Lorna Byrne - False Prophet?

kelly1

Hello,

has anyone heard of Lorna Byrne who claims to be able to talk with God and the angels?

She appeared on the Late-late Show last Friday and her website is at http://www.lornabyrne.com

Personally I very skeptical of her claims and if she is indeed communicating with angels, they are probably of the fallen variety.

She has in subtle ways said that it doesn't matter to God which religion we practice and she never mentions Jesus.

From what I've seen of her writings and videos, she will lead souls away from Christ. Apparently she's quite popular, has been on a couple of prominent TV shows and her new book is on the best-sellers list.

God bless,
Noel.

EDIT: http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/20081107.html (Link for video).

Hivemind187

I doubt she is a false prophet mate.

Visual and auditory halucination coupled with ingratiation to her audience that would make a cold reader blush.

Either a schizoid or someone trying to make a quick buck.

mountainyman

Not a fraud she's made this claim for many years.

She is mad, being misled by the tempter or she is a true mystic like St Joan or Teresa of Avila or the little flower.

There is no reason why a mad person could not be misled by the tempter or in close communication with God.

kelly1

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Either a schizoid or someone trying to make a quick buck.

Whether she's really in contact with spirits or making it up, she's putting way to much emphasis on angels and none on Jesus (that I'm aware of). I find that very suspicious.

Nodin

It would require detailed analysis to determine whether shes delusional in some way, or in fact just a chancer. However, if she follows the line of her American counterparts and starts offering "retreats" to discover 'your personal angel', I think we can look toward the latter as the answer.

tunamill

I don't think she is a false prophet or delusion. I actually don't think she is a prophet at all. I believe that she has been given a wonderful gift, and when you hear her speak, she is quite clear that God has not, and will not, reveal everything to her. She may only have a message to remind us of our guardian angels. And I do believe her when she says that God does not abandon non-Christians and there are angels present with everyone.

I'm actually really shocked and impressed that she was welcomed on a venue like the Late Late Show, and given almost 20 minutes of air time!

kelly1

tunamill wrote: »

I don't think she is a false prophet or delusion. I actually don't think she is a prophet at all. I believe that she has been given a wonderful gift, and when you hear her speak, she is quite clear that God has not, and will not, reveal everything to her. She may only have a message to remind us of our guardian angels. And I do believe her when she says that God does not abandon non-Christians and there are angels present with everyone.

It's what she's not saying that concerns me. No mention of sin and the need for redemption and forgiveness. No mention of Jesus.

The most urgent message that God needs to communicate today is that people who don't repent of their sins could be facing hell and that we need to receive forgiveness through His Son.

If these angels were true angels, they would be urging us all to turn back to God, not the angels! Of course I believe in guardian angels and that they assist us but it's God that really matters.

Here are two quotes from her website:

"The earth is a living thing and controversial as this may sound, our planet has its own spirit, its own soul."

"The most important life purpose all of us have is to live each moment of our life to the full".

What about God!?

tunamill

kelly1 wrote: »

It's what she's not saying that concerns me. No mention of sin and the need for redemption and forgiveness. No mention of Jesus.

...

If these angels were true angels, they would be urging us all to turn back to God, not the angels! Of course I believe in guardian angels and that they assist us but it's God that really matters.

I understand where you are coming from. People should not be worshiping angels, but she does say they come from God. And, for the sake of argument, wouldn't you say that living your life to the full MUST include God? People cannot build a strong faith on angels. They are only there to lead us towards the Godly path.

kelly1 wrote: »

The most urgent message that God needs to communicate today is that people who don't repent of their sins could be facing hell and that we need to receive forgiveness through His Son.

Read the first part of your sentence. How do you know what God needs? How dare you tell God what He needs to do? Maybe all He needs is for a simple woman to share the gift of seeing God's angels at work.

(I am new to boards, and I don't know how to quote, so I hope I am using this right).

kelly1

tunamill wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from. People should not be worshiping angels, but she does say they come from God. And, for the sake of argument, wouldn't you say that living your life to the full MUST include God? People cannot build a strong faith on angels. They are only there to lead us towards the Godly path.

