Free Palestine demo at the Central Bank 3/1/08

AnimalRights

Met ShayHT and hopefully he will add his pictures here too, very big crowd today, most impressed.







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Glued to the speaker...





Just like home.....trapped in a prison camp.

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AnCatDubh

nice reportage set. something great about #4.

af_thefragile

Oh man, i should have been there.

Those are some amazing pictures AnimalRights!!
They are very...dramatic! for the lack of a better word!

bogman

Good pics, good cause

shepthedog

Nice shots.. One thing would be that there is a lot of dead space in the shots, in particular 2 3, and last one.. If you had framed the kids peering through the fence it would work better... Try get in tighter and it will give the shots more drama.

Borderfox

Did you use any flash? looks like some fill in the first few. Nice shots and I would agree with AnCatDubh about number 4.

Just checked you Pix.ie properties Janer and yes a bit of fill to brighten it up

dlofnep

Nice shots. Anyone have pictures of the Cork protest?

Dodgykeeper

Was there myself, didnt see you AR!

Was surprised at the crowd myself!









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Borderfox

3rd and 4th are great Fergus

shepthedog

As said on flickr, fourth is a cracker Fergie well done... Its a very strong set, all nicely framed. You are getting this shot selection lark! :P

sasar

#4 is deadly

Ricky91t

AR:No.1 really lets the set down the huge flag which is waht my attention is drawn too is totally OOF and overexposed..
The rest are good though

shepthedog

According to the Irish Times site, a man set himself on fire at this protest.. Anyone see it?

Dodgykeeper

I have sent the money shot to every media agency in Europe (I Wish)

jackdaw

Some great shots AR ....

although i dont agree with the protests ... but that's another debate...

AnimalRights

Ricky91t wrote: »

AR:No.1 really lets the set down the huge flag which is waht my attention is drawn too is totally OOF and overexposed..
The rest are good though

That shot is meant to be like that, the flag was silk and I wanted the shimmering effect as it blew in the wind.

And Shep as anyone here knows I'm not a fan of tight cropping, 2 and 3 I am happy with, the last one I admit I was tempted to crop tight to give the prison effect, I'll be honest I had a fair few drinks on me after the march so....

Heading back out now to do a gig, god help me!

Ricky91t

AnimalRights wrote: »

That shot is meant to be like that, the flag was silk and I wanted the shimmering effect as it blew in the wind.

Eh,i don't understand..You like the flag but focused on the building behind it..because you wanted to show the silkiness of the flag

Would you not of focused on _the_ flag???

AnimalRights

Jesus no!
Flag is part of the scene not the scene!
Flag shimmering away in the corner of the pic is part of the story.

AnCatDubh

Ricky91t wrote: »

Eh,i don't understand..You like the flag but focused on the building behind it..because you wanted to show the silkiness of the flag

Would you not of focused on _the_ flag???

Ricky - I think your point is well made but to be fair to AnimalRights he has indicated that's the way he wanted it. The thread isn't posted as a C&C thread so please observe this in any posts. Thanks.

Ricky91t

AnCatDubh wrote: »

Ricky - I think your point is well made but to be fair to AnimalRights he has indicated that's the way he wanted it. The thread isn't posted as a C&C thread so please observe this in any posts. Thanks.

Well i feel if photos are posted and another forum user feels they can be improved they should be entitled to let the user know what they feel could be changed...

Also this is a photography forum and therefore photography should be discussed in it,if the user doesn't want that they should be posted in the correct forum where the posters there will appreciate the content for what they are of,and not the ability of the photographer or the technical aspects of the images..

Thats just my opinion and i know on these forums everyone isn't entitled to one..But im sure AR doesn't mind..And if he does i'll be happy to stop giving any C & C on his threads in the future

AnCatDubh

Ricky91t wrote: »

Well i feel if photos are posted and another forum user feels they can be improved they should be entitled to let the user know what they feel could be changed...

Yes but you appear to be ignoring the fact that this is the way AnimalRights wanted the image to be captured, and while you have made your point and reiterated it, please respect that this is not a C&C thread. There are specific guides to C&C threads in the stickies which are more appropriate to what you are intending to say.

