Pittbull Type Dogs

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cotton wrote: »

There is a site somewhere (I'm sure someone can find it) where you guess which dog is a pitbull. Not many get it right.
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http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
heres the link!think it works sorry if it dosent!op have a go?i got it roght first time btw :cool:

shivkk06

while this was a terrible thing and sometimes owners are to blame. all pets can be dangerous and kill other animals or people. Its just in their nature.

but owners can not always be blamed for the actions of their pets. im not saying they are not at fault but i got my staffx from a friend who resuced it from travellers using it to fight, and she was the quietest dog i ve ever had, she never tried to attack another animal or human, which would be most unusual if owners were to blame as her previous owners had mistreated her so bad and she was 18 months old when i got her.

there is such a hype about these dogs usually from people who have no dealings with them or hear about them unless its the 1 that attacks some, the stats i can not say but compared to the amount of varoius breeds of these animals in Ireland and the amount of cases we hear about as been savage.its not a daily event.

cowzerp

shivkk06 wrote: »

but owners can not always be blamed for the actions of their pets. im not saying they are not at fault but i got my staffx from a friend who resuced it from travellers using it to fight, and she was the quietest dog i ve ever had, she never tried to attack another animal or human, which would be most unusual if owners were to blame as her previous owners had mistreated her so bad and she was 18 months old when i got her..

The travellers where to blame for the dog fighting, dog on the loose is the owners fault, dog been aggressive means the owner has not socialised the dog, there is 1 thing in common here, the owners.

shivkk06

so in that way all parents are to blame if their pride and joy goes mad for no reason and attacks another person, seriously injuring or killing them

cowzerp

I just want to add for the op, the worst dog fight i ever witnessed was a collie and a mongrel of about the same size, the collie was a bit of a soft dog with strong type dogs but seen a weakness in the mongrel and fought it and was intent on destroying the mongrel untill i got in and broke it up,

also collies are 1 of the worst ofenders for biting people and when i fostered a collie and brought it to see my vet she muzzled him as they bite more often in the vets opinion, i have a big rottie and she did not muzzle him, even before she knew him, and thats someone who deals with these dogs on a regular basis..

ISDW

cotton wrote: »

ISDW, you can't use a breed & type to excuse what your dog did. Did that cat feel any less pain than if it was one of your own or one that you sometimes feed? If that was a pitbull with the same prey drive, would it be less/more acceptable?

I've 2 doberman X's here, notorious breed for not getting along with cats. One sleeps with them, had a high prey drive but learnt that the cats know better. The other just couldn't be arsed sleeping with them when there is a big cat free couch downstairs. They didn't start that way, we didn't teach them, they worked it out on their own.

Have none of your cats ever killed a mouse or bird? Is that not nature? When did I ever say that the cat didn't feel pain? I was devasted by it. It happened in the middle of the night, we have a dog flap for the dogs to go in and out when they need to and I was woken up by it happening just outside my window. When I called the dog off the cat, he left it, but unfortunately it was too late. My dogs often sleep on the settee with the cats, which is very unusual for huskies. I'm sorry, but huskies are well known for having a high prey drive and unfortunately for not being good with cats.

bigpinkelephant

Mairt wrote: »

For the actions, or lack of, by the owner you were prepared to shoot a dog?.

Bravo :rolleyes:

Yes.
If a dog got into a field and chased the sheep, the farmer would shoot it.
This dog had already killed one of my cats, and the owner knew, but still kept letting the dog roam around, so if it came into my garden again, yes I would shoot it.
Sorry if that doesn't suit you, maybe I should just let the dog come in and go on a killing spree :rolleyes:

cotton

ISDW wrote: »

Have none of your cats ever killed a mouse or bird? Is that not nature? When did I ever say that the cat didn't feel pain? I was devasted by it. It happened in the middle of the night, we have a dog flap for the dogs to go in and out when they need to and I was woken up by it happening just outside my window. When I called the dog off the cat, he left it, but unfortunately it was too late. My dogs often sleep on the settee with the cats, which is very unusual for huskies. I'm sorry, but huskies are well known for having a high prey drive and unfortunately for not being good with cats.

