Massive floodlights to line Galway skyline over Galway bay

extraice

Pearse Stadium replyd on old Planning application to Amend the Planning application to City Council on second Floodlighing application. .9/6/08
Reference: File number 08299

Galway GAA County Board for Pearse Stadium, for the erection and installation of four floodlight masts 39 metres high with associated floodlights, control gear and site works. ( not including the bace wich is 6 - 7 meters hight

Galway skyline is going to have four new towers , wich will be seen from all over the city and as you come from the main roads . We have change the word to the Famous song "The moon rise over Cladagh And see the sun. Go down on Galway Bay. wont see the moon rise due to the lights in salthill and 4 towers have to add to the "sun going down throught towers on galway bay"

this towers will also have Phone mast add to them with 2 schools with in meters as the cow flyes 400 kids

the County Board is hopping due no more meetting in city hall untill new year that this can be slipped throught the planning with out any problems

People we need to save the skyline from this big mast wich would tower 14 stores (yes that 14 story building) hight it will be the hightest and tallest structures in Galway city .

there is a pearsestadium blogspot you can fine out more , if this happen you going to fine problems try get home in the city at night time when matches are been played , Barna , Knocknacarra , Westside , Salthill , Taylors Hill , claddagh will be gridlocked with car zipping throught the town heading for matches

As in the Loacls there parking going to The venue could hold a crowd of 34,000 people but the surrounding area has only got adequate space for residential parking only , with no parking been proved by extra carparks in the area , due to salthill is now pay and display area at cost off 2,50 per hour , people will park on the side streets

As in concert the town do make money and Tourism , matches people just go to match and there hit for home once match is over


Hazard to road safety Inadequate, dangerous or excessive traffic movements to and from a facility

dcukhunter

Cant wait night time matchs then head to town for a few.

Cosmo K

this towers will also have Phone mast add to them with 2 schools with in meters as the cow flyes 400 kids

There will be a free tin foil hat for every kid.......give me break! There are mobile phone masts all over the city.

sgthighway

You already have a Thread going about Traffic Management.

To save me all the hassle of looking through the full planning application; Can you tell me where the bit about the Phone Mast is referenced. I believe there is one there alreay just like there is in Westside, Ballyloughanne and several other sporting venues around galway. These phone masts provide vital income to our sports groups who help the young.

If people look at the drawinings part of the application they will see detailed drawings of the lights along with photographs of similar ones in other venues. You can see what they look like from the distance at day and night.
In my opinion they are not an eye soar.

Bass Cadet

Great news. Football in floodlights and then onto the pub

Zzippy

extraice wrote: »

Pearse Stadium replyd on old Planning application to Amend the Planning application to City Council on second Floodlighing application. .9/6/08
Reference: File number 08299

Galway GAA County Board for Pearse Stadium, for the erection and installation of four floodlight masts 39 metres high with associated floodlights, control gear and site works. ( not including the bace wich is 6 - 7 meters hight

Galway skyline is going to have four new towers , wich will be seen from all over the city and as you come from the main roads . We have change the word to the Famous song "The moon rise over Cladagh And see the sun. Go down on Galway Bay. wont see the moon rise due to the lights in salthill and 4 towers have to add to the "sun going down throught towers on galway bay"

this towers will also have Phone mast add to them with 2 schools with in meters as the cow flyes 400 kids

the County Board is hopping due no more meetting in city hall untill new year that this can be slipped throught the planning with out any problems

People we need to save the skyline from this big mast wich would tower 14 stores (yes that 14 story building) hight it will be the hightest and tallest structures in Galway city .

there is a pearsestadium blogspot you can fine out more , if this happen you going to fine problems try get home in the city at night time when matches are been played , Barna , Knocknacarra , Westside , Salthill , Taylors Hill , claddagh will be gridlocked with car zipping throught the town heading for matches

As in the Loacls there parking going to The venue could hold a crowd of 34,000 people but the surrounding area has only got adequate space for residential parking only , with no parking been proved by extra carparks in the area , due to salthill is now pay and display area at cost off 2,50 per hour , people will park on the side streets

As in concert the town do make money and Tourism , matches people just go to match and there hit for home once match is over


Hazard to road safety Inadequate, dangerous or excessive traffic movements to and from a facility

Exaggerate much?

