If the "Rules Of The Road" were updated...

Fighting Irish

...and you could add anything to it, what would you add?



If you can the see the taillights of the car in front of you, then he can see your full headlights, so turn them off.

If you see a cars lights ahead, don't wait until you've turned the corner before dimming your full headlights.

If you are driving behind someone and don't plan on overtaking them, if possible lower your headlights to the ground slightly or else back off a bit.

We don't care if you're just picking someone up or just running into the shop, don't park on the road and cause trouble for other drivers.

If you are driving on a big road with a big hard shoulder and someone is driving up your arse, it would be easiest for everyone if you just stayed a little to the left. Just don't sit in the middle of the road.

Fog lights are to be used when theres fog.

If you are driving and the person ahead of you keeps tapping their break. They are trying to tell you something.


Can't think of anymore right now but i know theres defo a lot more :pac:

Berty

Fighting Irish wrote: »

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If you are driving behind someone and don't plan on overtaking them, if possible lower your headlights to the ground slightly or else back off a bit.

I do not agree. The lights are only supposed to be lowered to ground level if you are carrying a heavy load, full complement of heavy passengers and/or towing a trailer.

The handbook for each car says which setting to lower your lights to for each different load.

javaboy

Drive in the leftmost lane except when overtaking.

Yes I know it's already in the ROTR. I just want it printed in a bigger font. :pac:

Fighting Irish

quirke_folder wrote: »

I do not agree. The lights are only supposed to be lowered to ground level if you are carrying a heavy load, full complement of heavy passengers and/or towing a trailer.

The handbook for each car says which setting to lower your lights to for each different load.

I didn't say lower them to the ground, lower them slightly OR back off a bit(not much, just enough that your lights are not shining in my back window. about 20-30 meters would do that)

Fighting Irish

javaboy wrote: »

Drive in the leftmost lane except when overtaking.

Yes I know it's already in the ROTR. I just want it printed in a bigger font. :pac:

I always forget about the most obvious

Berty

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I didn't say lower them to the ground, lower them slightly OR back off a bit(not much, just enough that your lights are not shining in my back window. about 20-30 meters would do that)

There are two types of rear view mirrors installed in cars. They both deflect the dazzle from cars.

Either flick the button into the other position to change the mirror from a convex to a concave or vice versa OR you might have an auto dim mirror.

As there is already a provision for this then there is no need to have people meddle with the controls any more than usual. People are currently unable to make the correct use of their control nows so why complicate it more?

Fighting Irish

quirke_folder wrote: »

There are two types of rear view mirrors installed in cars. They both deflect the dazzle from cars.

Either flick the button into the other position to change the mirror from a convex to a concave or vice versa OR you might have an auto dim mirror.

As there is already a provision for this then there is no need to have people meddle with the controls any more than usual. People are currently unable to make the correct use of their control nows so why complicate it more?

OR BACK OFF A LITTLE

I understand what you're saying, i'd just like for everything to be as easy as possible for all road users.

cashmni1

I think driving knowledge and road manners are the main ingredients.
1. Pay attention to where you are on the road and know what lane you should be in.
2. Common sence really, Dip your lights, or else you blind the on-comming driver, who could hit you!
I really wish there was a night part to drivier training. Everyone seems to learn by experience which isn't really good enough.
Too many times i have to flash a driver to dip. The odd time is ok, but it's all too common these days.

L-M

If you do not have the capabilities of using a round about, stay the **** away from them.
If you see a classic car coming, don't assume it's going 10mph and pull out in front of it.

Ah so on so forth lol:D

DonJose

javaboy wrote: »

Drive in the leftmost lane except when overtaking.

Yes I know it's already in the ROTR. I just want it printed in a bigger font. :pac:

Can I borrow your big font "Indicate at roundabouts", nothing pisses me off more than being stuck a busy roundabout and seeing idiots not using indicators, I'm waiting to let them drive by when they turn left without indicating.

pipsqueak

If the speed limit is 100k per hour drive at the limit not 40k under it, if you cant keep up with the rest of the normal people , - get of the ******* road!!!!
I have a theory seems to be true, small car= small driving ability!!

Berty

Fighting Irish wrote: »

OR BACK OFF A LITTLE

You dont have to shout.

unkel

Some good points there, Fighting Irish. Although I agree with quirke_folder that the one he quoted is way OTT

I feel strongly about this one:

Fighting Irish wrote: »

If you see a cars lights ahead, don't wait until you've turned the corner before dimming your full headlights.

