Car buying advice for long distance commute

seclachi

Hey, Im looking around for a car for a long distance commute, it`ll probably average out about 50 miles each way, so I reckon maybe 25k over a year factoring in holidays and so on. So on with the questions.

-Petrol or diesel ? Which one would be more cost effective

-What would be best engine size bearing in mind I`ll be on national roads and therefore could require some welly to overtake artic lorries, but at the same time something that doesnt drink fuel like mad.

-Should I go for a large car like a VW Passat like a few people advised me, or something like a corolla or golf which would be more my inclination.

-Age vs miles on the clock, one person has suggested a 4-5 year old car with about 100k on the clock, should I aim for less milage on the clock considering I`ll be adding alot myself ?

-I`ll probably be spending around 10k ish, so any suggestions for cars around that price would be cool.

Cheers

Car-dealer

you should 100% look for a diesel car, with a bigger engine, something like a 1.9 or 2.2. litre - this is cope with the long distances better, so the diesel will do more miles per gallon.

I suggest a Saab 9-3 TiD Diesel - you get book 58.9 miles per gallon, but comonly around 50 mpg. They are also good value for money"

Kingser

Skoda Superb 1.9TDI.. Great cars one taxi driver i know has his in 200,000KM and running perfect. Gets serviced every 40,000KM.

pred racer

I do about 30k (miles) per year and imo, for long drives everyday you need a big car (bigger the better) as i find bigger cars less tiring to drive. Ive got a c5, 2.0 HDI 110HP, its as comfortable as driving a bed, the hydraulic suspension really makes a difference. It has plenty of welly, and I do between 6-700 miles on a full tank (about 75 quid at the moment)thats normal driving not driving miss daisy. Admittedly the road tax on it is a bit steep, but the newer ones have the same power out of a 1.6. and it does have a few citroen personality quirks :rolleyes:

sorry for the long post, but to summarise, big car(passat, mondeo etc), diesel engine 110HP+ after that use your own taste.

_Kaiser_

I do about 45 miles (minimum) a day and would echo the above. You'll want a big diesel - 1.9 or above.

My 06 2L (140 BHP) TDI Auto Passat fits the bill perfectly. Big car, comfortable, economical and well able for the mileage - she's serviced every 10k miles/15k km, and right now there's a lot of 2nd hand ones out there

Tip: go for the Comfortline - SE if a UK import - spec or better

gyppo

How about something halfway between a corolla and passat sizewise.

I'd look at a Seat Toledo tdi (the older model, not the current abomination). The 110 bhp model comes in the signum spec, has all the toys, is very economical, very comfortable, and is often overlooked, hence often good value for money.

The 110hp model has impressive mid range acceleration too, handy for overtaking.

Something like this, for example:
http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/SEAT/Toledo/TDI-2YR/1146760/

or

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/SEAT/Toledo/1.9TDI-Signo/1100770/

ninty9er

If you want a smaller car then I'd go for something like this in your shoes

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Audi/A3/2.0-TDI/1104011/

Dunno how far out of your budget that is, but I'd imagine there's at least €2k haggle in it.

Cicero

100 miles each day is a long commute so personally, I would choose the following factors, in the following order:

1. Comfort
2. Power (especially for overtaking and keeping sane on the road)
3 Reliability
4. Economy (MPG/Tax/Servicing etc)


Money is a big consideration for such a long commute- many 2 litre petrol cars will only give you approx 35MPG on the open road (some even less)- so your weekly petrol bill could be 80-90 Euro at current rates.

Saying that, for me, comfort is v.important if you are going to be in the car for that long everyday, (I don't have quite that commute but do spend enough time and milage commuting and also drive abroad) so I wouldn't rate economy that highly - a 100 mile commute is a 100 mile commute- its going to cost you, so budgeting down on other 'luxuries' is one thing you can do, if money is an issue- call it a personal tax and move on:)

Overtaking (safely) requires power- for me, overtaking on country roads or dual carraigeways can only be done with a good responsive engine (turbo or injection preferable)- I certainly find it keeps the stress levels down a bit.

