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MA and Boxing Hand Wraps for training

  • 12-11-2008 2:45pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭


    I have never wrapped my hands for training. I have always thought, similar to Weightifting gloves and Wraps, that it would weaken my hands rather than make them stronger. Can anyone explain to me why i should wrap my hands?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    they give you wrist support and stop your knuckles cutting up, they dont weaken your hands!

    if you plan on doing lots of punching you should use them..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    When lifting weights,grip strength is the ultimate limiting factor and wraps allow you to go further.

    I didnt mean make your hands weaker, i should have said, do they compensate for bad technique by giving your wrist extra support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    cowzerp wrote: »
    they give you wrist support and stop your knuckles cutting up, they dont weaken your hands!

    if you plan on doing lots of punching you should use them..

    Hi Paul. Why would one wear wraps as opposed to just bag/sparring gloves? Surely a good pair of gloves would offer the same support and protection. I don't think I've ever met anyone in the various clubs I've trained in who actively uses wraps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Killme00 wrote: »
    When lifting weights,grip strength is the ultimate limiting factor and wraps allow you to go further.

    .


    I take it your talking about pulls, ie rows & deadlifts. If your not using wraps while doing these your truely selling yourself short because your lifts will be limit by your grip strenght and not by the strenght of the major muscles your training to train.

    Regards wrapping your knuckles for hitting the bag, focus pads and sparring. Its a no brainer, wraps won't weaken your hands but training without wraps or gloves which are too light will (I have no doubt about it) severely damage the joints in your hands over time.

    Of course some people hit the bag harder than others and need heavier gloves, the lighter weights won't be hitting as hard but they'll be hitting more frequency - so everyone IMO should wrap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Mairt wrote: »
    I take it your talking about pulls, ie rows & deadlifts. If your not using wraps while doing these your truely selling yourself short because your lifts will be limit by your grip strenght and not by the strenght of the major muscles your training to train.

    Regards wrapping your knuckles for hitting the bag, focus pads and sparring. Its a no brainer, wraps won't weaken your hands but training without wraps or gloves which are too light will (I have no doubt about it) severely damage the joints in your hands over time.

    Of course some people hit the bag harder than others and need heavier gloves, the lighter weights won't be hitting as hard but they'll be hitting more frequency - so everyone IMO should wrap.


    I use gloves for pad work, bag work and sparring but have never wrapped. Do i need to wrap as well?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    Killme00 wrote: »
    I use gloves for pad work, bag work and sparring but have never wrapped. Do i need to wrap as well?

    I'll admit I know nothing about wrapping. I have never wrapped and as far as I know none of the people I train with have either. I also don't feel I need to. I don't hit bags anywhere near as hard as I could. I work mainly on bags for speed, accuracy and proper technique - power will come later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    I don't think I've ever met anyone in the various clubs I've trained in who actively uses wraps.

    Jesus. That's fairly shocking. I absolutely would not hit a bag or pads without wrapping my hands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Killme00 wrote: »
    I use gloves for pad work, bag work and sparring but have never wrapped. Do i need to wrap as well?


    Well I think you should, yes.

    It'll just take a few minutes, and when you get used to it you'll appricate the extra comfort and support.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Wrap. If you're hitting objects hard on a regular basis and
    a) you want to hit harder
    b) you don't want to have the wrists of an 80 year old in 5 years time
    then wrap.
    similar to Weightifting gloves and Wraps, that it would weaken my hands rather than make them stronger
    straps for lifting make you stronger, in a manner of speaking, gloves for lifting make you more attractive to the same sex.

    What would weaken your hands more: wrapping them before you punched, or repeatedly banging them off an object, maybe 500 times a night?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Hi Paul. Why would one wear wraps as opposed to just bag/sparring gloves? Surely a good pair of gloves would offer the same support and protection. I don't think I've ever met anyone in the various clubs I've trained in who actively uses wraps.

