Tower 7 Collapse- 9/11- BBC2 Documentary

cooperguy

So did anybody see the BBC2 programme thats just about to end "The Conspiracy Files" that explains how Tower 7 collapsed during 9/11. Are all the conspiracy theorists satisfied?

Kernel

cooperguy wrote: »

So did anybody see the BBC2 programme thats just about to end "The Conspiracy Files" that explains how Tower 7 collapsed during 9/11. Are all the conspiracy theorists satisfied?

Never. 911 was an inside job.

cooperguy

Kernel wrote: »

Never. 911 was an inside job.

And you know this because.....

Mahatma coat

We hold these truths to be self evident.....

either it was known about andlet happenby the Govt bodies at the timeto further their sinister agenda, or its one of the biggest series of freak coincidences ever

Run_to_da_hills

cooperguy wrote: »

And you know this because.....

Interesting facts and unanswered questions on WTC 7

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/wtc7.htm

http://www.wtc7.net/

cooperguy

Actually all that was pretty much covered in the documentary. Oh and the fires in WTC7 were FAR from small by the way

Penn

I thought the best bit of that programme was when a guy from the government explained something, then the Loose Change guy shouted "WELL OF COURSE HE'D SAY THAT! HE WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT!"

Perfect example of how people who still think it was an inside job are idiots. They demand investigations into 9/11, then say the report is a lie because it was compiled by the government. So much proof has been provided by independant bodies that prove it was not an inside job, yet people refuse to believe it.

The funniest thing about WTC7 is that people are saying there was lots of gold bullion under it and it was destroyed so the government could move it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that gold bullion controlled by the government anyway? Surely they could move it if they wanted to.

Run_to_da_hills

cooperguy wrote: »

And you know this because.....

It is as obvious as dogs ba*lls.

Website with interesting links and quotes.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/911.htm

FrostyJack

Anything with jesus-is-savoir in the title is going to be full of bs especially when the 3rd major quote is by Hitler............

Climate Expert

cooperguy wrote: »

So did anybody see the BBC2 programme thats just about to end "The Conspiracy Files" that explains how Tower 7 collapsed during 9/11. Are all the conspiracy theorists satisfied?

They will never be satisfied. They suffer from a mild mental illness which distorts how the way their brain interprets facts and evidence.

TriciaDelicia

Conspiracy theorists will never be happy with any explanations given about anything they believe to be true no matter how false it may seem.

Run_to_da_hills

FrostyJack wrote: »

Anything with jesus-is-savoir in the title is going to be full of bs especially when the 3rd major quote is by Hitler............

David J Strwart the administrator of that site may be a off the wall in much of his content but some of the "non christian" links he includes are interesting and bear some credibility.

meglome

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Interesting facts and unanswered questions on WTC 7

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/wtc7.htm

http://www.wtc7.net/

Seriously I'm tired and should be in bed so I'm not gonna rehash the several times that most of this stuff has be shown not to be true. You CT's can be shown clearly and concisely that what you believe is not so and you still believe it no matter what. :mad:

Kernel

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Perfect example of how people who still think it was an inside job are idiots.

No, people who believe that the towers fell because of a shadowy plan enacted by a boogeyman in a cave (who worked for the CIA previously) - involving stanley knife wielding jihadists hijacking planes while the eastern USAF was on training exercises far away from the event are the idiots.
(Allah, I swore I wouldn't get embroiled in another 911 thread here!)

cooperguy

Kernel wrote: »

No, people who believe that the towers fell because of a shadowy plan enacted by a boogeyman in a cave (who worked for the CIA previously) - involving stanley knife wielding jihadists hijacking planes while the eastern USAF was on training exercises far away from the event are the idiots.
(Allah, I swore I wouldn't get embroiled in another 911 thread here!)

As opposed to the people who think the towers fell (and WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition because a plane wouldn't do for some reason) because of a boogeyman in the Whitehouse, involving high tech CIA agents hijacking plans to kill their fellow citizens and the secret being kept for years by the many hundreds of people involved in the operation as well as independently investigating.