After that, make sure you test drive whatever car you're thinking of, for a good run- not just a few minutes- remember, you'll be in it for at least 2.5 hours everyday

Good hunting

bazz26

I'd say the old Volvo S40 1.9 TD should be considered. It ticks alot of the OPs boxes. You should be able to pick up a 03/04 model with leather on your budget. Volvos tend to be very comfortable cruisers and while that 1.9 TD with 115bhp is an old Renault unit it is tried, tested and generally reliable.

Here is an example:
http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Volvo/S40/1.9D-115BHP/1198619/

jamesO

Not sure if anyone's mentioned it yet but don't forget cruise control and climate control their essential for high milage drivers yea as Kingser mentioned the Skoda Superb's are pritty good my mate's got 245k on his and still going strong.

jO

ninty9er

Oops just saw €10k budget there, my bad:rolleyes:

bbam

I've been doing a 110mile round trip to work for the last 13 years...
You need a diesel, no point in considering a petrol. I've used OH's car on occasions and the fuel bill goes silly...

I've been driving a Passat recently and have racked up about 140K on her. Very relyable, easy on fuel as it still does ~48mpg. Service cost is a little on the high side...

If I were going out with your budget I'd be looking at the Skoda Superb, like this.. http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Skoda/Superb/1.9-TDI/1170570/
Friend has changed from a passat to one and loves the increased comfort.. Lots of car for the money..

As others have said.. go for a bigger car, I've had a Renault 19 and VW Golf as well and the larger Passat makes life easier...

Matt Simis

bbam wrote: »

I've been doing a 110mile round trip to work for the last 13 years...
You need a diesel, no point in considering a petrol. I've used OH's car on occasions and the fuel bill goes silly...

I've been driving a Passat recently and have racked up about 140K on her. Very relyable, easy on fuel as it still does ~48mpg. Service cost is a little on the high side...

To be more specific, a petrol that does about 40mpg is the same cost to fuel as a 46mpg Diesel. A Toyota Camry 2.4 does that (maybe more) and ticks all the other boxes and costs around €8500ish for a 2002 model.

Passats= big car, o' rly? lol

stretchaq

Drive 700 miles a week!!!!! Audi A4 is the way to go for ya 130bhp, drive a 01 new sape one 130bhp, 123k on the clock never so much as a bulb blown great car!!!! you can pick em up fairly cheap now i know the price of my one is gone through the floor anyway

jamesO

That's looks a pritty clean one bbam.................

jO-))

HashSlinging

I'd go for the last prev A4 with the PD engine (115 Bhp) Keep the change for a remap, service, timing belt etc. These are mile munchiers, and I've seen them do 250k and are still going stong.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Audi/A4/TDI-red/1207722/

Biro

Cicero wrote: »

... a good responsive engine (turbo or injection preferable)-

I don't remember the last car to come without injection... it's a long time ago anyway!! Pre 1992 maybe?
Anyhoo... OP - 25k a year is probably around the point where a diesel starts to outweigh a petrol in overall economy. The fuel is more expensive, the car is more expensive, but the mpg is higher, so at around that figure that's probably beyond the break even point.
If you want a petrol, then I'd suggest a 2 litre Honda Accord, 2003 new shape should be attainable within your budget. However, if diesel, then the Accord will be just outside that, so I'd be looking at the Mondeo, Mazda 6 (despite the scare-mongering stories you'll find on here), and Superb (if you don't care about handling). I'd avoid old Audi's like were recommended above, you can do much better for your money. Avensis is another one, but they're typically expensive. Octavia is more of Golf in size, but isn't a bad buy, but if you're dropping to that class then also consider a Focus.

HashSlinging

Dont agree with you at all, the honda however good, the 2.0 VTEC is a drunk,I know having owed one in the past. Simply a town car for someone who would do little milage maybe 10k a year.

IMO for 6k the OP will have a very good car with great spec, (climate control, Pioneer cd and speaker upgrade) and an indestructible engine with decent performance, (an option for the OP would be a remap 150bhp). With a daily long run and possible need to over take a diesel is much more safer than a Petrol.

Biro

HashSlinging wrote: »

Dont agree with you at all, the honda however good, the 2.0 VTEC is a drunk,I know having owed one in the past. Simply a town car for someone who would do little milage maybe 10k a year.

