rather than at some stage in the future when (Heaven forbid) your situation might have changed for the worse and she left you high and dry because you fell below here minimum income level.
    Forget her.The best is yet to come.
    Good Luck to you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    Money and all the trimmings are (and were back in my dating days) of so little importance to me that I still have trouble believing that people like that actually exist:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    I know what you mean.In her defense though she came from a slightly deprived upbringing and has bust her ass to get where she is.I guess what annoyed me most is that she knew what I did for a living when we got together in the first place and when we got back together after the first split I was doing the same thing.It wasnt an issue then (that I know of anyway)so I would like to know what changed.Meh,its water under the bridge now but I think its a sad indictment of the world we live in that there are people with that attitude around.Feck it,its not the end of the world anyway!Thanks for the replies folks.Nice to know that most women arent wallet fixated harpies!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    She sounds very immature, but loads of them where indulged in boom times.

    One advantage of recessions is, women like this and indeed men, will be seen for what they are.

    Anyway, money is important, for basics!

    Chapter One or Mint isn't. She'll realise that in the next few years.

    Sad thing is, we'll have to listen to the spoilt princesses readjusting!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    I know what you mean.In her defense though she came from a slightly deprived upbringing and has bust her ass to get where she is

    Ah, therein lies the problem.

    How'd she earn the money, what career etc.?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,539 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    Basically the question Im asking is does money matter to you?
    My first real relationship was with a poor but creative musician, so money was not a factor (at first). We had fun, I attended many of his gigs, but he too frequently lived a style beyond his budget. His mobile bill alone was so huge that it could bailout a failing US bank! He started borrowing from me, promising to pay it back, but never did. But when he took money from my Da, I dumped him. So to answer your question, if a lad cannot manage to stay within his means, I steer clear of him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    As a fellow, I would have to say that if my future old lady/sugar-Momma, didn't keep me in the fashion I am accustumed to (eating left-overs from flatmate's dinner, trips away to Ballybunion with a couple of hang-sangidges, my cellar filled with Albania's finest 23 cent beer), I would be so out of there.:pac:

    Seriously op, I can't say people in Ireland would be so shallow as to break up due to not being "taken/treated" to foreign trips/expensive resteraunts every few weeks. Though, methinks, a certain percentage, now that a rcession is here, will try to upgrade their partner to a more generously fruit-bearing model.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    Seanies32 wrote: »
    Ah, therein lies the problem.

    How'd she earn the money, what career etc.?


    Im not going to go into specifics as it really isnt anything to do with my original question.She did brilliantly in college and from her first time in the work force she worked incredibly hard and still does so she deserves and has earned everything she has.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood



    I can't say people in Ireland would be so shallow as to break up due to not being "taken/treated" to foreign trips/expensive resteraunts every few weeks.

    Emmm,did you not read my original post?Maybe there were other reasons for her ending it but my OP is what she said.If there was some other reason eg she simply wasnt attracted to me anymore or whatever for it then why would she say that was the main reason thus making her sound like a materialistic wagon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    Emmm,did you not read my original post?Maybe there were other reasons for her ending it but my OP is what she said.If there was some other reason eg she simply wasnt attracted to me anymore or whatever for it then why would she say that was the main reason thus making her sound like a materialistic wagon?

    Yeah, I did read it. And I would stick by what I said...that most people in Ireland would not be shallow as to break up due to materialistic reasons.

    There is going to be a minority that would and as recession hits, more will break up due to materialistic reasons. IMO of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Blue oranges


    Money means JACK. I have recently met someone who is on the dole and money has never been mentioned or even an issue!! He has a good heart, fun, caring, talented(in many ways)spontanious and all the other things REAL ladies look for. Never once have I ever been turned on or turned off by money.

    Im presuming X does not disagree with her friend staying wit someone for money?? A wise person use to ay ''show me your friends and ill show you who you are''. She will eventually end up unhappy Karma and all of that...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭b3t4


    There's a saying, something like 'Love goes out the window, when bills come in the door'.

    Money does matter. If it didn't nobody would work a day in their life.

    A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    b3t4 wrote: »
    There's a saying, something like 'Love goes out the window, when bills come in the door'.