FrostyJack

(who worked for the CIA previously)

You do know he's (was) a millionaire, the only reason he gained rank in the Mujahideen? He never "worked" for them and had no need to.

Mahatma coat

can anyone confirm or deny, that during the forced grounding of ALL flights in the US directly after the incident, one plande did take off, flying to Saudi Arabia with members of the Bin Laden family?

FrostyJack

The USAF and the workers on the airport would know if they took off, I'm sure they'll confirm it for you :pac:

Zascar

I thought the most interesting part was when the guy said that the govenment would not have the competence to pull off such a massive plan, and keep it secret at the same time...

Penn

Zascar wrote: »

I thought the most interesting part was when the guy said that the govenment would not have the competence to pull off such a massive plan, and keep it secret at the same time...

Not to mention the fact that the Republican Party were only in power about 9 months at this point. I doubt such a massive plan could have been organised in such a short period of time. Or by Bush in an infinite amount of time

humanji

Mahatma coat wrote: »

can anyone confirm or deny, that during the forced grounding of ALL flights in the US directly after the incident, one plande did take off, flying to Saudi Arabia with members of the Bin Laden family?

Seems to be another rumour (sorry for the dodgy formatting. Snopes is being a little funny and won't let me copy and paste propery):

snopes wrote:

Flights of Fancy
Claim: Secret flights whisked bin Laden family members and Saudi nationals out of the U.S. immediately after September 11 while a general ban on air travel was still in effect, and before the FBI had any opportunity to question any of the passengers.

Status:False.

Origins: In the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks on America, the Federal Aviation Administration immediately ordered all flights in the United
States grounded, and that ban stayed in effect until September 13. (Even then, for that first day commercial carriers were mostly either completing the interrupted flights of September 11 or repositioning empty aircraft in anticipation of the resumption of full service. New passenger flights did not generally resume until the 14th.) During that two-day period of full lock-down, only the military and specially FAA-authorized flights that delivered life-saving medical necessities were in the air. The enforcement of the empty skies directive was so stringent that even after the United Network for Organ Sharing sought and gained FAA clearance to use charter aircraft on September 12 to effect time-critical deliveries of organs for transplant, one of its flights carrying a human heart was forced to the ground in Bellingham, Washington, 80 miles short of its Seattle destination, by two Navy F/A-18 fighters. (The organ completed its journey after being transferred to a helicopter.)

The claim that bin Laden family members (and other Saudis) were allowed to secretly fly out of the U.S. and back to Saudi Arabia while a government-imposed ban on air travel was in effect, all without any intervention by the FBI, has since been negated by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission"). In their final report, the commission noted: Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11: (1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001? (2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals? (3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?

First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.

Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of [National Security Council official] Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals ... The President and Vice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.

Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United State on charter flights. The Saudi government was advised of and agree to the FBI's requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed. The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.

The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.
The 9/11 Commission also expanded on the following points in footnotes to the section of the report quoted above: During the morning of September 11, the FAA suspended all nonemergency air activity in the national airspace. While the national airspace was closed, decisions to allow aircraft to fly were made by the FAA working with the Department of Defense, Department of State, U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI. The Department of Transportation reopened the national airspace to U.S. carriers effective 11:00 A.M. on September 13, 2001, for flights out of or into airports that had implemented the FAA's new security requirements.

After the airspace reopened, nine chartered flights with 160 people, mostly Saudi nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. In addition, one Saudi government flight, containing the Saudi deputy defense minister and other members of an official Saudi delegation, departed Newark Airport on September 14. Every airport involved in these Saudi flights was open when the flight departed, and no inappropriate actions were taken to allow those flights to depart.