Yes life lived to the full must include God but I don't hear that message coming from her. Her message is more about angels than God. The angels prostrate themselves before God's majesty!

tunamill wrote: »

Read the first part of your sentence. How do you know what God needs? How dare you tell God what He needs to do? Maybe all He needs is for a simple woman to share the gift of seeing God's angels at work.

A bit presumptuous of me indeed! I was a bit wary of writing that but I'm fairly sure that what God wants to communicate to us that we are made to know, love and serve Him and that He loves us infinitely despite our sinfulness and wants to forgive us.

Doctor DooM

kelly1 wrote: »

Hello,

has anyone heard of Lorna Byrne who claims to be able to talk with God and the angels?

She appeared on the Late-late Show last Friday and her website is at http://www.lornabyrne.com

Personally I very skeptical of her claims and if she is indeed communicating with angels, they are probably of the fallen variety.

She has in subtle ways said that it doesn't matter to God which religion we practice and she never mentions Jesus.

From what I've seen of her writings and videos, she will lead souls away from Christ. Apparently she's quite popular, has been on a couple of prominent TV shows and her new book is on the best-sellers list.

God bless,
Noel.

EDIT: http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/20081107.html (Link for video).

Is it not more likely the lady is simply mentally unwell?

kelly1

SDooM wrote: »

Is it not more likely the lady is simply mentally unwell?

I don't think so. She seems quite compos mentis to me.

anonymous_joe

Lots of people seem Compos Mentis...

tunamill

In case anyone is interested, I came across a couple of interesting articles by Fr. William P. Saunders about angels and the Catholic faith here:

http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/williamsaunders/straightanswers/angels1.asp

and here:

http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/williamsaunders/straightanswers/angels2.asp

He reminds us that God created the angels before the rest of creation, that angels are directly involved in human affairs, and that the word "angelos" means "messenger" in Greek. One point he makes is that "Throughout sacred Scripture, the angels served as messengers of God, whether delivering an actual message of God's plan of salvation, rendering justice, or providing strength and comfort."

So Kelly, although your image of God's love and plan for salvation is entirely valid, Lorna may just be serving as a messenger reminding us of angelic messengers that God has given us, as a source of strength and comfort.

You are free to disagree with me, but it is thought-provoking.

studiorat

Must be true she has her own website and a book.
Which choir is the angel from who's visiting her anyway?

ukonline

She did say at the beginning of her interview, did she not, that she was diagnosed as 'retarded' as a child.

QED...

midlandsmissus

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tunamill

So we agree that she is retarded? Super. She seems pretty smart for a retard then.

Son_of_Belial

tunamill wrote: »

So we agree that she is retarded? Super. She seems pretty smart for a retard then.

In fairness to the woman, she was diagnosed as being "retarded" when she was a child - as a matter of fact she's actually dyslexic. Plenty of older people who are now recognised to be suffering from Dyslexia were branded slow or retarded in some way when they were younger.

As for her claims of being able to see angels etc., the fact that (her book aside) she's not profited from this thing is part proof of her sincerity to me. There are things out there beyond the physical realm or dimension or whatever (having come across such things personally more than once), and if there is a God, it's comforting to think that he/she/it's kind of keeping an eye on things down here? As for not mentioning Jesus that's an important factor (if she's legit) - my personal belief (and having looked into reams and reams of literature and texts etc.) is that while it appears that Jesus may indeed have been a human man, and did exist, he is a product of sixty to a hundred years of hype and borrowed stories from other beliefs such as the Cult of Mithras etc. Add 2,000 years to that, the growing power of the Church and the suppression of the Gnostic Gospels which seem to be the most "faithful" versions of the life of Jesus, and you get a clearer picture. Sure he was a great man - he may have indeed existed. Was he devine? Was he the Son of God? No. These attributes were voted in by the Nicene Council for heaven's sake. If we assume that what she sees is real and she's not delusional or suffering from synaesthesia, it stands to reason then (according to my own weltenschauung at least) that she wouldn't mention the existence/influence of Jesus in his current form as represented by the Christian Churches...

blacklawlessd

What bothers me most is how much human beings suspend their faculties.

