RTE - Man Utd as usual!

gscully

For the last three seasons (at least), our national station has chosen to show all of Man Utd's champions league matches live. Tonight, they show them playing away to Aalborg! At the same time, Celtic play Villareal and Arsenal entertain Porto - both games infinitely more appealing.

What is their obsession with Utd? Even their own panelists said last year how much they would love to be watching the Arsenal games instead.

As a TV licence payer, can I not be entitled to expect some diversity from RTE? By not showing Celtic tonight, they can't have us believe it's a question of demographics.

I'm seriously fed up of having to access the Arsenal games on ITV4!

Xavi6

I would have the answer is pretty simple - there a more United fans than Arsenal or Celtic so tv ratings will be higher.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

YEW NIE TED
YEW NIE TED

tbh

meditraitor

Xavi6 wrote: »

I would have the answer is pretty simple - there a more United fans than Arsenal or Celtic so tv ratings will be higher.

And this in turn means they can charge more for the advertising which results in them having more money to bid for the television rights to the games.;)

Dodge

gscully wrote: »

As a TV licence payer, can I not be entitled to expect some diversity from RTE?

Yes, your Irish Tv license entitles you to watch one British team play a Danish team instead of another British team playing a Spanish side

Mossy Monk

gscully wrote: »

For the last three seasons (at least), our national station has chosen to show all of Man Utd's champions league matches live. Tonight, they show them playing away to Aalborg! At the same time, Celtic play Villareal and Arsenal entertain Porto - both games infinitely more appealing.

What is their obsession with Utd? Even their own panelists said last year how much they would love to be watching the Arsenal games instead.

As a TV licence payer, can I not be entitled to expect some diversity from RTE? By not showing Celtic tonight, they can't have us believe it's a question of demographics.

I'm seriously fed up of having to access the Arsenal games on ITV4!

Although I agree with you. At least you can watch the Arsenal match for free.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

This all depends: are RTE sporting journalists (in which case, they're oblighed to remain neutral) or are they giving prefernetial treatment to one club (in which case, they need a better explanation for their bias than "it brings in more revenue").

I'll only accept the arguments in the posts above when only Man United fans have to pay the licence.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

(in which case, they need a better explanation than "it brings in more revenue").

why?
surely that's the best explanation for any television station.

gscully

Mordeth wrote: »

why?
surely that's the best explanation for any television station.

When it comes to the premier league, Sky and Setanta diversify their coverage, while in the FA cup, the BBC would often show non-league teams play.

The fact is that RTE are not playing fair. I don't believe there are more Utd fans than Celtic fans in Ireland. That may well have been the case back in the 80s when everyone was either Utd or Liverpool (as an Arsenal fan, I had to choose one or the other in street football matches), but nowadays, you can walk down the street and see guys wearing shirts from any number of teams.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

exactly, you probably have a few thosuand more newcastle supporters and a few thousand more spurs supporters but a small number of new fans for other teams would only take a small amount away from the huge base UTD has here.

Hoover

It's all about revenue and surely showing the the Champions league holders, MANCHESTER UTD will generate more income than other lesser appealing teams .

Mitch Connor

gscully wrote: »

When it comes to the premier league, Sky and Setanta diversify their coverage, while in the FA cup, the BBC would often show non-league teams play.

The fact is that RTE are not playing fair. I don't believe there are more Utd fans than Celtic fans in Ireland. That may well have been the case back in the 80s when everyone was either Utd or Liverpool (as an Arsenal fan, I had to choose one or the other in street football matches), but nowadays, you can walk down the street and see guys wearing shirts from any number of teams.

Sky and Setanta diversify because they HAVE to. Maybe it is not the only reason but the fact remains that it is in the contract agreements they sign that every premiership club has to be shown on TV a minimum number of times during the season. Also, if they didn't show the other teams, those fans would be less likely to buy a Sky Sports/Setanta Sub.

As for tonight, I'm delighted they are not showing the Arsenal game anyway - as that can be seen for free on ITV. Also, Sky Sports aren't showing the United game (they are showing the Celtic game) so for tonight they are the only station showing the United game.

In general though, I would like to see more variety from them, maybe base their calls on ITV, so that both stations don't show the same game. Always annoys me when they show the same match, as the vast majority of the viewing public will have access to both channels.

BaZmO*

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

This all depends: are RTE sporting journalists (in which case, they're oblighed to remain neutral) or are they giving prefernetial treatment to one club (in which case, they need a better explanation for their bias than "it brings in more revenue").