    If your hitting a heavy bag hundreds and possibly thousands of times there is a high chance of throwing a poor tecnique punch meaning you could seriously damage your hand, the other thing is power in your punches-if you punch with proper tecnique your power should be well above the average martial artist, again highering your risk of spraining a finger, your wrist etc..

    and im my own case, my knuckles rip to bits even with the bandages and gloves on if i havent punched in a week or 2-maybe its the moisturising creams i use!

    as a fighter you cant afford to miss weeks of trining due to a pointless injury that could of been prevented..

    Bandages are necessary unless you punch like a softie or dont mind been injured needlessly imo..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Thanks for the responses. Just gotta learn how to do it now!

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    I should get some wraps, I hurt my wrists occasionally when punching my punchbag. This thread is very informative for an amateur such as myself:).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    As I said I don't know anything about wrapping. So I'll ask again - would a good pair of bag/sparring gloves not offer adequate support and protection?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    As I said I don't know anything about wrapping. So I'll ask again - would a good pair of bag/sparring gloves not offer adequate support and protection?

    No.

    And one more thing, 'bag glaves' - I swear to god who ever thought those things were a good idea needs to be shot with his own sh*t.

    If your using bag mitts (as most ppl call them), bin them, burn them, send 'em into space - do whatever but don't use them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    Mairt wrote: »
    No.

    And one more thing, 'bag glaves' - I swear to god who ever thought those things were a good idea needs to be shot with his own sh*t.

    If your using bag mitts (as most ppl call them), bin them, burn them, send 'em into space - do whatever but don't use them.

    I don't use bag mitts. I have a pair of cheap MMA gloves that I use to hit the bag and they do the job, though it seems people here do a lot more bag work than I do.

    Thanks for the info everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Jason Mc


    The pro's are using them for a reason


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    Everyone I know who boxes wraps their hands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Bag gloves are grand except they shouldn't be called bag gloves! Pad gloves more like. I don't hit a heavy bag with anything less than 10ozers on me. For pads I use bag gloves and I reccommend to my guys that they do too for the bit of grappling and also big gloves can mask some bad technique in beginners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Bujinkan


    Try this attachment. Have scanned it from my boxing days!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Bujinkan wrote: »
    Try this attachment. Have scanned it from my boxing days!

    Thanks for that. I will try it and see how it feels. One thing though, it doesnt show any wraps between the fingers which i have seen some people do?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Mairt wrote: »
    I take it your talking about pulls, ie rows & deadlifts. If your not using wraps while doing these your truely selling yourself short because your lifts will be limit by your grip strenght and not by the strenght of the major muscles your training to train.

    Would it not be better then to do these without wraps so as to increase your grip strength?
    cowzerp wrote:
    If your hitting a heavy bag hundreds and possibly thousands of times there is a high chance of throwing a poor tecnique punch meaning you could seriously damage your hand,

    But what if (hypothetically) the only reason you aren't damaging your hand is because the wraps are taking up the slack, so to speak, of your not-quite-perfect technique? What happens if you get into a situation where you need to punch something repeatedly and you have no wraps to keep your wrists together for you? If you don't ever train without wraps, will your wrist hold together properly without the support?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Bujinkan


    Killme00 wrote: »
    Thanks for that. I will try it and see how it feels. One thing though, it doesnt show any wraps between the fingers which i have seen some people do?

    This is how we where shown to wrap our hands for bag work. I'll try to find the notes for wrapping your hands for fights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭Sean Quagmire


    this is the best and safest way to wraps ur hands. everlast wraps are too short. 'fite rite' wraps will work fine for this..

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iMmEVQrAVjk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Would it not be better then to do these without wraps so as to increase your grip strength?


    But what if (hypothetically) the only reason you aren't damaging your hand is because the wraps are taking up the slack, so to speak, of your not-quite-perfect technique? What happens if you get into a situation where you need to punch something repeatedly and you have no wraps to keep your wrists together for you? If you don't ever train without wraps, will your wrist hold together properly without the support?