    Money does matter. If it didn't nobody would work a day in their life.

    A.

    only to a certain extent tho.

    lack of money were you can't pay the bills puts a certain preasure on a relationship

    not been able to eat in mint and have a 200e dinner 3 nights a week is a different kettle of fish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭b3t4


    ntlbell wrote: »
    not been able to eat in mint and have a 200e dinner 3 nights a week is a different kettle of fish.
    I totally agree there.

    The thing is though that the OP asked whether money mattered. In my opinion, to say that money doesn't matter is farcical.

    A.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,252 ✭✭✭✭Madame Razz


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    I am well aware of that but Im just asking to find out what peoples personal opinions are on the matter especially given the current economic toilet we are in.
    If roles were reversed and I told her "sorry,Im crazy about you but you dont have a good enough job for me" which is what X said if you trim away the fat, how would I be viewed?Like a total prick I would imagine.It seems to be ok to be a girl going out with a well off guy but society appears to frown upon the flip side of that.Jesus its not as if I expected her to pay for anything,if I had money then I was willing to part with it.


    Because often if a woman has a lesser paid/not as good job that is perceived as OK, in fact I think some men rather women who are less successful/lower earning than themselves, it does something for their ego/protective streak almost.

    Personally, I am materialistic in the sense that I like nice things, but also I have a house, a car, a good job, so I can provide those things for myself, I don't need a man for that; I don't want a man for that. In a relationship I like to pay my way and think that it is almost easier this way, esp if you as a couple break up.

    I dated a guy for a while who was an extremely successful wealthy businessman, ridiculously so. Treated me well, wined me and dined me, was mad about me, and while he was a sweet guy and his intentions were in the right place he just didn't do it for me, so I cut him adrift. And most peoples comments after they heard about it was 'but he's loaded, why did you get rid of him', cos some poeple are that shallow.

    Money etc is not the be all and end all for me. I would prefer to be with somebody who was happy in what they are doing and made me happy. That a person would stay with somebody because they are wealthy is pretty pathetic to be honest, but I also know that it is widespread.

    In ways, it will be interesting to see how this recession pans out in this regard, as there's a hell of a lot of businessmen with a lot less money in the pockets now.


    That said, I detest meaness in people and in a man find it the biggest turn off of all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    You will come accross people like that. Women especially I think. I was always taught to look after myself, I have a pretty good savings ethic, but I guess some girls are groomed to be looked after, either consciously or subconsciously by their parents.

    My boyfriend went out with a girl about 5 years ago who broke up with him for similar reasons. He was going through a tough patch, was on the dole, finding it hard to get on his feet and she basically told him she was worried he wouldn't be able to look after her. Apparently she's married to someone now who will be able to do that. For richer or poorer :rolleyes: Goldigger.

    It's not important to me and although he earns good money now I can see something similar happening to him during this recession. I will of course help him out if I can and would never even consider splitting up with him for this reason.

    There are people who can't get beyond financial status and there are poeple who are only too delighted to oblige them by looking after them. Fortunately I haven't met too many of these and I hope you will meet someone soon who sees ONLY your personality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Burial


    If a girl told me that the problem in our relationship was that I wasn't earning enough, I'd tell her I live quite well by myself on the salary I make.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭rain on


    As long as a guy is self-sufficient it doesn't matter to me how much he earns. My BF earns less than me (only by about €2k) and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

    Actually to be completely honest I think I'd be a bit uncomfortable if a guy earned like two or three times what I do, it wouldn't put me off him completely but I'm more comfortable with a guy who earns similar amounts to me, we have similar lifestyles and make equal contributions to shared expenses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Any and all relationships are selfish things. You see something in a person that you want for yourself. We can colour it all we want, but the very fact of wanting someone just for yourself is selfish.

    So, now that we have that out of the way,

    Relationships are also all about give and take. What are you willing to give and what do you want to take? Once the two people are perfectly honest with each other and happy with the arrangement then all is good to me. If money is an aspect that attracts someone and they go out with a rich partner then so be it. If that partner knows it, but is willing to spend the cash to make them happy, then so be it.

