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    #62
    King Mob
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    hmmm, environment can shape behaviour. Say you have an extremely violent society based on warfare and ritualistic brutality. Take that person out of the society and they would qualify as suffering from some form of mental illness.
    Yea maybe if you took him from the small percentage of soldiers who actually saw combat or slaves who might have been subject to abuse. Maybe post traumatic stress disorder or similar.
    But not all ancient societies were "extremely violent based on warfare and ritualistic brutality" and of the small few who were it wasn't all of the population. Your analogy's a bit of a generalisation. (Beginning to see a pattern.)You do have to remember differences in morals are not normally indicative of mental illness.
    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Collective mental illness should be up for study.
    How do you mean?
    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    There is a difference between a condition and disability.
    Not really. A disability is a condition. If you have an impairment, say lack of social interaction, in some way caused by a disease, say autism, it's a disability.
    You're simply arguing semantics.
    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Maybe it does exist, but no one has bothered to diagnose it because we are conditioned to think that being sociable is de facto a good thing, when in certain cases it isn't. If you have extreme unsociability in the form of autism its reasonable to suppose its opposite could exist.
    Not really there is no reason to believe such a condition exists. Given that there is noone observed to have the symptoms you claim (socalising to the detriment of other parts of their life or capabilities.) You contain claim it's undiagnosed because everyone things it's a good thing. You clearly don't think so. So how come not a single researcher has had the same idea? Wouldn't they be able to identify a mental illness over normal socialising?

    You have also yet to define extreme socialising. Is it the desire to go out every night? Is it a compulsion to constantly meet new people and never form actual relationships? Maybe extreme socialising is already covered by some actual conditions like hypersexuality, sex addiction or alcholism.


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    #63
    nyarlothothep
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Yea maybe if you took him from the small percentage of soldiers who actually saw combat or slaves who might have been subject to abuse. Maybe post traumatic stress disorder or similar.
    But not all ancient societies were "extremely violent based on warfare and ritualistic brutality" and of the small few who were it wasn't all of the population. Your analogy's a bit of a generalisation. (Beginning to see a pattern.)You do have to remember differences in morals are not normally indicative of mental illness.

    How do you mean?

    Not really. A disability is a condition. If you have an impairment, say lack of social interaction, in some way caused by a disease, say autism, it's a disability.
    You're simply arguing semantics.


    Not really there is no reason to believe such a condition exists. Given that there is noone observed to have the symptoms you claim (socalising to the detriment of other parts of their life or capabilities.) You contain claim it's undiagnosed because everyone things it's a good thing. You clearly don't think so. So how come not a single researcher has had the same idea? Wouldn't they be able to identify a mental illness over normal socialising?

    You have also yet to define extreme socialising. Is it the desire to go out every night? Is it a compulsion to constantly meet new people and never form actual relationships? Maybe extreme socialising is already covered by some actual conditions like hypersexuality, sex addiction or alcholism.

    It was a hypothetical example. Environment does affect mental health and behaviour.

    Nationalism, racism, religion, the state sanctioning of genocide etc

    No a condition is something which does not radically impair your quality of life.

    Not those diseases, I would consider them to be forms of drug addiction. Those may be some aspects to it. The reason it doesn't impair someones life so as to be regarded as an illness is that its beneficial, given the way humans behave, we have evolved to become social animals. But if its not considered a disease then why should its opposite be considered likewise if it impacts on someones life as a condition?


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    #64
    King Mob
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    It was a hypothetical example. Environment does affect mental health and behaviour.
    Where did I say it didn't? What about the average farmer in the past? He certainly didn't have the quality of life we have now but he certainly wouldn't be a raving blood thirsty monster because the rest of the British where busy fighting the crusades. Thats to not to say there wasn't mental illness in that day either and it's possible that some leader were mental ill. (Think Charles I had syphilis.)

    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Nationalism, racism, religion, the state sanctioning of genocide etc
    Not one of those thing have anything to do with the mental illness of a civilization.

    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    No a condition is something which does not radically impair your quality of life.
    Autism is a disability. Even if it a mild form you still express some of the symptoms.

    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Not those diseases, I would consider them to be forms of drug addiction. Those may be some aspects to it. The reason it doesn't impair someones life so as to be regarded as an illness is that its beneficial, given the way humans behave, we have evolved to become social animals. But if its not considered a disease then why should its opposite be considered likewise if it impacts on someones life as a condition?
    And how would it impact on someones life exactly? How do you mean socialise exactly? Going out with your friends, drinking, flirting?
    It's looking like it's not a disease because it doesn't have any defined symptoms.


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    #65
    parsi
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    I was reading an extensive article in Wired magazine approx 5 years ago and it documented that there was a significant cluster of autism in the general Silicon Valley region . It was posited that this was due to the high levels of tech types marrying each other and thus amplifying any autistic tendencies.


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    #66
    thecommander
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    parsi wrote: »
    I was reading an extensive article in Wired magazine approx 5 years ago and it documented that there was a significant cluster of autism in the general Silicon Valley region . It was posited that this was due to the high levels of tech types marrying each other and thus amplifying any autistic tendencies.

    Wired-Autism


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    #67
    Mahatma coat
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    The Article above, for those too lazy or obstinate to click on external links
    The Geek Syndrome

    Autism - and its milder cousin Asperger's syndrome - is surging among the children of Silicon Valley. Are math-and-tech genes to blame?

    By Steve Silberman


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    #68
    thecommander
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    The Article above, for those too lazy or obstinate to click on external links

    Thought as a mod you'd know the charter.

    Please do not post links to illegal software, and do not copy and paste copywrited material into the forum, link to the copywrited text instead.


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    #69
    Mahatma coat
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    thecommander wrote: »
    Thought as a mod you'd know the charter.

    Please do not post links to illegal software, and do not copy and paste copywrited material into the forum, link to the copywrited text instead.

    Good point
    Copyright © 1993-2004 The Condé Nast Publications Inc. All rights reserved.

    Copyright © 1994-2003 Wired Digital, Inc. All rights reserved.
    missed that bit, post edited


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    #70
    WhaLofShi
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    thecommander wrote: »
    Thought as a mod you'd know the charter.

    Please do not post links to illegal software, and do not copy and paste copywrited material into the forum, link to the copywrited text instead.

    WOW! And they said back seat modding was being frowned upon around here. :rolleyes:



    I particularly like this piece. It just jumped out at me.

    Through the '90s, cases tripled in California. "Anyone who says this is due to better diagnostics has his head in the sand."

    edit: ooops!
    Copyright © 1993-2004 The Condé Nast Publications Inc. All rights reserved.
    Copyright © 1994-2003 Wired Digital, Inc. All rights reserved.


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    #71
    Aye Matey!
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    WhaLofShi wrote: »

    edit: ooops!
    Copyright © 1993-2004 The Condé Nast Publications Inc. All rights reserved.
    Copyright © 1994-2003 Wired Digital, Inc. All rights reserved.

    :D


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