    My technigue is fine thanks mark, i'm training to fight with my hands wrapped not for on the street so dont know what your on about! even the best boxers will hit wrong sometimes, why risk it in training? They dont make you use bad technique, they just support you for when you do, which will happen sometimes. unfortunately.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Would it not be better then to do these without wraps so as to increase your grip strength?



    You know what John Wayne said about drinking whiskey and water?...

    "When I drink whiskey I drink whiskey, when I drink water I drink water. I never drink them together"..

    When train your back only to fail because your grip strenght fails you?.

    What I'm saying is for grip strenght, train grip strengh. For back training... you get the picture I'm sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    But what if (hypothetically) the only reason you aren't damaging your hand is because the wraps are taking up the slack, so to speak, of your not-quite-perfect technique?


    Would you jog in your bare feet?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    Mairt wrote: »
    Would you jog in your bare feet?.

    LOL. A lot of Karate-ka, and I'd imagine people from other styles, actually do jog barefoot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Leo?


    this is the best and safest way to wraps ur hands. everlast wraps are too short. 'fite rite' wraps will work fine for this..

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=iMmEVQrAVjk

    I use this method, except I create the pad by wrapping around my fingers a few times then sliding it off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭j walsh


    As I said I don't know anything about wrapping. So I'll ask again - would a good pair of bag/sparring gloves not offer adequate support and protection?

    Absolutely not, i,ve over 20 years experience in training and teaching in kickboxing, boxing and muay thai gyms and i,ve never seen anyone train regularly without wraps, and you should use boxing gloves not bag mitts , mitts are too light and easy to hold your hands even when tired , get used to holding your hands up with 12 or 14 oz gloves when tired and this should will help your guard.there's no real support for the wrists with bag mitts and when you get tired and your throwing hooks when your form is bad you'll damage them badly,boxing gloves have proper support there.

    On wrapping your hands its not rocket science just spread your fingers,
    start at the wrist and depending whether you have 3 metre or 5 metre wraps ( i prefer 5 metre)wrap a few times around then move upto your knuckles and a few times around them aswell , remember not to tight either, then go back around your thumb and back up in between each finger starting with your index finger, then back around your knuckles some more leaving a bit for back around your wrist to finish off with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    cowzerp wrote: »
    My technigue is fine thanks mark, i'm training to fight with my hands wrapped not for on the street so dont know what your on about! even the best boxers will hit wrong sometimes, why risk it in training? They dont make you use bad technique, they just support you for when you do, which will happen sometimes. unfortunately.

    I wasnt trying to imply anything about you technique at all, I was only asking in a hypothetical sense. It just seems to me, that even if someone where to start off every training session with perfect technique, they would be more inclined to let the technique slip over time because they have the wraps to protect their hands when they do. Okay, you don't need to train all the time without wraps, but I would think it useful to be able to do a training session without relying on them to keep your hands safe.
    Mairt wrote:
    You know what John Wayne said about drinking whiskey and water?...

    "When I drink whiskey I drink whiskey, when I drink water I drink water. I never drink them together"..

    When train your back only to fail because your grip strenght fails you?.

    What I'm saying is for grip strenght, train grip strengh. For back training... you get the picture I'm sure.

    Ok, yeah sure, dont use exercises made for strengthening your back to strengthen your grip. So then why not just strengthen your grip strength in line with your back? Why have your back strength be almost useless because your grip strength cant keep up?
    Mairt wrote:
    Would you jog in your bare feet?.