    It's the same with looks, personality, humour...anything. You assign a value to it, what it means to you, and then you do what you can to make the person who matches up to those characterisitcs happy.

    What seems to have gone here is that your then girlfriend was valuing the money, more than the thought. You were not really in a position to offer her the things she felt she wanted. Shame, but it happens.

    One of the my favourite quotes around this things is actually from, of all people, Donald Trumps bird. When asked would she be with him if he wasn't incredibly rich, she simply replied "Would he be with me if I wasn't beautiful?".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    I used to have a friend who vetted men according to their wallets, I could not in conscience be friends with someone who was so shallow. If a guy is caring and considerate and does want to work that is good enough for me. I always thought that I was going to be the high flyer in any case and wanted someone who would be there for me (maybe I am the shallow one now)...as it turns out you can not have everything in life and I would rather have extra time with my husband than extra pay. Life is all about priorities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    b3t4 wrote: »
    I totally agree there.

    The thing is though that the OP asked whether money mattered. In my opinion, to say that money doesn't matter is farcical.

    A.

    You are totally over simplifing my OP.Of course money matters,we need to be housed,clothed,fed etc but Im on about the things that I would view as being excessive eg weekly expensive dinners or 5 holidays a year.
    Her birthday last year for example,I wanted to do something special as it was close to our anniversary too so the day of her birthday I had roses delivered to her place of work,picked her up in a cab after work,went for drinks,out for a really good meal,champagne afterwards plus presents on top of that.This was alot of expenditure in one go as I am on a pretty tight budget but I made a couple of sacrifices in the preceding and following weeks to allow for it.I didnt have any problem at all doing this,in fact I enjoyed doing it.What I was asking in my OP was if money (discounting the day to day expenses we all have) was a deciding factor for females in general when it comes to being with someone or are the material things in life just an aspect that a few would deem to be important in a relationship.That is all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    You are totally over simplifing my OP.Of course money matters,we need to be housed,clothed,fed etc but Im on about the things that I would view as being excessive eg weekly expensive dinners or 5 holidays a year.
    Her birthday last year for example,I wanted to do something special as it was close to our anniversary too so the day of her birthday I had roses delivered to her place of work,picked her up in a cab after work,went for drinks,out for a really good meal,champagne afterwards plus presents on top of that.This was alot of expenditure in one go as I am on a pretty tight budget but I made a couple of sacrifices in the preceding and following weeks to allow for it.I didnt have any problem at all doing this,in fact I enjoyed doing it.What I was asking in my OP was if money (discounting the day to day expenses we all have) was a deciding factor for females in general when it comes to being with someone or are the material things in life just an aspect that a few would deem to be important in a relationship.That is all.
    Maybe I am picking you up wrong here, but would you really want to be with someone so shallow and cold? You had a lucky escape and sound like a really decent guy, there are lots of women who will apreciate you, you just have not met your princess yet!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭nomorebadtown


    i've been to mint and chapter one

    both sheit


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 375 ✭✭Curlypinkie


    The reasons she gave you don't make sense to me? If she was on such good money and say you were on less, why did she expect you to pay for said Mint, Unicorn, Leprechaun or whatever them places are called?

    Sounds to me she was just spoilt rotten and expected things from others not giving antyhing back herself.

    To answer your questions, yes money is, for me, important in a relationship. I've gone out with a lad or two who didn't have a job and I always felt like a sugarmama.
    I think that both partners need to be on pretty much the same income level or there might be issues with one of them feeling inferior. (Pls note I said MIGHT)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    CathyMoran wrote: »
    Maybe I am picking you up wrong here, but would you really want to be with someone so shallow and cold? You had a lucky escape and sound like a really decent guy, there are lots of women who will apreciate you, you just have not met your princess yet!


    Ha ha ha,thanks for the kind words!
    Most definitly not,I certainly wouldnt want to be in relationship that I felt I was being resented in because of my current financial standing.These things only came to light at the end.If they had been or I thought they were an issue from the outset I wouldnt have gotten involved.Vaccuous and status seeking people bug the hell out of me.I find it particularly loathsome in females.Feck it sure,its not the end of the world anyway its just something Ive been pondering over the last few weeks.Thanks for all the replys guys.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    The reasons she gave you don't make sense to me? If she was on such good money and say you were on less, why did she expect you to pay for said Mint, Unicorn, Leprechaun or whatever them places are called?

