What Is Happening To Our Scientists????

WakeUp

Hello all. something is going on with our scientists although the overall bigger picture is anyones guess....


The list of scientists linked on the bottom of the page has not been 100% confirmed by me it should be pointed out.
It is not 100% certain that Bonomo and Ferez where looking into Avian Flu. Because of this Im editing the original piece and taking that out until I have some evidence that they were. Will reply to your posts later on Im in work cant at the moment.

Everybody might remember the anthrax attacks in the US in 2001. For seven years the US had no suspects though it was blamed on "terrorists", this changed August of last year(08). It was then leaked that the FBI had been interrogating a potential suspect the only one so far in the case. His name was Dr. Bruce Ivins a US army microbiologist working on a vaccine for anthrax. He maintained his innocence throughout the questioning. As of Aug 02 2008 Bruce Ivins was to be charged with the attacks. A few days later he was dead. He had taken his own life. This is another example of a high profile scientist meeting an untimely death recently.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25961053/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9726


What has not been reported in the media properly, if at all, is that between 1996 & 2008 over 80 of the worlds leading scientists in the fields of biological weapons, virology, biotechnology and microbiology among others have all been murdered, met untimely deaths or disappeared. Prior to the death of Bruce Ivins in August 08 the most recent additions to the long list of dead & missing bio -experts were Laurent Bonomo & Gabriel Ferez two of Frances most researchers who were brutally murdered in London, July 2008. Bonomo and Ferez were specialists in infectious disease and environmental engineering. The officers who attended the scene said it was the most horrific sight they had ever witnessed. Both of them had been tied to chairs, tortured, stabbed at least 250 times between them and then set on fire.

The majority of these scientists were at the top of their profession in positions of power and influence and leading the way in development research in their respective fields. One of the things a lot of them have in common from what I can see is that the research they were involved in was aimed at preventing, halting or eradicating pandemic viral strains as opposed to developing them. This is the most detailed chronological list (96-07) I can find on the internet that includes photos and reports on each scientist I think its something people should be very aware of.
**Bonomo & Ferez were studying at Londons Imperial College an institution leading the way in investigating HN51. They were also friends and living together. They had suffered a burglary a few weeks before they were murdered and had their laptops stolen. Are the two events linked? Is their subsequent torture & death a result of the information the laptops contained?..
http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html follow the link dead scientists on webpage.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4289608.ece Bonomo & Ferez murders

are any or all of these deaths in someway linked? do each of these dead and missing scientists have one piece of some overall bigger picture??...

Nick_oliveri

Another line of inquiry is the possibility that the pair had been tortured for the PINs of their bankcards.

Yeah, because it takes multiple stabbings before you willingly give such sensitive information. Very disturbing **** there. Dont get too caught up in researching this stuff for your own health. I do admit it does seem like theres something going on if all those names and causes are verifible.

Something definatley went on surrounding the Anthrax attacks. Im sure I posted on this forum about that before, ill have a look back.

WakeUp

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Yeah, because it takes multiple stabbings before you willingly give such sensitive information. Very disturbing **** there. Dont get too caught up in researching this stuff for your own health. I do admit it does seem like theres something going on if all those names and causes are verifible.

Something definatley went on surrounding the Anthrax attacks. Im sure I posted on this forum about that before, ill have a look back.

Ty for the concern m8. yeah agree totally about the pin card its a ridiculous motive it was a really shocking crime. I was searching the threads to see if there was anything about this and anthrax but couldnt find any be great if you can find that thread would love to see it. I have to admit I havent verified all the names on the list im trying to but it isnt easy very little media coverage on any of them although judging by descriptions and details and I have listend to Steve quale on the radio before talking about this Id say there accurate, but it was 2004 when I heard him and only 40 were dead or missing, its no 83 last time I checked something is very up Bonomo and Ferez were into some deep research apparently that isnt available vague reports unless you have a degree in microbiology its hard understand, definately think ppl should know about this hopefull u can find that thread maybe theres another piece of the puzzle there

Nick_oliveri

Just came across it in my post history, I read into it a lot. I stopped "researching" because I was getting a bit fanatical(?).

