BER Cert ?

Slates

How many people on this site have a BER cert for their house?
or have one for rented accommodation?

sinnerboy

Except for new builds , implementation date starts next Jan , Slates . I doubt many will answer in the positive

sinnerboy

3170 - have passed exam after training to become assessors
791 - have registered with SEI
170 - are "active"
2195 certs issued - mostly B's

sydthebeat

sinnerboy wrote: »

3170 - have passed exam after training to become assessors
791 - have registered with SEI
170 - are "active"
2195 certs issued - mostly B's

thats a big jump from the summer.....

so it averages out at less than 3 per assessor..... nice! :mad:

im registered over a year and still havent been required to publish one yet!!!

No6

I'd be one of the inactive one's but I am actually active I'm doing a number of BER certs for houses which are under construction, none completed yet but getting there!!

sinnerboy

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fishfoodie

sydthebeat wrote: »

thats a big jump from the summer.....

so it averages out at less than 3 per assessor..... nice! :mad:

im registered over a year and still havent been required to publish one yet!!!

Just curious on this; is there any provision for disqualifying assessors who don't maintain proficiency by carrying out a certain number of assessments a year ?

sydthebeat

fishfoodie wrote: »

Just curious on this; is there any provision for disqualifying assessors who don't maintain proficiency by carrying out a certain number of assessments a year ?

certainly hope not.

you can only carry out what your engaged to do.
also you can carry out assessments (as prelims) without nofiying SEI

sinnerboy

fishfoodie wrote: »

Just curious on this; is there any provision for disqualifying assessors who don't maintain proficiency by carrying out a certain number of assessments a year ?

how many have you done ? :D

No6

sydthebeat wrote: »

certainly hope not.

you can only carry out what your engaged to do.
also you can carry out assessments (as prelims) without nofiying SEI

I would suspect that there is a lot of preliminary assessments being done, its the best time to get an assesment done as you can improve your rating by adjusting your spec's where as when you do a cert for a completed house that it you get what you've put in. Don't forget that it's only since the end of june that all new houses have to be done, before that it was 2007 plannings only so a lot of houses are now only begining to require them.

sydthebeat

No6 wrote: »

I would suspect that there is a lot of preliminary assessments being done, its the best time to get an assesment done as you can improve your rating by adjusting your spec's where as when you do a cert for a completed house that it you get what you've put in. Don't forget that it's only since the end of june that all new houses have to be done, before that it was 2007 plannings only so a lot of houses are now only begining to require them.

problem i see it is, in the owner occupier sector, (who require BERs if not substantially complete by 30th june 2008) there is ABSOLUTELY NO push to inform them or threat to punish them if they dont comply with SI 666.

all SEIs focus is on the sale / rental sector... which has basically stopped anyway. Solicitors as well, are only focusing this sector... not on the owner occupier.

I have about 19 dwellings that fall under this, iv einformed everyone.... i dont expect to get any BERs out of it... because they can simply choose not to comply and i cannot see any come back from anyone...

PS building control in the rural situation is non existant!!

Slates

sydthebeat wrote: »

problem i see it is, in the owner occupier sector, (who require BERs if not substantially complete by 30th june 2008) there is ABSOLUTELY NO push to inform them or threat to punish them if they dont comply with SI 666.

all SEIs focus is on the sale / rental sector... which has basically stopped anyway. Solicitors as well, are only focusing this sector... not on the owner occupier.

I have about 19 dwellings that fall under this, iv einformed everyone.... i dont expect to get any BERs out of it... because they can simply choose not to comply and i cannot see any come back from anyone...

PS building control in the rural situation is non existant!!

I said all this last year and got a telling off form Muffler !

sinnerboy

If I recall , you were told off for your "why should I ? " attitude .
Why raise the issue again Slates ?

No6

sydthebeat wrote: »

problem i see it is, in the owner occupier sector, (who require BERs if not substantially complete by 30th june 2008) there is ABSOLUTELY NO push to inform them or threat to punish them if they dont comply with SI 666.

all SEIs focus is on the sale / rental sector... which has basically stopped anyway. Solicitors as well, are only focusing this sector... not on the owner occupier.

I have about 19 dwellings that fall under this, iv einformed everyone.... i dont expect to get any BERs out of it... because they can simply choose not to comply and i cannot see any come back from anyone...

PS building control in the rural situation is non existant!!

I know what you mean syd a lot of people around here try and avoid certs of compliance never mind BER certs, however if you are certifying the project and they need the BER cert point out that you cannot certify compliance woithout the BER cert. If you get the chance educate the Local solicitors in relation to BER's they'll start looking for them!!:D I've probably got a similar number of dwellings in the same boat and done a mail shot earlier in the year, I've got four or five signed up, another few humming and hawing a few not building yet and a few building away and not paying any heed. The fledgling BER assessors association seem to be looking for preliminary certs to be included with planning doccuments!!! a nice little earner if you can get it but I can't see it happening. It should be made a condition of planning however that a copy of the BER cert is submitted to the LA on completion of e project & publication of the cert.

sinnerboy

No6 wrote: »

I know what you mean syd a lot of people around here try and avoid certs of compliance never mind BER certs, however if you are certifying the project and they need the BER cert point out that you cannot certify compliance woithout the BER cert. If you get the chance educate the Local solicitors in relation to BER's they'll start looking for them!!:D I've probably got a similar number of dwellings in the same boat and done a mail shot earlier in the year, I've got four or five signed up, another few humming and hawing a few not building yet and a few building away and not paying any heed. The fledgling BER assessors association seem to be looking for preliminary certs to be included with planning doccuments!!! a nice little earner if you can get it but I can't see it happening. It should be made a condition of planning however that a copy of the BER cert is submitted to the LA on completion of e project & publication of the cert.

