Attendance in GMIT?

donmeister

Okay this thread will probably be 'frowned upon' but why do the lecturers take the roll/attendance in a lecture? Its like school all over again.Was this always the case or is it a new thing being bought in?

Krieg

Been around for as long as I can remember and theres a couple of reasons for it

First of all, grants. In order to continue receiving your grant you must attend 25%+ lectures. If you don't, then bye bye grant

Second is compensation. I don't know how many courses in gmit have compensation but basically - Say you do your exams, you do very well in all subjects bar 2 which you failed at 35%-40% region, then you still pass. Because you did well in your other subjects, they will compensate you those 2. But thats as far as it goes, 2 subjects @ 35-40% and Attendance also weighs in on this. The decision to compensate a student is down to the lecturers decision in a meeting after the exams.

But to be honest, Ive seen many cases of guys showing up to feck all lectures and still get compensated.

donmeister

It's all starting to make sense now:pac:,thanks for the reply

experiMental

the other reason is, that if the people who are getting the grant are not attending on a regular basis, the grant-giving authority will be notified of this and their grants will be cancelled.

_CrimSon_

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

donmeister

_CrimSon_ wrote: »

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

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jenno86

_CrimSon_ wrote: »

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

Theres no need for that! What are 'univiersities' and what does 'axtra' mean?!:D:rolleyes:

_CrimSon_

_CrimSon_ wrote: »

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

Posted by a guy who can't even type in proper English. If you're the university type, I'm more than happy to be in GMIT.

Guy won't know what punctuation was if it hit him in the face. Bloody moron.

badabinbadaboom

_CrimSon_ wrote: »

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

And that my friends is a troll. Only 4 posts= Nothing to lose, ignore it.

Anyway Im thinking of going to GMIT in september as a pseudo mature student this roll call would piss me off after a while!!

ARGINITE

In the five years I was in GMIT as an undergrad I had to do a roll call about 6 or 7 times.

Do they take attendance in the larger classes, like say in the Business section when they would be 100+?

experiMental

Deleted User wrote: »

Do they take attendance in the larger classes, like say in the Business section when they would be 100+?

that would actually be hilarious, a 30 minute role call . Maybe some unis have Student ID scanners to compensate for this or something

dunie001

There are "sign in lists" that the lecturers pass round for you to sign...they don't actually call out names!!!

I was in GMIT for four years, I only went to about 46% of all my lectures (i had 15hrs of lectures a week). I spent most of my days in the photocopying room copying notes wondering if my hangover would ever go away.

I got 65% in my final exams...let's just say my lecturers were amazed i passed at all never mind get a 2-1...:eek:

Most students went to their dissertation supervisor fella once a week and got less than me in their dissertation...I went twice, once to tell him what I was doing it on, and the second time to get him to check over the final draft...i got 68%!!!:D

Don't spend your time in college worrying about attendance, studying and researching...go out on the town three times a week getting blind drunk, copy your classmates notes. Only go to lectures for the handouts that are too big to copy...and for god sake relax! you only get to go to college once in your life, make sure you've got something amazing to remember afterwords!:)

galwayguy22

dunie001 wrote: »

There are "sign in lists" that the lecturers pass round for you to sign...they don't actually call out names!!!

I was in GMIT for four years, I only went to about 46% of all my lectures (i had 15hrs of lectures a week). I spent most of my days in the photocopying room copying notes wondering if my hangover would ever go away.

I got 65% in my final exams...let's just say my lecturers were amazed i passed at all never mind get a 2-1...:eek:

Most students went to their dissertation supervisor fella once a week and got less than me in their dissertation...I went twice, once to tell him what I was doing it on, and the second time to get him to check over the final draft...i got 68%!!!:D

Don't spend your time in college worrying about attendance, studying and researching...go out on the town three times a week getting blind drunk, copy your classmates notes. Only go to lectures for the handouts that are too big to copy...and for god sake relax! you only get to go to college once in your life, make sure you've got something amazing to remember afterwords!:)

Jasus your one MAD WHOORE!!!!!