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055347545

It would be wise to verify the victims names, circumstances and the names of the peoples or organisations with theories on what may have occurred. But that equates to painstaking lonely research.

WakeUp

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Just came across it in my post history, I read into it a lot. I stopped "researching" because I was getting a bit fanatical(?).

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055347545

It would be wise to verify the victims names, circumstances and the names of the peoples or organisations with theories on what may have occurred. But that equates to painstaking lonely research.

lol know that fanatical feeling will have a read of that thread now thanks nick. First person I heard talk about this was Art Bell on coast to coast before he retired lots of them went missing and died when he ws on air he use to talk about them alot it use to really freak him out and me aswell dont think you need to be a detective to spot a patern. I have some media reports on some of them Im gona try get them for all of them when I have them I ll post them all together im gona read the anthrax thread something well dodgy about that!...

Nick_oliveri

WakeUp wrote: »

m gona read the anthrax thread something well dodgy about that!...

Indeed, make sure and read the timeline link in that thread, its pretty essential and im delighted its still active. Him testing the office is very contradictory.

WakeUp

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Indeed, make sure and read the timeline link in that thread, its pretty essential and im delighted its still active. Him testing the office is very contradictory.

Bruce Ivins was set up for sure it doesnt add up what you know about fort detrick Nick is there a secret offensive bio-weapons program there. I know the US is alleged to have one in Indonesia Naval Medical Research unit, NMRU2 set up by Rockerfella during world war two is Detrick the top bio lab in the US?..

Nick_oliveri

Its for the testing of certain high level strains, the timeline link goes into detail on Deithrich(sorry!) and the level of safety checks and security involved. I really enjoyed reading that timeline at the time, i might flick through it again.

WakeUp

Detrick is fairly high profile isnt it probably not the best place for a secret bio weapons program but you never know stranger things have happened. How come it took them seven years to blame Ivins that man was so set up its not even funny whatever he knew ( should not know ) hes taken it with him all in all it just doesnt add up everything about them attacks well dodgy and because of them lots of new laws passed to combat "terrorism" just doesnt feel right..

How do you know that Laurent Bonomo and Gabriel Ferez were working on bird flu? I can find no mention of that anywhere.
And quite frankly I would not consider 2nd year masters students "top of their profession in positions of power and influence and leading the way in development research in their respective fields." It's very misleading to say that.

Edit: After looking on that list of dead scientists on the site you gave. It seem it includes any biologist who died for any reason. You could probably put together a similar list of teachers or dentists, therefore there is a conspiracy to kill all our teachers and dentists.

Edit edit: http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/index2.html. Seriously? Giants?

Nick_oliveri

This theory has been around for a while. If the names and circumstances on Quales page are correct it would seem that some are dying in similar circumstances-cars exploding/being set alight, multiple hits to the head, poisons and plane crashes.

Athough cancer, strokes and other ailments are very easily dismissed and shouldnt be included.

http://valis.gnn.tv/B16098

Lol @ Giants

Nick_oliveri

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

This theory has been around for a while. If the names and circumstances on Quales page are correct it would seem that some are dying in similar circumstances-cars exploding/being set alight, multiple hits to the head, poisons and plane crashes.

Athough cancer, strokes and other ailments are very easily dismissed and shouldnt be included.

It should also be pointed out that several listed where in Iraq in 2004, not exactly the safest time or place.
And that several of the scientist listed weren't developing bio weapons or working in infectious disease.
Again I'd imagine that you'd be able to make a list of teachers and find a similar correlation.

Also I've a tendency not to take a man who believe in giants very seriously.

Nick_oliveri

King Mob wrote: »

Also I've a tendency not to take a man who believe in giants very seriously.