IMO for 6k the OP will have a very good car with great spec, (climate control, Pioneer cd and speaker upgrade) and an indestructible engine with decent performance, (an option for the OP would be a remap 150bhp). With a daily long run and possible need to over take a diesel is much more safer than a Petrol.

With that level of kit chances are almost 100% it's in from the UK. In which case you may as well assume it has over a quarter of a million miles on it. And you're suggesting that the OP stresses the engine more by chipping it? It's the old engine, 150bhp is optimistic from that unit. And not to mention the cost of parts that'll inevitably wear out on the high mileage and old Audi (suspension problems anyone?).
OP, don't be daft and opt for a newer, lower mileage car like a Mondeo. Forget the over rated old A4.

R.O.R

Having spent the last 6 years commuting a similar distance to the OP I'd advise you to spend as little as possible because it will be worthless in 1-2 years at that mileage.

Best car I've had for commuting was a Mondeo 2.0Tddi 115ps Zetec. Put 40,000 miles on in just under 18 months. Running costs were 2 services and 6 tyres (front wear was a bit heavy, but that was probably just me). Increadibly comfortable as it could take 3 hours to get home some days so you need something which won't kill you. This was my car and it looks like the owner who bought it after I traded the car has really looked after it. http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Ford/Mondeo/2.0-TD/1220728/. 550 - 600 miles from a tank on long commutes.

Apart from that, the Volvo S40 1.9d looks good as the seats are really good in those and I've had good feedback from drivers regarding the overtaking ability. S40 would probably cost more to run than a Mondeo.

A/C is essential for the 3 sunny days a year when you aren't moving in traffic, don't even consider something without.

EDIT: I'd also make sure whatever you buy has Lumbar Support, because your back is going ache after that length of time in the car

cashmni1

if its comfort you are after with great mpg the French diesel cars are hard to beat.
You could pick up a Peugeot 406 rapier with low miles for cheap.
I used to drive a Peugeot 406 HDI and I now drive a VW Passat. There is simply no comparison between the 2. The Peugeot was a counrty mile ahead of the vw for comfort and handling. I cannot emphasise this enough!!
Happy hunting.

Matt Simis

Biro wrote: »

With that level of kit chances are almost 100% it's in from the UK. In which case you may as well assume it has over a quarter of a million miles on it.

Dont get that at all. Why would you assume a car from the UK has lotsa mileage anymore than our own cars, which are so poorly tracked (by legislation and garage service) by comparison.

stretchaq

HashSlinging wrote: »

I'd go for the last prev A4 with the PD engine (115 Bhp) Keep the change for a remap, service, timing belt etc. These are mile munchiers, and I've seen them do 250k and are still going stong.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Audi/A4/TDI-red/1207722/

how could anybody reccomend that old Audi A4 for €6700 (115bhp) thats just crazy money, would sell my one for €8750

2001 new model 130bhp know wat i would be doin

BrianD3

Agree with cashmni1, also consider previous model Citroen C5 or Renault Laguna. Like this one owner facelift 05 Laguna 1.9 Dci (think it's 130 bhp) Asking price 7k, ad says it has FSH.
http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Renault/Laguna/1.9-DCI/1222762/

Haggle and check warranty etc. Value for money, comfort, engine refinement, noise insulation (all important for a long commute) of both of these cars is noticably better than many of the suggestions in the thread.

Cars such as 2nd hand Audi A4 TDis are frankly an absurd price. Check out carzone asking prices for 7 or 8 year old examples with 150+ k miles on them. Most will have had multiple uncaring owners at this stage and and have been "horsed". Any with low mileage are suspicious from a clocking point of view. Similar comments would apply to previous model Passats which BTW are old hat, a mid nineties design just like the previous model Volvo S40.

Climate Expert

Diesel is about 5% dearer than petrol so I think you are a bit out with your 40 and 46mpg being equivalent.

I'd go with a Passat or a Superb. You should get one for that money no problem, the Superb being the more comfortable.

seclachi

Thanks for all the pointers everybody, I think a big car is the way to go alright, my brother is pretty much in the same boat as me at the moment and he drives a large diesel car.