Why do they need explain it? The reason is quite clear.
Yes RTE is partly state funded but not to the extent the BBC is where they can show first round FA Cup matches featuring lower league teams during prime time.
RTE have to play to viewing figures to increase revenue, simple as.

Xavi6

gscully wrote: »

When it comes to the premier league, Sky and Setanta diversify their coverage, while in the FA cup, the BBC would often show non-league teams play.

The BBC only show non-league teams when they rearrange the games to kick off at lunch time on a Saturday or Sunday. They would never show Kidderminster vs Derby at the same time United vs West Ham was on.

The fact is that RTE are not playing fair. I don't believe there are more Utd fans than Celtic fans in Ireland. That may well have been the case back in the 80s when everyone was either Utd or Liverpool (as an Arsenal fan, I had to choose one or the other in street football matches), but nowadays, you can walk down the street and see guys wearing shirts from any number of teams.

Why should RTE play fair?

And I believe there are more proper United fans than proper Celtic fans. Just cause Anto and Jonner walk down O'Connell Street in Celtic shirts doesn't mean they actually sit down and watch the games. It's part of the 'uniform' at this stage.

Pigman II

Plus the lads in the studio (Beeeeeeeel, Dunphy and the rest) don't really know much about any other team in the world apart from Man United so it wouldn't make for a lively discussion if someone else was playing. Sure, they practically know nothing about Ireland other champions league qualified team Liverpool - and they play just 130 miles away!.

dubmick

Tauren wrote: »

As for tonight, I'm delighted they are not showing the Arsenal game anyway - as that can be seen for free on ITV. Also, Sky Sports aren't showing the United game (they are showing the Celtic game) so for tonight they are the only station showing the United game.

I think the United game is on ITV4 too

Mitch Connor

dubmick wrote: »

I think the United game is on ITV4 too

oh yeah, forgot about that. Is ITV4 freely available? I have it tuned in on my sky box, but could people on cable packages get it?

iseegirls

BaZmO* wrote: »

Why do they need explain it? The reason is quite clear.
Yes RTE is partly state funded but not to the extent the BBC is where they can show first round FA Cup matches featuring lower league teams during prime time.
RTE have to play to viewing figures to increase revenue, simple as.

i Don't agree - ITV (who just rely totally on commercial revenue) are showing the Arsenal game tonight. Probably down to the point that it will be a much more competitive match that the United match.

I'd like to know who's going to stay with RTE if United are hammering them 4-0 at half time. That match really looks like a one-sided game. And don't forget some people don't have access to ITV still so they'll not have the option.

So what's the betting that Celtic and Arsenal will be ignored for the next four matchdays due to Manchester United being played. It's ridiculous!!!:mad:

joe123

iseegirls wrote: »

i Don't agree - ITV (who just rely totally on commercial revenue) are showing the Arsenal game tonight. Probably down to the point that it will be a much more competitive match that the United match.

I'd like to know who's going to stay with RTE if United are hammering them 4-0 at half time. That match really looks like a one-sided game. And don't forget some people don't have access to ITV still so they'll not have the option.

So what's the betting that Celtic and Arsenal will be ignored for the next four matchdays due to Manchester United being played. It's ridiculous!!!:mad:

Your forgetting that itv are english based...therefore would have alot more arsenal fans than rte would in Ireland.

Its simple. In Ireland Man United have prefrence closely followed by Liverpool. Alot of the celtic support in Ireland arent real fans and therefore would never bother to watch Celtic unless it was an AC Milan or a Barcelona.

matrim

This really bugs me too. They always show Liverpool \ United matches ahead of Arsenal and to a lesser extent Chelsea. This is despite the opposition.

As a fan of none of the champions league teams I'd much perfer to watch Arsenal vs Proto instead of United vs Aalborg. As the match will be of better quality.

As for the excuse of there being more United than Arsenal fans, surely there are more fans of all the other teams who just want to watch the best match that is on that night, than there are united fans.

SEPT 23 1989

there are far more people in the Republic supporting football teams other than the Salford Red Sox but this is RTE were talking about.

Pigman II

matrim wrote: »

This really bugs me too. They always show Liverpool \ United matches ahead of Arsenal and to a lesser extent Chelsea.

Agreed. Our state sponsor should consider dividing up the midweek screenings of British teams a bit more evenly in the interest of fairness.