Another particular allegation is that a flight carrying Saudi nationals from Tampa, Florida, to Lexington, Kentucky, was allowed to fly while airspace was closed, with special approval by senior U.S. government officials. On September 13, Tampa police brought three young Saudis they were protecting on an off-duty security detail to the airport so they could get on a plane to Lexington. Tampa police arranged for two more private investigators to provide security on the flight. They boarded a chartered Learjet. The plane took off at 4:37 P.M., after national airspace was open, more than five hours after the Tampa airport had reopened, and after other flights had arrived at and departed from that airport. The three Saudi nationals debarked from the plane and were met by local police. Their private security guards were paid. and the police then escorted the three Saudi passengers to a hotel where they joined relatives already in Lexington. The FBI is alleged to have had no record of the flight and denied that it occurred, hence contributing to the story of a "phantom flight." This is another misunderstanding. The FBI was initially misinformed about how the Saudis got to Lexington by a local police officer in Lexington who did not have firsthand knowledge of the matter. The Bureau subsequently learned about the flight.

These flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily the FBI. For example, one flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. Screening of this flight was directed by an FBI agent in the Baltimore Field Office who was also a pilot ... The Bin Ladin flight and other flights we examined were screened in accordance with policies set by FBI headquarters and coordinated through working-level interagency processes. Although most of the passengers were not interviewed, 22 of the 26 people on the Bin Ladin flight were interviewed by the FBI. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity.

Zascar

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Not to mention the fact that the Republican Party were only in power about 9 months at this point. I doubt such a massive plan could have been organised in such a short period of time. Or by Bush in an infinite amount of time

Totally. What should be under more investigation is the "Plane" that hit the whitehouse Pentagon. I mean that is clearly being covered up.

Penn

Zascar wrote: »

Totally. What should be under more investigation is the "Plane" that hit the whitehouse. I mean that is clearly being covered up.

Yeah, and all the planes heading for the Empire State Building. Luckily King Kong was able to swat them down before they hit it. I've seen video evidence of it. And the remake of the video evidence starring Jack Black :rolleyes:

cooperguy

Im sorry. A plane hit the Whitehouse now? How come nobody noticed!!

Zascar

Pentagon - DOH!

Penn

if anyone has seen Loose Change and believes that 9/11 was faked etc, theres a site you can go to from the Loose Change Wikipedia page which debunks all their theories and statistics one by one. Including the plane that hit the White Hou... sorry... Pentagon

Zascar

So how come a very large plane aparently hit the Pentagon, yet there was no evidence of wings or engines etc. Aparently it was 'vaporised' by the jet fuel, yet they were still able to find passports and identify bodies etc. Hmmmmmm...

Climate Expert

Zascar wrote: »

So how come a very large plane aparently hit the Pentagon, yet there was no evidence of wings or engines etc. Aparently it was 'vaporised' by the jet fuel, yet they were still able to find passports and identify bodies etc. Hmmmmmm...

Are you saying it wasn't a plane that hit the WTC?

Penn

Zascar wrote: »

So how come a very large plane aparently hit the Pentagon, yet there was no evidence of wings or engines etc. Aparently it was 'vaporised' by the jet fuel, yet they were still able to find passports and identify bodies etc. Hmmmmmm...

There was evidence of wings and engines. I saw pictures of both on one of the sites I mentioned a minute ago

meglome

Zascar wrote: »

So how come a very large plane aparently hit the Pentagon, yet there was no evidence of wings or engines etc. Aparently it was 'vaporised' by the jet fuel, yet they were still able to find passports and identify bodies etc. Hmmmmmm...

Simply not true. There's bits of plane all over the place if you look at the pictures. There are lamposts knocked to the ground exactly where the plane was supposed to come in, lamposts that have dints in the tops of them where something hit them. The plane crossed a city and a major highway on the way in, hundreds of people saw it. There can be little doubt that a plane hit the pentagon.

bonkey

Kernel wrote: »

No, people who believe that the towers fell because of a shadowy plan enacted by a boogeyman in a cave (who worked for the CIA previously) - involving stanley knife wielding jihadists hijacking planes while the eastern USAF was on training exercises far away from the event are the idiots.
(Allah, I swore I wouldn't get embroiled in another 911 thread here!)

I not only agree, I'd put it even more strongly....

Anyone who believes that bogeymen in a cave enacted the plan are complete raving lunatics.

Of course, thats not what the official account says in the first place, nor (I believe) what anyone here has ever argued, so I would argue that it is a straw-man.