R.O.R wrote: »

Having spent the last 6 years commuting a similar distance to the OP I'd advise you to spend as little as possible because it will be worthless in 1-2 years at that mileage.

I agree here, looking on carzone the price of these types of cars really plumments after a short while. Ill probably drive one for a few years and then see how much I can squeeze out of a dealer when its fla`d.

Are the skoda supurbs based on an volkswagen engine by anychance ? I remember something about a buyout a few years back..

Climate Expert

The Superb is just a slightly bigger Passat.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Skoda/Superb/tdi-130bhp/1223541/

Do not buy an Audi A4. Smaller and overpriced.

HashSlinging

Biro wrote: »

With that level of kit chances are almost 100% it's in from the UK. In which case you may as well assume it has over a quarter of a million miles on it. And you're suggesting that the OP stresses the engine more by chipping it? It's the old engine, 150bhp is optimistic from that unit. And not to mention the cost of parts that'll inevitably wear out on the high mileage and old Audi (suspension problems anyone?).
OP, don't be daft and opt for a newer, lower mileage car like a Mondeo. Forget the over rated old A4.

150bhp is possible, I didn’t suggest the OP remap the engine I said it was possible.

So according to you, an Audi will wear out with that type of mileage before any other car..

As mentioned before the op should spend as little as possible on a car and factor in maintenance. Spending 6k on a trusted make should leave plenty in the kitty for maintenance, whatever comes up.

stretchaq thats a good price for your car any links ?

HashSlinging

BrianD3 wrote: »

Cars such as 2nd hand Audi A4 TDis are frankly an absurd price. Check out carzone asking prices for 7 or 8 year old examples with 150+ k miles on them. Most will have had multiple uncaring owners at this stage and and have been "horsed". Any with low mileage are suspicious from a clocking point of view. Similar comments would apply to previous model Passats which BTW are old hat, a mid nineties design just like the previous model Volvo S40.

I agree the op should really be looking at the likes of this.

http://tinyurl.com/437698

Diesel Low mileage etc

seclachi

HashSlinging wrote: »

I agree the op should really be looking at the likes of this.

http://tinyurl.com/437698

Diesel Low mileage etc

Lol, thats a bit too farmer chic for me.

Climate Expert

HashSlinging wrote: »

I agree the op should really be looking at the likes of this.

http://tinyurl.com/437698

Diesel Low mileage etc

What a horrible place to spend a huge amount of your working week in. Typical motors suggestion.

Biro

HashSlinging wrote: »

150bhp is possible, I didn’t suggest the OP remap the engine I said it was possible.

So according to you, an Audi will wear out with that type of mileage before any other car..

Sure chipping is possible in any car. But only VAG heads talk about it.
I didn't say the Audi will wear out quicker than any other car with specific mileage, (apart from the known suspension issues), I meant that for 10k the OP would get a car that a badge snob wouldn't suggest with far less mileage.

stretchaq

HashSlinging wrote: »

150bhp is possible, I didn’t suggest the OP remap the engine I said it was possible.

So according to you, an Audi will wear out with that type of mileage before any other car..

As mentioned before the op should spend as little as possible on a car and factor in maintenance. Spending 6k on a trusted make should leave plenty in the kitty for maintenance, whatever comes up.

stretchaq thats a good price for your car any links ?

PM sent
http://www.carlist.ie/vehicles/view/55632-audi-a4-wexford?r=/vehicles/108,109,966/*/*/*/flat/

link as requested

HashSlinging

Biro wrote: »

Sure chipping is possible in any car. But only VAG heads talk about it.
I didn't say the Audi will wear out quicker than any other car with specific mileage, (apart from the known suspension issues), I meant that for 10k the OP would get a car that a badge snob wouldn't suggest with far less mileage.

Oh right im being called a "badge snob" by someone who suggested another "badge" LOL hypocrite.. want some salt for that chip..I've owned Honda's, Toyota's, Opels, VW, and currently own a SEAT. Be careful I might just take that as a compliment. Never owned a Audi in my life.

People seem to have a lot of faith in that model, and I know the 115 PD engine is very good, but slightly underpowered compared to modern ones hence the remap suggestion.

Whatever you decide on OP its certainly a great time to have 10k to spend on a car, plenty of choice out there.