I've turned it into a game. I always try to dim my full beam before the other party does. So far the score is roughly:

unkel: 10,000
oncoming drivers: 10

mikemac

If you want to pull into the side of the road, that's no problem, just do it safetly and use your left indicator.

Often I see parked cars with their hazards on, but due to parked cars around them I can only see their right indicator.
So I slow down a little as they might pull out suddenly
Then I get alongside them and the hazards are on.
Sorry if I've explained it badly

It's realy simple, costs nothing and could be implemented by everyone with no effort.
If you are stopped on a hard shoulder or somewhere dangerous, yes use the hazards.
But not when you are pulling in to park on a street.


Oh and motorcycles to be able to use buslanes. Unofficaly this is in place already as I've certainly never been stopped. Motorcycles don't slow down anyone and actually ease congestion. Open the buslanes!

pipsqueak

Your only allowed to overtake on a continous white line when the vehicle you wish to overtake is a slow moving vehicle (not capable of exceeding 50k) and once its safe to do so. what do you do if your behind a car and the driver is incapable of driving/keeping to the speed limit? should you be allowed to overtake on the continous once safe???

Fighting Irish

cashmni1 wrote: »

I think driving knowledge and road manners are the main ingredients.
1. Pay attention to where you are on the road and know what lane you should be in.
2. Common sence really, Dip your lights, or else you blind the on-comming driver, who could hit you!
I really wish there was a night part to drivier training. Everyone seems to learn by experience which isn't really good enough.
Too many times i have to flash a driver to dip. The odd time is ok, but it's all too common these days.

Thats the problem, some people have none

zilog_jones

micmclo wrote: »

Often I see parked cars with their hazards on, but due to parked cars around them I can only see their right indicator.
So I slow down a little as they might pull out suddenly
Then I get alongside them and the hazards are on.

But didn't you know they're not hazard lights - they're magical-park-anywhere lights! :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I've come across the same problem when they've parked between other cars. Pretty annoying. People should be fined for misuse of hazard lights, but I'm sure the guards have bigger problems to deal with...

pipsqueak wrote: »

If the speed limit is 100k per hour drive at the limit not 40k under it, if you cant keep up with the rest of the normal people , - get of the ******* road!!!!

In all fairness it's a limit, not a target. But driving that slowly with no reasonable excuse (trailer, etc.) would be taking the píss.

Fighting Irish wrote: »

If you are driving behind someone and don't plan on overtaking them, if possible lower your headlights to the ground slightly or else back off a bit.

This is a bad idea and you should feel bad. Also I'm sure a lot of people don't even know how to adjust their headlights nor when they should adjust them, and I don't think they're mandatory requirement either. Also also, as one of my headlights is some cheapo spurious part I can only adjust one of mine

Fog lights are to be used when theres fog.

I'm pretty sure it already says this. The real problem with the current ROTR is that people don't read the thing or just don't care.

If you are driving and the person ahead of you keeps tapping their break. They are trying to tell you something.

From my experience it just means they're a bad driver and don't know what to do when there's someone in front of them driving slower than the speed they want to drive.

pipsqueak

zilog_jones wrote: »

But didn't you know they're not hazard lights - they're magical-park-anywhere lights! :rolleyes:
Seriously though, I've come across the same problem when they've parked between other cars. Pretty annoying. People should be fined for misuse of hazard lights, but I'm sure the guards have bigger problems to deal with...


In all fairness it's a limit, not a target. But driving that slowly with no reasonable excuse (trailer, etc.) would be taking the píss.


This is a bad idea and you should feel bad. Also I'm sure a lot of people don't even know how to adjust their headlights nor when they should adjust them, and I don't think they're mandatory requirement either. Also also, as one of my headlights is some cheapo spurious part I can only adjust one of mine


I'm pretty sure it already says this. The real problem with the current ROTR is that people don't read the thing or just don't care.


From my experience it just means they're a bad driver and don't know what to do when there's someone in front of them driving slower than the speed they want to drive.

Funny that, you said its a limit not a target, i was done for 120k in a 100 3 months ago and a garda said the same thing to me hmmm

Cunning Alias

Can I borrow your big font "Indicate at roundabouts", nothing pisses me off more than being stuck a busy roundabout and seeing idiots not using indicators, I'm waiting to let them drive by when they turn left without indicating.

Couldn't agree more. Every near miss I have had is because of people not knowing what to do at roundabouts. My issue is "Using the proper lanes at roundabouts".