Progger

There is a ridiculous amount of absenteeism in colleges/universities these days. Coming from someone who diddn't have the opportunities these kids have I think it is absolutely shamefull. Only 25 percent of lectures to keep the grant??? I think it should be 90 percent.

tinabarina

_CrimSon_ wrote: »

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

As a current student at GMIT I have to agree the place is full of idiots of questionable intelligence.

dunie001

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

That's just ridiculous...no matter what university or I.T. you could visit, they will always have their fair share of dope heads, drop outs, hippies, geeks and drunkards. It's stupid to say that just because I.T.s have attendance that every single person who goes to I.T.s are therefore stupid.

And just because the 'university' has fancier looking buildings and has air of being 'old' and 'established' that the students attending them are any smarter than the ones across the road going to the I.T.

And at least the I.T.s have useful courses like "civil engineering" and business studies and mechanical engineering...whereas universities have ridiculous courses like Arts and Archeology and 'History of Art", which the students who attend such courses will have no other prospects in life other than living in treehouses reading books and drawing the dole for the rest of their lives...so there meh meh meh meh meh!:D;)

galwayguy22

tinabarina wrote: »

As a current student at GMIT I have to agree the place is full of idiots of questionable intelligence.

I think I said something similar to that in a different thread a while back.

It's amazing how these people manage to pass their exams and are still hanging around in third and fourth year.

40% for a pass is way too low. How can you be wrong 60%* of the time and still be considered good enough to progress?


* - because you have a choice in what questions you want to do, i.e. answer 4 out of 6, you are actually wrong roughly 75% of the time.

OneArt

dunie001 wrote: »

That's just ridiculous...no matter what university or I.T. you could visit, they will always have their fair share of dope heads, drop outs, hippies, geeks and drunkards. It's stupid to say that just because I.T.s have attendance that every single person who goes to I.T.s are therefore stupid.

And just because the 'university' has fancier looking buildings and has air of being 'old' and 'established' that the students attending them are any smarter than the ones across the road going to the I.T.

And at least the I.T.s have useful courses like "civil engineering" and business studies and mechanical engineering...whereas universities have ridiculous courses like Arts and Archeology and 'History of Art", which the students who attend such courses will have no other prospects in life other than living in treehouses reading books and drawing the dole for the rest of their lives...so there meh meh meh meh meh!:D;)

Just having a degree, no matter what in, from a prestigious university would be enough to land one a decent job. Having a degree in, for example, something like History of Art (which I'd personally find drab and boring anyway...) shows an employer you're able to take on the responsibilities to study, etc and acquire information. Well this IS according to guidance counselors, my aunt (who did Psychology and is now in HR) and parents. I could be wrong!

Furthermore its the very fact that universities are "established" that they're more trusted. ITs in Ireland (apart from DIT) are quite recent.

Not saying that ITs are useless, half of my choices are in ITs!

JohnG18

dunie001 wrote: »

That's just ridiculous...no matter what university or I.T. you could visit, they will always have their fair share of dope heads, drop outs, hippies, geeks and drunkards. It's stupid to say that just because I.T.s have attendance that every single person who goes to I.T.s are therefore stupid.

And just because the 'university' has fancier looking buildings and has air of being 'old' and 'established' that the students attending them are any smarter than the ones across the road going to the I.T.

And at least the I.T.s have useful courses like "civil engineering" and business studies and mechanical engineering...whereas universities have ridiculous courses like Arts and Archeology and 'History of Art", which the students who attend such courses will have no other prospects in life other than living in treehouses reading books and drawing the dole for the rest of their lives...so there meh meh meh meh meh!:D;)

That is kind of a gross generalisation about Arts. Study something like the History of Art would be needed to have a curators job in a museum. You are defending ITs but then putting down University's purely out of disregard which is hypocritical.

Krieg

Regarding Arts, a lot of employers today look at an arts degree as "Oh im a waster and don't know what I want to do with myself", its a horrible generalization but its there (And I kinda agree with it). I know a lot of people who did arts and many of whom I would consider wasters. The arts degree is still an important course as long as you plan to use it. I don't think its a good idea for anyone to do arts based on the idea that it will show you had the ability to attend lectures and study. If people are trying to use that ethic, then why not do a course that will make you more employable?

Regarding IT's vs Uni, well I think it depends on the course.
I completely agree that IT's are easier, but at the end of the day, its not about the exams being difficult, its what you learn. That said, the 4/6 question thing is a bit of a joke. Often each question will be based on a section (6 sections), therefore I only have to study 4 out 6 sections. What if the 2 sections I leave out are very important in the real world, obviously a student is going to pick the 4 sections that are easiest.