A) How many people do you think will be attending night time club matches - 30,000? :rolleyes: Try 300...

Residents have no right to the skyline under planning legislation

C) Traffic gridlock - LOL, we've already got that

D) The old phone mast causes cancer chestnut. "Won't somebody please think of the children!!!"

E) If you bought a house there, there was already a stadium there. WTF did you expect - they would close it to suit you? :rolleyes:

TristanPeter

I didn't know cows could fly

big b

course, the floodlights wouldn't affect people that much if they were pointing towards the pitch instead of the bay........

Robbo

I believe there is a positive aspect to the new lights in that they also form part of a new community policing initiative. Whenever a crime is committed, they can be used to mobilise a wealthy but orphaned vigilante. It's had a marked improvement on crime there.

Pingu

TristanPeter wrote: »

I didn't know cows could fly

All the pigs are in quarentine :pac:

But seriously, they're developing the stadium, surely that's a good thing? People that complain about this sort of thing are probably the same people that give out that we have nothing in Galway?

Mrs OBumble

Pingu wrote: »

But seriously, they're developing the stadium, surely that's a good thing? People that complain about this sort of thing are probably the same people that give out that we have nothing in Galway?

I've not that much sympathy for the residents and their scaremongering (and lack of ability with English, from the look of that first post!)

But really, it's not a smart site for a stadium at all. Narrow roads leading to it, no parking, very little public transport - even if buses were provided virtually everyone would have to catch two. It's difficult to find (yes, I have walked there from town, kinda followed the crowd after a certain point, but we took a few extra turns along the way). No room to expand, and surrounded by local residents who, umm, aren't exactly the GAA type.

JohnCleary

JustMary wrote: »

I've not that much sympathy for the residents and their scaremongering (and lack of ability with English, from the look of that first post!)

But really, it's not a smart site for a stadium at all. Narrow roads leading to it, no parking, very little public transport - even if buses were provided virtually everyone would have to catch two. It's difficult to find (yes, I have walked there from town, kinda followed the crowd after a certain point, but we took a few extra turns along the way). No room to expand, and surrounded by local residents who, umm, aren't exactly the GAA type.

I'd say the pitch was there long before the current residents, so hardly the pitches fault. But yeah it's a bit of a silly place for such a large pitch to be in that area for all the reasons you say above

ronnie3585

JustMary wrote: »

surrounded by local residents who, umm, aren't exactly the GAA type.

Are you sure you're talking about Salthill?

Buglim

I will take one tinfoil hat.

Ronan|Raven

Am I the only one who think 39m tall floodlights is a typo? ontop of a 7m base.... that is the guts of 150 or so feet.

Robbo

JustMary wrote: »

I've not that much sympathy for the residents and their scaremongering (and lack of ability with English, from the look of that first post!)

But really, it's not a smart site for a stadium at all. Narrow roads leading to it, no parking, very little public transport - even if buses were provided virtually everyone would have to catch two. It's difficult to find (yes, I have walked there from town, kinda followed the crowd after a certain point, but we took a few extra turns along the way). No room to expand, and surrounded by local residents who, umm, aren't exactly the GAA type.

Pearse Stadium was built the best part of a generation ago, long before most of the surrounding housing. If you live in the area and have no truck with GAA, you've forfeited your right to complain.

KevR

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Am I the only one who think 39m tall floodlights is a typo? ontop of a 7m base.... that is the guts of 150 or so feet.

The original poster also said this about the floodlights' height:

People we need to save the skyline from this big mast wich would tower 14 stores (yes that 14 story building) hight it will be the hightest and tallest structures in Galway city .

