Ninjutsu

Shimei

does anyone know where i could get ninjutsu classes in dublin.
id really like to learn the martial art and the history of it.

pyro940

www.bujinkan.ie

would be the obvious place to start.

Shimei

oh yeah, of course.how silly of me.

pearsquasher

I teach Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu which used to be known as Ninjutsu so you can pop down and visit a class if you like....Just get in touch via the site below.

Bujinkan

Hi Shimei,
I run the Bujinkan Dwyer Dojo in Adamstown in Lucan and Leixlip if it's of help.

Marcus

Shimei

thanks guys.
i live in crumlin so id probably either go to town or somewhere more local

Bujinkan

Try Hujo Gunn www.gunndojo.com in Terenure or Alex Meehan in Rathmines www.happobiken.com as they would be the two nearest to you.

Shimei

nice one.i was just looking at them there.
probably a stupid question but is one of those two any better and how many times a week can you train.id obviously do the 8 week intro to see if i liked it but id imagine once i got into it id like to train a few times a week.

Bujinkan

Both hold full "Shidoshi" teachers licence from Hatsumi Sensei in Japan. If you call them they can tell you their training hours. Their numbers and email address you can get from the links above.

Bujinkan

Also to mention that it is possible to train at both clubs. One of the things about the setup of the Bujinkan in Ireland is that clubs welcome other Bujinkan clubs students, as we all know each other quite well!

CFC1969

Shimei,


Another option (if still open) would be Brian Mc Carthy BBD , in Parnell St. , he has left Bujinkan , but is the most experienced Instructor in the Country.

Quite a few of Bujinkan instructors in Ireland today started out with Brian.

dubdamo

CFC1969 wrote: »

Shimei,


Another option (if still open) would be Brian Mc Carthy BBD , in Parnell St. , he has left Bujinkan , but is the most experienced Instructor in the Country.

Quite a few of Bujinkan instructors in Ireland today started out with Brian.

He is indeed still open,www.bbdireland.com

brian5986

i teach proper ninjutsu up in earlsfort lucan if your interested. visit shurikendo.sampasite.com for all the info

Bujinkan

brian5986 wrote: »

i teach proper ninjutsu up in earlsfort lucan if your interested. visit shurikendo.sampasite.com for all the info

No you don't. This is another example of a made up school or better known as a "Walt" school. Neither you or anyone in your club has ever trainind in any form of Ninjutsu!

brian5986

im sorry but i take that as an insult.before you judge get your facts straight.my club shuriken do is a mixed martial art including ninjutsu,taekwondo and hapkido.before i set up shuriken do i trained under 9th dan master danny rooney of shuriken jitsu as did the rest of senseis in my club.hence the name shuriken in the title.the do is the taekwondo part. shuriken do. so its not a wait school and is proper ninhutsu.just because we have other styles in our syllabus does not mean its not proper ninjutsu.if you research shuriken jitsu you will find out it is a form of ninjutsu.im not slating your club as im sure its very good so id appreciate it if you researched your facts before you call my club a wait club.

thanks

mickoo

i train mma with my club and my coach never claims to teach BJJ even though he trains it elsewhere, as far as he's concerned untill he gets his coaching level belt he cant teach BJJ, as he's a boxing coach he can claim to teach boxing.

unofficially we train BJJ, boxing, muay thai but he would not allow us to claim to be muay thai fighters or even bjj either, so i dont see how you claim to do real ninjitsu if its only as part of mma?

brian5986

i know what your saying.it is ninjusu we teach tho.myself and the other sensei's all got our black belts in shuriken jitsu.which is a form of ninjitsu.since we set up our own club it was originally called shuriken jitsu,which is a form of ninjutsu.since then we have mearged with a taekwondo association and formed shuriken do.which meaning shuriken do mean ninjutsu and takwondo.our syllabus which is all our self defence,katas,eveything is made up of shuriken jitsu.but since we mearged with taekwndo we simply changed the name to shuriken do.thats all.but it is ninjutsu

Slowpoke

brian5986 wrote: »

i teach proper ninjutsu up in earlsfort lucan if your interested. visit shurikendo.sampasite.com for all the info

I'm curious ... Please explain how you teach proper ninjutsu. What is yours or Danny Rooneys background & connection with authentic ninjutsu as taught in Japan ?

brian5986

yes.danny rooney is a 9th dan in shuriken jutsu.if you research shuriken jutsu you will find out it is ninjutsu.it says it is.danny has trained in shuriken jutsu in japan.thats how he got all the way up to ningth dan.he tought me and the other sensei,s shuriken jutsu in his club and we all graded for blackbelt under him.so it is ninjutsu

Slowpoke

brian5986 wrote: »

yes.danny rooney is a 9th dan in shuriken jutsu.if you research shuriken jutsu you will find out it is ninjutsu.it says it is.danny has trained in shuriken jutsu in japan.thats how he got all the way up to ningth dan.he tought me and the other sensei,s shuriken jutsu in his club and we all graded for blackbelt under him.so it is ninjutsu