In fact I feel that British team Keltic are sometimes forgotten in the mix by RTE because there's people at montrose who incorrectly presume them to be an Irish club.

TarfHead

gscully wrote: »

By not showing Celtic tonight, they can't have us believe it's a question of demographics.

I doubt that RTE earn much from advertising Dutch Gold & ARGOS sovereign rings during games involving Celtic

Dodge

matrim wrote: »

As a fan of none of the champions league teams I'd much perfer to watch Arsenal vs Proto instead of United vs Aalborg. As the match will be of better quality.

I'd prefer to watch Bayern v Lyon. Easily the biggest game of the night. But I'll miss most of it as I'll be on my way home from the UEFA Cup game in Dublin tonight.

dubmick

the thanks function really isn't working is it? Someone says something funny / smart / self righteous and people say thanks?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

So the question remains unanaswered:

Are sporting journalists required to be neutral? Need a poll!

Mr. Presentable

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So the question remains unanaswered:

Are sporting journalists required to be neutral? Need a poll!

No!

Mr. Presentable

Dodge wrote: »

I'd prefer to watch Bayern v Lyon. Easily the biggest game of the night. But I'll miss most of it as I'll be on my way home from the UEFA Cup game in Dublin tonight.

Good game too!

Top game tonight must be Bate v Juventus. Juve coming from 2-0 down to draw level in a very attacking game. RTE must alienate more viewers by showing Man U than they attract - I wouldn't sully my eyes with them - so the old revenue argument doesn't hold up, unless the ads at half time are for panty pads and Ritz

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

nipplenuts wrote: »

No!

.....because.....?? This isn't the Junior Cert, you do actually have to provide backup here!

Mr. Presentable

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

.....because.....?? This isn't the Junior Cert, you do actually have to provide backup here!

Hhehehe. They are only required to report. There is no neutrality required, that's why you have some who are less reliable than others for match reports.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

nipplenuts wrote: »

Hhehehe. They are only required to report. There is no neutrality required, that's why you have some who are less reliable than others for match reports.

Eh? "Report"? I;ve have thought reporting would require more neutrality than sports journalism!

avillan

sometimes the post match analysis better than the match .dunphy for match of the day !break the shearer lineker monotony

kraggy

Mordeth wrote: »

why?
surely that's the best explanation for any television station.

Not when they are the State broadcaster. That comes with responsibilities.

They got a slap on the wrist for chasing ratings earlier in the year. Their mandate is to service the diverse needs of the country, not to make money.

Dodge

kraggy wrote: »

Their mandate is to service the diverse needs of the country, not to make money.

And the diversity in the country amounts to which British team you support? :rolleyes:

kraggy

Dodge wrote: »

And the diversity in the country amounts to which British team you support? :rolleyes:

What's with rolleyes?

Yes as a matter of fact. There is a demand for watching games that involve a variety of British teams on Irish television but RTE aren't splitting the air time fairly.

Believe me, I wish they were showing and thus financially supporting Galway Utd every week but they're not.

mayordenis

Mordeth wrote: »

why?
surely that's the best explanation for any television station.

you see if we didn't pay to run this tv station then you couldn't question the choice - but as we do pay for it they should offer more of a mix in my opinion

EamonnKeane

Mordeth wrote: »

why?
surely that's the best explanation for any television station.

Any COMMERCIAL station. RTÉ's brief is to serve the public interest. If there are 3 United fans for every Arsenal fan, they should show 1 in 4 Arsenal games,

Dodge

kraggy wrote: »

Yes as a matter of fact. There is a demand for watching games that involve a variety of British teams on Irish television but RTE aren't splitting the air time fairly

So you're saying they should base it on demand, or based on fairness? Make up your mind

Honest to god, have people nothing more to worry about. Its been explained plenty of times to you all. RTE show whatever they think will get most revenue. Fairness and your own bias have nothing to do with it, and the fact some of you think the champions league rights are a public service shows how warped the view of football is with some

MisterAnarchy

The red button on Sky Sports is a godsend.
Can watch the best footballing sides in Europe as opposed to being limited to the greatness that is the Premiership.:rolleyes:

Galvasean

I wonder do RTE ever take neutral fans into account? No neutral football fan would rather watch Aalborg V United (a very poor team trying to keep scorelines respectable against a much stronger side) than Arsenal V Porto (two teams renowned for playing attractive style of football).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Galvasean wrote: »

I wonder do RTE ever take neutral fans into account? No neutral football fan would rather watch Aalborg V United (a very poor team trying to keep scorelines respectable against a much stronger side) than Arsenal V Porto (two teams renowned for playing attractive style of football).