    Sounds to me she was just spoilt rotten and expected things from others not giving antyhing back herself.

    To answer your questions, yes money is, for me, important in a relationship. I've gone out with a lad or two who didn't have a job and I always felt like a sugarmama.
    I think that both partners need to be on pretty much the same income level or there might be issues with one of them feeling inferior. (Pls note I said MIGHT)

    Its not that she expected me to pay all the time,maybe I should have made that clearer in my OP.We had split things most of the time say if we were away for a weekend things like that so thats why her revelations came as such a shock.Her bone of contention(or what she told me anyway)was that we wernt going out to fancy restaurants on a regular basis and that we hadnt been on many holidays.As I said in my OP,she brought up her friend that had been on 5 or 6 holidays/foreign weekends over the time we were together,all paid for by the guy she was seeing.X was jealous of this and said if I wasnt able to do these things then she couldnt see a future as she expected this from a partner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭corkhero


    I would be delighted if i was you.

    I'd much rather go out with a girl thats with me for who i am and not for money.

    I'd say forget her and move on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭CeilingCat


    Spew... needless to say, lucky escape.

    That mentality in a woman (or a man) really pees me off... they give people who are not materialistic shallow a$$holes a bad name.

    Big turn off if a guy is always wittering on about money, and trying to impress you with his wallet too, imo. I feel very uncomfortable with not paying my own share... presents are cool and all (to give and receive), but if it's something really expensive and pointless, I can't help thinking how much better use that money could've been put to, by someone who needed it :o

    I think all relationships should have to go through a period of being really skint tbh... the true colours come out to a certain extent.
    Seanies32 wrote: »

    Sad thing is, we'll have to listen to the spoilt princesses readjusting!

    It's going to be great entertainment for the rest of us though...
    *grabs popcorn (from Lidl) and waits*
    I've gone out with a lad or two who didn't have a job and I always felt like a sugarmama.

    That's equally as big a turn off, for me - but only if the guy isn't bothered with looking for a job and is happy to let me pay for everything. I have no problem helping him out if he's genuinely stuck though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭PrivateEye


    I'd much rather go out with a girl thats with me for who i am and not for money.

    Spot to the On.

    Exhibit A: Donald Trumps Missus:

    donald_trump.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    nedtheshed wrote: »
    Its not that she expected me to pay all the time,maybe I should have made that clearer in my OP.We had split things most of the time say if we were away for a weekend things like that so thats why her revelations came as such a shock.Her bone of contention(or what she told me anyway)was that we wernt going out to fancy restaurants on a regular basis and that we hadnt been on many holidays.As I said in my OP,she brought up her friend that had been on 5 or 6 holidays/foreign weekends over the time we were together,all paid for by the guy she was seeing.X was jealous of this and said if I wasnt able to do these things then she couldnt see a future as she expected this from a partner.

    lordy:rolleyes:... seriously OP there are very few women who would expect this. I also imagine there aren't that many men around who can afford that level of extravagance so good luck to her!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I've had one or two like that in the past. Usually from women who were around equal with me money wise. The worst offender was minted. My money was "our" money, her money was "hers" kinda dealio.

    Funny every single woman I've met or went out with who had bugger all money were actually the first to put their hands in their pockets, even to the extent of leaving themselves short. They also didn't whine about it either. They may have joked about it, but that was about it.

    TBH if I had a son and he asked for my advice on life and relationships, I have to say one of the things I would most likely tell him, is to work from early on to get a decent head of steam money wise. It would increase his possibilities women wise. If I had a daughter I would advise among other things, find a kind man, first and foremost, but find a man who can support you both emotionally and financially if the worst comes to the worst.