I believe in God, I dont believe that the Catholic Church has a monopoly on him. The bible is the most edited book ever. We know little about the people who wrote each of the individual books that make it up, or more importantly why. We are each given a fine brain and we should use it to evaluate the information that we are given. If we don't use it then we are duped easily. Blinding unquestioning faith has to be tempered by our God given intellect. The repercussions of not using it can be horrific - Think back to the Nazi's when God fearing Germans put their faith in a man responsible for the deaths of millions.

I believe the Catholic Church is built on lies, and to blindly follow a book such as the bible makes as much sense as blindly following the Beano. Lorna Byrne is a fake and to blindly accept what she says means that you are switching off your brain again.
If you want to get close to God, use the fine brain that he gave each of you

Watch the zeitgeist documentary at http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ and see how easily we humans are duped.

Fanny Cradock

I like it! You say that the bible is the most heavily edited book ever - quite a claim - but provide no evidence to back it up. The only link you provide is for the laughably flawed Zeitgeist Movie and then accuse Christian at large of "suspending their faculties". Tell me, have you actually looked at the claims made by Zeitgeist? Or was it so spectacular that there is no need to investigate further?

kelly1

Son_of_Belial wrote: »

Was he devine [sic]? Was he the Son of God? No. These attributes were voted in by the Nicene Council for heaven's sake.

Hello, I suggest you educate yourself on what happened at Nicaea. The divinity of Christ wasn't invented at the council. Among other reasons it was convened to quash the Arian heresy and establish that the Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son and not just the Father.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

The Early Church Father also believed in the divinity of Christ. See http://www.catholic.com/library/Divinity_of_Christ.asp

Why don't you check the original Greek in John 8:58 ("Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am")?

prinz

blacklawlessd wrote: »

I believe the Catholic Church is built on lies, and to blindly follow a book such as the bible makes as much sense as blindly following the Beano. .

What lies would they be? From what I can see the Catholic Church is actually one of the denominations which 'blindly' follows the Bible the least. There are a lot more Christian denominations which take a literal approach to every single word of the Bible, whereas I find Catholic theologians to be far more open to interpretation and analysis.

As for anyone 'blindly' following the Bible that's just incorrect. That's not what it is about. A wise man once wrote 'I once was blind but now I see' and he knew what he was talking about.

Also as regards 'God fearing Germans putting their faith in Hitler'..... you forget to note that some of the Nazis' first targets to grace the concentrations camps and death camps were the men of God who knew evil when they saw it, and paid the ultimate price for speaking out. I know from personal experience particularly in the Rhineland, a religious stronghold in Germany, that many many priests, ministers, pastors, reverends disappeared, were executed and many also were sent to the front in penal battallions.What happened in Germany is what always happens when the moral voice of the people is silenced.

blacklawlessd

Well for a start, how many versions of the bible are there? Almost 50
German Luther Bible, the King James Bible, Marcionite bible, hebrew, the "new" international version, Holman Christian Standard, Higaynon bible....

Many versions, many translations, edited by many different points of view

My point on Zeitgeist is this - people all to often dont think enough about the information they are given. I suggested people watch zeitgeist as an example of how humans are easily duped, and within 10 minutes I get a reply about evidence. You took a standpoint on zeitgeist, and assumed it was in opposition to mine. I have no opinion on that film, other than that it is very interesting to read people's response to it.

Lorna Byrne and her ilk prey on people. You could be charitable and say that she just wants to give people hope. Christina Gallagher and her house of prayer are another example - having conned people out of money both here and in the US

Fanny Cradock

blacklawlessd wrote: »

Well for a start, how many versions of the bible are there? Almost 50
German Luther Bible, the King James Bible, Marcionite bible, hebrew, the "new" international version, Holman Christian Standard, Higaynon bible....

Many versions, many translations, edited by many different points of view

There are actually considerably more than 50 translations of the Bible. Do you suppose that the French should Learn the King's English so as they can best understand the King James Bible? Indeed, should we all have to learn Greek?