    Depends on why I was jogging. If I was to jog bare foot, it would hurt at first, but eventually my feet would toughen up to it, and beyond blisters and calusses on my souls, their wouldn't be much damage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    I wasnt trying to imply anything about you technique at all, I was only asking in a hypothetical sense. It just seems to me, that even if someone where to start off every training session with perfect technique, they would be more inclined to let the technique slip over time because they have the wraps to protect their hands when they do. Okay, you don't need to train all the time without wraps, but I would think it useful to be able to do a training session without relying on them to keep your hands safe.
    Maybe once in a while for a change. But I think the hazards would outweigh the benefits. Someone in a boxing or thai gym should be able to hit awful hard after a while and even if they strike wih perfect technique, they may well damage their hands.
    Ok, yeah sure, dont use exercises made for strengthening your back to strengthen your grip. So then why not just strengthen your grip strength in line with your back? Why have your back strength be almost useless because your grip strength cant keep up?
    Because your back and grip don't always work together.

    Depends on why I was jogging. If I was to jog bare foot, it would hurt at first, but eventually my feet would toughen up to it, and beyond blisters and calusses on my souls, their wouldn't be much damage.
    Wrong. Your feet may even be gloriously calloused afterwards but your knees, ankles and hips would suffer from the continued impact. This isn't the depths of the jungle anymore with soft mud and leaves underfoot, which is what our limbs were designed to run on. Concrete, tarmac and even compacted pitches will do enough damage to render you pretty crippled after a few weeks of barefoot running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    Roper wrote: »
    Concrete, tarmac and even compacted pitches will do enough damage to render you pretty crippled after a few weeks of barefoot running.

    Where do you get this information from? I'm not saying that you're wrong by the way, just that martial artists have been running barefoot for centuries. And nowadays people even run marathons barefoot. Surely someone would have realized by now if it was causing damage.

    Just to continue this post, I've been looking online for info on barefoot running and there seems to be a lot of people not only doing it but who believe that there are great benefits to be gained from it. Here's some points made
    Better proprioception - you know where your feet are relative to the ground

    Landing softer - you learn to land more softly, thus having to absorb less impact

    Midfoot strike - you have a natural tendency to strike with the midfoot, rather then the heel, which is commonly believed to be more efficient. Almost all elite runners run in this manner.

    Better efficiency - you’re more able to convert the energy from the shock of landing from one step into forward motion for the next

    Stronger feet muscles

    Injury prevention

    What are your thoughts on these points Roper?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Where do you get this information from?
    From running 40k a month
    I'm not saying that you're wrong by the way, just that martial artists have been running barefoot for centuries. And nowadays people even run marathons barefoot. Surely someone would have realized by now if it was causing damage.
    I'm sure they do. People also wear tinfoil on their head to stop the government from reading their brainwaves. Look at the Olympic marathon this year and tell me how many people were wearing runners and how many were barefoot.
    , I've been looking online for info on barefoot running and there seems to be a lot of people not only doing it but who believe that there are great benefits to be gained from it.
    There's also some articles on urine therapy but I won't be drinking my own piss anytime soon.
    Better proprioception - you know where your feet are relative to the ground
    That's not what procioception is for a start.
    Landing softer - you learn to land more softly, thus having to absorb less impact
    probably because you're afraid to land hard. You'll probably run slower too.
    Midfoot strike - you have a natural tendency to strike with the midfoot, rather then the heel, which is commonly believed to be more efficient. Almost all elite runners run in this manner.
    yes they do, in runners.
    Better efficiency - you’re more able to convert the energy from the shock of landing from one step into forward motion for the next
    I'd have to see scientific studies that less energy is consumed barefoot than in runners. Until then, I'd have to call bullshít.
    Stronger feet muscles
    at the expense of?
    Injury prevention
    such as? Again, science please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    As I said I am not saying that you are wrong Roper, just that with so many people running barefoot there must be something more to it. I'm going to look for scientific info and will post what I find.

    Peace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    As I said I am not saying that you are wrong Roper, just that with so many people running barefoot there must be something more to it. I'm going to look for scientific info and will post what I find.

    Peace.
    Any number of people swear by any number of 'alternative' medicines and therapies, that doesn't mean they are not bullsh^t. Just because something is popular or trendy doesn't mean it has any validity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    As I said I am not saying that you are wrong Roper, just that with so many people running barefoot there must be something more to it. I'm going to look for scientific info and will post what I find.