Ricky91t wrote: »

Also this is a photography forum and therefore photography should be discussed in it,if the user doesn't want that they should be posted in the correct forum where the posters there will appreciate the content for what they are of,and not the ability of the photographer or the technical aspects of the images..

Your initial post is fine. My difficulty to your subsequent posts is simply that you appear to be trying to force an opinion that AnimalRights is incorrect. AnimalRights has already said that this is the way it is intended. Be that right or wrong isn't the issue. Your opinion has been expressed and has been rejected by the OP.

challengemaster

AnCatDubh wrote: »

Yes but you appear to be ignoring the fact that this is the way AnimalRights wanted the image to be captured, and while you have made your point and reiterated it, please respect that this is not a C&C thread. There are specific guides to C&C threads in the stickies which are more appropriate to what you are intending to say.

He appears to be ignoring it because every time he gives critique on an image, AR turns around and says thats the way he wanted the image to be.

- That's slightly overexposed
- Yeah, I was going for that look

- I think you should have used fill flash
- I wanted it to be like that

- It's out of focus
- I purposly focused it like that for that effect

When AR says that he wanted a photo to be that way, I'm as inclined to believe him as much as I believe in a god (I'm athiest btw) I think it's fair enough for Ricky not to believe him either.. considering its every time _HE_ gives c&c..

My difficulty to your subsequent posts is simply that you appear to be trying to force an opinion that AnimalRights is incorrect. AnimalRights has already said that this is the way it is intended. Be that right or wrong isn't the issue. Your opinion has been expressed and has been rejected by the OP.

See above. It's not without reason.

Ricky91t

challengemaster wrote: »

He appears to be ignoring it because every time he gives critique on an image, AR turns around and says thats the way he wanted the image to be.

- That's slightly overexposed
- Yeah, I was going for that look

- I think you should have used fill flash
- I wanted it to be like that

- It's out of focus
- I purposly focused it like that for that effect

When AR says that he wanted a photo to be that way, I'm as inclined to believe him as much as I believe in a god (I'm athiest btw) I think it's fair enough for Ricky not to believe him either.. considering its every time _HE_ gives c&c..



See above. It's not without reason.

Thanks!
Thats my issue really...The fact i see the bad problem in a photo and he says he was aiming for that and its how he wanted it,It has happened before and i'v took no notice,but then he agrees again saying the issue i pointed out with this photo is what he was planning for..Even though to me this is a downside to the photo

That why i appeared "to be trying to force an opinion" cause i was hoping he wasn't agreeing with me and saying that's how he wanted the photo to come out and he just mis-read or mis understood my post

If it's annoying you go ahead and do whatever a mod would do is this situation,but it really annoys me when i point out something wrong and the person attempts to throw it back in your face(?)by saying thats what they wanted to do...

I'm sure if you had an issue like this you'd find it annoying too

AnCatDubh

challengemaster wrote: »

He appears to be ignoring it because every time he gives critique on an image, AR turns around and says thats the way he wanted the image to be.

- That's slightly overexposed
- Yeah, I was going for that look

- I think you should have used fill flash
- I wanted it to be like that

- It's out of focus
- I purposly focused it like that for that effect

When AR says that he wanted a photo to be that way, I'm as inclined to believe him as much as I believe in a god (I'm athiest btw) I think it's fair enough for Ricky not to believe him either.. considering its every time _HE_ gives c&c..



See above. It's not without reason.

Thanks for that clarification ChallengeMaster but please re-read my original reply to Ricky. This thread is not C&C (at present anyway - AnimalRights feel free to update the thread if you do want it to be C&C).

If AnimalRights wants the sky to be pink with green clouds then that is fine. If that makes for a crap photograph then beauty will be in the eye of the beholder.

challengemaster

It's not, but blatently dismissing any criticism of your photography with "Thats what I was trying to do" is never going to get AnimalRights anywhere. He's always on about how C&C helps him and others to learn, yet he dismisses any he gets on his own photography.

If he can't take C&C on his photos, then don't post them up for fear that someone may actually comment on one.