As it turns out, the Arsenal game was more one-sided. If I'd been there, I'd have prefered to see the Celtic games.

Of course, life gets a little easier in the next few weeks when Celtic play United back to back.

Thank **** for streamed online TV!

limerick-kev24

This thread is just for people who are obviously jealous of Manchester uniteds success-nobody would complain if it was liverpool and marseille or celtic and alborg.

Why should rte think of the neutral fans? They are showed a game that would have generated a lot more interest than a celtic or arsenal match therefore generating more revenue, surely you dont think they sit in an office and worry what u guys are thinking!!!1

BaZmO*

Dodge wrote: »

So you're saying they should base it on demand, or based on fairness? Make up your mind

Honest to god, have people nothing more to worry about. Its been explained plenty of times to you all. RTE show whatever they think will get most revenue. Fairness and your own bias have nothing to do with it, and the fact some of you think the champions league rights are a public service shows how warped the view of football is with some

Exactly. Showing English football on Irish TV is no more different than RTE showing an American drama series. You wouldn't have people complaining if RTE were showing Sopranos instead of Lost if it was proven that Sopranos got the bigger ratings, although mind you it's Ireland so you probably would.

MOH

limerick-kev24 wrote: »

This thread is just for people who are obviously jealous of Manchester uniteds success-nobody would complain if it was liverpool and marseille or celtic and alborg.

They would if it was 3 years of constantly showing Liverpool, or Celtic.

Why should rte think of the neutral fans? They are showed a game that would have generated a lot more interest than a celtic or arsenal match therefore generating more revenue, surely you dont think they sit in an office and worry what u guys are thinking!!!1

There's a large number of people who support Man United. there's also a large number who support Liverpool, Arsenal, Celtic and other teams.
Then there's quite a lot of people who just like watching good matches, without any allegiance to a particular time.

There's no way that United fans outnumber all the other groups combined.

Before the game, on paper, there's no way the Aalborg-United game was going to be better television than Arsenal-Porto. Even Villareal-Celtic looked like a better competitive match.

I watched the United and Arsenal games side-by-side on two big screens, and I know while both were fairly one sided, at least Porto made something of a game of it in the first half. And there was far better football from both sides than in the United game. If ITV was as readily available as RTE (without having to jump through hoops on the Sky platform), a large number of people would have been watching ITV.

RTE shouldn't be just about making money, they should be providing entertainment.

There's no way a decision to show Aalborg-United can be justified as an unbiased decision to show the most entertaining match with the widest interest.

Mossy Monk

limerick-kev24 wrote: »

This thread is just for people who are obviously jealous of Manchester uniteds success

Well done. You win the prize.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

limerick-kev24 wrote: »

This thread is just for people who are obviously jealous of Manchester uniteds success-nobody would complain if it was liverpool and marseille or celtic and alborg.

You do realise Liverpool have been more suiuccessful in the CL that United over the last four or five years...?

limerick-kev24

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Well done. You win the prize.

what a twat......

limerick-kev24

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You do realise Liverpool have been more suiuccessful in the CL that United over the last four years...?

And your point?
When i said uniteds success, i meant domestically as well as in the european league, and im sure any honest liverpool fan would give up there "succesful 4 years" for one premiership title :P

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

limerick-kev24 wrote: »

And your point?
When i said uniteds success, i meant domestically as well as in the european league, and im sure any honest liverpool fan would give up there "succesful 4 years" for one premiership title :P

I assumed you were making the point that is was valid of RTE to show the competition's most successful competitors, which in this case is not Man United. My poit should be self-explanatory as it stands.

This thread is nothing to do with Liverpool fans/Man United fans or the Premiership.

elshambo

limerick-kev24 wrote: »

And your point?
When i said uniteds success, i meant domestically as well as in the european league, and im sure any honest liverpool fan would give up there "succesful 4 years" for one premiership title :P

To the best of my knowledge no english club has ever won the League Of Ireland

For all the good coverage and as much as it is good to see the team you support playing in europe, there were better games they could have shown last night and any manU fan I know who knows anything about football would not have minded

Mossy Monk

limerick-kev24 wrote: »

what a twat......

I could never say such a thing.