I always see people staying in the left lane as long as they feel like and earlier today I had a van (the international pricks of the road) go onto a roundabout at the same time as me (me in the left lane, him in the right) and then he forced his way in front of me to get off at the first exit.

I have a theory seems to be true, small car= small driving ability!!

You don't live in a city im guessing.

Wishbone Ash

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Fog lights are to be used when theres fog

That is already there (in fog and in falling snow)

Fighting Irish wrote:

If you are driving and the person ahead of you keeps tapping their break. They are trying to tell you something.

Usually that they are a crap driver.

DonJose wrote: »

I'm waiting to let them drive by when they turn left without indicating.

You should avoid making a manoeuvre on the strength of another driver's indicator. How can you tell that they haven't left it on by accident?

pipsqueak wrote: »

If the speed limit is 100k per hour drive at the limit not 40k under it, if you cant keep up with the rest of the normal people , - get of the ******* road!!!!

As has been said, it's the 'limit' based on good driving conditions. If it is dark and wet, with poor visibility, it may not be advisable to drive at that speed.

And you also seem to forget that certain categories of vehicles are limited to 45, 50, 65 and 80kph regardless of the general speed limit.

L1011

I'd have the "Keep left except when overtaking" printed on every single page, and once its been in the ROTR for a few months, allow mass sterlisiation and stripping of licences of anyone that disobeys it.

I'd also like some clarification of if 'auxiliary lanes' like the M50 has are classed as a separate roadway or not - e.g. can you undertake or not.

cyclopath2001

pipsqueak wrote: »

Your only allowed to overtake on a continous white line when the vehicle you wish to overtake is a slow moving vehicle (not capable of exceeding 50k) and once its safe to do so.

Are you proposing a new rule?

25. (1) Where traffic sign number RRM 001 [continuous white line] has been provided on a roadway or where two such traffic signs are provided in parallel, a driver shall not cross that sign or signs.

The current rule makes no mention of 50kph.

You're allowed pass, as long as you can do it safely, without causing inconvenience and without crossing the white line.

_Kaiser_

zilog_jones wrote: »

From my experience it just means they're a bad driver and don't know what to do when there's someone in front of them driving slower than the speed they want to drive.

OR more likely that you're (not you personally) too close and back the hell off!! :mad:

(Slowing the car down to a crawl also tends to work for the more persistent tailgaters as well)

Fighting Irish

If one of your headlights is out, it doesn't give you thr right to turn on your full beams

Poochie05

OK lowering the angle of your headlights as suggested by a previous poster is probably extreme but as they also suggested, pull back. If you can see the back of the driver in front's head in your headlights at night, you are too close. Even if your headlights are adjusted correctly, if you can see their head, your lights are flooding the cockpit with light and so causing a nuisance, if not a hazard. Correctly adjusted dipped headlights do not do this once the car behind is at an appropriate distance from the car in front.

zilog_jones

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

OR more likely that you're (not you personally) too close and back the hell off!! :mad:

(Slowing the car down to a crawl also tends to work for the more persistent tailgaters as well)

I don't tailgate, I was just saying it seems to be the tailgaters (not just the tailgatees) that do this too as they seem to have trouble maintaining a speed that isn't their desired speed without frequently braking. Maybe all tailgaters just have a stuck throttle? :rolleyes:

I usually just ignore them - they seem to get bored and overtake me eventually

Rabidlamb

It works in the states, you're allowed to turn left (their right) on a red light while yielding for oncoming traffic.

Not sure what happens if there's a green man for pedestrians just as you turn the corner mind you. Might is right.

Wishbone Ash

Generally here is nothing wrong with our existing Rules of the Road. The problem is with obeying them and enforcing them!

Rabidlamb wrote: »

It works in the states, you're allowed to turn left (their right) on a red light while yielding for oncoming traffic.

Not sure what happens if there's a green man for pedestrians just as you turn the corner mind you. Might is right.

The vehicle turning right (or left if it was here) must yield to pedestrians/pedestrian lights.

Fighting Irish wrote:

If one of your headlights is out, it doesn't give you thr right to turn on your full beams

That's already in there! It is illegal to drive a vehicle on a public road with one operating headlight.

cyclopath2001

Rabidlamb wrote: »

It works in the states, you're allowed to turn left (their right) on a red light while yielding for oncoming traffic. ...Not sure what happens if there's a green man for pedestrians just as you turn the corner mind you. Might is right.

If there's a pedestrian on the crossing, the the driver gives way.

