Heroes 3x03 "One of Us, One of Them" **SPOILERS**

Overheal

Poll up. Im tired and I liked it. Sylar was good here.

The one thing I didn't like

Dude's banshee power? A let down. HRG was like omz you dont want to know it is so unthinkable omg he could pwn some noobz and then it turns out to be loud noises? I was hoping for some serious mad power like, stuff.

By the way how exactly does Peter end up in dude's body anyway? That one confused me.

tetsujin1979

For a show that prided itself on being so smart in the first series, this is starting to open more plot holes than anything else
Claire's real mom burned out all the oxygen in the container, and Claire nearly passed out, yet Claire's mom was fine?
FuturePeter saved CurrentPeter in the bank, but left Noah to face the 3 powerful villains, and Sylar?
Also, FuturePeter was willing to kill CurrentNathan, his own brother, to stop him from revealing the existence of people with powers, but he'll leave a bank filled with witnesses to watch Pyro, Magneto and Banshee do their thing?
As stated, Noah said that Claire "didn't want to know" what they guy CurrentPeter was possessing could do. Turns out it's Banshee's ability to yell really loudly?
If Pyro could be stopped with one bullet, why didn't Noah kill him the first time he was captured? Or all the time he was in Level 5?
Sylar is a known mass-murderer, but his mommy loves him enough to send him out in the field with one of their top men, with no training?
Noah's already captured Sylar once, surely that means he already has some idea of his weakness?

ShaneU

Yeah the Banshee thing was really meh, I thought he would shoot bullets out of his arse or something cool like that.

Overheal wrote: »

By the way how exactly does Peter end up in dude's body anyway? That one confused me.

Future Peter put him there.

tetsujin1979

Something else occured to me, if Angela Petrelli can see (or at least dream) the future, surely she knows that at some point, Sylar kills Nathan. And she still trusts him enough to give him a job at the Company??

Overheal

She gets premonitions/dreams. Its probably about as clear as any of the painters we have seen (possibly more refined given her age)

When FuturePeter froze time there, it felt like one of those scenes in Half Life where the gman shows up for a chat.

Mossy Monk

One thing that struck me while watching the episode is Claires head is huge.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Sylar and HRG as partners - good stuff.
Sweaty Claire - a 10 on the wrister scale - awesome.
The whole Tracey/Niki/Jessica/Gina storyline - dunno what's going on, but I like it.
No Mohinder or Maya this episode - just the way I like it.
Hiro & Ando storyline is a bit ridiculous - all other characters maturing, but these guys are more childish than ever.
Peter - still Emo - Eugh!
Matt - who cares?
Nathan - give him a storyline for the love of God. He's the most background main charachter I've ever seen.
Angela Petrelli - creepy.
No Elle - was hoping herself, Claire and Tracey could all be sweaty together.

abelard

A quick pause in last week's episode instantly revealed what the guy's power was, so I wasn't expecting anything more than his vocal forcewave thing!

Surprised how quickly the whole thing was wrapped up with the four escapees actually. I thought it would be a longer arc during the series.

Entertaining as usual, though with a few plotholes as mentioned above that annoy me rather than really spoil the fun. Still too early to see where it's all going, but it sheould be a decent season if nothing remarkable.

And for what it's worth, I think Angela Petrelli is lying to Sylar to use him for her own ends.

Best part of the whole thing definitely Sylar/Noah together.

Oh, and, potentially interesting new plot thread with Tracy and Dr. Zimmerman.

Holsten

Very meh... deffo doesn't have the same draw as the first and second seasons.

Lack of powers... it's a show about superpowers... show some!

Sylar teaming up with Noah.. while cool, is stupid... like why didnt he just kill Noah, kill the ma, nick her powers, kill the rest of the dudes.. etc.. he has a 'hunger' for powers doesn't he?!