    Now that's a very general thing and thankfully with more and more equality for women and support for their biology it's less of an issue. As I say there are many women not like that, but I would say that subconsciously at least a lot are. I can see why and frankly I would agree with them. If a woman wants to have a family, she will need at least some financial support when she does get pregnant. Those children will need financial support too. Now of course I know plenty of women earning a load more than men and are better with money than men and capable of looking after themselves with a small village thrown in, but having a family can put them in a far more vulnerable position than a man having a family.

    You see this in a big way in cultures where the social security backup is minimal or non existent. The US would be a good example. Yes they have social security, but not nearly to the same degree as most european countries. Medical bills alone are astronomical there. The safety net is a lot smaller there and it's all too easy to slip through the cracks. American women would in my experience at least be more open about looking for financial security in a man and as I say, naturally so. Many of the eastern european countries would have a similar thing going on.

    Go to really poor countries where there is no safety net and a man's wealth can be the most attractive thing about him.

    I would suspect of this economic depression really starts to bite in a 1930's stylee, I can see this being even more important.

    In many ways, marrying or going out with a poor bloke is a kind of happy indulgence born of a society more supportive of those who may slip through the net. Indeed I would even say the freer women are to make a mate choice outside of finance is a good indicator of a more equal and healthy society for all.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭St Bill


    Dragan wrote: »
    One of the my favourite quotes around this things is actually from, of all people, Donald Trumps wife/girlfriend. When asked would she be with him if he wasn't incredibly rich, she simply replied "Would he be with me if I wasn't beautiful?".

    that's a brilliant quote....puts the boot into moaning begrudgers!

    OP, your ex sounds like an idiot. She'll never be happy, always wanting what someone else has, instead of realising she has everything she needs.
    Fool.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 iseeyou


    You are well shot of her. Of course money matters to an extent, but I would never ever consider going out with someone based on their bank balance. Its not the amount of money you have, its what you do with it that matters. I would much rather be in a kebab shop laughing my head off with a bloke who gave me something money couldnt buy, rather than being in an upmarket restaurant with someone so we appear to everyone else as a well to do couple. Look she obviously had the maturity of a 5 year old if she thought that because you didnt earn as much as she would have liked that you were not good enough for her, and she will learn her lesson when she meets someone who does meet her financial criteria but treats her like crap. Yes, unfortunately there are women out there that think money is the only thing that matters, the same way that there are men out there that think that looks are all that matters. These people are stupid because money and looks fade but if your not left with someone who you can talk to and laugh with then you have nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭St Bill


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Now that's a very general thing and thankfully with more and more equality for women and support for their biology it's less of an issue. As I say there are many women not like that, but I would say that subconsciously at least a lot are. I can see why and frankly I would agree with them. If a woman wants to have a family, she will need at least some financial support when she does get pregnant. Those children will need financial support too. Now of course I know plenty of women earning a load more than men and are better with money than men and capable of looking after themselves with a small village thrown in, but having a family can put them in a far more vulnerable position than a man having a family.

    There's definitely no harm in finding a partner who can help you financially support any family you might have. It makes sense, no point in putting yourself (and children) under pressure.
    I think what is more important though is that the man realises what needs to be done re finance. Regardless of the money he earns, if he's willing to go out and get the money to support his wife (if she's not working outside the home) and his children, things should work out okay. I mean, a wealthy man could have 'earned' his money through inheritance, and then when a family comes along, he might decide to up sticks and leave, or p*ss his money away down the pub!
    I suppose what I'm trying to say that a man's character is more important than the amount of money he has


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Loomis


    b3t4 wrote: »
    I totally agree there.

    The thing is though that the OP asked whether money mattered. In my opinion, to say that money doesn't matter is farcical.

    A.

    No, he asked would it matter in deciding to be with someone. From that position, and the position he was in with the girl, there are no bills or pressure that you mention. This was down to wanting posh restaurants and expensive holidays because the girl's friends were getting them.
    There's a huge difference between wanting money for an expensive holiday and needing money to pay bills as a couple. One creates pressure, the other has nothing to do with pressure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭CeilingCat


    Wibbs wrote: »
    TBH if I had a son and he asked for my advice on life and relationships, I have to say one of the things I would most likely tell him, is to work from early on to get a decent head of steam money wise.

