Berties S-class?

greatdeeds

Could anyone confirm whether Bertie Ahern (Former CEO Ireland Inc) is still being chauffeured around in a vehicle that at the time of purchase (sometime 2007) would have retailed in excess of €100,000?

To that end, is it only plebs and peasants who shop for lower order Mercs while Bert and his personal shopper bag a flagship model at our expense?

Also i doubt its the case, but does anyone know whether its common practice amongst our former, more distinguished Taoisigh, including John Bruton, Albert Reynolds, Garret FitzGerald and Liam Cosgrave to be ferried around in vehicles offering similarly ostentatious displays of wealth?

I think its wrong.

Our man in Havana

Former Taoisigh retain a state car and a garda driver until they die.

bmcgrath

Bond-007 wrote: »

Former Taoisigh retain a state car and a garda driver until they die.

Sounds right. And it's a good idea.

Rowley Birkin QC

I pass St. Lukes everyday and haven't seen it there in a while.

Did Biffo inherit it?

Lovely car though. Was funny enough seeing it and the unmarked 5-Series constantly parked on the footpath outside with 3 cops reading the Irish Times.

Now that I think of it wasn't Haughey driven to his tribunal appearances in his old Merc. I remember seeing it years ago in Mitchelstown when I was younger, back in the days when the only Mercedes on the roads were State cars.

greatdeeds

bmcgrath wrote: »

Sounds right. And it's a good idea.

No problem with that. Just a major issue with the size of the cheque written to get said car.

Shameful

robbie99

Bertie's unlikely to get anywhere near €100k if he trades in the merc so better that he hangs on to it.

greatdeeds

robbie99 wrote: »

Bertie's unlikely to get anywhere near €100k if he trades in the merc so better that he hangs on to it.

Were left picking up the massive tab for that too.

Probably better hed didnt get it in the first place.

Dont hear many people compaling bout the Eclass (elec gremlins aside!)

robbie99

greatdeeds wrote: »

Were left picking up the massive tab for that too.

Probably better hed didnt get it in the first place.

Dont hear many people compaling bout the Eclass (elec gremlins aside!)

I thought this was the motors forum. Maybe you're better off taking your bitterness to a politics one.

greatdeeds

robbie99 wrote: »

I thought this was the motors forum. Maybe you're better off taking your bitterness to a politics one.[/quote

Its a car Robbie.

But maybe your right.

bmcgrath

If you think a Merc S class is sinful, have you seen George Bushes car fort he past 8 years?
It costs a lot more I'd say but doesn't look the part...

Rowley Birkin QC

greatdeeds wrote: »

Were left picking up the massive tab for that too.

Probably better hed didnt get it in the first place.

Dont hear many people compaling bout the Eclass (elec gremlins aside!)

FFS the man was Taoiseach of the country. It was a drop in the ocean at the time and the leader of the country should have an car to reflect his position.

You can argue all you want about how many light-bulbs it would have bought for disadvantaged squirrels or whatever but the Taoiseach should have a big f-off car and to be honest €100k isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.

eringobragh

robbie99 wrote: »

I thought this was the motors forum.

Seems more like a ROTR forum these days.

DirkVoodoo

It's an S350, not really top of the range.

Seeing as he is an elected official spending other people's money, he probably should stick to the e-classes they used to drive a few years back.

If any of us were in the same position would we turn one down?

robbie99

As a motor enthuasist I'd be embarassed to see our country's leaders regardless of party driven around in a clapped out Toyota Corolla or similar. The Merc S Class is the right car for top level executives and the like. It's not a pretentious Rolls Royce. Heck, even taxi drivers can afford the S Class.

NewApproach

This makes me laugh, people complain about our elected leaders getting courtesy driven cars, yet they dont tend to pay nearly as much attention to the vastly greater sums wasted in the public services such as health and education. Talk about wastage.

Anyway, as robbie said, this is a motors forum...

unkel

Bond-007 wrote: »

Former Taoisigh retain a state car and a garda driver until they die.

And that costs nothing compared to the 24/7 Garda protection they *enjoy* too. One round-a-clock person is actually 5 full time staff so we're talking about €400,000 every year for the sole Garda in-the-box protecting* the likes of Bertie or any other ex-president or ex-prime minister still alive

*70% sleeping, 20% dozing, 9% watching TV/DVD, 1% eating, drinking, fornicating, toilet breaks, etc.

Cpaw

Can't understand why Brian gets the 07 E 220 and Bertie keeps his s350, why not swap surely?? That owl Mary Harney has a brand new updated version of the Audi A6, the latest one, its 08 D 66666 I think?