20 Times 20 Times

I'm still holding out that Noah has some amazing power. It just doesnt make sense that he does things by chance.Sylar I enjoyed in this episode. I think the new polt with him and Noah is going to work wonders. I'm actually back enjoying it again , but with heroes that can all change with next weeks episode. Oh by the way , what a pain it was to watch the episode with a 5 second voice lag

J-blk

Was pretty average IMO. Biggest letdown like most here have said was the "OMG you don't wanna know" super-villain's power. I also wondered about Claire's mom - ok, her power makes her immune to flames but why would that also give her the ability to survive without oxygen?

And what was that with Parkman? The African guy's walkman imbues future painting powers?

Why did Angela give Sylar a "snack" in the first place, letting him butcher that girl in his cell, than lock him back up for killing one of the baddies?

The main problem with this show is that it keeps building things up ("save the world!", "OMG terrible powers", etc) and the conclusion of each such story line is a massive letdown...

Basq

The prospect of Sylar and Noah working together could have been fantastic.... who'd have thought it'd be so dull?!

Also is Peter so in adoration of himself that every time he walks past a mirror or window he needs to look at his reflection, and the need to see the fact he's actually in "Weevil from Veronica Mars's" body? We got it the first time.. we don't need to see it 3 times in the course of an episode. Twice in 30 seconds alone.

Another week.. another meh!

ixoy

basquille wrote: »

Also is Peter so in adoration of himself that every time he walks past a mirror or window he needs to look at his reflection, and the need to see the fact he's actually in "Weevil from Veronica Mars's" body?

I took that as a reminder for the thick element of the audience, in case they didn't get it. Which is why they showed us Peter all the time instead of being braver and let Weevil be on screen the full time.

I enjoyed the first two, but not this. I really hope Sylar wasn't given up for adoption - it's far too much like a soap opera, especially since it seems Nikki had an unknown twin (sheesh). With Nathan being Claire's father as well, we should maybe just move the action to Summer Bay and put them up against Alf Stewart...

So then: What year is Matt stuck in? Anyone want to guess? I'm thinking the 1980s/early '90s, going by the walkman. His comment on Britney Spears was just some flash of the future, a red herring.

Mr.Nice Guy

Just watched it now and I must say I've enjoyed the start to the season. Very action-packed.

The only major gripe I have is Parkman as he's such a geek.

Agamemnon

In keeping with the X-Men references, it looks like Tracy Strauss is Madelyne Pryor. They'll have to bring Stan Lee back for another cameo to make up for all the shameless borrowing. I'll bet Dr. Zimmerman learned his trade in the concentration camps too.

Claire's container scene left me hot, sweaty, panting and blind in one eye. More of this please.

I like the way it's going this season - it's fast-paced and the plot is getting enjoyably daft. I grew up reading Marvel comics and they made me the man I am today rotted my mind beyond repair, so it's pleasingly familiar.

Kinetic^

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The only major gripe I have is Parkman as he's such a geek.

Yeah I'm not a fan of him either tbh, lame ass power as well.

ShaneU

Sarge wrote: »

I'm still holding out that Noah has some amazing power. It just doesnt make sense that he does things by chance.

Doesn't he have telekenisis?

Spider_Baby!

No Mohinder, does that mean next weeks episode is all gonna be about him?? He is basically spiderman now (without the jizz from his wrist), am i right?

Basq

Spider_Baby! wrote: »

He is basically spiderman now (without the jizz from his wrist), am i right?

The flesh / skin on his back being shed in last week's episode seemed like more than a nod to 'The Fly'...

tvnutz

Don't people listen? We were told last week what Jesse's power was,the banshee type power,why was anyone expecting something bigger?

Fairly meh episode indeed,Sylar and Noah could have been much better,but Sylar is still a great character.

I never liked Nikki and her split personality etc,but I am liking Tracy Strauss,seems like they were all some kind of clones or something,infused with powers.

5/10

Overheal

parkman's just in the present in Africa ixoy. You know how long it takes stuff like movies and episodes of heores to reach europe? yeah. imagine how africa feels.

judging from past golden rules in Heroes, it was truthful when Ma Petrelli told Sylar she was his mother. She's an enigmatic old woman, but she's not a liar. Even if she is: as Sylar says, arent you just curious to see how it will all play out?