You are making an assumption that because something is translated, a process that can never exactly reflect the original, we are somehow losing something of worth. You are welcome to try and argue this. Fortunately we have a wealth of copies of the NT in Greek as well as numerous fragments and NT passages discussed by the early church fathers, so your task is made that bit easier. Though I must warn you that you will be travelling down a well trodden road.

blacklawlessd wrote: »

My point on Zeitgeist is this - people all to often dont think enough about the information they are given. I suggested people watch zeitgeist as an example of how humans are easily duped, and within 10 minutes I get a reply about evidence. You took a standpoint on zeitgeist, and assumed it was in opposition to mine. I have no opinion on that film, other than that it is very interesting to read people's response to it.

You either think that the Zeitgeist Movie is an example of something that is flawed and too easily accepted as truth, or you think that the claims within are true and we Christians accept what we are told all too readily. From your rather ambiguous posts your intention remains unclear, but the tone of your initial post suggests it's the latter. Maybe you can clear this up?

If you are simply looking for opinions of the Zeitgeist Movie then here is mine. It contains just about enough truth to hold all the lies, inaccuracies and spin together. It well edited, looks slick and seems plausible because of this. However, investigate the claims a little deeper, and it begins to fall apart as a credible source of critical analysis.

Do a search under the word Zeitgeist on this forum to see a plethora of threads discussing the film.

homer911

A few references to Angels and Guardian Angels:

http://www.gotquestions.org/guardian-angels.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/angels-Bible.html

Slav

kelly1 wrote: »

Hello, I suggest you educate yourself on what happened at Nicaea. The divinity of Christ wasn't invented at the council. Among other reasons it was convened to quash the Arian heresy and establish that the Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son and not just the Father.

No, you are mistaken here. The controversial filioque clause is a sixth century addition by the Third Council of Toledo (which was not an ecumenical council by the way)

Phototoxin

Whether she's really in contact with spirits or making it up, she's putting way to much emphasis on angels and none on Jesus (that I'm aware of). I find that very suspicious.

Do the padrae pio test. Tell her to bow down and worship God.

wolfsbane

From the quotes of her provided here, the answer to the OP question Lorna Byrne - False Prophet? must be YES.

To qualify for the title one must give false prophecies/revelations. A false prophet might say many true things, but issuing any false prophecy/revelation is a sure sign the person is not from God.

Some false prophets are just good liars, in it for the money/power. Others may well have contact with the demons and so have some hidden knowledge on tap. They may exploit that ability for gain, or they may be happy with the prestige.

Compak

kelly1 wrote: »

Hello,

has anyone heard of Lorna Byrne who claims to be able to talk with God and the angels?

She appeared on the Late-late Show last Friday and her website is at http://www.lornabyrne.com

Personally I very skeptical of her claims and if she is indeed communicating with angels, they are probably of the fallen variety.

She has in subtle ways said that it doesn't matter to God which religion we practice and she never mentions Jesus.

From what I've seen of her writings and videos, she will lead souls away from Christ. Apparently she's quite popular, has been on a couple of prominent TV shows and her new book is on the best-sellers list.

God bless,
Noel.

EDIT: http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/20081107.html (Link for video).

Why instead of asking others dont you go to the source. Pray to God about her. When I ask God all I see is blackness. I personally will be staying fully away and not listening.

If it turns out my discerning is wrong Im sure God will still guide me right in life.

Underbadger

this witch is almost certainly demon possessed up to her eyeballs

the original poster was correct she is summoning demons and unclean spirits ( fallen angels etc)

the bible says that God says to his people (Israel) in the old testament..

“When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire (an ancient occult practice, they used to sacrifice children to baal in carthage etc, note how this witch Lorna byrne speaks of the "power of children" on her website), or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord”

Deuteronomy 18:9-12


acts chapter 16 adds new testament reinforcement to what should be common sense to any Christian... don't engage with or pray to anything but the lord God, Jesus Christ and the holy spirit! That includes catholic false Idols such as Mary (who was a sinner) or some saint or statue.

ms Byrne says on her website...

"Your Angel is there all the time, waiting and hoping for you to start to listen to him. Angels have, in fact, been touching you all along"


shes not entirely wrong! demons are everywhere in fact they cluster around and test ( as much as they are permitted by the holy spirit who resides in side every Christian) gods children. They can only gain real foothold if you ask them to!!!