Skyuser

I was overtaken (over speed limit) by the President in her Merc one day with another Merc behind her and a squad car all with flashing blue lights. I didn't know it was an emergency to drive around the country opening school extensions.

Think of all the money thats spent on the President. Wages, Cars, Security, Cooks, Cleaners, Gardeners etc. and she does NOTHING.
I think Bertie is entitled to have some perks from the job he had.

Cpaw

I know and to think now we need to save all we can!

Skyuser

I believe I've been misquoted.

ednwireland

mary coughlan turned up in an audi at a mtg i was at last week gov saving money surely not ( couldnt see what spec or model for that matter)

mickdw

Bertie had the S class until someone tried to set fire to it recently. Maybe its gone for repairs.
S Class for Bertie, E Class for Cowen..... That all wrong. Cowen should get an old C Class.

nialler

You could have this 00D with 100,000 miles on the clock for around €10,000 or probably less (mine by the way).




or you could have this for €8,950 04 Fiesta Steel with 58,000 mls on the clock:



which would you rather have a crash/back end go out, anything really, I know which one I'd choose.

mickdw

nialler wrote: »

You could have this 00D with 100,000 miles on the clock for around €10,000 or probably less (mine by the way).




or you could have this for €8,950 04 Fiesta Steel with 58,000 mls on the clock:



which would you rather have a crash/back end go out, anything really, I know which one I'd choose.

What engine have you got in that?

delly

Skyuser wrote: »

I was overtaken (over speed limit) by the President in her Merc one day with another Merc behind her and a squad car all with flashing blue lights. I didn't know it was an emergency to drive around the country opening school extensions.

Think of all the money thats spent on the President. Wages, Cars, Security, Cooks, Cleaners, Gardeners etc. and she does NOTHING.
I think Bertie is entitled to have some perks from the job he had.

afaik these cars are officially classed the same as Garda cars and are driven by Gardai. The president does her bit so I wouldn't be too harsh on her, it could be worse however, we could have a royal family.

nialler

Tis only the 3.2 petrol but it's good enough for me. Drove a couple of 500 and 600s terrifyingly quick but also very very smooth.

JJJJNR

Bring back the horse and kart FTW. tourists will flock to "The Emerald Isle" to see such things.

Biro

bigkev49 wrote: »

FFS the man was Taoiseach of the country. It was a drop in the ocean at the time and the leader of the country should have an car to reflect his position.

You can argue all you want about how many light-bulbs it would have bought for disadvantaged squirrels or whatever but the Taoiseach should have a big f-off car and to be honest €100k isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.

No problem with that, but he's not Taoiseach any more.

Biro

Skyuser wrote: »

I was overtaken (over speed limit) by the President in her Merc one day with another Merc behind her and a squad car all with flashing blue lights. I didn't know it was an emergency to drive around the country opening school extensions.

Think of all the money thats spent on the President. Wages, Cars, Security, Cooks, Cleaners, Gardeners etc. and she does NOTHING.
I think Bertie is entitled to have some perks from the job he had.

Actually she does a good bit. Bertie sqandered the biggest economic boom the nation has ever and will ever see. Still, State leaders should get good cars, no problem with that. They shouldn't get them when they retire though.

hi5

Garret Fitzgearld always had a Saab 900 if my memory serves me right:)

hi5

Heres a link showing ministerial cars by brand.

http://www.jcfj.ie/pqs/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=0&sobi2Id=1326&Itemid=27


The number of cars currently in the ministerial and State fleet...




The number of cars currently in the ministerial and State fleet; the person to whom each vehicle is assigned; the year and make of each car in the fleet; the number of cars in the fleet of the low emission or hybrid variety

Question Posed By: Deputy Thomas P. Broughan
Subject: Ministerial Transport
Date: 10 July 2008
Question Number: 806

Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Deputy Dermot Ahern): State cars are placed at the disposal of the President, Taoiseach, Government Ministers and others, the details of which as set-out in the following table.

The requirements for the Ministerial fleet are subject to regular review and assessment in order to ensure that the most suitable vehicles are purchased having regard to a range of criteria including overall cost, emissions and fuel efficiency bearing in mind the function of the vehicles and their suitability for the specific transport requirements involved. The current contract in place for the provision of vehicles for the fleet specifies diesel-powered vehicles. In addition, there are a number of hybrid (petrol/electric) cars in the fleet and currently, 17 of the 26 vehicles in the fleet are either hybrid or diesel powered cars. As older models in the fleet are replaced, this number will further increase.