Wouldn't work here unless pedesrians were armed.

Tabnabs

Compulsory to stop before entering a roundabout, stop the "ah sure I'll probably make it" brigade.


-2 penalty points for hitting a cyclist who has broken a red light.

Wishbone Ash

Dyflin wrote: »

Compulsory to stop before entering a roundabout, stop the "ah sure I'll probably make it" brigade

Those who stop unnecessarily when entering a roundabout are more annoying than the 'probably make it' brigade!

zilog_jones

Dyflin wrote: »

-2 penalty points for hitting a cyclist who has broken a red light.

Lol, good one

stek

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Those who stop unnecessarily when entering a roundabout are more annoying than the 'probably make it' brigade!

+1
They also cause unessesary traffic buildups.

NewApproach

One thing that annoys me is people who decide to indicate when they have already made the turn or have just turned off.

Everything else has already been mentioned...

Rabidlamb

How come those cars entering a roundabout from the busiest road get the priority I thought the idea of a roundabout was a fair shake for all. Sometimes you get caught in a constant stream & you just can't barge on.

Berty

Rabidlamb wrote: »

How come those cars entering a roundabout from the busiest road get the priority I thought the idea of a roundabout was a fair shake for all. Sometimes you get caught in a constant stream & you just can't barge on.

A roundabout is clockwise and the ROTR are that at an equal junction those on your right will always have the right of way.

More importantly those who are on the roundabout have the right of way.


Little off topic:
It always confuses the yanks in their own country. They have four way stop sign junctions. The law states those who reach it first get the right of way but if two reach it at the same time the person on the right gets right of way. However, if both arrive at 6 and 12 then who gets to go. There is no provision in their ROTR for that. Stupid Yanks

pdebarra

It's more that roundabouts keep traffic flowing. And so they do - they keep the majority of traffic going. The traffic on the bigger road(s), that is.

Berty

NewApproach wrote: »

One thing that annoys me is people who decide to indicate when they have already made the turn or have just turned off.

Everything else has already been mentioned...

Had something happen earlier with damn taxi driver. He came around the roundabout in the scenic view lane. He was taking the 3rd exit but went around the roundabout in the outer orbital lane(outside) which pained me because I was waiting to enter the roundabout from the 2nd exit. He indicated before the 2nd exit as though he wanted to take this exit so I moved out and he did not take the exit and nearly side swiped me.

NOW, legally he had the right of way, however he indicated to me that he was exiting but did not and traversed the roundabout in the wrong lane with his 9th belly steering the wheel.

I take pride in knowing he is earning around €50 a day. LOL

E92

stek wrote: »

+1
They also cause unessesary traffic buildups.

+2.

There should be nationwide adverts reminding people that you must stay in the LEFT lane unless you're overtaking(because people on the 3 lane N7 *never* do this), and a nationwide correct roundabout usage campaign would be nice too, because I think some people actually don't know how to use them(as opposed to couldn't be arsed doing it properly).

Berty

E92 wrote: »

+2.

There should be nationwide adverts reminding people that you must stay in the LEFT lane unless you're overtaking(because people on the 3 lane N7 *never* do this), and a nationwide correct roundabout usage campaign would be nice too, because I think some people actually don't know how to use them(as opposed to couldn't be arsed doing it properly).

I was on the N/M7 today and my GF had to tell me to shut up because I kept saying "watch that fvcker, watch him/her" I gave up and undertook, I just dont care anymore when it comes to that road. The entire left lane I was in was empty. It was at least 2kms behind me emtpy of cars yet the middle lane was full.

Wishbone Ash

quirke_folder wrote: »

t always confuses the yanks in their own country. They have four way stop sign junctions. The law states those who reach it first get the right of way but if two reach it at the same time the person on the right gets right of way. However, if both arrive at 6 and 12 then who gets to go. There is no provision in their ROTR for that. Stupid Yanks

It depends on the turn that they wish to make.

Supposing I am the driver arriving at 6 O'Clock and you are arriving at 12 O'Clock. (Bear in mind that it is the US). I wish to turn right and you also wish to turn left ( i.e my right). I would have right of way as I am not crossing the road but you are.

Now if I intend to turn left and you intend to turn right (i.e. my left) you would have priority as I would have to cross the road to get into the right lane, whereas it is on your side.

quirke_folder wrote: »

NOW, legally he had the right of way, however he indicated to me that he was exiting but did not and traversed the roundabout in the wrong lane

Although it's annoying, you would be 'in the wrong'. His indicator merely gives an intention, not a right of way. You should never begin a manoeuvre on the strength of an indicator light from another vehicle as you do not know if the indicator was activated by accident or left on by mistake.

