Anti-Sniper Tactics

tonky

Appreciate any tactical tips or links for subject problem. What's the received wisdom to trap and eliminate an airsoft sniper? (Rubs welt on forehead from one of today's kills).

Dr_Pepper

woot we can be welt brothers i have one too from a sniper at HRTA today
Tbh when you travel in a squad a sniper is easy to take out once he isnt smart and behind you...

Fire and maneuver. He's only got a bolt action and is likely to be dug in.

tonky

So going lone man or 2 is a bad idea. A squad of 3 or 4 well spread is the optimum - as in the real world?

iceage

Overcome by superior firepower.

Kick his ass from several positions at once, once you've got his location and his attention, drop everything on him.

Ahem...teamwork, thats the key.

hrta

tonky wrote: »

Appreciate any tactical tips or links for subject problem. What's the received wisdom to trap and eliminate an airsoft sniper? (Rubs welt on forehead from one of today's kills).

here you go http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53505107&postcount=1

Masada

splitting up is a very bad idea, i always say, space out but stay within 15-20ft in travelling formation. so when the sniper fires on someone the rest are close enough to react but far enough to make re-targeting them difficult for the sniper.,

Fiach Dubh

Close on the sniper in a pincer move with a second man firing short bursts from the hip to discomfort him Make sure you zig-zag when you move (It works!) Once you get into effective range one attacker should drop to a stable firing position for accurate fire while the second attacker keeps pressing forward.

mcgovern

Fiach Dubh wrote: »

Close on the sniper in a pincer move with a second man firing short bursts from the hip to discomfort him Make sure you zig-zag when you move (It works!) Once you get into effective range one attacker should drop to a stable firing position for accurate fire while the second attacker keeps pressing forward.

You obviously never watched Generation Kill!

Fiach Dubh

Actually I have.

MacAonghusa

tonky wrote: »

So going lone man or 2 is a bad idea. A squad of 3 or 4 well spread is the optimum - as in the real world?

In the real world you'd call on your mortars or artillery to hose the area if you thought there was a sniper.

I saw a sniper in the Glen of Imaal go up against a section of 9. Wasn't long before 8 of the 9 were "dead".

Site-Ops

Hunting snipers is difficult but a couple of things that may help are -

Move in pairs with 10 meters between groups.... move zig zag... dont just look down and horizontal dont forget to look up. We had an instance not too long ago where one of the snipers was in a tree it was dusk and hard to see but.... what gave the sniper away was his lense on the scope... he moved his head and one of our lads spotted the shine coming through the back of the scope from the tree.... Lets just say the tree got hurt. Move slow also and listen good if possible come from different angles when hunting and not all back to back in the same direction.

Rhinocharge

As Iceage says "Teamwork".

Flush out the sniper using 2-3 team members firing in & around the sniper's position. The other 1-2 team members navigates their way around behind the sniper's position & eliminates same.

Usually the sniper is not the real problem, it's the spotter or support unit.
A half decent sniper won't be easily found & should be able to move positions with ease.

Stealth, luck & teamwork.

Jumpy

One question I have.

If all the airsoft guns have a limited power, would all the guns not have the same range regardless of type?

How would you have an airsoft sniper?

Site-Ops

Jumpy wrote: »

One question I have.

If all the airsoft guns have a limited power, would all the guns not have the same range regardless of type?

How would you have an airsoft sniper?

The Sniper will be hiding and normal rule is ONE hit and your out.