Theres nothing that would lead me to believe Noah has a power. Its simply a weakness on the part of the producers to contrast the Heroes cast against enough regular people that would prop them up and make them seem extraordinary. about 9/10 of the characters on this show have powers. All in all though the very thing that makes Noah such a great character is that hes not a hero. to give him a power would be cheap, and would definitely wash the strength of the character.

In general? I still hold this show to its very opening words: This Doesnt Happen Overnight. And like we've learned with some other good television series, Heroes will slam into its prime in its 4th or 5th volume, during which time we will finally see some truly epic x-men ****. This will be right around the time it gets cancelled for low ratings and its box sets end up in a bargain bin next to Firefly and Stargate Atlantis.

Jay Ru

basquille wrote: »

The flesh / skin on his back being shed in last week's episode seemed like more than a nod to 'The Fly'...

to me it seemed more like a direct copy of the fly rather than a nod, it was almost scene for scene when he was hanging upside down, climbing on the walls and when he was examining his back in the mirror. getting back to this week, when tracey turned up at the doctors house at the end, before he let her in he called her by another name, seems theres another clone or whatever they are floating around some where. thought it was a pretty good ep minus the plot holes mentioned.

when future peter put present peter into the body of jesse is that an extention of dl's powers or another power altoghter.

Overheal

it must be another power altogether. else, I can fully explain how thrusting the physical body of someone "into" someone else is supposed to work - on so many levels.

ShaneU

Well he is from the future, so who knows how many extra powers he's got, he's giving David Blaine a run for his money that's for sure.

Basq

Overheal wrote: »

I can fully explain how thrusting the physical body of someone "into" someone else is supposed to work

Can I hear a "Giggidy!"? :pac:

Cabaal

Have to say I enjoyed the episode, sure there were plot holes big enough to drive a truck through them but it was enjoyable all the same.

Mahatma coat

I Liked, d'ya think that the power MaPetrelli gave Sylay somehow compliments his other power so as to enable a power similar to Peters but by touch instead of automatically?

CodeMonkey

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

Noah's already captured Sylar once, surely that means he already has some idea of his weakness?

Just kill him when your old partner the haitian is around you dumb ass Noah. Why did the company start putting two people in the same cell (Hiro and Ando)? One has no powers and the other will just teleport away when the haitian is gone anyway. How the hell did the haitian take them back to the US so quickly? What about origanising transfer? Passports? Why did Sylar only kill one of the people in the bank? Why is he talking all these powers he never uses? Why did that african dude paint like he's drawing comics? Arrgh. The writers are trying too hard to make Hiro and Ando funny and the rest of the show seem cool. Only thing they learned from season 2 is to pick up the pace. God the writing in this show annoys me.

User45701

Hmm... Going back to last weeks episode for a second, parkman is not that bad. I remember seing someone bothered by him talking to the turtle then relived when it was a person. Since parkman can read minds why cant his power devolep into talking to animals like "hey monkey throw some **** at that guy" or "hey tiger rip his throut out"

I like parkman, i think mohinder is neither fly or spider. He is just general insect man i assume. He can like a ant lift many times his own weight or maybe survive for long periods without air/miminal air, dig at a fast speed, hang upside down climb walls easyiely ect. Like every other power it can be expanded.

im still waiting for nathon to spin around in a circle faster and faster till he creates a tornado or something to that effect - oh i guess that what her name? Tracy? wont live very long. Syler had her power in season 1's episode "5 years on"

CodeMonkey

User45701 wrote: »

im still waiting for nathon to spin around in a circle faster and faster till he creates a tornado or something to that effect

nathan can only go fast in one direction... Maybe he can spin really fast around the earth in the opposite direction of the earth's spin and turn back time... you know...like superman....

oh i guess that what her name? Tracy? wont live very long. Syler had her power in season 1's episode "5 years on"

That's a different future. They stopped that. And the ice powers sylar used was probably just done to make him look badass instead of the writers having any forethought into how the show will end up. Let's face it, the writers are just recycling season 1 and are incapable of writing anything decent with no big big holes at this stage. They don't even remember what they have in the show unless they just edited out the final line from the haitian in ep 3 where he says "errrr Noah, it's me your old partner, remember what i can do?"