Its not just his opinion as the link above shows, ive also found a thread from 2001 in another forum discussing this to go along with my link .
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/15868
Although its probably not the best forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=217949&mesg_id=217949
http://www.anitarowland.com/gmarchives/00000286.html
The "debunking" link has been removed or has come of age.

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=teachers+murdered&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

WakeUp

King Mob wrote: »

How do you know that Laurent Bonomo and Gabriel Ferez were working on bird flu? I can find no mention of that anywhere.
And quite frankly I would not consider 2nd year masters students "top of their profession in positions of power and influence and leading the way in development research in their respective fields." It's very misleading to say that.

Its not nearly as clear cut as that nobody knows for sure exactly what they were researching or who the really were. Some people believe they were French secret service agents because when they died it was the French General Directorate for External Security (DGSE)who announced there death which is strange to say the least. They studied at Londons Imperial College which leads the way in HN51 research, Bonomo was a specialist in proteins that cause infectious disease. Both attended Clermont-Ferrand Polytech in Auvergne where the best scientists in france go to learn because of their talent they were selected to go to London these two were very gifted. If they working with avian flu and it was groundbreaking theres a good chance it was classified all in all its just one big mystery. The police have two people in custody awaiting trial this April the 29 it satrts if I remember correctly. Both have pleaded not guilty and are refusing to talk. Will be very interesting to see what comes out at this trial.

WakeUp

Just like to say I dont believe in what Steve Quale goes on about it was the best list I could find with details on it nothing more. Im in the process of trying to confirm each and evry person on that list and what happened to them when I do ill either tick them off or cross them off which ever it may be theres the information make of it what you will.

Nick_oliveri

Teachers probably wouldn't be the best comparison, school shootings and student grudges and all that. Maybe Paleontologist or Archaeologist would be better.

Tristram

I blame the mods.

WakeUp

WakeUp wrote: »

Its not nearly as clear cut as that nobody knows for sure exactly what they were researching or who the really were.

You just said that Bonomo was a specialist in proteins that cause infectious diseases and give a good bit of detail about their education.

WakeUp wrote: »

Some people believe they were French secret service agents because when they died it was the French General Directorate for External Security (DGSE)who announced there death which is strange to say the least.

Therefore: conspiracy! Might've had something to do with french citizens being murdered in a different country. Akso wouldn't 22 be a bit young for the intelligence service? And what where they spying on?

WakeUp wrote: »

They studied at Londons Imperial College which leads the way in HN51 research, Bonomo was a specialist in proteins that cause infectious disease.

Yea they were 2nd year master students. Doubt very much they were heading up the department or doing much other than their thesis.

WakeUp wrote: »

Both attended Clermont-Ferrand Polytech in Auvergne where the best scientists in france go to learn because of their talent they were selected to go to London these two were very gifted.

But didn't you say :"Its not nearly as clear cut as that nobody knows for sure exactly what they were researching or who the really were"?

WakeUp wrote: »

If they working with avian flu and it was groundbreaking theres a good chance it was classified all in all its just one big mystery.

So if they were working on avian flu and if they had a major breakthrough (despite being just students and there being no record of it) there might be a conspiracy if the NWO or whatever didn't want a breakthrough.
You can see my issue with this theory.

WakeUp wrote: »

The police have two people in custody awaiting trial this August the 29 it satrts if I remember correctly. Both have pleaded not guilty and are refusing to talk. Will be very interesting to see what comes out at this trial.

Pleading not guilty and refusing to talk? Wow, that never happens. It must be a conspiracy!

Nick_oliveri

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Teachers probably wouldn't be the best comparison, school shootings and student grudges and all that. Maybe Paleontologist or Archaeologist would be better.

Well what about all the Archaeologists who were killed to cover up the existence of giants????

Think I'll stick with dentists.