AnCatDubh

Ricky91t wrote: »

Thanks!
Thats my issue really...The fact i see the bad problem in a photo and he says he was aiming for that and its how he wanted it,It has happened before and i'v took no notice,but then he agrees again saying the issue i pointed out with this photo is what he was planning for..Even though to me this is a downside to the photo

That why i appeared "to be trying to force an opinion" cause i was hoping he wasn't agreeing with me and saying that's how he wanted the photo to come out and he just mis-read or mis understood my post

If it's annoying you go ahead and do whatever a mod would do is this situation,but it really annoys me when i point out something wrong and the person attempts to throw it back in your face(?)by saying thats what they wanted to do...

I'm sure if you had an issue like this you'd find it annoying too

Ricky - to be quite honest with you - If he doesn't agree with you then he doesn't agree with you. His style of photography can be wildly different to yours. His perogative tbh as is yours to disagree. If thats an annoyance to you then why would you continue to post on AnimalRights threads????

Ricky91t

AnCatDubh wrote: »

Thanks for that clarification ChallengeMaster but please re-read my original reply to Ricky. This thread is not C&C (at present anyway - AnimalRights feel free to update the thread if you do want it to be C&C).

If AnimalRights wants the sky to be pink with green clouds then that is fine. If that makes for a crap photograph then beauty will be in the eye of the beholder.

You see,this is what i don't understand..You tell me giving C&C in a non C & C thread shouldn't be done..Yet you've done it yourself...
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58398456#post58398456

The above thread is like AR's a dump and run thread and your post gives C&C
Alot of posters have given C&C on non C&C thread and just because i point out something wrong and AR says he planned that and i re-phrase it i get picked out by the mod who has given C&C on non C&C threads..

coylemj

Could I make a technical observation about #3, I'm a dSLR beginner so I'm asking purely for my own education.

The woman on the extreme left who is the closest person to the camera appears to be perfectly in focus, you can see an individual hair sticking out above her nose. However the man in the leather jacket beside her and the guy with the bullhorn are both slightly out of focus, you have to download the original size photo to appreciate this.

The aperture appears to have been set to provided a limited DOF and this appears to have worked well in that all of the people beyond the man with the bullhorn and their banners are out of focus though not so much that you can't make them out individually - is that Joe Higgins on the left directly under the metal globe?

According to the EXIF data the focal length was 28mm, F/4 and 1/200 on ISO-100 so can the OP and/or others discuss the issues that arise here, did the camera focus on a subject that was too close and should it have been focussed instead on a subject within the intended DOF?

AnCatDubh

challengemaster wrote: »

It's not, but blatently dismissing any criticism of your photography with "Thats what I was trying to do" is never going to get AnimalRights anywhere. He's always on about how C&C helps him and others to learn, yet he dismisses any he gets on his own photography.

If he can't take C&C on his photos, then don't post them up for fear that someone may actually comment on one.

ChallengeMaster - I have indicated at this stage on numerous occasions over the preceding posts that the OP hasn't requested C&C. Initial comment was fine. He responded. He didn't agree. Ricky doesn't agree. They actually agree on one thing - to disagree.

So it needs to be left at that because this thread has been dragged so seriously off topic that it is not fair on the OP.

AnCatDubh

Ricky91t wrote: »

Yet you've done it yourself...
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58398456#post58398456

Thanks for pointing that out - PLEASE REREAD my preceding posts. I have no problem with YOUR ORIGINAL POST offering advice. But attempting to force your opinion on thread doesn't help the OP.

I never said you couldn't suggest. In the example you post if Rach didn't agree with me it would have been inappropriate for me to continue to tell her that my suggestions are correct and she was wrong.

Ok. My point is well made at this stage. Please accept it or feel free if you feel that I am treating you harshly to take up any grievance through PM's as the discussion is getting more and more irrelevant to the thread.

Beyond this i'm essentially proposing to do what you suggest in your previous post and moderate the thread and posters.

EDIT: Apologies Smelltheglove and Dave_C - Got ye mixed up in my haste. The thread linked was obviously Dave_C's as pointed out by Ricky in subsequent post.

Ricky91t

AnCatDubh wrote: »

Thanks for pointing that out - PLEASE REREAD my preceding posts. I have no problem with YOUR ORIGINAL POST offering advice. But attempting to force your opinion on thread doesn't help the OP.