Incorrect ... Shuriken jutsu is NOT Ninjutsu. Why would you think that? How long did Danny Rooney stay in Japan & who was his teacher?

mickoo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shurikenjutsu

brian5986

i dont know who trained danny as iv never asked and dont know how long he trained in japan for.i imagine a good while considering he is a 9th dan but dont knoiw for sure.shuriken jutsu is ninjutsu.google it and read it and you will ind out.
cheers

Slowpoke

mickoo wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shurikenjutsu

Indeed ... shuriken or other thrown weapons are known to have been used by ''ninja'' but not exclusively. Ninjutsu itself is a much broader art and to say your practicing/teaching Ninjutsu by just throwing shuriken is simply wrong.

brian5986

yeah i know what you are saying and you have a point.but shuriken jutsu is a form of ninjutsu,that what i was trying to get across to the other bloke because he is claiming to teach ninjutsu.but he teaches bujinkan.which is only claimed to be assoicated with ninjutsu but not actually ninjutsu.but we teach shuriken jutsu which is a form of ninjutsu. cheers mate

Sensei1985

hi everyone, Brian I am a 5th Degree Black Belt in Shuriken Do and have trained all over the world and here in Ireland. I have had the pleasure in training in many different types of Martial Arts and have trained also side the best of the best out there. I personally Felt that Shuriken Do was the most skillful and effective art and this is why it became the one for me. As you have stated in your previous emails you also have reached the level of a Sensei in Shuriken Do, which means you no doubt have studied our Oath. which states we will always be respectful to others and their arts. In all the arts I have trained in respect is the main factor and is the back bone of most Martial arts. I have to sit here and wonder how qualified are these people writing these comments about or art and slating it which such disrespect. it screams to me of uneducation. I have to say it takes a real tough guy to sit behind a computer screen and slate our art but Brian I ask you would it be so Different if they were to step on the Matts and face us. regards,Sensei 1985

yomchi

Keep it civil please. I won't lock this yet as I'm dying to know which is actually the real thing...
Anymore personal jibes will result in bans and deletions.

Jon

Slowpoke

brian5986 wrote: »

im sorry but i take that as an insult.before you judge get your facts straight.my club shuriken do is a mixed martial art including ninjutsu,taekwondo and hapkido.before i set up shuriken do i trained under 9th dan master danny rooney of shuriken jitsu as did the rest of senseis in my club.hence the name shuriken in the title.the do is the taekwondo part. shuriken do. so its not a wait school and is proper ninhutsu.just because we have other styles in our syllabus does not mean its not proper ninjutsu.if you research shuriken jitsu you will find out it is a form of ninjutsu.im not slating your club as im sure its very good so id appreciate it if you researched your facts before you call my club a wait club.
thanks

Ok so just to get this straight ... you guys teach a mix of Ninjutsu, Taekwondo and Hapkido. Do you claim to teach 'proper' Taekwondo and 'proper' Hapkido like you claim to teach 'proper' Ninjutsu. If it's just a made-up mish-mash of several styles and re-packaged as 'Shuriken-do' to cast your net wide thats fine but just say so. This practice was quite popular in the '70's and '80's when learning any martial art from the source was logistically very difficult and a lot of instructors filled in the knowledge gaps as best they could. I've no problem with anyone doing that once they are honest with their students about what they are teaching and who they themselves learned from.
For your teacher Danny Rooney to achieve a 9th Dan rank in 'Shuriken Jutsu' ( not Ninjutsu ) is some achievement by any standard yet he cannot reveal with whom he studied, where & for how long. He's also relatively unheard of & it's a small community.

Crusher

brian5986 wrote: »

but shuriken jutsu is a form of ninjutsu,that what i was trying to get across to the other bloke because he is claiming to teach ninjutsu.but he teaches bujinkan.which is only claimed to be assoicated with ninjutsu but not actually ninjutsu.but we teach shuriken jutsu which is a form of ninjutsu. cheers mate

I just done a quick search on Google about the Bujinkan. Listed in the entry on wikipedia about the schools taught within the Bujinkan, are 3 Ninjutsu schools. They are Togakure ryū Ninpō , Gyokushin-ryū Ninpō and Kumogakure-ryū Ninpō. They are also listed as being passed on to Massaki Hatsumi (Grandmaster of the Bujinkan) by Takamatsu To****sugu and listed in the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten and the Kakutogi no Rekishi (“The History of Fighting Arts”) in 1843. So how can the Bujinkan be only assoicated with ninjutsu but not actually ninjutsu?....when it teach's from what I can gather as the last 3 Ninjutu schools listed in the world (The Genbukan also teach's these schools I think. I think the head of the Genbukan used to train with Mr Hatsumi, I'm not 100% sure on this?)