I would love this, being a commuter myself its wishful thinking.

http://tinyurl.com/5series

andrewdeerpark

My suggestion is the Renault Megane 1.5 diesel.

They are comfortable dirt cheap and really economical. Electrics can give issues however the last couple of years ones have that sorted.

Stay away from Audi overpriced and VW are also slightly overrated

If going VW buy a Passat better value than a Golf. Whatever it is about the Golf is holds its value far better than a Passat and is no great shakes of a car....

Biro

HashSlinging wrote: »

Oh right im being called a "badge snob" by someone who suggested another "badge" LOL hypocrite.. want some salt for that chip..I've owned Honda's, Toyota's, Opels, VW, and currently own a SEAT. Be careful I might just take that as a compliment. Never owned a Audi in my life.

People seem to have a lot of faith in that model, and I know the 115 PD engine is very good, but slightly underpowered compared to modern ones hence the remap suggestion.

Whatever you decide on OP its certainly a great time to have 10k to spend on a car, plenty of choice out there.

I would love this, being a commuter myself its wishful thinking.

http://tinyurl.com/5series

Sorry, but where did I call you a badge snob?

bbam

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

My suggestion is the Renault Megane 1.5 diesel.

This might be a bit underpowered... better to have 110/130bhp under the right foot when running these long journeys every day.
I've tried my bro's 1.6 307 and to be honest compared to my 99' passat I felt I was having to "trash" it alot to keep with the traffic on the N3..:(

Cicero

At this stage I'm bored by the imaturity of some of the posts here- the original poster- Seclachi- asked a simple question in relation to what car for a long commute- a simple request you would think, and one that in the early posts, was pretty much constructive.

It has turned into a totally immature back-bitting competition (due to the intervention of a certain few) that has wavered so far off the subject that it's pointless- even my own simple contribution was attacked in terms of my short reference to injection engines ..for the record, Biro I think this link clarifies my point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection

If you have a different opinion, then go ahead and state it- but don't start attacking and putting down all others in the process- I have personally found Passats unconfortable, therefore would never consider buying one but that's me.
For me,all of the other cars have merits but at the end of the day, it is the personal choice of Seclachi to decide. If I had posted the original thread, I would be totally bemused at the pathetic level this thread has dropped to.
Seclachi...ever considered a motorbike...or moving abroad?? so much easier!!

jamesO

Well gettin back to the point I do around 80k a year and always buy a 100,110 or a 115 bhp car and have it remapped, its much better value than shellin out extra for a red DI etc, with easy driving you'll get about 10% extra in fuel.jO

derry

My Brother chose to rent a car for a year before buying

Slightly different in that he was shopping for a new car

2006 Rent cost monthly rates costs 16 Eros a day before VAT or about 20 euros day ( except august and chritmas week which was three times higher)

He rented for the year except August when he went on holiday and rented in spain and other periods used wives car

Worked out at 5600 euros exclucing VAT a 11 month year


After he bought in jan 2007 a KIA 7 seater thingy 2 liter petrol for 27,000

If he get say 15000 for it trading in in 2009 the bigger car to replace at say 27000 would mean costs of 7500 a year not including insurance tax etc

But for my brother the nature of his reqirements with big teens means thats he hasnt a real choice on these costs

The reason I mention this is if the commute is vital as in work replacement car costs while second hand car is broken down has to factored in

My Brother other car (wifes car) 1999 Volvo V40 replacement clutch at 80k miles cost 1000 euros and car was down for several days so they had to for a few days hire a replacement car also

I do a lot of tempory contract work which has no security but so far haven't had to do any outside of main trainline routes so i use the train

If a contract came from outside train routes and was long commute i would most likely opt to do car rental annd mothball my 1998 suziki swift runabout is to clapped out for long commuting even though at 60MPH it get about ~55 MPG on the motor ways

Really 25000 miles per year is marginal the differences between diesel v petrol

If its vital to do large commutes and the job is secure like civil service then its often a no brainer to buy new even with loans and replce car every few years as there is less suprises in running costs and 50,000 mile two year old cars get OK prices for trade in for another new one


Or if work is not secure like agency work than rental often is the best solution so if work stps just stop renting

Derry