I never said you could suggest. In the example you post if Rach didn't agree with me it would have been inappropriate for me to continue to tell her that my suggestions are correct and she was wrong.

Ok. My point is well made at this stage. Please accept it or feel free if you feel that I am treating you harshly to take up any grievance through PM's as the discussion is getting more and more irrelevant to the thread.

Beyond this i'm essentially proposing to do what you suggest in your previous post and moderate the thread and posters.

Why would you give C&C to "Rach" when she was only commenting,Are you talking about Mr Dave C??

Just want to clear that up..Easier than pm'ing you

ThOnda

I love the flag, it is the best picture from all posted here. At least for me.

Disclaimer - it was NOT C&C :pac:

AnimalRights

Jesus ducking Christ.
I am on I-phone in pub but FFS listen to me.
Ancatdubh is correct, I meant every photo like this cept last 1 which I shoulda cropped.
cm for some reason is not a fan of my style and that's ok but as my greatest influence in photography said, Baz, he doesn't follow what's known as the 'the correctway'
People that know me well know that I am so humble that if a photo is **** so I will admit it but then again I go and comfy with what I am aiming for...again I reiterate I don't follow the abc of photography.
Cm while he has muchos talent is too much by the book, if we all were same techinically gifted it's be boring.
I do get embarrased agreeing with a mod but this time he has hit the nail on the head.

AnimalRights

challengemaster wrote: »

He appears to be ignoring it because every time he gives critique on an image, AR turns around and says thats the way he wanted the image to be.

- That's slightly overexposed
- Yeah, I was going for that look

- I think you should have used fill flash
- I wanted it to be like that

- It's out of focus
- I purposly focused it like that for that effect

When AR says that he wanted a photo to be that way, I'm as inclined to believe him as much as I believe in a god (I'm athiest btw) I think it's fair enough for Ricky not to believe him either.. considering its every time _HE_ gives c&c..

Back home after a long day out!
CM You are an ABC photographer, ie if someone was learning from a book you would have wrote the book...
But because you have a rigid 1-2-3 style you are not nearly as flexable as you think you are, in Photography there are many diff styles, as I've said earlier Barry aka Baz is a massive influence on me, when I was new I asked him billions of questions, guy always explained himself to me and while not everyone likes his or my poor mans style of his the thing is I am my own biggest critic, if I hate myself I will say it and have most def said it here publicly on these forums, having said that I am at the stage of my cycle were I am more than confident in what I do and If I am or say I am happy with ABC then I am!

I wouldn't dare dissect your photos CM because as technically photographers go you are right up there but if I wanted something different to we say photograph my wedding I wouldn't pick you, I like the alternative or should I say the unobvious.

Anyway that is it....

In the next few weeks I must put up a public c&C just to keep some people happy, I have the balls, trust me.

Ricky91t

AnimalRights wrote: »

Back home after a long day out!
CM You are an ABC photographer, ie if someone was learning from a book you would have wrote the book...
But because you have a rigid 1-2-3 style you are not nearly as flexable as you think you are, in Photography there are many diff styles, as I've said earlier Barry aka Baz is a massive influence on me, when I was new I asked him billions of questions, guy always explained himself to me and while not everyone likes his or my poor mans style of his the thing is I am my own biggest critic, if I hate myself I will say it and have most def said it here publicly on these forums, having said that I am at the stage of my cycle were I am more than confident in what I do and If I am or say I am happy with ABC then I am!

I wouldn't dare dissect your photos CM because as technically photographers go you are right up there but if I wanted something different to we say photograph my wedding I wouldn't pick you, I like the alternative or should I say the unobvious.

Anyway that is it....

In the next few weeks I must put up a public c&C just to keep some people happy, I have the balls, trust me.

Can you explain your poor mans style?

AnimalRights

challengemaster wrote: »

If he can't take C&C on his photos, then don't post them up for fear that someone may actually comment on one.

This was covering a protest, I never asked for C&C...seriously, you know me I'm not a shy type.
If I wanted C&C I would have added the magical words C&C

Now are we clear?

AnimalRights

Ricky91t wrote: »

Can you explain your poor mans style?

Of course Ricky...
Barry aka Baz is my influence and obviously he is better than me, hence I'm a poor mans Barry, well so I attempt.