They've killed mice that have gotten in but never a bird as they are indoor only.
I'm just saying that deed not breed can apply in more places than one & excusing killing a cat on the breed is not on imo. What if it's a small dog the next time? Would that be ok too as your dog is excused because of it's high prey drive?
If we used the same argument with our dogs killing other pets as they are restricted breeds, we'd be lambasted.

ISDW

cotton wrote: »

They've killed mice that have gotten in but never a bird as they are indoor only.
I'm just saying that deed not breed can apply in more places than one & excusing killing a cat on the breed is not on imo. What if it's a small dog the next time? Would that be ok too as your dog is excused because of it's high prey drive?
If we used the same argument with our dogs killing other pets as they are restricted breeds, we'd be lambasted.

So what would you suggest that I do to the dog? I'm still not sure of the point that you're trying to make, a strange cat came onto his territory in the middle of the night and he attacked and killed it. No, I wasn't happy about it, but I'm not going to have him pts because of it. He lives with cats that he has grown up with, and indeed we now have two kittens that we have managed to introduce to the house quite successfully. There are still two of our huskies that won't accept them. I NEVER go out and leave the cats and dogs together, there is always at least one locked door between them. When I am there, the dogs know that they leave the cats alone, but when I'm not, I don't know what they would do and I don't want to take any chances. When he killed the cat he wasn't outside of my garden, out of control, he was on his territory, which is completely surrounded with very high fencing. To be honest, I don't know what would happen if a small dog got in to the back yard. He lives with 10 other dogs, most of them smaller than him, and is fine with them. He has met many other dogs, some of them he doesn't get on with, some he does. If he had killed a squirrel in my yard would you have the same problem with it? We have a lot of mice out in the old cow sheds, the huskies kill them, again, I don't like them doing it, but it is natural.

I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood, I thought that you had feral cats there, so surely they are outdoor?

mountainyman

cowzerp wrote: »

Pitbulls! the name means little as it could of been any breed!

are known to be human friendly so it would be highly unlikely to atack a child, less likely than most commom type dog pets in fact.

What you witnessed is awful but this could have happened with any breed of dog, the laws on these type dogs are that they should be muzzled and on a lead when in public places, this was obviously against these rules,

these dogs are the most abused breed on the planet and the last thing they need is someone who buys into the media hype and makes matters worse over a once off incident.

That isn't true. It couldn't be any breed. Pitbulls more than any other bulldog are bred to be highly dog agressive and the scumbags who own 99% of them don't help matters.

People are critical of the breed because they are dog aggressive and owned by scumbags who make them worse.
MM

mountainyman

Saruman wrote: »

Maybe we should outlaw big giant hairy men as they could probably take a few blows of an iron bar if savaging a young pup.

sorry, im sure it was upsetting but dogs are wild animals and sometimes do what wild animals do. The only difference is they are strong, tough and capable of killing another dog. In fact though, large dogs like these are more content around humans than small dogs. T

You can not condone Mass Genocide of a breed of dog. Hitler tried that once with people, im sure he had his reasons. Maybe he was savaged by some Jews growing up in Austria... who knows.

Pitbulls are not large dogs. Have you heard of Godwin's law.

shivkk06

American pit bulls are one of - if not the most - friendliest and most loving breeds. Their pain tolerance makes them tolerant of children's rough play, and their confidence gives them a temperament owner's don't need to make excuses for. They are not a barky breed - many are not even good watch dogs - because they like people.

Those who know pit bulls know that they greet friend and stranger alike with the usual "bully grin" and wiggling butt. A pit bull which snaps or snarls at people is NOT representative of the breed and behavior like that is indicative of poor genetics. Serious breeders cull (euthanized) animals which display poor temperament in order to help maintain the high standard that historical breeders have handed us.