Naaah - i see it becoming "just what we do" . Clients will expect it for free .

sydthebeat

No6 wrote: »

I know what you mean syd a lot of people around here try and avoid certs of compliance never mind BER certs, however if you are certifying the project and they need the BER cert

1. point out that you cannot certify compliance without the BER cert.

If you get the chance educate the Local solicitors in relation to BER's they'll start looking for them!!:D I've probably got a similar number of dwellings in the same boat and done a mail shot earlier in the year, I've got four or five signed up, another few humming and hawing a few not building yet and a few building away and not paying any heed. The fledgling BER assessors association seem to be looking for preliminary certs to be included with planning doccuments!!! a nice little earner if you can get it but I can't see it happening.

2. It should be made a condition of planning however that a copy of the BER cert is submitted to the LA on completion of e project & publication of the cert.

1. certifying 'compliance in regard to building regulations' is separate from certifying compliance in regards to SI 666.

2. This could work. The building control section is supposed to be the 'watchdog' on this.... so perhaps a condition of planning would work fine.

good idea and one worth investigating.

however, the BER association attenpt to have BERs included as part of an application is laughable... its shows a complete lack of understanding of the process. firstly, it would need a 'new planning act' legistaltion. secondly...
what weight does a generic BER have in regard to planning????
absolutely none!
there is no co-relation between planning and construction, therefore any construction specified at planning stage counts for nothing.

No6

sydthebeat wrote: »

however, the BER association attenpt ot have BERs included as part of an application is laughable... its shows a complete lack of understanding of the process. firstly, it would need a 'new planning act' legistaltion. secondly...
what weight does a generic BER have in regard to planning????
absolutely none!
there is no-colrelation between planning and construction, therefor eany construction specified at planning stage counts for nothing.

I think it is an attempt by the fledgeling association to boost it's members (of which I'm not one) income, since they're charging eur 150 to join they have to be seen to be doing something to justify it. Another scam to snare assessors's? the Jury is out.

fishfoodie

sinnerboy wrote: »

how many have you done ? :D

None, I am not a BER assessor

I'm just concerned that if when I go looking for a preliminary BER cert, I know that the person I get it from is competent to issue one. Note, I distinguish between qualified & competent.

topcatcbr

And so you should be as I know from experience training alongside some.
Maybee new SEI exam will change this.

No6

topcatcbr wrote: »

And so you should be as I know from experience training alongside some.
Maybee new SEI exam will change this.

Speaking of which any sign of the exam and the updated software. I see training companies are currently trying hard to extract another 500 or so euros for the training for the existing houses and when I asked them the same question I got a kind of no ish maybee sort of answer if you know what I mean!!!:rolleyes:

topcatcbr

I m in the same boat but i can give you a copy of appendix s if you want it.

topcatcbr

See Appendix S

Also see Deap Survey Form A4

No6

Thanks Topcatcbr!! Some light reading for me!!!:D Now if I can only get my hands on the exam sylabus I can set up a training company!!!:rolleyes:

topcatcbr

As for doing top up course id hold off. I did the HESS course which i think was the pilot course and there is not alot an Arch Tech can learn from this. Basically how to survey a home. Estimating the age of a home based amongst other things wall thickness construction type arch. styles. So save your money and do Exam straight off. Thats what i intend to do.

No6

I'm thinking along the same lines myself tobcatcbr, its getting past time to make some money from this energy rating stuff!!!

sinnerboy

Building Energy Ratings by grade
Energy Rating % Ratings
A1 0.05%
A2 0.14%
A3 7.47%
B1 18.38%
B2 40.06%
B3 24.42%
C1 7.01%
C2 1.25%
C3 0.46%
D1 0.60%
D2 0.14%
E1 0.00%
E2 0.00%
F 0.00%
G 0.00%

Building Energy Rating Assessors:
Number of Registered BER Assessors 789
Number of Certified Assessors (incl. registered assessors) 3,144

colorc

topcatcbr wrote: »

See Appendix S

Also see Deap Survey Form A4

Cheers for the info topcatcbr... I'm hoping to skip the training too and go straight to the exam... whenever they decide to have it

Smcgie

Hi Topcat, I'm not long after finishing the existing dwellings course.

I too thought the €500 was a money racket for the training company . But actually.... I thought the course was quite benificial. The course explained the new dwellings assessment very well.

I thought I new plenty and i wouldn't need to do the course , just sit the exam. But i think that unless your a very active assessor you might get away without doing the course. If not i think it €500 well spent.

BTW - I am in no way connected with a training company

colorc

Smcgie,
Who did you do the Existing dwellings course yet?? I thought the software for this course had not yet been established???

Smcgie

colorc wrote: »

Smcgie,
Who did you do the Existing dwellings course yet?? I thought the software for this course had not yet been established???

I've completed the course in Monaghan. The training company had a training version of the new software that they were not allowed to release. They took us through the course on this training version.

The Training version is the same as the new software (yet to be relesed) but SEI still have a few tweeks to do before they can release to all assessors.

Regards,
Shane

topcatcbr

Smcgie wrote: »

Hi Topcat, I'm not long after finishing the existing dwellings course.

I too thought the €500 was a money racket for the training company . But actually.... I thought the course was quite benificial. The course explained the new dwellings assessment very well.

I thought I new plenty and i wouldn't need to do the course , just sit the exam. But i think that unless your a very active assessor you might get away without doing the course. If not i think it €500 well spent.

BTW - I am in no way connected with a training company

Did You do the SEI Exam. As far as i know it is not out yet.
Until this has begun the value of doing another course will not be fully evident.

Is the new software very different from the current version.