Am I right in saying a building with 14 stories would correspond to 39 (+7) metres? Although I don't really see why the masts would need to be that high so maybe it is a typo. I'm not really sure at all though, haven't heard too much about the Pearse Stadium floodlights.

Pingu

It appears that there's no such application, that Ref. Number is for a planning permission out past Cornamona, from back in Feb.

Alot of Stadiums are awkward residential places - look at Croker! The question then arises where would you put a stadium in Galway.

Mrs OBumble

Robbo wrote: »

Pearse Stadium was built the best part of a generation ago, long before most of the surrounding housing. If you live in the area and have no truck with GAA, you've forfeited your right to complain.

Ehh, a generation, that's 15 years?

Or do you mean a century?

Either way, it may have been a great site when Galway was a small town poking it's nose out of the surrounding bogs. It's now a city of 70,000 and times have moved on. Time for the GAA to move to a stadium site that befits their true status.

'Tis tempting to say ...

somewhere behind Ballybane

... but really, that would just cause more traffic problems. because of the traffic corridor issues.

Robbo

JustMary wrote: »

Ehh, a generation, that's 15 years?

Or do you mean a century?

It was built in the late 50s or early 60s.

I really think with a proper bit of planning, Galway could have 1 reasonable sized municipal stadium of a Thomond Park size.

The Sportsground needs a lot of improvement but Bord Na gCon are quite happy with the one stand they have so any money has to come from the Connacht Branch. I know dozens of people who will only go along to a rugby game if the weather's OK but would go if they could be guaranteed some form of shelter.

axiom32

Pingu wrote: »

The question then arises where would you put a stadium in Galway.

maybe a joint venture between the city and NUIG in developing a stadium on the grounds in Dangan, i know the space is there and it has access to main roads in both directions, plus u could have water taxis how cool wud that be and turn Menlo castle into a restaurant / bar with outdoor area large screen ideal for non ticket holders to party while game is on across the river think of the atmosphere

extraice

extraice wrote: »

Pearse Stadium replyd on old Planning application to Amend the Planning application to City Council on second Floodlighing application. .9/6/08
Reference: File number 08299

Galway GAA County Board for Pearse Stadium, for the erection and installation of four floodlight masts 39 metres high with associated floodlights, control gear and site works. ( not including the bace wich is 6 - 7 meters hight

Galway skyline is going to have four new towers , wich will be seen from all over the city and as you come from the main roads . We have change the word to the Famous song "The moon rise over Cladagh And see the sun. Go down on Galway Bay. wont see the moon rise due to the lights in salthill and 4 towers have to add to the "sun going down throught towers on galway bay"

this towers will also have Phone mast add to them with 2 schools with in meters as the cow flyes 400 kids

the County Board is hopping due no more meetting in city hall untill new year that this can be slipped throught the planning with out any problems

People we need to save the skyline from this big mast wich would tower 14 stores (yes that 14 story building) hight it will be the hightest and tallest structures in Galway city .

there is a pearsestadium blogspot you can fine out more , if this happen you going to fine problems try get home in the city at night time when matches are been played , Barna , Knocknacarra , Westside , Salthill , Taylors Hill , claddagh will be gridlocked with car zipping throught the town heading for matches

As in the Loacls there parking going to The venue could hold a crowd of 34,000 people but the surrounding area has only got adequate space for residential parking only , with no parking been proved by extra carparks in the area , due to salthill is now pay and display area at cost off 2,50 per hour , people will park on the side streets

As in concert the town do make money and Tourism , matches people just go to match and there hit for home once match is over


Hazard to road safety Inadequate, dangerous or excessive traffic movements to and from a facility

If there is one thing that annoys me its residents complaining about pearse stadium. For fecks sake any decent size city in the world has stadiums in town look at the big grounds in citys in the UK much much bigger than pearse stadium and people dont be complaining. Nobody will even notice the lights or a bit of traffic for a few hours an odd sunday of the year and an odd evening during the week. It would sicken a horse listening to the complaining when Galway have a game in the stadium or there is a big club game on. Its not like they are going to stop playing matches so why waste your time complaining.