Im an engineer and did a work placement with a company who previously took on NUI students exclusively. Because I had much more practical skills, I stood out. Now the company seems to be exclusively hiring GMIT students for placements. So I think its shows that IT graduates can perform better than a uni grad (depending on the course).

Regarding absenteeism, yeah its a f***ing joke and it pisses me off.
The main reason it pisses me off is because while I bust my balls in college, some prick who does **** all gets the pass and it really feels like this guy is devaluing my qualification. If these people get the work, then they are going to show employers how little they know and leave the idea that all gmit graduates are morons.
I think every course in gmit have at least one Joe Gobshite who attends less than 10% of lectures, gets the notes before exams and passes. I wouldn't mind if "Joe" was really intelligent or trying to work a full time job at the same time as college, but the vast majority of these people aren't

If GMIT want to have a high standard of education, they should abolish the multiple choice questions in exams and remove those with low attendance and have no excuse.

the whole year inn

heard there is an arts factory just opened up.all the arts students should be ok.

GALWAYLAD777

Krieg wrote: »

Regarding Arts, a lot of employers today look at an arts degree as "Oh im a waster and don't know what I want to do with myself", its a horrible generalization but its there (And I kinda agree with it). I know a lot of people who did arts and many of whom I would consider wasters. The arts degree is still an important course as long as you plan to use it. I don't think its a good idea for anyone to do arts based on the idea that it will show you had the ability to attend lectures and study. If people are trying to use that ethic, then why not do a course that will make you more employable?

Regarding IT's vs Uni, well I think it depends on the course.
I completely agree that IT's are easier, but at the end of the day, its not about the exams being difficult, its what you learn. That said, the 4/6 question thing is a bit of a joke. Often each question will be based on a section (6 sections), therefore I only have to study 4 out 6 sections. What if the 2 sections I leave out are very important in the real world, obviously a student is going to pick the 4 sections that are easiest.

Im an engineer and did a work placement with a company who previously took on NUI students exclusively. Because I had much more practical skills, I stood out. Now the company seems to be exclusively hiring GMIT students for placements. So I think its shows that IT graduates can perform better than a uni grad (depending on the course).

Regarding absenteeism, yeah its a f***ing joke and it pisses me off.
The main reason it pisses me off is because while I bust my balls in college, some prick who does **** all gets the pass and it really feels like this guy is devaluing my qualification. If these people get the work, then they are going to show employers how little they know and leave the idea that all gmit graduates are morons.
I think every course in gmit have at least one Joe Gobshite who attends less than 10% of lectures, gets the notes before exams and passes. I wouldn't mind if "Joe" was really intelligent or trying to work a full time job at the same time as college, but the vast majority of these people aren't

If GMIT want to have a high standard of education, they should abolish the multiple choice questions in exams and remove those with low attendance and have no excuse.

Too true im afraid, I agree with you 100%. The lazy ****s just fly past the post at the end dont they. After wrecking everyone elses heads for notes. They usually end up getting higher grades than those that they COGGED the notes from too!!
Turning up to class without even a biro. After college the REAL WORLD beckons for some of them, unless "mammy and daddy" prop them up for another while. The lazy sleepy gombeens that pass themselves off as students in GMIT should wait a few years to go to college, and let people who really want to study and get on in life go instead of them. Im all for fun and parties and am well able to party, but when these ones arrive in, all they do is rant on about how f*cked they were last night, oh and how mad the night was. F*ck off back to Glasan or wherever and talk about it there. The rest of us are trying to get stuff done!!:D

xo.mary

dunie001 wrote: »

And at least the I.T.s have useful courses like "civil engineering" and business studies and mechanical engineering...whereas universities have ridiculous courses like Arts and Archeology and 'History of Art", which the students who attend such courses will have no other prospects in life other than living in treehouses reading books and drawing the dole for the rest of their lives...so there meh meh meh meh meh!:D;)

Wow, such ignorance.

Killer_banana

I haven't started in GMIT yet but there's no doubt in my mind that there's idiots like that in GMIT. However I also believe that there's idiots like that in NUIG and just about anywhere else you go in a developed country. Just be thankful that the leaving cert will have weeded the worst ones out.