I have found no listing for any Ninjutsu Ryu by the name of Shuriken Jitsu / Jutsu.(Is the spelling correct?) The only listing for this was a form of "Star" or Shurikan throwing used by Samurai and Ninja. The only thing I could find on Danny Rooney and Shurikan Jitsu is on his Bebo page here

So I think you may need to prove to this forum that if you train in "Proper Authentic Ninjutsu" or as Slowpoke said; " if it's just a made-up mish-mash of several styles and re-packaged as 'Shuriken-do' to cast your net wide thats fine but just say so."

If I claimed to teach "Proper" BJJ and John Kavanagh said to me "prove it" then the burden of proof and certification would be on me to list who I trained with, and supply supporting documentation. If I could produce this and list who I trained with to be true and autentic, then sure it would have to be excepted. Does anyone think that that's an unfair statement in anyway? So if you can prove who your Master trained with I think the lads here would respect that!

westcoastshuri

Hi all

I don't normally get involved in online debates about history or validity of styles , lineage etc as I simply don't enjoy them .However I just wanted to clarify some points in this conversation.

Firstly let me start by saying that I personally know the instructors from Shuriken-Do and they are a good bunch of people who enjoy their Martial arts , train hard and devote themselves to their art , club and students .

I should point out though that I am not a member nor do I train with them .I should also point out that Shuriken Do is their art and is in no way affiliated with the Irish Shuriken Jutsu federation .

The reason for my post is that I want to clarify here that Shuriken Jutsu is not a ninjutsu style and does not teach ninjutsu . We may incorporate some ninjutsu techniques - as we do with techniques from other systems but essentially we are a hybrid system .

When Master Rooney first began teaching Shuriken Jutsu he called it a ninjutsu style - as did a lot of instructors in the late seventies and early eighties as due to his perceptions of Ninjutsu he felt it best suited what his art was about . As information about Ninjutsu spread he realized this was an error and we have not used the Ninjutsu title in a long time . I realize this may invite comment from people , hopefully it will be seen as it was intended - an honest admission on our part . We hold other Martial arts in the highest regards and Bujinkan and Genbunkan would be no exception .

Let me be clear here - I am not entering into any debate or saying anyone is right or wrong but simply wishing to clarify Shuriken Jutsu's official stance on comparisons with Ninjutsu .

To be fair to all involved in this conversation I will not post again as It is none of my business and I hope that the Shuriken Do members and the Bujinkan members understand our reason for this post and appreciate the respect we have for them .

Kind regards,
Darren Hayes
Senior Instructor
Irish Shuriken Jutsu Federation

r3nu4l

Darren, great post, thank you for the clarification, hopefully some of your students and others here are now better informed than they were.

Bujinkan

Indeed Darren, thank you for your clarification on this matter and from the point of Mr Rooney and his association. I have no problem with Shurikan Do members, indeed I wish them well in their training!

Happy New Year to all!

Slowpoke

Darren,

Thanks for your post .... it does a good job of clearing up most of the confusion.

ryoishin

Shuriken Jitsu are you the guys in clondalkin?

moxiah

Hi Dar,

Good post, well thought out and well said, old son.

Ryoishin, afaik there are Shuriken Jutsu classes running in Clondalkin, Croke Park, and Newbridge at the moment. They're a very welcoming bunch so I have no doubts that any questions anyone may have will be enthusiastically and politely answered to anyone who turned up.

Mox

meathmannn

To get back on topic....

As a former student of Brian Mc Carthy, I'd give him the thumbs up. Teaches in a very fun way, and encourages everyone to take what suits their body/style etc. if that's boxing/ wrestling/ martial arts etc. and importantly never tells students "this is the best" etc. his attitude was always learn from all forms of defence and use them to your advantage.
As someone who uses these skills almost every day in work I found it of great benifit.


Anyway hope you find what your looking for and happy new year to everyone.

yomchi

Everyday? What's your occupation mate?

ginoginelli

He's a Ninja

CFC1969

I assume MM is a garda or security professional; Mc Carthy had a lot of those lads training with him in the 90s as he trained US Embassy in CQB, and also trained the Irish Rangers (not Huns) army boys ..

Podno

Sensei1985 wrote: »

hi everyone, Brian I am a 5th Degree Black Belt in Shuriken Do and have trained all over the world and here in Ireland. I have had the pleasure in training in many different types of Martial Arts and have trained also side the best of the best out there. I personally Felt that Shuriken Do was the most skillful and effective art and this is why it became the one for me. As you have stated in your previous emails you also have reached the level of a Sensei in Shuriken Do, which means you no doubt have studied our Oath. which states we will always be respectful to others and their arts. In all the arts I have trained in respect is the main factor and is the back bone of most Martial arts.

Hi all,
Sorry for the late posting but this was only brought to my attention very recently.
I feel Sensei1985's posting is a bit misleading. He fails to mention that he is a founding member of Shuriken Do and was/is Brian's instructor.

HammerHeadGym

LOL! Busted!!:D