KevR

From experience of football grounds in England I wouldn't want Galway to have an out of town purpose built GAA stadium.

It's all well and good having a shiney new stadium with ample parking and stuff but these stadiums are often souless because of their un-original bowl shaped design and attendences can be poor because they're out of town. (A few examples being Bolton's Reebok Stadium, Reading's Madjeski Stadium and Wigan's JJB Stadium).

It's fine having plenty of parking but if it's out of town people will be forced to drive there rather than possibly walk (if it's in town) and chances are there won't be any pubs around so nobody will be able to have a drink. And even if there was a pub nobody would be able to drink, having driven there and all.

Pearse Stadium isn't ideal (in terms of there being no parking whatsoever and limited public transport) but I think it's a lot better than some stadium (albeit purpose built) out in the middle of some huge industrial estate over in the East Side of town. I can walk to Pearse Stadium or Terryland from my house. Would definetly put me off going if I had to drive across town to a stadium in some industrial estate in Ballybane.

Might just be me though..

biko

What floodlighting can look like
http://meath.gaa.ie/grounds.htm
http://www.clonmoregfc.com/Floodlights1.JPG

big b

biko wrote: »

What floodlighting can look like
http://meath.gaa.ie/grounds.htm
http://www.clonmoregfc.com/Floodlights1.JPG

Yeah, but we shouldn't let reality get in the way of a good old bitching session.

Sconsey

Far too many comments to quote a reply to so here goes...

- All you who say the stadium was there for years, people that live there knew it was there...true. But the stadium was redeveloped a few years ago and planning was granted based on a number of conditions, so many of the conditions have not been met it is crazy. Residents have every right to complain that the GAA are flouting the planning conditions and in my opinion the GAA should be punished (it's just a weak-ass planning dept in Galway that are letting them away with it). Furthermore, when GAA were proposing the redevelopment of stadium they met with local residents asking them not to object, they promised that if planning was granted they would not use the stadiium for concerts or night-time games. I was at the meeting that was held when Aiken were planning for Bob Dylan concert, someone in the crowd asked the Galway GAA chairman why they were allowing a concert when they promised they would not do that...the guy just turned round and said' I didin't promise that, my predecessor did'. So what can we take from that little rant; the Galway GAA board will lie and cheat to get what they want, the stadium was there a long time but the GAA have changed the stadium and it's use so I say the residents have every right to object to these changes.

-Someone said that people cannot object to changes in a skyline? I doubt that but anyway, they can certainly object to huge masts being erected outside their homes, casting shadows, etc. Not to mention the light pollution.

-To the people who posted random pictures of floodlights and those that have looked at the submission...the GAA have bogus 'artist impressions' in the application, look at the actual engineers drawing, look at the scale of the masts and lights in relation to the heigth of the stand, they are about five times higher than the stand.

-Why was the original submission pulled by the GAA at the last moment? because they knew they would be refused.

-To the person who said 'why complain it will happen anyway'...lol

- The Galway GAA board have shown that if you give them an inch they will take a mile (and council will turn a blind eye). If residents don't react the GAA will have the local area destroyed seven days a week, not just when there are games on.

I could go on but it's all been said before, I would urge anyone with doubts about the comments I've made to check out the pearsestadium bloogspot for a more factual (lass ranty) argument.

Phew, longest post ever.

ErnieBert

Robbo wrote: »

I really think with a proper bit of planning, Galway could have 1 reasonable sized municipal stadium of a Thomond Park size.
.

Agreed. Pearse Stadium and Terryland were dumps until recently. Sportsground has improved a lot too. I am a regular at Galway United games and it is a fine venue but it only has 4000 covered seats. Access and parking can be hell, even for low-key games. Sportsfround has the best catering facilities and is very centrally located. Pearse Stadium holds 30,000 of which 8,000 is covered seating.