NakedDex

One word: listen. Unless the person is using a rifle with an upgraded bolt, you'll likely hear a recocking, particularly if the sniper isn't practiced or is being harassed since that's usually when careful recocking goes out the window.
It's not going to work all the time, but it's the simplest tactic of all and it does work. I've gotten rough location fixes on sniper based on where I heard the faint click of the bolt shunting back and been able to give direction/warning to others. Bolt action rifles are quieter than aeg's, but they're not silent.

horgan_p

both of these are very similar , but extremely good.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Light-Infantry-Tactics-Small-Teams/dp/1418472077/ref=pd_cp_b_1?pf_rd_p=212521391&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0760330638&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=0YKRC0YEEB7GH6FGKJ6D



http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paintball-Airsoft-Battle-Tactics-Christopher/dp/0760330638/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222706349&sr=8-8

mcgovern

Fiach Dubh wrote: »

Actually I have.

Then you should know that:
Running in a serpentine fashion = bad
Running in a straight line = good

sean.carolan100

Nooooo people don't help him kill us snipers ! whhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahah :(:(:(:( : ' (

Fiach Dubh

mcgovern wrote: »

Then you should know that:
Running in a serpentine fashion = bad
Running in a straight line = good

The OP asked how to take out an Airsoft sniper, not a real world sniper. The balistics of a BB and a bullet are nothing alike so zig-zagging is better then moving in a straight line. My team have used this tactic a number of times and it works, end of story.

Masada

Fiach Dubh wrote: »

The OP asked how to take out an Airsoft sniper, not a real world sniper. The balistics of a BB and a bullet are nothing alike so zig-zagging is better then moving in a straight line. My team have used this tactic a number of times and it works, end of story.

+1 to that.,
as a sniper i can tell you is a bastid trying to hit a sidewards moving target, simply because the BB is never bang on the crosshair anyway and even for a stationary target, requires a slight bit of windage compensation. that combined with a moving target is a nightmare.,
In that situation i wouldnt shoot at all. they stand a much bigger chance of hitting me than i do of getting them. sit. lie low, dont move. wait for them to pass and take out the rear gaurd. then relocate to somewhere they would have concidered a safe fallback point. they wont expect to be attacked from there.,

Hivemind187

Two words...

Air.

Strike.

Jimbobak47

I say mow them down, I mean make them wish they had never been born! Show no mercy have your FSG cut them down (inc surrounding area) to pieces It works well when if everyone works together.

Nodin

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Two words...

Air.

Strike.

Might be an idea to fire it through the chronometer first.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuniKsBxZ10
...though looking at my wee blue one, I'm not sure it'd do the job.

whydave

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Air Strike.

yes

mcgovern

Fiach Dubh wrote: »

The OP asked how to take out an Airsoft sniper, not a real world sniper. The balistics of a BB and a bullet are nothing alike so zig-zagging is better then moving in a straight line. My team have used this tactic a number of times and it works, end of story.

Who pee'd in your cornflakes?
You are forgetting though that zig zaging between cover exposes you for longer.
If you are charging the sniper head on then zig zaging will work, but if you are moving from cover to cover to get to him, the less time you are exposed the better imo.

Masada

What if hes elevated?

which is often the case. i would always go for a position that gave me overhead visibility. trees are perfect since you can bend in a load of branches to disguise yourself up there and can fire on people even when their down behind cover.,

MacAonghusa

vtec wrote: »

What if hes elevated?

which is often the case. i would always go for a position that gave me overhead visibility. trees are perfect since you can bend in a load of branches to disguise yourself up there and can fire on people even when their down behind cover.,

I thought it wasn't good sniper practice to hide in trees (vague memory of some reading years ago); something to do with lack of visibility and an escape route or summat??

Fiach Dubh

mcgovern wrote: »

Who pee'd in your cornflakes?
You are forgetting though that zig zaging between cover exposes you for longer.
If you are charging the sniper head on then zig zaging will work, but if you are moving from cover to cover to get to him, the less time you are exposed the better imo.

I never said anything about zig-zagging between cover. I was talking about assaulting a sniper over open ground. A good sniper will usually try to set up in a position were the enemy will have to cover open ground if they want to get close to him, not hard to do at HRTA because of the layout, there's some good killzones for snipers.