Ricky91t

AnimalRights wrote: »

Of course Ricky...
Barry aka Baz is my influence and obviously he is better than me, hence I'm a poor mans Barry, well so I attempt.

Ah i see,you lost me there but now i get ya

AnimalRights

NP Ricky.

Just as well I don't do landscapes, I'd be butchered!

coylemj

AR, any chance you'd take a look at my post on P.2, it got left behind as a result of the 'discussion' that went on this evening, I posted it at 22:31.

EDIT:: Here it is

AnimalRights

Feck you got me curious.
In all honesty I cannot remember what or how I did this pic but as you pointed out if you look at the original (very large size) your womans hair nose is in total focus but rest are not, I put this down to me being a newb.
TBH when I photographed this protest I did so as a normal shoot, I didn't realise it would lead to such close observation!
Any other questions just ask

CabanSail

I think that it must be kept in mind that at a gathering like this generally you don't get a chance to set a shot up. You set the camera set on what you think will cope best & quickly grab shots as you see them then hope for the best. When you sort the images later you then pick the best images that capture the situation. Some (most) will have what can be described as technical faults. Good luck & instinct play a big part. Being able to read people & being aware of how they may behave will allow you to anticipate some shots.

Good set Janer & thanks for posting them.

coylemj

Appreciate that every shot isn't going to be technically perfect so let me ask my question another way: In that situation should you manually focus the camera on the man with the bullhorn or the man in the leather jacket?

Put another way, if you wanted all of the subjects up to and including the man with the bullhorn to be in focus, you obviously set the aperture to limit the DOF but in that specific situation, where did the camera need to be focussed?

AnimalRights

TY..Cabansail
Now just to reiterate the pics I upped here are exactly how I wanted them except the last one.
The accusation from CM that I pretended I wanted them that way to cover any shortcomings of the pics is well out of order.
I am well known for admitting publicly if I am not happy with any of my pictures.
The flag one that Ricky and CM disputed is the most viewed of the set so far.
This technical and the "right way" to take a picture can be taken too far, as you said Cabansail the spur of the moment is the way some of the best pictures can be captured.

AnimalRights

coylemj wrote: »

Appreciate that every shot isn't going to be technically perfect so let me ask my question another way: In that situation should you manually focus the camera on the man with the bullhorn or the man in the leather jacket?

Put another way, if you wanted all of the subjects up to and including the man with the bullhorn to be in focus, you obviously set the aperture to limit the DOF but in that specific situation, where did the camera need to be focussed?

Well looking at that pic now I see what you mean, I would have used pattern if I was doing it now, I am not sure wether I used spot metering or pattern though.
and I would have used a mid f number, although from my exif I used f4.
If I have got a weakness is I love DOF and always tend to shoot open.
It's a bad habit I need to get out off.

DaireQuinlan

AnimalRights wrote: »

If I have got a weakness is I love DOF and always tend to shoot open.
It's a bad habit I need to get out off.

Nowt bad about it, i'd shoot at f/1.4 in bright sunlight if I could get away with it. I've cursed sometimes that my shutter speeds "only" go up to 1/4000 :-)

It all depends though, in a situation like this, if i was taking editorial type stuff I'd very probably try and stop down a bit more, at least enough to get the principal bit of the parade in focus. All down to personal preference though, AR took the shots, its his call.

xshayx

Finally got my internet working! Great turnout yesterday, both supporters and photogs

shepthedog

Lovely set of shots xshayx. Particular 3,4 5 and 6.. All very strong in their own right... Top stuff

Tactical

Definately #4 for me (of the op shots), no question about that. It just "fits" and feels "right".

The subject looks the part and the over all mood seems right.

Be interested in a slightly grainy B&W conversion to see if it had any potential. Be like the old B&W reportage shots using a fast B&W film. May or may not work for that particular shot.

Not meant to be C&C, just my thoughts on the shot.

CabanSail

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

Nowt bad about it, i'd shoot at f/1.4 in bright sunlight if I could get away with it. I've cursed sometimes that my shutter speeds "only" go up to 1/4000 :-)
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If you put on a ND Filter & drop back 3 or 4 stops, you should be OK