    Peace.

    As a qualified personal trainer, my professional opinion is that running barefoot on solid ground is dangerous and the only benefit is that your skin might toughen up.

    The bit in bold i,ve wanted to say for years, now im going to feel like a doctor for the day!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Roper wrote: »
    probably because you're afraid to land hard. You'll probably run slower too.

    Why would landing harder make you run faster?
    Roper wrote: »
    I'd have to see scientific studies that less energy is consumed barefoot than in runners. Until then, I'd have to call bullshít.
    Roper wrote: »
    such as? Again, science please.

    Found this review article on barefoot running, with a load of references on the different aspects of barefoot running. It admits that plenty more studies need to be done, but early studies support that barefoot running requires less energy (less weight to carry by your leg), and areas with populations that are generally unshod seem to have fewer injuries.

    EDIT: I'm not necessarily supporting barefoot running, but I know that I like to investigate peoples claims before calling them bullsh*t simply because they're different to mine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    Why would landing harder make you run faster?



    Found this review article on barefoot running, with a load of references on the different aspects of barefoot running. It admits that plenty more studies need to be done, but early studies support that barefoot running requires less energy (less weight to carry by your leg), and areas with populations that are generally unshod seem to have fewer injuries.

    Actually I just found that article too and was going to post it. Thanks Mark.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf



    Ok, yeah sure, dont use exercises made for strengthening your back to strengthen your grip. So then why not just strengthen your grip strength in line with your back? Why have your back strength be almost useless because your grip strength cant keep up?



    Mark, that hardly makes sense at all.

    When I train my back I use straps on almost all my pulls. The aim is to isolate my back as best as I can. Even using straps your grips is getting an almighty workout without the risk of failing.

    I really don't bother training my grip in the gym, years ago I guess I might have. But there's really no need, and I'd be surprised if anyone here who grapples with the Gi had a weak grip.

    One great way to improve grip strenght is grip fighting whereby both fighters fight for grips, hold the grips for seconds (without throws) while the guy defending trys to break the grip in the time give, when the time is up you release grips and go again.

    But you know what, whatever you think works for you.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Depends on why I was jogging. If I was to jog bare foot, it would hurt at first, but eventually my feet would toughen up to it, and beyond blisters and calusses on my souls, their wouldn't be much damage.

    Not much damage, what are you - the heavy weight champion of Bangladesh?. :p

    Sorry Mark, but throw up whatever internet discussion you can find on jogging barefoot but I ain't buying into it, not a snowballs chance in hell.

    Ask any soldier about bad footwear, or serious hillwalker (or anyone putting any sort of load on their feet) would they contemplate training barefooted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Niall Keane


    I would always encourage hand wraps, for the previously discussed safety reasons, but also what hasn't been mentioned yet, they save your gloves. Without wraps you'll get about 2 months out of gloves before they start smelling like something died.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    I would always encourage hand wraps, for the previously discussed safety reasons, but also what hasn't been mentioned yet, they save your gloves. Without wraps you'll get about 2 months out of gloves before they start smelling like something died.

    That is how mine smell, I have them nearly 7 years:).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Why would landing harder make you run faster?
    You need to read that again. They were two sentences, talking about two seperate things. Hence the "too"

    Found this review article on barefoot running, with a load of references on the different aspects of barefoot running. It admits that plenty more studies need to be done, but early studies support that barefoot running requires less energy (less weight to carry by your leg), and areas with populations that are generally unshod seem to have fewer injuries.
    1 major hole in that theory is the likelihood that developing countries are less likely to have large populations of recreational runners. Do the unshod population in Haiti run many marathons do you think? I think they're probably concentrating on more important things.
    EDIT: I'm not necessarily supporting barefoot running, but I know that I like to investigate peoples claims before calling them bullsh*t simply because they're different to mine
    And I know that I have many, many kilometres of competitive and recreational running to call upon to call that bullshít. I've also worked with track athletes and coaches who would call bullshít too. One review article does not a science make. I actually have run a race barefoot before when I forgot my runners and got 300 metres into it and had to take the pair I got loaned off as they were hurting me. Came in 65th in a field of 85. Never did it again.