Masada

well, if you dont miss then youve nothing to worry about.,lol

In reality a snipers hide should always be easy enough to escape from but this doesnt necessarily have to apply to airsoft. as for visibility, you wont get any better than the view from a tree. ive spent many a time sitting in a tree for up to an hour at times just waiting and picking off targets any the majority of the time they havent a clue where the hell i am.

MacAonghusa

vtec wrote: »

well, if you dont miss then youve nothing to worry about.,lol

In reality a snipers hide should always be easy enough to escape from but this doesnt necessarily have to apply to airsoft. as for visibility, you wont get any better than the view from a tree. ive spent many a time sitting in a tree for up to an hour at times just waiting and picking off targets any the majority of the time they havent a clue where the hell i am.

I would have thought branches & leaves would cut your visibility not to mention deflect your shots. Though, I admit I haven't spent much time up trees to be honest.

andy_g

Site-Ops wrote: »

Hunting snipers is difficult but a couple of things that may help are -

Move in pairs with 10 meters between groups.... move zig zag... dont just look down and horizontal dont forget to look up. We had an instance not too long ago where one of the snipers was in a tree it was dusk and hard to see but.... what gave the sniper away was his lense on the scope... he moved his head and one of our lads spotted the shine coming through the back of the scope from the tree.... Lets just say the tree got hurt. Move slow also and listen good if possible come from different angles when hunting and not all back to back in the same direction.

haha i remember that game that was me that saw the light of what was left of the sun coming thru the optics it was still a good game though not for the sniper though :P

Poccington

MacAonghusa wrote: »

I thought it wasn't good sniper practice to hide in trees (vague memory of some reading years ago); something to do with lack of visibility and an escape route or summat??

They don't sit up in trees because as soon as the shot is taken or their Recce is finished they've to start their exfil as well as the fact that they work in pairs, best of luck finding a tree that can hold 2 lads in full kit. Now imagine you've just taken a shot, obviously alerting the enemy and both you and your spotter have to start climbing down a tree then head back to your hide, grab your kit and leg it... There's no sense in it.

Instead they just set up OP's or do CTR's. No trees involved

MacAonghusa

Poccington wrote: »

They don't sit up in trees because as soon as the shot is taken or their Recce is finished they've to start their exfil as well as the fact that they work in pairs,

In response i'll quote VTEC:
"ive spent many a time sitting in a tree for up to an hour at times just waiting and picking off targets"

They can't really exfil after taking a shot cos they'll give away their position. At airsoft ranges they're probably better off sitting still and hoping they weren't spotted.

Plus the 2nd of the pair could be far from the sniper ... that's what radios are for. :pac:

Poccington

MacAonghusa wrote: »

In response i'll quote VTEC:
"ive spent many a time sitting in a tree for up to an hour at times just waiting and picking off targets"

They can't really exfil after taking a shot cos they'll give away their position. At airsoft ranges they're probably better off sitting still and hoping they weren't spotted.

Plus the 2nd of the pair could be far from the sniper ... that's what radios are for. :pac:

Then what happens when they have to take the shot and all those calculations have to be done? They can't be done over a radio.

And they most certainly do begin to exfil once the shot has been taken.

Sitting in a tree is all well and good for a quick little game but no sniper in their right mind would ever take up a position in a tree, it's practically suicide.

MacAonghusa

Poccington wrote: »

Then what happens when they have to take the shot and all those calculations have to be done? They can't be done over a radio.

What calculations? This is airsoft!

Poccington wrote: »

And they most certainly do begin to exfil once the shot has been taken.

Not necessarily, even in real life it just depends on the situation.

Poccington wrote: »

Sitting in a tree is all well and good for a quick little game but no sniper in their right mind would ever take up a position in a tree, it's practically suicide.

Well I did question the sense of sniping from a tree as I don't agree with it but I have to bow down to the knowledge of actual snipers on this list.

Poccington

MacAonghusa wrote: »

What calculations? This is airsoft!