    If I had a daughter, I would give exactly the same advice - so that she could buy her own Louis Vuitton handbags, or whatever it is that floats her boat - and be able to support herself and her children if the need ever arose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Money is definitely important in relationships. There is a reason why its cited as the most common cause of divorce. I think more than anything else its important that a couple have similar attitudes to money. I couldnt live with anyone who consistently spended beyond their means, or with someone who was very tight with money. It would be important to me that we were compatible that way, more important than the size of the pay packet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    No, he asked would it matter in deciding to be with someone. From that position, and the position he was in with the girl, there are no bills or pressure that you mention. This was down to wanting posh restaurants and expensive holidays because the girl's friends were getting them.
    There's a huge difference between wanting money for an expensive holiday and needing money to pay bills as a couple. One creates pressure, the other has nothing to do with pressure.

    No thanks left but had to quote you.

    Thank God the recession should sort out a fair bit of these unreasonable expectations.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭b3t4


    My partner earns substantially less than I do.

    Does it worry me now?
    Nope

    Will it worry me in the future?
    Yes

    Why?
    Like it or loathe it a woman has to go through pregnancy. Biology sucks like that. While I'm pregnant my partner will have to support me through it in a financial manner. Also, due to the category I lie in (stable relationship, mid twenties) coupled with the times we live in I'm less likely to be promoted or even given a job in some cases.

    Carrying both the financial and physical burden of a family is a pretty big ask of someone, anyways

    So, in my opinion, money will matter to a female. To what degree it matters will depend on the female in question. In the OP's X's case it mattered enough for her to break up with him. TBH it sounds like she just wasn't that into you and came up with a lame excuse to break up with you. If you were the love of her life then I think she'd find it impossible to walk away so easy.

    A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    b3t4 wrote: »
    My partner earns substantially less than I do.

    Does it worry me now?
    Nope

    Will it worry me in the future?
    Yes

    Why?
    Like it or loathe it a woman has to go through pregnancy. Biology sucks like that. While I'm pregnant my partner will have to support me through it in a financial manner. Also, due to the category I lie in (stable relationship, mid twenties) coupled with the times we live in I'm less likely to be promoted or even given a job in some cases.

    Carrying both the financial and physical burden of a family is a pretty big ask of someone, anyways

    So, in my opinion, money will matter to a female. To what degree it matters will depend on the female in question. In the OP's X's case it mattered enough for her to break up with him. TBH it sounds like she just wasn't that into you and came up with a lame excuse to break up with you. If you were the love of her life then I think she'd find it impossible to walk away so easy.

    A.

    Or, going on the information to hand, she's a spoilt, materialistic Princess?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    b3t4 wrote: »

    TBH it sounds like she just wasn't that into you and came up with a lame excuse to break up with you. If you were the love of her life then I think she'd find it impossible to walk away so easy.

    I never said I was the love of her life or her mine.We had only been together for around a year.Whether it was just a lame excuse as you put it or not is not the question at hand,my question was about the importance of wealth/material things in a partner to the general populace.As for her not being able to walk away easily if I was the love of her life,have you read some of the recent posts in the PI forum?People there got dumped out of the blue by fiances or people they had been seeing for 4 or 5 years so I would have to disagree with you on that point too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭Niamho!


    fits wrote: »
    Lucky escape by the sounds of it to me.

    I'd be more than prepared to go out with someone 'at early stages of career' if everything else was right. More than prepared. Money is definitely down on the list of priorities.

    And I do enjoy the odd good meal but would be prepared to pay for it myself.

    I 100% Agree.

    Any girl who cares about money and things like what kind of Car a man drives (used to work with one) in my opinion has no morals. A waste of space.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭bills


    Money wont make you happy. My boyf earns very little at moment & we are perfectly happy. Ofcousre, money might help remove some stress. Personally, I wouldnt want to be dependant on a man for money though. If you are happy in your relationship you will work through money problems but vice versa, im not so sure...


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Marco Future Bubble


    b3t4 wrote:
    Like it or loathe it a woman has to go through pregnancy.
    Well, good to know I have no choice in the matter and it's all been settled for me

    has someone picked my husband for me as well yet


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