A combination of the best features of the aforemantioned 3 Galway stadia would make a great city stadium. Just like Thomand Park....
*central location
*floodlights
*large covered seated area
*excellent facilities
*pleanty of parking

Thomand Park will hold concert next year (Rod Stewart, Elton John) as well as an international soccer tounament (they are hoping to get Arsenal).

extraice

lot off good points there , but this is gaa , no international soccer rugby there
the photos you link two are small compaired to what Gaa are trying to put in salthill

And as chat to few that live there , i been told that the Gaa dont give one free ticket to an matches are Gigs there , this house on rockbarton rd wich is all was blocked up with cars on match days , big are small matches

Gaa dont even talk to there Neighbours , traffic problems are going to become more problems in west side off the city and the bypass aswell

that come and go by park out side the Pearse Stadium gate but not taken in that Neighbours have t do the same aswell , this people are blocked in for the day due matches ,

People we need to save the skyline from this big mast wich would tower 14 stores (yes that 14 story building) hight it will be the hightest and tallest structures in Galway city .

SimpleSam06

Reece Curved Tutu wrote: »

For fecks sake any decent size city in the world has stadiums in town look at the big grounds in citys in the UK much much bigger than pearse stadium and people dont be complaining.

I'd wager those stadiums come with adequate parking facilities, however.

KevR wrote: »

It's fine having plenty of parking but if it's out of town people will be forced to drive there rather than possibly walk (if it's in town) and chances are there won't be any pubs around so nobody will be able to have a drink. And even if there was a pub nobody would be able to drink, having driven there and all.

So the people who have lived their whole lives in the area, raised families and tried to make it a better place to live have to put up with some flute from Roscommon parking his honda civic in their driveway so you can have a few scoops and scratch that itch? You're breaking my heart here. I mean its not like they could lay on buses like they did for the races. And thats not to mention the massive cost in taxpayers money in terms of Garda resources wasted trying to direct the traffic somewhere useful.

Parking for 30,000. Think about it.

galwayrush

Anyways, the "14 storey" lights won't be as dominant:rolleyes: when they build the 16 storey towers in Ceannt station, not forgetting the 30 storey tower proposed for Salthill with the revolving restaurant on top.

skelliser

The floodlights will be of the equivalent height to those currently at the sportsground.
Another issue neither the connaught branch or bord na gcon own the sportsground, a trust owns the land there, im dont recall just now who they are but will find out again. Galway united along with the connaught branch in conjunction with bnag should have joined together and developed the sportsground but alas respective politics have put to bed that idea.

imo its scaremongering/not in my back garden rubbish being pushed by some residents on rockbarton road, last season there was only 2/3 major matches.
Have a bit of pride in the jersey! sure dont they get all the free tickets they want!

KevR

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Parking for 30,000. Think about it.

Having given it some thought I have drawn the following conclusions:

• Not all spectators that attend Pearse Stadium use a car to get there.
• Those that do use a car - there's hardly going to be an average of one person per car is there?
• Any person attending who is under the age of 17 definitely won't use a car to get there (so they'll either come via some other form of transport or come along with someone else in a car).
• Therefore, I personally doubt very much that there will be anywhere near 30,000 cars in the vicinity on any given match day.

While I don't live in the immediate vicinity of Pearse Stadium, I do live pretty near. We can hear the noise of the crowd and the stadium announcer from outside our house. On very big matchdays we sometimes get people parking outside our house (thankfully they have never blocked our drive way or anything like that). We do get affected by the extra traffic in the area on big matchdays.

It doesn't really bother me to be honest, I actually quite enjoy the atmosphere/buzz that a matchday/concert brings to the area. Although I do understand this won't be the case for everyone.