Make and Model Year

President Mercedes S350 2006
Taoiseach Mercedes E320 2007

Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade & Employment Audi A6 2008

Minister for Finance Mercedes E320 2007

Minister for Health and Children Audi A6 2006

Minister for Transport and the Marine Audi A6 2008

Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Audi A6
2008
Minister for Foreign Affairs Volvo S80 2008

Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism Mercedes E240 2004

Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs Audi A6
2008

Minister for Social and Family Affairs Mercedes E240 2005

Minister for Defence Lexus GS450h 2006

Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government Toyota Prius 2007

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Toyota Prius 2007

Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Audi A6
2008

Minister for Education and Science BMW 525 2008

Minister for Children and Youth Affairs Citroen C6 2008

Chief Whip Lexus GS450h 2006

Attorney General Lexus GS450h 2006

Ceann Comhairle Audi A6
2007

Chief Justice
BMW 525d
2008

DPP
Lexus GS300
2006

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Bertie Ahern Mercedes S350 2006

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Albert Reynolds Mercedes E240 2005

Former Taoiseach -Dr. Garret Fitzgerald SAAB 95SE 2004

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Liam Cosgrave Ford Mondeo Ghia 2006

Anan1

Minister for Children and Youth Affairs Citroen C6 2008

greatdeeds

Cheers for the info HI5...makes for interesting reading:mad:


Former Taoiseach -Mr. Albert Reynolds Mercedes E240 2005

Perfectly Acceptable/Appropriate

Former Taoiseach -Dr. Garret Fitzgerald SAAB 95SE 2004

Perfectly Acceptable/Appropriate

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Liam Cosgrave Ford Mondeo Ghia 2006

Perfectly Acceptable/V. Modest i.e. Living in the Real World

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Bertie Ahern Mercedes S350 2006

Pure Greed. Pure Waste.

greatdeeds

greatdeeds wrote: »

Cheers for the info HI5...makes for interesting reading:mad:


Former Taoiseach -Mr. Albert Reynolds Mercedes E240 2005

Perfectly Acceptable/Appropriate

Former Taoiseach -Dr. Garret Fitzgerald SAAB 95SE 2004

Perfectly Acceptable/Appropriate

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Liam Cosgrave Ford Mondeo Ghia 2006

Perfectly Acceptable/V. Modest i.e. Living in the Real World

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Bertie Ahern Mercedes S350 2006

Pure Greed. Pure Waste.

Been looking at this site on/off for the last 12mths, but not posting much so apoligies for the above. Hope my views are made somewhat clearer by the below:

Cheers for the info HI5...makes for interesting reading

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Albert Reynolds Mercedes E240 2005
Perfectly Acceptable/Appropriate

Former Taoiseach -Dr. Garret Fitzgerald SAAB 95SE 2004
Perfectly Acceptable/Appropriate

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Liam Cosgrave Ford Mondeo Ghia 2006
Perfectly Acceptable/V. Modest. Living in the Real World

Former Taoiseach -Mr. Bertie Ahern Mercedes S350 2006
Pure Greed. Pure Waste.

Esel

Folks, please stick to normal colour. Black text is very hard to read for users on Cloud skin (a lot of people use Cloud).

Cpaw

nialler wrote: »

You could have this 00D with 100,000 miles on the clock for around €10,000 or probably less (mine by the way).




or you could have this for €8,950 04 Fiesta Steel with 58,000 mls on the clock:



which would you rather have a crash/back end go out, anything really, I know which one I'd choose.

Reported. You should know by now that you won't get away with stuff like that on here.

niceirishfella

Cpaw wrote: »

Reported. You should know by now that you won't get away with stuff like that on here.

I don't think he's really trying to sell it, rather make a point FFS!

Cpaw

I wonder if they will keep updating the fleet what with the now economic misery. Mary Harney by the way has had her A6 upgraded to the new 2008 Xenon fancy lights one. Like the A4 when the front lights stay on all the time but the back stay off. Seen her up in Sligo in it the other day.

L1011

Cpaw wrote: »

Not your call, you don't mod this forum so butt out.

Why is only new-ish users that have the "you aren't a mod, wah wah" cry when asked, nicely, to stop being a prat? Or in this case, someone else being asked not to be one!

Coloured text is prattish, leaving it as the default lets its be changed as required. Black text is illegible for partially-sighted users using an inverted skin, for instance.

Guy:Incognito

Anan1 wrote: »

Minister for Children and Youth Affairs Citroen C6 2008

Barry Andrews is my new favorite politican.

Cpaw

Stekelly wrote: »

Barry Andrews is my new favorite politican.

Another person to violate the forum charter, Stay on topic, reported also :rolleyes:

The C6 are awful, maybe Bertie will get a new C class for 2009

Guy:Incognito

Cpaw wrote: »

The C6 are awful,

In what way? Or is this just some stupid "everything with a Citroen badge is automatically a pile of crap" rubbish?