I any one of you who read this feel a spiritual voice in your life which you suspect, then test what its says against the bible, the devil will flee if you confront him with gods word, he will only prosper if you co operate with his /your real sinful agenda.

kelly1

Underbadger wrote: »

this witch is almost certainly demon possessed up to her eyeballs

Subtle as ever!

Underbadger wrote: »

acts chapter 16 adds new testament reinforcement to what should be common sense to any Christian... don't engage with or pray to anything but the lord God, Jesus Christ and the holy spirit! That includes catholic false Idols such as Mary (who was a sinner) or some saint or statue.

Really? Can you quote the verse(s)?

homer911

Based solely on her website I would say stay well clear.

Only one reference to christian and one reference to Jesus on the entire site. The focus seems to be all "Me! Me!"

She also states our life purpose as "The most important life purpose all of us have is to live each moment of our life to the full" - Doesnt really equate to my understanding of Life's purpose - to love the Lord God

No, definitely not a Christian message

While I wouldnt go so far as to call the woman a witch, anyone who diverts people from the path of righteousness is not exactly a saint!

Phototoxin

underbadger your bible says 'suffer not a witch to live'

and also 'thou shallt not kill'

however as the new testament overides the older ones go ahead and assassinate her.

PierreN14

hello,

Im 31 yrs old and have been living in a Benedictine monastery in north london since September 2006.

I first met Lorna Byrne in March 2006. I met her twice in that month and havent met her since.

I was talking to my friend in Cork regarding some big decisions I needed to make. She suggested going to meet her friend, Lorna. Needless to say I was sceptical. I went anyway.

Upon arrival at her house, I met a small, warm and sincere person. We sat down and I told her of my sense of being called to the church but not knowing where to go from there. To cut a long story short, she gave me a great big hand in finding my calling. Everything she said has come true. Okay, maybe shes just psychic! But she has directed me to the church, talked so much of Jesus's love for me and encouraged me that the church is good and strong.

though i did give her a little, she never asked for money. I sat with her for hours. I am a very sceptical person but she is the genuine article.

When she talks of us becoming the full person we are meant to be, she means a holy person, in union with the Trinity through Christ, Wholly alive.


My words are accountable to God, whom I love.

O'Coonassa

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I like it! You say that the bible is the most heavily edited book ever - quite a claim - but provide no evidence to back it up.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=475017379969914449

Underbadger

PierreN14 wrote: »

hello,

Im 31 yrs old and have been living in a Benedictine monastery in north london since September 2006.

I first met Lorna Byrne in March 2006. I met her twice in that month and havent met her since.

I was talking to my friend in Cork regarding some big decisions I needed to make. She suggested going to meet her friend, Lorna. Needless to say I was sceptical. I went anyway.

Upon arrival at her house, I met a small, warm and sincere person. We sat down and I told her of my sense of being called to the church but not knowing where to go from there. To cut a long story short, she gave me a great big hand in finding my calling. Everything she said has come true. Okay, maybe shes just psychic! But she has directed me to the church, talked so much of Jesus's love for me and encouraged me that the church is good and strong.

though i did give her a little, she never asked for money. I sat with her for hours. I am a very sceptical person but she is the genuine article.

When she talks of us becoming the full person we are meant to be, she means a holy person, in union with the Trinity through Christ, Wholly alive.


My words are accountable to God, whom I love.

2 Kings

17:16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.

17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.


while you may have been a member of a Benedictine order, catholic heretics have long perverted the word of god in concert with the spirits of anti Christ Paul told us would infect the church in thessalonians.


READ THE BIBLE!

1 Corinthians 10

20. But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?



Paul is telling us straight that other religions are of the devil and worship demons.


Discard all of the false lies the witch Lorna Byrne (knowing or unknowing) has fed you , embrace Christ through his word on this earth ( the bible) not some happy go lucky, quick fix, satanic, its aright, lie.

all the truths you don't want to face, but should, are in the bible.

pray to god, ask his forgiveness and your eyes shall be open!!!