The name bulldog or pit bull is taken from years ago where american pit bulls which are supposed to be the oldest and truest breed of pit bull were used as working dogs by farmers working with bulls, the dogs were taken out in the fields with farmer incase of a bull attacking as the dog was capable of attacking and stopping the the bull, preventing the farmer from death or injury


all the people talking about pitbulls what a terrible breed they are how many of ye have ever owned a breed of this dog?

mountainyman

Noopti wrote: »

Lets ban a dog breed because it is strong, and thus, in the wrong peoples hands can cause injury/death.

I agree no one needs a dangerous dog agressive animal.

mountainyman

shivkk06 wrote: »

The name bulldog or pit bull is taken from years ago where american pit bulls which are supposed to be the oldest and truest breed of pit bull were used as working dogs by farmers working with bulls, the dogs were taken out in the fields with farmer incase of a bull attacking as the dog was capable of attacking and stopping the the bull, preventing the farmer from death or injury

Incorrect. The name bulldog comes from the English sport of Bullbaiting where A number of bulldogs would be released to bite a bull and hang on spectators would bet on whether the dogs would be killed and how long the bulldog could hang on.

the Pit in the name is the dig fighting pit.

jimboddb

Above please define a 'a dangerous dog'. Seems to me that alot of people on here dont have a clue about dogs, please do some research before you post.

shivkk06

mountainyman wrote: »

Incorrect. The name bulldog comes from the English sport of Bullbaiting where A number of bulldogs would be released to bite a bull and hang on spectators would bet on whether the dogs would be killed and how long the bulldog could hang on.

the Pit in the name is the dig fighting pit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

yes my apologies mountainyman i stand corrected i was referring to american pit bull and got mixed up

kazza23

It's true, not all pitbulls are large dogs. My pitbull girl is tiny, more staffy size. There are many different lines of pitbulls and each have their own characteristics. Millie is from the Old Family Red Nose blood line and so is quite short.



Temperament wise she is great with other dogs, kids, adults, doesn't like cats. Last night she had a grumpy CKC starting on her and she just turned her back on her and wandered over to me as if to ask "what the hell is wrong with her lol".

Tarring all breeds with the same brush is stereotyping. It's not considered acceptable to stereotype a race of people, and so it shouldn't be acceptable to stereotype a breed of dog. Stereotyping is wrong, full stop.

MizzLolly

Poor lil pup, that's dreadful


The only thing I'll say on it is, blame the owners, not the dog.

If they're trained correctly from the very beginning and supervised when around other dogs, these kind of attacks would not happen.

Restricting breeds is ridiculous. Restrict bad owners instead

EGAR

mountainyman wrote: »

That isn't true. It couldn't be any breed. Pitbulls more than any other bulldog are bred to be highly dog agressive and the scumbags who own 99% of them don't help matters.

People are critical of the breed because they are dog aggressive and owned by scumbags who make them worse.
MM

Now, Mountainy Man, your post above has several serious flaws. APBT are not Bulldogs, they are Bull Terriers. The old name of the APBT was *Bull and Terrier* which is exactly what they are: Bull + Terrier.

They are not an American breed either, they were brought to the States by Irish and English Immigrant, prominent amongst them the Boston Irish. These dogs have been the most versatile breed ever and work as PAT dogs, S and R dogs, POLICE dogs, the highest decorated obedience dog in the WORLD is an Pit, they are also used as hunting dog and for herding stock. Hardly the image of the *most dog aggressive breed ever* . None of mine are dog aggressive and the ones I have taken in and rehomed (a few hundred in the past 11 years of my doing APBT rescue here in Ireland) are perfectly fine with other dogs although some of them were owned by scumbags prior to me taking them in. It might take some re-socialising for some dogs but only one has proven to be resistant to re-socialisation and he was an older chap when he came here. So he stayed here. It is alway easier to repeat platitudes one reads in the rainbow press than to do a bit of proper research or talk to people who actually KNOW the breed.

One of mine (Bogey - Old Family Rednose) sharing with some of my other dogs.