Nick_oliveri

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=teachers+murdered&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Oh god please don't call me on that.
I'd like to still have a life.:pac:

Nick_oliveri

King Mob wrote: »

Well what about all the Archaeologists who were killed to cover up the existence of giants????

Think I'll stick with dentists.

Now now, lets not take the piss because of one bad link, im certainly interested in this because of the causes of death, most notably the two Fledgling scientists in the OP. Very gruesome. It takes a lot to disturb me, and some of the other supposed causes are just as effective and malicious.

King Mob wrote: »

Oh god please don't call me on that.
I'd like to still have a life.:pac:

Nick_oliveri

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Now now, lets not take the piss because of one bad link, im certainly interested in this because of the causes of death, most notably the two Fledgling scientists in the OP. Very gruesome. It takes a lot to disturb me, and some of the other supposed causes are just as effective and malicious.

It's a bit misleading to include these guys in a list of "top scientists" who have died in mysterious circumstances.
Chances are that some nut job just broke into their flat went nuts and stabbed them 250+ times. One of those article said something like half of the wounds were done post mortum.

Nick_oliveri

King Mob wrote: »

It's a bit misleading to include these guys in a list of "top scientists" who have died in mysterious circumstances.

I acknowledge that, what I was trying to say was it was the most disturbing out of the lot, as isolated and random as it may have been. The motive/theory of torture for the PIN of the credit or bank cards strikes me as bullshít. I would have said whoever done it was a crackpot, for the kicks.

Nick_oliveri

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

I acknowledge that, what I was trying to say was it was the most disturbing out of the lot, as isolated and random as it may have been. The motive/theory of torture for the PIN of the credit or bank cards strikes me as bullshít. I would have said whoever done it was a crackpot, for the kicks.

As gruesome as it is, it might be the case that they were tortured first then stabbed repeatedly.
But chances are a guy (or guys) who stab a person 250 time ain't exactly stable.

Nick_oliveri

One thing that disturbs me is torture, i wouldnt wish what they went through on my worst enemies or random scumbag. And im of a near vigilante mindset! If only i was bigger and knew karate and had a cape.

Also, "mob"( ) or group mentality (if there were multiple torturers) with an incident such as this eludes me, one would have to be less unstable than the other, i'd hope one of them wouldn't want the pain and suffering to continue, its not a shared mindset. The reason i say this, how do you tie up two men on your own without a sedative? I suppose he could have had a weapon. Enough thinking...

Nick_oliveri

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

One thing that disturbs me is torture, i wouldnt wish what they went through on my worst enemies or random scumbag. And im of a near vigilante mindset! If only i was bigger and knew karate and had a cape.

http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Batman-Possibility-Paul-Zehr/dp/0801890632 I'm more of a Green Arrow fan tbh.

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

The reason i say this, how do you tie up two men on your own without a sedative? I suppose he could have had a weapon. Enough thinking...

Well he did have a weapon. And I believe they have two people in custody. So it's not a far fetched scenario.

WakeUp

Mob I understand where your coming from and have edited the piece accordingly with reagrd to Bonomo & ferez. Most of them are or were top scientist imo. I probably should of posted individual reports which is what Im going to do now these are the first 11 cases on the list....

Mario Alberto Vargas Olvera> unable to confirm his death report but he worked at UABC , Universidad Autonom de Baja California he existed even found a phone number for his old department.
http://www.uabc.mx/
http://fciencias.ens.uabc.mx/webfc/index.php?ic=517&br=1

Lee Jon-Woo> died of a blood clot on his brain. WHO director general at the time reported in mainstream media.

Leonid Strachunsky > report from Center for Security Studies at the
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Zurich. Type his name in search bar on left of page and it will bring up the report. According to Smolensk medical workers he was taken out by the “pharmaceutical” mafia whatever that means.
http://sedev.isn.ch/serviceengine/FileContent?serviceID=PublishingHouse&fileid=EB4D33A7-6AA9-CF43-97DF-41BBB1D9796E&lng=en

Robert J Lull> ruled as homicide.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/20/SFSLAY.TMP
http://jnm.snmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/46/7/13N.pdf


Todd Kaupilla > little or no information available about this man.