I like the stadium being near where I live because I can walk to a match if I'm going and like I said I enjoy the atmosphere that it brings. I stand by what I said - that I wouldn't like to see Pearse Stadium being replaced by some purpose built stadium in an industrial estate on the East Side.

schween

Salthill residents complaining again. Nothing new there.

SimpleSam06

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

I'd wager those stadiums come with adequate parking facilities, however.

I would gladly take your wager as they do not. Just as a example the emirates stadium were Arsenal play does not have a car park atall and of all the stadiums which I have visited, Anfield, Stamford bridge and the emirates to name a few have had at most parking for the players and maybe a few VIP's if any parking atall.

SimpleSam06

KevR wrote: »

Therefore, I personally doubt very much that there will be anywhere near 30,000 cars in the vicinity on any given match day.

Well, I didn't say parking for 30,000 cars. If you live near the area you must know the chaos caused by a big match though - maybe if they put the car park on the east side or just laid on buses from the square? I'd go so far as to say that considerably more people have no interest in GAA games than otherwise.

Reece Curved Tutu wrote: »

I would gladly take your wager as they do not. Just as a example the emirates stadium were Arsenal play does not have a car park atall and of all the stadiums which I have visited, Anfield, Stamford bridge and the emirates to name a few have had at most parking for the players and maybe a few VIP's if any parking atall.

The stadiums you mention are all in major metropolitan areas, Liverpool and London, which can easily accommodate many more visitors than Galway. If the one in Liverpool had seating for a quarter of a million, and the one in London had seating for four million, you'd have an equivalent problem.

KevR

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

maybe if they put the car park on the east side or just laid on buses from the square?

Would actually be a good idea having maybe a Park & Ride from the racecourse on big match days. I'm sure it would appeal to people coming from outside of Galway. They could park in the racecourse and not have to worry about battling their way across the city in the traffic and then struggling to find a parking space. If advertised properly, I'm sure it'd make money for those who decided to lay on such a service (GAA or Bus Eireann). Also, special matchday buses from Eyre Square would be good business for Bus Eireann. If they had a good service in place it would encourage people to come to Galway on trains/buses for matches because they could get a convenient connection from the train station/Square. As it stands, it's not attractive to travel this way.

Don't know why Bus Eireann and the GAA don't organise something like this, they could probably make money from it and it would help traffic congestion near the stadium on matchdays.

Sconsey

skelliser wrote: »

imo its scaremongering/not in my back garden rubbish being pushed by some residents on rockbarton road, last season there was only 2/3 major matches.
Have a bit of pride in the jersey! sure dont they get all the free tickets they want!

2/3 major matches, 1 or 2 club matches every weekend throught the GAA season, and a few mid week also. The guards rarely even show their faces for the club games so the supporters "park" anywhere and everywhere...
And yeah, it is exactly a not in my backyard thing, would you like big frigging floodlights shining in every window in your house?, would you like idiots parking in your driveway?, would you like some idiot on a tannoy waking your kids at night? would you like four masts looming over youe when you go out in your garden/look out the window? I doubt it, and I (and everyone else in the neighbourhood) will be doing everything we can to prevent it.


Pride in the jersey? I lost all that when I saw the kind of people that are running Galway Gaa, and no, never got a free ticket from them, they know where i would tell them to stick their tickets :rolleyes:

citycentre

If you live in a city you have to live with the consequences as well as the benefits. A city is all about having a mixture of uses and functions operating side by side. Sports stadiums are one of those uses and it's not unreasonable to expect a Sports Stadium to develop and improve as time goes on such as installing floodlights. If you can't deal with having such facilities that serve the whole community "in your backyard" then move. It's like someone choosing to live on Quay Street complaining about noise from the pubs...

Sconsey

BTH wrote: »

If you live in a city you have to live with the consequences as well as the benefits. A city is all about having a mixture of uses and functions operating side by side. Sports stadiums are one of those uses and it's not unreasonable to expect a Sports Stadium to develop and improve as time goes on such as installing floodlights. If you can't deal with having such facilities that serve the whole community "in your backyard" then move. It's like someone choosing to live on Quay Street complaining about noise from the pubs...

