Girls today....

save_our_socks

Long time lurker but here it goes....Was having a discussion with a friend today about her weekend, I nearly fell off my seat when she told me that she had to take a family friend, who just turned 15, to the south doc to get the m.a.p.

Now I was no angel myself when I was younger, but really what is going on with the youth of today? At 15 I was still calling them willys, yes laugh at me everyone else did! I was over 2 years older when I lost my virginity and was the first of my friends to do so......So my question is, am I getting a bit fuddy duddy in my early 20's by being shocked at this or is it normal for 15 year olds to have had a few partners? At the rate things are going I'm going to be scared to bring children into this world with all the goings on!

Nuravictus

fairly common, My 15 year old cousin was staying with me & i had to explain to her why sex with older men was just wrong but in hindsight we had a good time with me pretending to be a girl on MSN . I know what buttons to push then again I got insider knowledge since I am a bloke. Some real freaks on the MSN stuff btw.

Cmol

m.a.p?

Zaph

Morning after pill

Rozabeez

15 year olds having sex is one thing, 15 year olds having unprotected sex is kind of a bigger issue. Idiots.

panda100

But I thought we were all really sexually liberated and womens bodys being out there is a positive thing?!

Theres all this sex out there for young people in the forms of The pussycat dolls,bratz dolls,newspapers, adverts,etc .Yet we're still grossly sexually conservative in my opinion. While one image of female sex is out there in a physical sense everywhere, any issues on sexual identity, your body, sexual health is rarely discussed.

When I did my GP rotation in Limerick we had girls as young as 14 coming in for the MAP. I wasnt really suprised,there was bound to be societal consequences of commodifying and cheapening the female body,this is one of them.

Cmol

Sister Zaphora wrote: »

Morning after pill

Clearly I'm very innocent

In all fairness, girls were having sex at a young age 50 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago....

For some reason our generation seems to think we invented underage sex. We didnt, we merely have the media tools to talk about it more

Zaph

Cmol wrote: »

Clearly I'm very innocent

In fairness, women generally aren't much use with maps

Latchy

Cmol wrote: »

Clearly I'm very innocent

In all fairness, girls were having sex at a young age 50 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago....

For some reason our generation seems to think we invented underage sex. We didnt, we merely have the media tools to talk about it more

Very true and dirty old men were around 50,20,10 years ago to but it's only in last 15 years or more the word ' pedophile ' has crept into our everyday vocabualry.

cuckoo

panda100 wrote: »

When I did my GP rotation in Limerick we had girls as young as 14 coming in for the MAP. I wasnt really suprised,there was bound to be societal consequences of commodifying and cheapening the female body,this is one of them.

...and, there's no money to be made in empowering women to be informed about contraception, and to give them the skills and confidence to discuss it with their sexual partners.

Shampoo and moisturisers are sold to us by ads that tell us "we're worth it", maybe durex should be doing one (for both genders) along the lines of "i'm worth protecting".

Panda, when the 14 yr olds come in how did they react if they were asked about their future plans for contraception?

I've heard some real horror stories from ppl who work in that field, some teenagers who just.don't.want.to.know, others who "no, i could never go on the pill - all those chemicals in my body? just give me the MAP" and recurringly (and sadly) young women who just couldn't imagine a world in which it was acceptable for them to insist on their partners using condoms.

Galvasean

latchyco wrote: »

Very true and dirty old men were around 50,20,10 years ago to but it's only in last 15 years or more the word ' pedophile ' has crept into our everyday vocabualry.

As opposed to that neighbor who was 'a bit of a character'.

LolaDub

Sister Zaphora wrote: »

In fairness, women i'm generally not much use with maps

Fixed that for you

LolaDub

panda100 wrote: »

But I thought we were all really sexually liberated and womens bodys being out there is a positive thing?!

That comes down to if you'd call a 15 year old a woman-i wouldn't.

towel401

Sister Zaphora wrote: »

In fairness, women generally aren't much use with maps

i loled

Zaph

LolaDub wrote: »

Fixed that for you

You're too kind :P

Cmol

latchyco wrote: »

Very true and dirty old men were around 50,20,10 years ago to but it's only in last 15 years or more the word ' pedophile ' has crept into our everyday vocabualry.