    Tell you what though here's an easy one for you. One of us will run a 20k tomorrow in runners and the other can run in their bare feet and see who is in greater pain afterwards. I bagsy the runners. Off you go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    Roper wrote: »
    I actually have run a race barefoot before when I forgot my runners and got 300 metres into it and had to take the pair I got loaned off as they were hurting me. Came in 65th in a field of 85. Never did it again.

    Tell you what though here's an easy one for you. One of us will run a 20k tomorrow in runners and the other can run in their bare feet and see who is in greater pain afterwards. I bagsy the runners. Off you go.

    That's your experience Roper. I came across a good few cases where people have run marathons barefoot and did reasonably well. Also came across a barefoot hiking club. One thing that they all said though is that you have to train your feet into barefoot running gradually. You can't just go out and run 20k. If you do that you will get injuries.

    In conclusion to my part of this debate, as there's no real scientific evidence of the benefit of running barefoot I'm just going say to each their own.
    I don't like running barefoot myself. It hurts the souls and it's a pain in the hole really. However, for the sake of being open minded I'm not going to call it bull****.

    These things do look funky though. Barefoot running shoes...how does that work? :confused:

    glove-shoes.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    This argument reminds me of this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_India

    India was a great footballing nation in the 40's and 50's, they could never translate that into success as they played barefoot- here is a quote from the link, The team qualified for the 1950 World Cup finals in Brazil, but could not appear as they still played in their bare feet at that time.
    Fifa imposed rules that they had to play in boots as they were worried India would upset the South American/European world cup junket and win the thing.

    Not that I'd ever run or play football in my bare feet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Charlie3dan


    So what have we learned here?
    You can condition your hands and feet over time to the point where they are considerably tougher than your average hands and feet. If you don't choose to condition yourself to that level then you should wear protection such as gloves/wrapping/running when punching/running etc.

    There is generally no real need for this level of conditioning, but outrightly calling it bull**** is, well, bull****. I think if people could remeber that in general, this thread has accomplished alot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    That's your experience Roper. I came across a good few cases where people have run marathons barefoot and did reasonably well. Also came across a barefoot hiking club.
    In what capacity have you come across people who've run barefoot marathons or barefoot hikers?
    There is generally no real need for this level of conditioning, but outrightly calling it bull**** is, well, bull****. I think if people could remeber that in general, this thread has accomplished alot.
    I can only give my perspective, and I still call bullshít based upon my experience.

    The internet can give you information to match and "prove" any hypothesis you fancy. Want to say barefoot running is better, do a search. Want to say that hitting a brick wall will make your hands tougher, do a search. Want to prove that there are aliens seeing your thoughts, do a search. I guarantee that you'll find "expert" opinion that will match you hypothesis. Open minded coaches who are in the trenches so to speak are the only opinions I really trust. Internet experts can go blow goats because I can guarantee that anyone defending barefoot running on this thread doesn't do it, they just found someone calling bullshít and got their back up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Furious-Dave


    Sorry. What I meant was during my searching of the internet.

    Most notable were 2 brothers who came 1st and 2nd in a Marathon in New Mexico - runningbarefoot.org/?p=1281

    And barefoot hiking - www.barefoothikers.org/

    "Concrete, tarmac and even compacted pitches will do enough damage to render you pretty crippled after a few weeks of barefoot running." Martial artists have been jogging barefoot for decades, probably even longer. They'd have noticed by now if this were true. Whats more, the guys I mentioned above would not have been able to run a marathon barefoot let alone win it if it were true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    So you're basing your argument on theory and not practise? Okay that's all I was asking.


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