David Banks> died in a plane crash Queensland, Australia 2005 along with fourteen other people.
http://avacms.eseries.hengesystems.com.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=2005_Media_Releases&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=4044


Douglas James Passaro > died of unknown causes 2005 little information available.
http://www.finddoctors.org/dr-douglas-passaro.html

Geetha Angara> ruled as homicide found in a water treatment tank.
http://www.geethaangara.com/

Jeong H. Im > ruled as homicide.
http://www.mupolice.com/pr/22/index.php

Darwin Kenneth Vest > missing since 1999 legally declared dead since 2004.

Thom Thorne & Beth Williams > killed in a car crash 2004.
http://www.acvp.org/news/newsletter/mar2005.pdf

WakeUp

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

One thing that disturbs me is torture, i wouldnt wish what they went through on my worst enemies or random scumbag. And im of a near vigilante mindset! If only i was bigger and knew karate and had a cape.

Also, "mob"( ) or group mentality (if there were multiple torturers) with an incident such as this eludes me, one would have to be less unstable than the other, i'd hope one of them wouldn't want the pain and suffering to continue, its not a shared mindset. The reason i say this, how do you tie up two men on your own without a sedative? I suppose he could have had a weapon. Enough thinking...

the fact they were tortured so brutally would suggest a few things. One there was most surely more than one person involved unless as pointed out one on his own had a weapon.
The police estimate the ordeal lasted hours whatever info the wanted they really wanted it. At what point in a "burglary" do you tie somebody up stab them hundreds of times and then set them on fire?, personally I think theres more to this than meets the eye will be intersting to see waht comes out in court, was it a professional hit??? well see.

WakeUp

WakeUp wrote: »

Mob I understand where your coming from and have edited the piece accordingly with reagrd to Bonomo & ferez. Most of them are or were top scientist imo. I probably should of posted individual reports which is what Im going to do now these are the first 11 cases on the list....

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I still remain unconvinced.
It's not exactly impossible that scientists die.

Only 4 of the cases you reference above were actual murders.
And of those 4 none where in the same field of study. In fact the only thing thats connecting them is the fact they're scientists (actually Robert J Lull was a doctor.)
Also why would the NWO or what ever kill these scientists?

There's as much a conspiracy to kill archeologists as there is scientists.

WakeUp

WakeUp wrote: »

The police estimate the ordeal lasted hours whatever info the wanted they really wanted it. At what point in a "burglary" do you tie somebody up stab them hundreds of times and then set them on fire?, personally I think theres more to this than meets the eye will be intersting to see waht comes out in court, was it a professional hit??? well see.

A professional hitman wouldn't have been caught and would have been more professional.
Robbery mightn't have been the motive.

And why exactly would anyone want random 2nd year students dead?

WakeUp

King Mob wrote: »

A professional hitman wouldn't have been caught and would have been more professional.
Robbery mightn't have been the motive.

And why exactly would anyone want random 2nd year students dead?

know something I agree with you if the people in custody are "hitmen" amateurs doesnt even come close to describing them. But what if it was their job to finish them off burn the bodies disgusting as it sounds and get rid of the evidence? what if somebody else interrogated them and then left the scene? People were alerted by a reported explosion in the house, did they try blow the place up or whatever and make a mess of it? Personally I feel there is nothing random about this case. Imo its a well thought out ,cold, brutal targeted murder I think there is much more to this story everything points imo to a targeted killing in some shape or form.