Or perhaps its only because its only very very recent that people have started talking about these things?

dr.bollocko

save_our_socks wrote: »

really what is going on with the youth of today?

This is the point at which you lost me.
:pac::D

LolaDub

Sister Zaphora wrote: »

You're too kind :P

Wish i could say the same

girl_friday

Sister Zaphora wrote: »

In fairness, women generally aren't much use with maps

LOL! Thats what Sat Nav is for!!! Now get back on topic!! :rolleyes:


I was having a discussion about M.A.P. with a (male) friend in the UK recently as they can get it over the counter there. He was quite shocked that its not something I've ever needed to use as apparently he has gone lots of times to get it with sexual partners when they had accidents or just didn't have condoms by the sounds of it. He wasn't impressed when I pointed out about STDs etc. It was his opinion that a once a year check up and the MAP would be fine... I just hope it doesn't backfire on him!

towel401

sat navs are boring. maps ftw i think. especially now that map has a double meaning

damn lazy peeps who make up TLA's as they go along...

Redpunto

I think the morning after pill for a women of any age is sad.

Cmol

Its over the counter at home too, which it should 200% be here!

€50 for a 5 min consult + €15 for the pill is ridiculously over the top expensive and as far as im concerned, a total money making tool for the clinics.

omb0wyn5ehpij9

Redpunto wrote: »

I think the morning after pill for a women of any age is sad.

Why do you think that? What happens if the condom splits?

Latchy

Galvasean wrote: »

As opposed to that neighbor who was 'a bit of a character'.

Yes indeed and every neighbourhood seemed to have a few of the characters .

Cmol wrote: »

Or perhaps its only because its only very very recent that people have started talking about these things?

Because they can now and having as somebody said ' the tools' to do so .Decades ago people would be afraid to even talk about these things never mind accuse the local charecter, or anybody, of anything.

Cmol

Redpunto wrote: »

I think the morning after pill for a women of any age is sad.

Because....

Redpunto

Redpunto wrote: »

I think the morning after pill for a women of any age is sad.

why so? i've taken it, and I'm married! drunken nights of passion happen! even to the most careful!

Wibbs

Sister Zaphora wrote: »

In fairness, women generally aren't much use with maps

Class. Its official I think I feel the man love for you.:D

LolaDub

Wibbs wrote: »

Class. Its official I think I feel the man love for you.:D

another 'sister'

Zaph

Wibbs wrote: »

Class. Its official I think I feel the man love for you.:D

Eh, thanks, I think. You know the beard will have to go before you try any funny stuff, don't you?

Latchy

Is the male MAP available ...........yet ?

LolaDub

latchyco wrote: »

Is the male MAP available ...........yet ?

No when they refuse to ask for directions

Cmol

latchyco wrote: »

Because they can now and having as somebody said ' the tools' to do so .Decades ago people would be afraid to even talk about these things never mind accuse the local charecter, or anybody, of anything.

You're talking about 2 different points here - When I mentioned the tools that we now have to discuss these things, I was referring to the apparent 'epidemic' of underage sex, the tools being the media who scare monger people into thinking that we have created underage sex

As far as actually talking about things like paedophilia, its more of the stigma surrounding these issues and them being taboo's in society that stops people talking about them.

Latchy

LolaDub wrote: »

No when they refuse to ask for directions

Lazy sods

Cmol wrote: »

You're talking about 2 different points here - When I mentioned the tools that we now have to discuss these things, I was referring to the apparent 'epidemic' of underage sex, the tools being the media who scare monger people into thinking that we have created underage sex.

I assumed you ment we have the tools ie, the internet to discuss topics which otherwise were not talked about much decades ago ,like underage sex .Like the ol odd charecter of yesteryear now might be refered to as a peodophile .That word wasnt as common in previous generations as it is now

As far as actually talking about things like paedophilia, its more of the stigma surrounding these issues and them being taboo's in society that stops people talking about them.