Your argument works both ways....if the GAA choose to put a stadium in a resedintial area they have to live with the consequences....the planning laws for the area state that the light levels for a resedential area cannot exceed certain values, the floodlights would exceed those values....the GAA should have considred all this before developing a stadium in a resedential area, if the GAA can't deal with if they should move somewhere else.

citycentre

Sconsey wrote: »

Your argument works both ways....if the GAA choose to put a stadium in a resedintial area they have to live with the consequences....the planning laws for the area state that the light levels for a resedential area cannot exceed certain values, the floodlights would exceed those values....the GAA should have considred all this before developing a stadium in a resedential area, if the GAA can't deal with if they should move somewhere else.

Pearse Stadium was opened as Galway's county ground in 1957. Most of the houses in the vicinity were built afterwards.

Sconsey

BTH wrote: »

Pearse Stadium was opened as Galway's county ground in 1957. Most of the houses in the vicinity were built afterwards.

So it's not a resedential area?

citycentre

Sconsey wrote: »

So it's not a resedential area?

It's a mixed-use area. Residential AND sportsground. Anyone who has ever built or bought a house in the area has known well that they will have the Galway county GAA ground to contend with. The addition of floodlights seems like a completely natural development of the venue to me and really, if it comes down to light levels (which is the only half-logical argument against their provision) then maybe some decent black-out blinds would be an idea...

skelliser

14 stories high, me hole!
lets put this into context:
Are you honestly saying that these lights will be taller then liberty hall in dublin ffs!! 14 stories is more then twice as high as the eyre square shopping centre carpark!!your havin a laugh
i doubt theres any floodlights in europe that are anywhere near 14 stories high.

you've taken scaremongering to new heights! pardon the pun!

SimpleSam06

BTH wrote: »

Pearse Stadium was opened as Galway's county ground in 1957. Most of the houses in the vicinity were built afterwards.

Eh much as I realise that change is not part of the remit of the fossils in charge of the GAA, you can't deal with residential and planning issues on a first come first serve basis. The fact is there is a huge residential community in the area now, and their needs must be taken into consideration, and they have to come before those of a sports association.

citycentre

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Eh much as I realise that change is not part of the remit of the fossils in charge of the GAA, you can't deal with residential and planning issues on a first come first serve basis. The fact is there is a huge residential community in the area now, and their needs must be taken into consideration, and they have to come before those of a sports association.

I happen to disagree. I'll repeat. Anyone who has built or bought a house in the area must have been fully aware that an adjacent major sporting facility was part of the deal. They should have built or bought somewhere else if the existence and development of said facility was going to be a problem. Another comparison - it's like choosing to live overlooking the docks then complaining about the noise from their workings or that the Volvo Boat Race is going to disrupt their lives in some way (as I've heard from some people). Ridiculous. It's a complete waste of time objecting to the floodlights on the grounds that it's a "residential area" now because planners WILL take into account that Pearse Stadium was the first land use in the area and that residents knew it was there all along.

Sorry to be so dismissive of the concerns of the residents but really, as even the Croke Park lighting installation has shown, the impact, visual and in terms of light "pollution" of these floodlights is going to be so minimal that the objections seem completely hysterical to me. The Rockbarton & Dr. Mannix Rd. areas are still going to be extremely desirable (precisely because of their proximity to the facilities of Salthill and the city centre.). People need to get a grip and stop allowing the snobbish GAA-hating element in the locality to whip up such exaggerated nonsense about 14 storey height towers, 30,000 cars and ultra high powered phone masts...

What the locals should be doing is trying to make sure that when these floodlights go in that they are the most high-tech, perfectly focussed with minimal "spillage" models that are available and that the masts holding the floodlights should be beautifully designed (perhaps like the collapsible one at the Hill16 end of Croke Park which is actually quite attractive for a utilitarian object.). I know damn well myself that Galway County Board will try to go for the cheapest option they can find but the planning process can push them to do something better if constructive observations are submitted.