Don't get me started on a rant about time travel and how come there's only 1 future Peter in the present. Time traveling story lines just so doesn't work....ever...in any stories.

5starpool

And why was Nikki's body in a coffin in a house with no one in it apart from her young son? And why wasn't she decomposed even a bit? It is quite infuriating at times watching heroes. Also, the fact that some people don't just use their powers to escape from area 5 (like sylar when tied on the bed thing). Evidently they can use their powers as the flame thrower dude used his in the flyby of cells at the end of Ep 1. Claire is hawt though still. More future Claire please, even though she was trying to shoot someone who has the abilty to heal as well, kind of futile tbh.

Juan Pablo

Enjoyed the first three episodes so far. The chick that plays Daphne is cute. With her and more Maya, Season 3 certainly has a fuller cup.

Catsmokinpot

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

For a show that prided itself on being so smart in the first series, this is starting to open more plot holes than anything else
Claire's real mom burned out all the oxygen in the container, and Claire nearly passed out, yet Claire's mom was fine?

I know what you mean but i don't think a lot of these plot holes are intrinsic to the storyline.

Claire's mother is able to create fire out of thin air, that's a big enough plot hole in itself. But carrying on with that theme, she may have some level of control over gasses, movement of any particle can create heat which allows her to create fire, and she would therefore be able to position Oxygen around herself so she can breathe just a guess

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

FuturePeter saved CurrentPeter in the bank, but left Noah to face the 3 powerful villains, and Sylar?
Also, FuturePeter was willing to kill CurrentNathan, his own brother, to stop him from revealing the existence of people with powers, but he'll leave a bank filled with witnesses to watch Pyro, Magneto and Banshee do their thing?

I was a bit puzzled by this one too, I think he thought nathan was the source, + hes future peter as we know people change. as for the bank scene, I'm assuming hes more interested in fixing the time-line.

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

As stated, Noah said that Claire "didn't want to know" what they guy CurrentPeter was possessing could do. Turns out it's Banshee's ability to yell really loudly?

I don't think that's what he meant by what he is capable of, i think Noah meant as a criminal what he's capable of.

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

If Pyro could be stopped with one bullet, why didn't Noah kill him the first time he was captured? Or all the time he was in Level 5?
Sylar is a known mass-murderer, but his mommy loves him enough to send him out in the field with one of their top men, with no training?

Two real plot holes there. not too worried about the pyro plot, but i hope they fill in the sylar/angela story.

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

Noah's already captured Sylar once, surely that means he already has some idea of his weakness?

But now Sylar is near enough invincible

Holsten wrote: »

Very meh... deffo doesn't have the same draw as the first and second seasons.

I would agree with the first season alright, but the second season? the second season was terrible and rushed.

User45701

just as a point, Has the Hiatian ever been around claire when she has been hurt/injured? Would his abality effect the abalitys of those who can regenerate?

Mr.Nice Guy

User45701 wrote: »

Hmm... Going back to last weeks episode for a second, parkman is not that bad. I remember seing someone bothered by him talking to the turtle then relived when it was a person. Since parkman can read minds why cant his power devolep into talking to animals like "hey monkey throw some **** at that guy" or "hey tiger rip his throut out"

Ah no way then he'd be like that lame kid from Captain Planet. Remember how the other four's rings could control the elements and that poor bastard was stuck talking to monkeys and stuff.