O'Coonassa

Underbadger wrote: »

catholic heretics have long perverted the word of god in concert with the spirits of anti Christ

Aren't Catholics the very people who were in charge of compiling the NT?...Hmmmm...

Underbadger

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Aren't Catholics the very people who were in charge of compiling the NT?...Hmmmm...

no the holy spirit complied the new testament, the catholic church tried to suppress gods word and keep it from from the masses by keeping it only in latin and making it 'illegal' to own a bible.

O'Coonassa

Underbadger wrote: »

no the holy spirit complied the new testament, the catholic church tried to suppress gods word and keep it from from the masses by keeping it only in latin and making it 'illegal' to own a bible.

But the NT wasn't compiled until the Catholic Church was in full swing in the late 300's? How is it you think these people were full of the Holy Spirit in one instance and yet so clearly not full of the Holy Spirit in another? Seems odd.

kelly1

PierreN14 wrote: »

hello,

Im 31 yrs old and have been living in a Benedictine monastery in north london since September 2006.

I first met Lorna Byrne in March 2006. I met her twice in that month and havent met her since.

I was talking to my friend in Cork regarding some big decisions I needed to make. She suggested going to meet her friend, Lorna. Needless to say I was sceptical. I went anyway.

Upon arrival at her house, I met a small, warm and sincere person. We sat down and I told her of my sense of being called to the church but not knowing where to go from there. To cut a long story short, she gave me a great big hand in finding my calling. Everything she said has come true. Okay, maybe shes just psychic! But she has directed me to the church, talked so much of Jesus's love for me and encouraged me that the church is good and strong.

though i did give her a little, she never asked for money. I sat with her for hours. I am a very sceptical person but she is the genuine article.

When she talks of us becoming the full person we are meant to be, she means a holy person, in union with the Trinity through Christ, Wholly alive.


My words are accountable to God, whom I love.

That's interesting Pierre, thanks for sharing. She talked to you about Jesus but I remember when she appeared on the Late Late Show, she never mentioned His name. Neither does her website.

The quote below is taken from her website:

"The earth is a living thing and controversial as this may sound, our planet has its own spirit, its own soul."

Where did she get that from!? I could be wrong and I hope I am, but it looks to me like she's speading a false gospel. Any message coming from God would emphasise Jesus and not angels.

meathwhiskey

ukonline wrote: »

She did say at the beginning of her interview, did she not, that she was diagnosed as 'retarded' as a child.

QED...

People, in a search for lorna byrne to make contact i came across this tread/forum and i have to say i am disappointed. alot of people are saying mean stuff. have these people read the book????? i personally have grown up around spiritual people (not as connected as Lorna) and trust me they do exist. i was so sceptical when i first met these people but as time went on i opened my mind.

just read the book and make up your own INFORMED mind. then move on! in the book she talks alot about God and the Angels being messengers of his/her word. Lorna also says in the book that no matter what God accepts true forgiveness. that he/she wants people to live a happy joyous life that does not harm people.

Lorna also does not quote Jesus because Jesus belongs to Cathloics etc.... Lorna speaks about all religions looking towards the same god.

Anyhow. i did not mean to go but, some of you people are claiming that she is a false prophet or following a fallen angel. do not judge unless you are absolutely sure you are GOD him/herself.

okay, i'm done.

meathwhiskey

PierreN14 wrote: »

hello,

Im 31 yrs old and have been living in a Benedictine monastery in north london since September 2006.

I first met Lorna Byrne in March 2006. I met her twice in that month and havent met her since.

I was talking to my friend in Cork regarding some big decisions I needed to make. She suggested going to meet her friend, Lorna. Needless to say I was sceptical. I went anyway.

Upon arrival at her house, I met a small, warm and sincere person. We sat down and I told her of my sense of being called to the church but not knowing where to go from there. To cut a long story short, she gave me a great big hand in finding my calling. Everything she said has come true. Okay, maybe shes just psychic! But she has directed me to the church, talked so much of Jesus's love for me and encouraged me that the church is good and strong.

though i did give her a little, she never asked for money. I sat with her for hours. I am a very sceptical person but she is the genuine article.

When she talks of us becoming the full person we are meant to be, she means a holy person, in union with the Trinity through Christ, Wholly alive.