JohnCleary

BTH wrote: »

Another comparison - it's like choosing to live overlooking the docks then complaining about the noise from their workings or that the Volvo Boat Race is going to disrupt their lives in some way (as I've heard from some people). Ridiculous.

This really cracks me up - Some eejit on here yesterday saying that they hope they get free tickets to concerts etc. (eventhough it's going to be open-air duhhhhh) because of the noise that will be created as they live by the docks - Who are you kidding? You choose to live in a commercial area of the city where work is carried out 24/7 (mainly due to tidal restrictions) and you seek compensation/expect people to only work certain hours? Docks was there longgggg before any apartments in that area

mikemac

I was a Croke Park resident when the lights were installed.
You can multiply the hysteria from some residents by many times compared to the OP here.
Someone went on national radio and quoted Human rights and matches restricted our "freedom of movement" in the area :eek:
Salthill residents seem tame in comparison

The lights weren't only on for matches.
During midweek, they often be on for several hours, I assume for tests. So they may be on for a few days a week even if there is no game.

Light pollution? The whole area was lit up, I thought it looked fantastic but it was usually swiched off by 10pm
Sure when they were first installed, they knocked out the power for most of Drumcondra for an hour:D

You move to an area beside a county stadium, don't come bitching here.

mikemac

JohnCleary wrote: »

.... they live by the docks - Who are you kidding? You choose to live in a commercial area of the city where work is carried out 24/7 (mainly due to tidal restrictions) and you seek compensation/expect people to only work certain hours? Docks was there longgggg before any apartments in that area

OT but they were a very interesting documentary on TG4 a few weeks back. Tidal restrictions realy hamper Galway port so there are plans for a deep water port in Rossaveal (sorry, poor spelling)
I know this was proposed years ago but it looks pretty certain and can be done at a fraction of developing a similar port in Galway
Twas interesting

Sconsey

BTH wrote: »

It's a mixed-use area. Residential AND sportsground. Anyone who has ever built or bought a house in the area has known well that they will have the Galway county GAA ground to contend with.

Wrong, the city developmet plan describes it as a mature residential suburb.

Sconsey

skelliser wrote: »

14 stories high, me hole!
lets put this into context:
Are you honestly saying that these lights will be taller then liberty hall in dublin ffs!! 14 stories is more then twice as high as the eyre square shopping centre carpark!!your havin a laugh
i doubt theres any floodlights in europe that are anywhere near 14 stories high.

you've taken scaremongering to new heights! pardon the pun!

Have you actually looked at the plans? I have and the engineering plans put them at a total heigth of 39 metres. Do you know the heigth of an average storey in a building? it's about 2.8 - 3 metres. Do the math.
You should really check your facts before accusing people of scaremongering.

But now maybe you can at least get an idea why people are mad about what the GAA are proposing....floodlights that high are waaay out of order.

JohnCleary

micmclo wrote: »

OT but they were a very interesting documentary on TG4 a few weeks back. Tidal restrictions realy hamper Galway port so there are plans for a deep water port in Rossaveal (sorry, poor spelling)
I know this was proposed years ago but it looks pretty certain and can be done at a fraction of developing a similar port in Galway
Twas interesting

OT again sorry Was at a meeting not so long ago with one of the Galway Harbour staff and they said that they've got the 'go ahead from Europe' (Whatever that means) to start planning for the extension at Galway Harbour which will be like a big finger developement coming out from the area behind Galway Harbour Enterprise Park which will mean boats can come and go without depending on the tide.

What would have been a great idea would have been to lay oil pipes when they were building the sewage treatment plant so that at least the fuel tankers could unload there, as there's deep water right up to the shore of Mutton Island. This had been thought out, but uproar from a certain local residents group threw that plan out the window