I think the main problem for me with Parkman is that whenever he tries to be serious he just comes across looking like a clown. When he found himself stranded in the desert and just started screaming I couldn't help but laugh.

leninbenjamin

Claire's scenes are really beginning to annoy me (before, they only annoyed me. but now they make me really annoyed). there's nothing special about them, just the usual moody teenage angst crap.

thank f*ck their was no Mohindar.

future Peter still makes no sense. why does he not know from his own memory where present Peter went?

Sylar has a 'hunger'... that also annoys me. he was far more interesting as just a plain old bad guy. i'm afraid they may end up turning him into a good guy on the back of this. :mad: still the pairing with Noah will be interesting.

Hiro and Anto's scenes aren't h hardly worth commenting on... their behaviour is just far too predictable now. they remind me of Laurel and Hardy, in how scripted their 'gags' are, except less funny. the blond one seems a half decent addition though.

I'm softening to Parkman though. Yer man who acts him is sh*te, he has only two expressions (confused and angrily confused), but his storyline is the most interesting i thought, and partly because his scenes are being propped up by the African who i find an interesting enough character. I think (or rather hope as it always seems in the case with this show) they are building up something big from this.

the Tracy-Micah scene was weird to say the least.

overall another 'meh'. it's the fast pace that keeps me gripped, but yet again i've come away not feeling satisfied. in terms of story developments.

seraphimvc

i wish the writer know that we are on earth...haytian came back to the company in a few minutes??

the same old future comic again?!oh comon tim kring....

and the oxygen,yes,her mum can manipulate oxygen molecules too.claire learnt nothing from all these events,grow up!lots of things in the episode are confusing,going to a direction that they just dont want us to guess what's going next.super strength guy called the police,sylar like a baby listen to mum,partman,nathan reading a bible,nicki has a twin :pac:hiro's stupidity lose the formula....

the pace is quick but the story is not neatly illustrated.the script looks like a big rush!lets hope what happens in the end is good.

is it just me to think that most of the actors in Heroes are actually acting quite bad?their facial expression are just very plain.i hope they realise it is season 3 now,stop acting like a newbie.

leninbenjamin

seraphimvc wrote: »

is it just me to think that most of the actors in Heroes are actually acting quite bad?their facial expression are just very plain.i hope they realise it is season 3 now,stop acting like a newbie.

definitely. the writers attempts to add an extra dimension to certain characters are looking very feeble due to some awful acting ability. it's shocking at times, you'd see more emotions at a primary school play.

Overheal

CodeMonkey wrote: »

And the ice powers sylar used was probably just done to make him look badass instead of the writers having any forethought into how the show will end up.

Sylar had that power when he killed his supposed mother and when subsequently he broke the kensei sword. Sylar got the power from a truck driver in a comic available on the nbc website placed sometime before the series starts: molly walkers father is frozen to death if you recall.

Catsmokinpot wrote: »

Claire's mother is able to create fire out of thin air, that's a big enough plot hole in itself.

Didnt they explain this one in Fantastic Four? Im sure whatever explaination they used there fits here.

As for killing level 5 detainees its become obvious the company isnt a genocide machine. Their MO seems to be finding, cataloguing and understanding these people. They were probably being detained until such a time as they might become useful, like sylar seems to be to ma petrelli.

AlmightyCushion

leninbenjamin wrote: »

why does he not know from his own memory where present Peter went?

Because none of this happened to him. When he shot nathan the whole timeline changed and changed what happened to Peter. It's a bit of a bítch to wrap your head around this time travel stuff.

Overheal

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Because none of this happened to him. When he shot nathan the whole timeline changed and changed what happened to Peter. It's a bit of a bítch to wrap your head around this time travel stuff.

wait wait...what? So there was a Future Peter A that shot Nathan and planned on shooting him again in the church and a Future Peter B that pulls an Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Pardon me, sir, but when did that happen?

Sherifu

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

Claire's real mom burned out all the oxygen in the container, and Claire nearly passed out, yet Claire's mom was fine?

That bit had me thinking wtf.