As for ITs vs Unis there is no right or wrong answer. There are too many varying factors such as the course, the lecturer and most importantly the student. We all learn in different ways, from what I know ITs focus a lot more on practical training, which (depending on the job) employers like however if a student isn't a practical learner then it's not best for them and vice versa.

AlmightyCushion

_CrimSon_ wrote: »

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

Banned. Don't listen to trolls like this guys, just report it and ignore.

mink_man

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Banned. Don't listen to trolls like this guys, just report it and ignore.

he made that post 2 years ago, this forum is a bit of a joke tbh.

GT Tdi

_CrimSon_ wrote: »

some courses give marks towards attendance because I.Ts have more ppl of less intelligence than other higher univiersities so for these idiot ppl it provides axtra marks if they attend class.... I.E better chance to pass the year... but they still wont pass.... they will drop before they have exams . i know this sounds mean, but meh, MEH meh meh

There for a minute I thought this dopey ignoramus was serious and intelligent, how wrong I was. First of all the spelling and grammar is atrocious, secondly we are not a university and dont profess to be. They really cracked the ice when they gave you a brain. Mean to us? No, I think you have answered a question about yourself. Meh, meh, meh. :P:D:P

dafunk

Krieg wrote: »

Been around for as long as I can remember and theres a couple of reasons for it

First of all, grants. In order to continue receiving your grant you must attend 25%+ lectures. If you don't, then bye bye grant

Second is compensation. I don't know how many courses in gmit have compensation but basically - Say you do your exams, you do very well in all subjects bar 2 which you failed at 35%-40% region, then you still pass. Because you did well in your other subjects, they will compensate you those 2. But thats as far as it goes, 2 subjects @ 35-40% and Attendance also weighs in on this. The decision to compensate a student is down to the lecturers decision in a meeting after the exams.

But to be honest, Ive seen many cases of guys showing up to feck all lectures and still get compensated.

I know this is an old post but I don't think that you can pass by compensation anymore, to the best of my knowledge they've changes that system.

Other than the grants, my guess is that one of the reasons they take attendance is because for a lot of people poor attendance leads to poor marks and then poorer attendance and in some cases people drop out. If they drop out the place can't always get filled and so the college loses funding for that person, the same number of lecturers and facilites are still required even if there are fewer students so it costs them money from the course budget leaving those that have stayed with less available to them, like decent ingredients in the culinary courses or suffient equipment in the chemistry lab

Also, shocking as this might sound, perhaps they actually care about educating and teaching people and want people to do well to get a good start in life?

DannyKing

Hey everybody, been reading over this thread just now. I've a little problem with attendance. I've recently been accepted back into GMIT as a mature student but my problem is this. Due to the grant taking so long to even get confirmation that i've been deemed eligible, I have been unable to attend classes in 3 weeks. The longer I leave it the harder I'm afraid itll be to return.
I was thinking of trying to defer until next year when I can be more financially prepared. Bt to be honest I really don't want to do this. I've been looking forward for a long time on returning to education... Could anyone share some insight or advice on what route I should take. Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks.
Danny.

dafunk

Speak to your lecturers, they'll probably all say it's ok for you to attend while you're sorting out grants and registration.

PerrinV2

I echo what dafunk said,there's always a backlog with registration every year,just go in and explain it to each lecturer,most will just add your name to the attendance list until your registered

GT Tdi

DannyKing wrote: »

Hey everybody, been reading over this thread just now. I've a little problem with attendance. I've recently been accepted back into GMIT as a mature student but my problem is this. Due to the grant taking so long to even get confirmation that i've been deemed eligible, I have been unable to attend classes in 3 weeks. The longer I leave it the harder I'm afraid itll be to return.
I was thinking of trying to defer until next year when I can be more financially prepared. Bt to be honest I really don't want to do this. I've been looking forward for a long time on returning to education... Could anyone share some insight or advice on what route I should take. Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks.
Danny.

Danny,

I'd say either go to your course co-ordinator or head of department and explain the situation. We had a late registration last year because of placement and couldn't get our 'G' number password or registration sorted. The head of department sorted it out for us. Worth a try anyhow!!!