Well people are talking about them a hell of a lot more than they use do ,there is no stigma discussing it or any other topic on the internet

Cmol

latchyco wrote: »

Well people are talking about them a hell of a lot more than they use do ,there is no stigma discussing it or any other topic on the internet

Me and you might find it easy enough to talk about it, but I mean someone who is raped or abused - some stats say that 80 - 90 % of rapes go unreported

Galvasean

I would say young people of this generation are having more sex, as in more frequently because we have better access to contraception. The only thing keeping previous generations of young people from roggering each other daily was the fear of pregnancy rather than a universal sense of piousness.
The phrase "Get thee to a nunnery!" springs to mind. Basically if you had sex back then there was a very high chance of getting pregnant.

Heck, in my parents generation young people's sex education consisted of what you heard from hearsay. Apparently some of the common beliefs included:
- you can't get pregnant if you do it standing up
- you can't get pregnant the first time
- you can get pregnant from oral sex

Sex was a thing to be feared back then.

Galvasean

Galvasean wrote: »

Heck, in my parents generation young people's sex education consisted of what you heard from hearsay. Apparently some of the common beliefs included:
- you can't get pregnant if you do it standing up
- you can't get pregnant the first time
- you can get pregnant from oral sex

What do you mean "hearsay" i've never gotten pregnant standing up, and didn't get pregnant the first time, and it is likely that my daughter did start off with the hubby wanting a BJ

save_our_socks

I just think its a bit sad that girls so young are feeling the pressure to become sexually active at a young age. So many kids toys and clothes are so provactive, its almost as if they dont have a choice but to grow up into adults at a young age. I suppose its also a case of monkey see monkey do.

Was talking with my mother about it earlier and she reminded me that a 12 year old in the local primary school is expecting......

oh god that is just awful, that poor little thing, sure she can hardly have realised what she was doing? God, she needs a prayer or two said for her....

save_our_socks

I know its a bit of gossip and hearsay but its obviously been investigated and from what Ive been told the guy wasnt much older and both were well aware of what was going on.

thats just it though, they might have known what they were doing, but they just don't understand the consequences, they might think they do, how could they? they're only babies....

Latchy

Cmol wrote: »

Me and you might find it easy enough to talk about it, but I mean someone who is raped or abused - some stats say that 80 - 90 % of rapes go unreported

I actually dont think pedophillia is a comfortable topic to discuss at all ,it's just that people accept that it cant be pushed aside like it was in days of yore .

Galvasean wrote: »

I would say young people of this generation are having more sex, as in more frequently because we have better access to contraception. The only thing keeping previous generations of young people from roggering each other daily was the fear of pregnancy rather than a universal sense of piousness.

Funny enough looking briefly through a book i got on C J Haughey the other day he is quoted as saying '' something i will regret till my dying day is that my generation were to old to expierence and enjoy the permissive society '' and he was only talking about the 60s / 70s yet he did play the field a bit in his old age

Cmol

latchyco wrote: »

I actually dont think pedophillia is a comfortable topic to discuss at all ,it's just that people accept that it cant be pushed aside like it was in days of yore .

Its not just Paedophilia, rape in general

Anyway, this is way way way off topic!

Nevyn

I was 15.
He was a fair bit older.
He didn't know I was 15, I had lied.
I knew what I was doing.

Some girls are fully developed women and sexual at that age, some are not.

Yes there should be better sex education and contraception advaililible.

Thankfully that girl had someone who she could go to and did get the m.a.p.
rather then do nothing and be scared and hide a pregnancy or give birth off somewhere scared and alone.
Thankfully these days there are option rather then been stuck in a magdalen laundry for the rest of your life with the baby taken off you.

fonpokno

Cmol wrote: »

Its over the counter at home too, which it should 200% be here!

€50 for a 5 min consult + €15 for the pill is ridiculously over the top expensive and as far as im concerned, a total money making tool for the clinics.

Agreed. Definitely. Pain in the arse tryin to hunt down a doctor when you're panicking!

Redpunto wrote: »

I think the morning after pill for a women of any age is sad.