Hiro and Ando continue to drag this show down in Mohiners absence.

leninbenjamin

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Because none of this happened to him. When he shot nathan the whole timeline changed and changed what happened to Peter. It's a bit of a bítch to wrap your head around this time travel stuff.

yeah, i know that's apparently the stance their taking but it still makes no sense, time paradox and all. if the future isn't going to happen future Peter shouldn't exist. it's either that or you go down the route of having infinite alternate realities, which is even more of a headwrecker and something they've blatantly avoided doing previously with Hiro's time travel. when they had Hiro going back in time it suggested a linear time line... now they are suggesting parallel timelines... they are making a meal of the whole thing.

JohnK

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

Claire's real mom burned out all the oxygen in the container, and Claire nearly passed out, yet Claire's mom was fine?

I dont think its that much of a hole. We know her mother is someone who uses her power at almost every turn so presumably she'd be sort of used to or at least experienced at being in very hot low-oxygen environments. Claire on the other hand wouldnt so that could explain why she'd pass out and her mother wouldnt. Think of people who live at a very high altitude, they're used to the low-oxygen but if you dropped one of us up there we'd be screwed and would probably pass out if trying to walk 10 feet.

As for Nicki/Tracy I didn’t see the clone/twin/whatever thing coming at all – I was sure she was just another personality. I wonder does this also mean we’ve seen the last of Micah? Its not like he’d be running around with the other heros without his parents and I don’t see them needing to rig any more elections since Nathans already been sworn in.

tvnutz

JohnK wrote: »

I wonder does this also mean we’ve seen the last of Micah? Its not like he’d be running around with the other heros without his parents and I don’t see them needing to rig any more elections since Nathans already been sworn in.

Well he was billed as "guest star" whereas he used to be a series regular so I'd imgaine we won't see too much more of him.

JohnK

well spotted tvnutz!

Pepe LeFrits

I enjoyed this episode a lot purely because it threw the show’s two strongest characters together: Sylar and Noah.

However, as for the writing on Heroes, I can only assume that it is being done by a bunch of manatees picking idea balls. My three year old nephew could probably do a better job of it at this stage.

matrim

tetsujin1979 wrote: »

Claire's real mom burned out all the oxygen in the container, and Claire nearly passed out, yet Claire's mom was fine?

What really annoyed me about that scene is that as soon as the fire went out claire was fine and was able to just stand up and walk out

jackdaw

basquille wrote: »

The flesh / skin on his back being shed in last week's episode seemed like more than a nod to 'The Fly'...

+1 ...

Even before that the way he was acting crawing up the walls, just in his trousers ... it was so Jeff Goldblum in the Fly..

coillcam

I dunno I'm not feeling the whole Claire thing lately. Daphne and Maya are in fair shape though:D I have to say Ali Larter - Nikki/Tracy looks a lot healthier these days. I remember looking at some of season 1+2 and she seemed fairly gaunt/ghostly to me.

The episode had plenty of holes for sure but in fairness I have come to expect that in every film or TV show these days. Not as good as the previous 2 imo but entertaining nonetheless. Raging I stumbled across the Sylar/Noah spoiler elsewhere that really ruined the episode for me. I feel they should have done a lot more with that angle though. The Level 5 goons pissed me off no end. I really expected a lot more there. I always enjoyed (Jesse) Francis Capra's Weevil in Veronica Mars. Was looking forward to him getting screen time along with the German.

User45701

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Sylar has a 'hunger'... that also annoys me. he was far more interesting as just a plain old bad guy. i'm afraid they may end up turning him into a good guy on the back of this. :mad: still the pairing with Noah will be interesting.

Hmm, Ive said a few times season the end of season 1 that i think syler is actually good and really when you think about it good/bad is a point of view.

i mean without going WAAAy off topic things like abortions show show people can be confused over good/evil

User45701 wrote: »

just as a point, Has the Hiatian ever been around claire when she has been hurt/injured? Would his abality effect the abalitys of those who can regenerate?

Sorry to quote myself but i really dont remember - does anyone?