WakeUp

WakeUp wrote: »

know something I agree with you if the people in custody are "hitmen" amateurs doesnt even come close to describing them. But what if it was their job to finish them off burn the bodies disgusting as it sounds and get rid of the evidence? what if somebody else interrogated them and then left the scene? People were alerted by a reported explosion in the house, did they try blow the place up or whatever and make a mess of it? Personally I feel there is nothing random about this case. Imo its a well thought out ,cold, brutal targeted murder I think there is much more to this story everything points imo to a targeted killing in some shape or form.

And what leads you to believe they were targeted by a conspiracy?
Who would want them dead and why?

WakeUp

King Mob wrote: »

I still remain unconvinced.
It's not exactly impossible that scientists die.

Only 4 of the cases you reference above were actual murders.
And of those 4 none where in the same field of study. In fact the only thing thats connecting them is the fact they're scientists (actually Robert J Lull was a doctor.)
Also why would the NWO or what ever kill these scientists?

There's as much a conspiracy to kill archeologists as there is scientists.

scientist die all the time its true but if you ask me theres something going on with these people what it is I dont know but something is a miss. Alot of them are involved in some capacity researching infectious disease be it human or animal did each of them find something they shouldnt have that if all put together would paint some overall bigger picture?

You asked me why the NWO or somebody would kill all these scientists? I can give you a possible explanation but I havent finished researching it properly its deep and I will not be able to break it down or prove it in anyway at least not yet and thats if its true you can never know. Ever hear the claims about target sepcific biological weapons in particualr SARS? Bio weapons targeted at a certain race of people? its alleged they, they meaning the ususal suspects US, Israel, China , Russia etc can make target specific bio weapons specific to a certain race of people. Indonesia blamed the US for the bird flu outbrek saying it was made in their lab. Indonesia is the hardest hit country in the world ( reported 109 deaths) apparently the lab is located here...
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http://www.nmrc.navy.mil/namru_2.htm

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/indonesian-fears-over-us-navy-laboratory/2008/04/25/1208743252040.html

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/browse_thread/thread/f7bb22fda21a1add

what if these scientist had stumbled upon some sort of link like these new type of viruses that keep appearing are only infecting a certain type of people or the keep originating in Gwendong province , southern China (SARS,HN51,1957 asian flu, 1968 hong kong flu all originated from Gwendong ...I really dont know mob and thats the truth but I think something is going on what it is I dont know...

bonkey

What has not been reported in the media properly, if at all, is that between 1996 & 2008 over 80 of the worlds leading scientists in the fields of biological weapons, virology, biotechnology and microbiology among others have all been murdered, met untimely deaths or disappeared.

The wording of this suggests that the media should be reporting more on this point.

I don't mean to imply that there is nothing to report on, but rather question of whether or not there are grounds to believe they should.

For example...what is the expected number of "untimely" deaths? How do we determine that? Without such a figure, can we really say whether 80 over 12 years (or just over 6.5 a year) is remarkable at all?

What is the field-size we're talking about? Can we clearly define which scientific areas are allowed to contribute? Would the untimely death of any "ledaing scientist" warrant inclusion, in effect suggesting the field-size of all "leading scientists" (however we define that)?

I don't believe these questions have been answered, which is why I'd be wary of any suggestion that there is reason to pay attention to these figures, or that there is something remiss in the fact that they haven't been paid sufficient attention by the likes of the media.

WakeUp

WakeUp wrote: »

scientist die all the time its true but if you ask me theres something going on with these people what it is I dont know but something is a miss. Alot of them are involved in some capacity researching infectious disease be it human or animal

From your list Robert J Lull was a doctor of nuclear medicine and Geetha Angara worked in water treatment. So that's not true. And again if you look hard enough you can get a similar list for any specialisation. There might be a conspiracy to kill people involved in earthworm research.

WakeUp wrote: »

did each of them find something they shouldnt have that if all put together would paint some overall bigger picture?

Maybe they're all part of the Justice League and were assisinated by the legion of doom.