Why exactly?

save_our_socks wrote: »

Was talking with my mother about it earlier and she reminded me that a 12 year old in the local primary school is expecting......

Oh my... That's terrible. Poor girl.


Anyway, back to being 15! Although I'm sure some people are happy enough and capable of some sort of mature sexual relationship when they are 14/15, that would've been weird for me at that age... I knew everything I know now about sex and contraception and all that. But I was still a kid when I was 15. Heck I'm only 4 years past 15 and still a kid.

I left school last year and I'm honestly horrified at how some of the 13 and 14 year olds carry on. Jebus, Wesley attire hurts my eyes. Everything's so sexualised. I mean I'm no prude or anything, I love sex but surely there has to be some sort of limit?


God I talk alot of sh*te...

Alessandra

Call me old fashioned or whatnot, but I believe 15 is too young for children to be having sex. At 15 you have enough concerns than an unwanted pregnancy or an STD. At that age you are just learning about your body and many girls and boys are not fully aware of what implications a casual sexual encounter may have. Granted many of legal age and older are no better but I think there are laws in place for a reason.

Kinetic^

latchyco wrote: »

Is the male MAP available ...........yet ?

Yup. 3 easy steps.

Take said female's phone.
Delete your phone number.
Profit.

Latchy

Kinetic^ wrote: »

Yup. 3 easy steps.

Take said female's phone.
Delete your phone number.
Profit.

After the event ?

Cool , that's so james bond :cool:

I do know their was mention in the press recently of the male MAP ,hence my Q :rolleyes:

Reku

Cmol wrote: »

Clearly I'm very innocent

In all fairness, girls were having sex at a young age 50 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago....

For some reason our generation seems to think we invented underage sex. We didnt, we merely have the media tools to talk about it more

One of the best conversations I ever had with my grandparents was one where they were honest and admitted that they did get up to all this stuff when they were kids too, none of the usual "that sort of thing never went on in our day" crap you get out of the elderly so much.
In fact some of the stories they had would get you jail time these days yet were just a source of amusement for the locals when they were teens.

I'm afraid I'd no idea what the MAP was either, thought it might be an STD test from the original post.:o


As others have said, better that people be open about it all and deal with the problems as they occur than try sweep them under the rug in the hope that they'll somehow go away.

Redpunto wrote: »

I think the morning after pill for a women of any age is sad.

I think a genuinely unwanted pregnancy would be far sadder.

EamonnKeane

Alessandra wrote: »

Call me old fashioned or whatnot, but I believe 15 is too young for children to be having sex. At 15 you have enough concerns than an unwanted pregnancy or an STD. At that age you are just learning about your body and many girls and boys are not fully aware of what implications a casual sexual encounter may have. Granted many of legal age and older are no better but I think there are laws in place for a reason.

I don't see this tbh, an unwanted pregnancy or STI is still a serious dilemma for a 40-year-old.

LolaDub wrote: »

That comes down to if you'd call a 15 year old a woman-i wouldn't.

Biology begs to differ - menarche occurs earlier with each passing decade.

the_syco

Rozabeez wrote: »

15 year olds having sex is one thing, 15 year olds having unprotected sex is kind of a bigger issue. Idiots.

At what age does the state give sex ed to the kids these days? Wonder how many are mammies by the time they get it?

Cmol wrote: »

€50 for a 5 min consult + €15 for the pill is ridiculously over the top expensive

You'd wonder how many girls consider €65 too expensive on a "maybe".

He didn't know I was 15, I had lied.

[off-topic] Wonder did he get charged with rape? Or if you thought of that consequence? [/off-topic]

=-=

Some girls never get to be girls. They skip their childhood, and become a mother.

fonpokno

EamonnKeane wrote: »

I don't see this tbh, an unwanted pregnancy or STI is still a serious dilemma for a 40-year-old.

At least when you're a 40 year old in these situations you have the maturity and the finances to deal with it. I'm sure it's much easier facing a doctor at the age of 40 and not having to tell anyone else if you don't want to than it is facing a doctor and probably your parents at age 15.