Cpaw

Stekelly wrote: »

In what way? Or is this just some stupid "everything with a Citroen badge is automatically a pile of crap" rubbish?

1. Ulgy as sin

2. Unreliable

3. MAJOR
Depreciation [/COLOR]

[4 . Nobody buys them[/FONT][/COLOR]

5.

NewApproach

Cpaw wrote: »

1. Ulgy as sin

2. Unreliable

3. MAJOR
Depreciation [/COLOR]

[4 . Nobody buys them[/FONT][/COLOR]

5.

Is it so hard not just type the thing, instead of messing around with fonts and all the rest?

sdanseo

bigkev49 wrote: »

FFS the man was Taoiseach of the country. It was a drop in the ocean at the time and the leader of the country should have an car to reflect his position.

You can argue all you want about how many light-bulbs it would have bought for disadvantaged squirrels or whatever but the Taoiseach should have a big f-off car and to be honest €100k isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.

Too right.

At least unlike Mr. Bush he doesn't/didn't travel in a 30-vehicle motorcade. You want a joke, that's it, not us.

NewApproach wrote: »

Is it so hard not just type the thing, instead of messing around with fonts and all the rest?

Or he could have just made it bold :P

Guy:Incognito

Cpaw wrote: »

1. Ulgy as sin

2. Unreliable

3. MAJOR
Depreciation [/COLOR]

[4 . Nobody buys them[/FONT][/COLOR]

5.

Links to the supposed unreliability?

Depreciation reflects stupidity of the general public a lot more than how good a car is and for the most part doesnt indicate anythig to do with reliability (see: VW golf)

Looks are subjective.

The reason so few buy them is due to huge amounts of badge snobbery. If it came with Merc badges there'd be hundreds on the roads.

unkel

Cpaw wrote: »

Another person to violate the forum charter, Stay on topic, reported also :rolleyes:

Stop that backseat modding, Cpaw. That's a warning.

Guy:Incognito

NewApproach wrote: »

Is it so hard not just type the thing, instead of messing around with fonts and all the rest?

The least someone can do when messing with fonts is too actually do it properly.

ninty9er

bigkev49 wrote: »

I pass St. Lukes everyday and haven't seen it there in a while.

Did Biffo inherit it?

Nope....couldn't prise it from Bertie

greatdeeds wrote: »

Dont hear many people compaling complaining about the E-class (elec gremlins aside!)

The view was that the President got an S-Class in 00 and on replacement one should be procured for An Taoiseach too as they are the 2 highest status elected citizens of the State.

robbie99 wrote: »

As a motor enthuasist I'd be embarassed to see our country's leaders regardless of party driven around in a clapped out Toyota Corolla or similar. The Merc S Class is the right car for top level executives and the like. It's not a pretentious Rolls Royce. Heck, even taxi drivers can afford the S Class.

Doesn't need to be a Merc, but the Prius is slightly embarrassing.

Cpaw wrote: »

Can't understand why Brian gets the 07 E 220 and Bertie keeps his s350, why not swap surely??

mickdw wrote: »

Bertie had the S class until someone tried to set fire to it recently. Maybe its gone for repairs.
S Class for Bertie, E Class for Cowen..... That all wrong. Cowen should get an old C Class.

There's an S-Class or similar on order for Biffo, or so I was told during the Lisbon campaign when I made a point about the E-Class. The 2006 S350 was repaired and is operational

delly wrote: »

afaik these cars are officially classed the same as Garda cars and are driven by Gardai. The president does her bit so I wouldn't be too harsh on her, it could be worse however, we could have a royal family.

Indeed

esel wrote: »

Folks, please stick to normal colour. Black text is very hard to read for users on Cloud skin (a lot of people use Cloud).

Or people like me using BIE

Stekelly wrote: »

Barry Andrews is my new favorite politican.

Interesting that he is the only Minister of State with a car. I have a feeling this may change after Dick Roche's incident during the week.

Also interesting to note Batt has a 525

I think previous Taoisigh get a car of the same size/standard as the one they had on retirement, explaining the 9-5 and Mondeo.

miju

bigkev49 wrote: »

Did Biffo inherit it?

he got his own new car not too long ago IIRC

MercMad

Its fair enough the former Taoisai having chauffered state cars, and years ago when they used R25's and Granadas it looked embarrassing when compared to the UK who used Daimlers etc..

Anyway since there are no Granadas,Senators,big Renaults then why now the Mercs. At least they could get more than scrap value when they are auctioned off unlike the previous cars I mentioned.

However, why dont he use S320 CDi's?? Same price, more economical and just as fast ?

Biffo is obviously getting a '09 one, and I'm assuming what the State pays for one doesn't bear any relation to the list price !