Voodoomelon

Another new rule.

Do no park at a petrol pump unless you intend to use it. Once you have finished filling up and have paid, move out of the pump space promptly.

This silly b1tch the other day sat at the pump after filling up and paying the attendant, on the phone while 2 cars were waiting to take her place. I actually thought she was waiting for someone to come out of the shop, and it was only when I pulled up to a different pump did I realise she was on the phone. I had sat behind her for 3-4 minutes waiting, had pulled up to a different pump, filled up and paid and she was still on the phone with a queue of cars behind her. There was even a car facing her waiting to take her spot and she didn't budge. Ahhhhhh!

Berty

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Although it's annoying, you would be 'in the wrong'. His indicator merely gives an intention, not a right of way. You should never begin a manoeuvre on the strength of an indicator light from another vehicle as you do not know if the indicator was activated by accident or left on by mistake.

Agree its only an indication of intention. Its still annoying and as annoying as the ones who dont indicate at all when you think they are going past you so you wait and then they turn off just before you.

Tired. Need Sleep.

slimjimmc

I'd get them to clarify the confusion about overtaking on the left on motorways by defining exactly what circumstances it is permitted. The term "Slow moving queues" is way too vague, everyone has a different interpretation.

ninty9er

A minimum distance for indicating, 10m maybe. Nothing more annoying than some idiot putting on an indicate as they go around a corner.

ninty9er

Dyflin wrote: »

Compulsory to stop before entering a roundabout, stop the "ah sure I'll probably make it" brigade.

The amount of people who do this already is staggering, I'd rip all their licences up if I had the power.

If there's nothing on coming keep the fvck on moving

Fighting Irish

Cunning Alias wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Every near miss I have had is because of people not knowing what to do at roundabouts. My issue is "Using the proper lanes at roundabouts".

I always see people staying in the left lane as long as they feel like and earlier today I had a van (the international pricks of the road) go onto a roundabout at the same time as me (me in the left lane, him in the right) and then he forced his way in front of me to get off at the first exit.



You don't live in a city im guessing.

I think a big problem for some people is roundabouts with more than four exits. Firstly most roundabouts show arrows on the ground to tell you which lane but usually there right up by the roundabout so if its busy and you're not sure about which lane to get in, then you're ****ed. Also some roundabouts have them triangles painted on the ground when they should probably just paint the ****ing arrows so its easy for everyone to understand which lane they should be in

Fighting Irish

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Generally here is nothing wrong with our existing Rules of the Road. The problem is with obeying them and enforcing them!


The vehicle turning right (or left if it was here) must yield to pedestrians/pedestrian lights.

That's already in there! It is illegal to drive a vehicle on a public road with one operating headlight.

A couple of the things i posted are in the ROTR, i just want them highlighted a bit more

ninty9er

quirke_folder wrote: »

I was on the N/M7 today and my GF had to tell me to shut up because I kept saying "watch that fvcker, watch him/her" I gave up and undertook, I just dont care anymore when it comes to that road. The entire left lane I was in was empty. It was at least 2kms behind me emtpy of cars yet the middle lane was full.

I nearly always use the middle lane, but end up overtaking someone and not being able to get back in lane at Newlands Cross.:mad:

the_syco

Fighting Irish wrote: »

If you are driving and the person ahead of you keeps tapping their break. They are trying to tell you something.

That they're a complete plonker, and are trying to cause a crash? Overtaking is sometimes not an option (continuous line, etc).

I'd actually put in: "If you're driving at 30kmph, in a 100kmph zone with a continuous white line, and a car comes up behind you, go left a little, to allow them to pass you out".

It seems people driving tractors or big trucks all know this, but the plonkers in their small cars don't:mad:

Fighting Irish

the_syco wrote: »

That they're a complete plonker, and are trying to cause a crash? Overtaking is sometimes not an option (continuous line, etc).

I'd actually put in: "If you're driving at 30kmph, in a 100kmph zone with a continuous white line, and a car comes up behind you, go left a little, to allow them to pass you out".

It seems people driving tractors or big trucks all know this, but the plonkers in their small cars don't:mad:

I understand where you're coming from, but in some cases people people aren't interested in overtaking and some need a quick flash of the break/back fog lights to realise how close they're driving behind you