WakeUp wrote: »

You asked me why the NWO or somebody would kill all these scientists? I can give you a possible explanation but I havent finished researching it properly its deep and I will not be able to break it down or prove it in anyway at least not yet and thats if its true you can never know.

So in fact it's just baseless speculation? And my Justice league theory is just as valid?

WakeUp wrote: »

Ever hear the claims about target sepcific biological weapons in particualr SARS? Bio weapons targeted at a certain race of people? its alleged they, they meaning the ususal suspects US, Israel, China , Russia etc can make target specific bio weapons specific to a certain race of people. Indonesia blamed the US for the bird flu outbrek saying it was made in their lab. Indonesia is the hardest hit country in the world ( reported 109 deaths) apparently the lab is located here...

And which scientists where working on any of that?

WakeUp wrote: »

what if these scientist had stumbled upon some sort of link like these new type of viruses that keep appearing are only infecting a certain type of people or the keep originating in Gwendong province , southern China (SARS,HN51,1957 asian flu, 1968 hong kong flu all originated from Gwendong

And what if they crossed the legion of doom for the last time?
Didn't see any Chinese scientists on that list.
In fact the only link anyone there had to any of those diseases was those two students who were in 2nd year in one of the universities studying bird flu.
Not exactly compelling evidence.

WakeUp wrote: »

...I really dont know mob and thats the truth but I think something is going on what it is I dont know...

So there is no evidence of a conspiracy. Nothing connecting the supposed victims.
No evidence of a motive.
No actual suspect or suspect organisations.
No apparent difference in the rate of murders or suspicious deaths than any other group of people.

Why do you think something is going on exactly?
Just because you read it on the internet?
Psychic?
In on it?

WakeUp

bonkey wrote: »

The wording of this suggests that the media should be reporting more on this point.

I don't mean to imply that there is nothing to report on, but rather question of whether or not there are grounds to believe they should.

For example...what is the expected number of "untimely" deaths? How do we determine that? Without such a figure, can we really say whether 80 over 12 years (or just over 6.5 a year) is remarkable at all?

What is the field-size we're talking about? Can we clearly define which scientific areas are allowed to contribute? Would the untimely death of any "ledaing scientist" warrant inclusion, in effect suggesting the field-size of all "leading scientists" (however we define that)?

I don't believe these questions have been answered, which is why I'd be wary of any suggestion that there is reason to pay attention to these figures, or that there is something remiss in the fact that they haven't been paid sufficient attention by the likes of the media.

there all fair comments, it is a good idea to break the scientists down more into exactly what they were involved in, the numerical possibilites and how it might be related i have something about that somewhere Im gona dig it out, for your average person like myself who woundlt be up to speed on biology, molecular biology and virolgy understanding the scientific language involved in their exact research isnt very easy and even harder to explain, each of them needs to be looked into further on an individual basis which Im doing at the moment I agree this needs to be done.

Mahatma coat

how are we going on this?

I might me meeting a mate of mine from the Courier Mail tonight so I'll ask him what he knows about that plane crash in FNQ tats mentioned there, I remember there was a bit of controersy about it at the time.

I'll se if they've heard anything else about the rest of thestories too.

Aye Matey!

Keep us posted MC.

themetallifan

WakeUp wrote: »

vague reports unless you have a degree in microbiology its hard understand

That's me!!:) Well....nearly. Should make for an interesting career from the sounds of it I guess!

Aye Matey!

themetallifan wrote: »

That's me!!:) Well....nearly. Should make for an interesting career from the sounds of it I guess!

Are you refering to your own ambigiuty with microbiology or that you're about to embark upon / conclude a career with the said field of science?

If its the latter can you tell me what the shelf-life of unfrozen but refrigerated poultry is? The benzene ring is also of interest to me. Combined both inquiries raise the question of which come first: the chicken or the e?

Perhaps thats an insider joke lest your microbiological vocation has not intersected with the mind-altering grand vocation of biochemistry. Either way can you shine any light on the OP?