My words are accountable to God, whom I love.

Pierrre, i am glad to see someone with an open mind. i have a few questions that i need to ask so that i can help my family. could you pass on a way to contact Lorna?

prinz

Underbadger wrote: »

acts chapter 16 adds new testament reinforcement to what should be common sense to any Christian... don't engage with or pray to anything but the lord God, Jesus Christ and the holy spirit! That includes catholic false Idols such as Mary (who was a sinner) or some saint or statue.

Last time I heard something like that it was connected to mindless vandalism and destruction of statues (ballinspittle etc). I think you have more in common with the Taliban than most Christians tbh.

PDN

meathwhiskey wrote: »

Lorna also does not quote Jesus because Jesus belongs to Cathloics etc....

While some Catholics belong to Jesus, I'm pretty sure Jesus doesn't belong to Catholics.

Lorna speaks about all religions looking towards the same god.

And since different religions teach totally contradictory things about God, that in itself is reason enough for me to reject Lorna's teachings.

homer911

meathwhiskey wrote: »

Lorna also does not quote Jesus because Jesus belongs to Cathloics etc.... Lorna speaks about all religions looking towards the same god.

Jesus came for the whole world, not just for "Catholics"

There is only one God, but there are many gods. There is only one way to the father, through Jesus Christ. Anyone who talks like Lorna Byrne has got to be very suspect, and is not following Biblical teaching

prinz

What makes me most suspect is that Lorna is doing what she does IMO more for the financial rewards/book deals etc, and less for the betterment of her fellow humans.

Her basic message to me is rather harmless enough, however unorthodox it is, I have always had a lot of time for the role of guardian angels and angels in general, but I don't like the idea out of making a money-spinner preying on people's emotions, through visions, communication with other worldly beings, or prophecy.

kelly1

meathwhiskey wrote: »

Lorna also does not quote Jesus because Jesus belongs to Cathloics etc.... Lorna speaks about all religions looking towards the same god.

It because of the very fact that Lorna doesn't mention Jesus, that I'm highly suspicious of her. Angels are of course important because they help and defend us but angels can't save our souls. Only Jesus can do that so I find it very strange that Lorna doesn't point us towards Jesus our Lord and Saviour.

Scripture says that a the devil can appear as an angel of light and also talks about wolves in sheep's clothing. I'm not saying that Lorna is evil but I think she is most probably being misled and doing the same to others. The spiritual life is a minefield and we need to be able to recognize the signs of false prophets.

Seoid

As far as I can tell from scriptures, angels, when they interact with us, are ONLY MESSENGERS from God (it's what the word means). As such they always point towards God or give messages from God but I get the impression from Lorna Byrne and other angel followers that God is an afterthought.
Any "angel" acting autonomously or communicating their own messages is suspicious to me, regardless of what they are saying and how 'good' their message feels.

As to whether people like Lorna Byne are making stuff up, hallucinating or genuinely communicating with spirits - I don't know but my feeling is that if they are genuine spirits then they're not from God because they distract people from God. Possibly she does have a gift to see angels and demons (or whatever you call them) are manipulating this gift.

I know that Catholics pray to saints and angels but my understanding is that they are (or should be theologically) praying to the saints/angels only to act as intermediary to God not as powers in their own right.

kelly1

Seoid wrote: »

I know that Catholics pray to saints and angels but my understanding is that they are (or should be theologically) praying to the saints/angels only to act as intermediary to God not as powers in their own right.

Yes, absolutely. All power and good is from God. We ask Mary, the saints and angels to intercede for us. We believe that God never refuses the petitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary but she would never ask for something contrary to God's will.

meathwhiskey

yes this is true about jesus, he is for everyone. and everyone is entitled to their opinion - no problem. but is there harm in a person giving people some hope in terrible circumstances? it is not as if she is bating her ideas into everyone. she does not do what other mediums/psychics do or say e.g. your are going to come into alot of money or you're going to have a baby by next year! know what i mean?

anyhow, all the best people.

ScumLord

kelly1 wrote: »

The spiritual life is a minefield and we need to be able to recognize the signs of false prophets.

How would you go about doing that?