Not necessarily, even in real life it just depends on the situation.



Well I did question the sense of sniping from a tree as I don't agree with it but I have to bow down to the knowledge of actual snipers on this list.

You said a Sniper pair could be far away from each other... I gave a realistic reason why they wouldn't be. Another reason would be who's giving the shooter security if his spotter is in a different location?

In real life, a sniper tries to exfil as quickly as possible.

Are we talking actual snipers as in Airsoft snipers or actual sniper? Cause if we're talking actual snipers I can tell you for a fact they would't be going near trees.

amaughan

snipers dont use trees we blend in with the vegetation,being that hi gives you a silhouette in the sky so it dose not work.staying low to the ground with good concealment is key remember the 5 s's of stealth shape shine shadow silhouette and space first 4 are the main ones 5th is just for when your moving now that the only tip i giving for free haha

amaughan

Poccington wrote: »

You said a Sniper pair could be far away from each other... I gave a realistic reason why they wouldn't be. Another reason would be who's giving the shooter security if his spotter is in a different location?

In real life, a sniper tries to exfil as quickly as possible.

Are we talking actual snipers as in Airsoft snipers or actual sniper? Cause if we're talking actual snipers I can tell you for a fact they would't be going near trees.

snipers dont use bloody trees now drop it haha.

MacAonghusa

Poccington wrote: »

You said a Sniper pair could be far away from each other... I gave a realistic reason why they wouldn't be. Another reason would be who's giving the shooter security if his spotter is in a different location?

The sniper pair could be far (relatively, i'm talking metres not miles) from each other ... there are no calculations to be done and the "spotter" could easily provide support/security from 20-30m away.

Poccington wrote: »

In real life, a sniper tries to exfil as quickly as possible.

Well that would depend on the situation but anyway we're talking airsoft here.

Poccington wrote: »

Are we talking actual snipers as in Airsoft snipers or actual sniper? Cause if we're talking actual snipers I can tell you for a fact they would't be going near trees.

1. I said we're talking airsoft!
2. For real snipers I know, i've already said that.

amaughan

one more thing even in real world sniping it is not protocol to run after you take a shot,in actual fact the training says 'after you take the shot wait,the enemy might not have seen where you have fired from if they fire on your position return fire to buy your spotter time to get the gear together.oh and stay out of trees hahaaha:D

MacAonghusa

amaughan wrote: »

snipers dont use trees

In airsoft some would appear to do so.
Next time i'm in SAC I'll know to keep my eyes only on the ground when you're about

amaughan wrote: »

one more thing even in real world sniping it is not protocol to run after you take a shot,in actual fact the training says 'after you take the shot wait,the enemy might not have seen where you have fired from if they fire on your position return fire to buy your spotter time to get the gear together.oh and stay out of trees hahaaha

True, you probably shouldn't even move to reload your gun as the slightest movement could give you away.

amaughan

in airsoft there is a lot of stupid mistakes and inexperienced misinformed players haha.yeah but lucky for the maquis sniper team we have picked up a few things hahaha like staying out of trees hahaha:D;):rolleyes:

Poccington

amaughan wrote: »

one more thing even in real world sniping it is not protocol to run after you take a shot,in actual fact the training says 'after you take the shot wait,the enemy might not have seen where you have fired from if they fire on your position return fire to buy your spotter time to get the gear together.oh and stay out of trees hahaaha:D

There's no running involved on an exfil.... Just lots and lots of very, very slow crawling

amaughan

Poccington wrote: »

There's no running involved on an exfil.... Just lots and lots of very, very slow crawling

you know what i mean hahaha anal ha;)

MacAonghusa

amaughan wrote: »

in airsoft there is a lot of stupid mistakes and inexperienced misinformed players haha.yeah but lucky for the maquis sniper team we have picked up a few things hahaha like staying out of trees hahaha:D;):rolleyes:

To be fair airsoft IS different than real life so real rules/practices don't really apply most of the time.

amaughan

MacAonghusa wrote: »

To be fair airsoft IS different than real life so real rules/practices don't really apply most of the time.

real rules/practices actually do apply alot more than people would think just not with the gun handeling but when it comes to concealment there is nothing better than learning from the lads that do it for real

MacAonghusa

amaughan wrote: »

real rules/practices actually do apply alot more than people would think just not with the gun handeling but when it comes to concealment there is nothing better than learning from the lads that do it for real

I agree (on concealment etc) and disagree. In real life you'd need to keep your head down at any range. In airsoft just stand slightly out of range and give your enemy the fingers safe in the knowledge that they can't hit you.

Dr_Pepper

Allow me to put my 2 cents in here.
My team were hunting a sniper once who took out the entire squad on his own twice. This man was liamo and he swears by trees. vtec did the same to me and 1 other who had infinite regen and we never found him.

So hiding in trees works extremely well when you are concealed.

Masada

amaughan wrote: »

in airsoft there is a lot of stupid mistakes and inexperienced misinformed players haha.yeah but lucky for the maquis sniper team we have picked up a few things hahaha like staying out of trees hahaha:D;):rolleyes:

To be honest you come across as having watched too many episodes of BBC's "SAS secrets".
A lot of real world tactics dont apply to airsoft, one key factor is the fact that airsoft snipers make very little noise when they fire. real snipers make a rediculously loud noise.
Its also worth pointing out that i dont think any of us are professionally trained snipers, were just guys with toys that copy the" big boys". pointing out how one person is doing something in a wrong way is pointless unless you have the qualification to do better. afterall for the most part the only professional training we can get would be reading about tips and seeing techniques on TV.,

if you havent used the trees then you are at a serious disadvantage IMO, There have been times when ive taken out whole teams from my tree locations, including my first visit to fingal where i got a great location and even though i didnt know the land very well i had a big advantage over the other team simply because i could see a lot more than they could. from that position i was pretty easy to hold off the enemy attack by just waiting for them to fire so they could cover the noise i was making.,

NakedHedgehog

The other thing is that real world snipers engage at a hell of a bigger distance than airsoft snipers would - being as it is that everyone's got the same range in airsoft (theoretically anyway).

Certain real-world tactics work well (room clearing for one thing - though I've seen some people doing "real-world-style" clearing with far too many people pouring into a room), others need to be adapted for airsoft and yet others would get you killed in the real world and visa versa.

amaughan

vtec wrote: »

To be honest you come across as having watched too many episodes of BBC's "SAS secrets".
A lot of real world tactics dont apply to airsoft, one key factor is the fact that airsoft snipers make very little noise when they fire. real snipers make a rediculously loud noise.
Its also worth pointing out that i dont think any of us are professionally trained snipers, were just guys with toys that copy the" big boys". pointing out how one person is doing something in a wrong way is pointless unless you have the qualification to do better. afterall for the most part the only professional training we can get would be reading about tips and seeing techniques on TV.,

if you havent used the trees then you are at a serious disadvantage IMO, There have been times when ive taken out whole teams from my tree locations, including my first visit to fingal where i got a great location and even though i didnt know the land very well i had a big advantage over the other team simply because i could see a lot more than they could. from that position i was pretty easy to hold off the enemy attack by just waiting for them to fire so they could cover the noise i was making.,

ha ha ha yeah i do love my sas hahaha.yes airsoft snipers make very little noise but thats an advantage it does not have any negitive effect on the practice of the airsoft sniper.


pointing out how someone is doing something wrong is worth doing imo as we can all learn from each other and being honest i love when people point out my faults as i can then fix that mistake and addapt.

as for the tree thing i suppose what ever works for you because the role of the sniper in airsoft is best learned through trial and error.

i just dont like trees its too robin hood haha but what ever works for you man