Wimmens jobs

brianthebard

Today and yesterday there were threads posted here that were asking for a woman's knowledge of housekeeping. (zaph quickly pushed them along). Does it bother you that this sort of thing is still considered a woman's job? Do you think that attitude is widespread, or would it bother you if your significant other expected you to do the cleaning, cooking, or whatever? Thoughts ladies?

Black Swan

I've been independent since 18, so lads, if you visit our boat, clean up after yourselves when using the toilet, pitch in washing the dishes, and if you stay over, don't expect Cinful or I to wash your boxers (unless you make it worth our while.... ha!).:cool:

randylonghorn

brianthebard wrote: »

Today and yesterday there were threads posted here that were asking for a woman's knowledge of housekeeping. (zaph quickly pushed them along). Does it bother you that this sort of thing is still considered a woman's job? Do you think that attitude is widespread, or would it bother you if your significant other expected you to do the cleaning, cooking, or whatever? Thoughts ladies?

Not a lady! ... but fwiw traditional "gender roles" have feck all to do with what chores I'll do in the house, yielding rather to my own tolerance or hatred of certain tasks. I'll cook relatively cheerfully; I will clean provided something is actually dirty; but hand me a hot iron, and you're just begging to be branded with it on the traditional right hindquarter! ¬_¬

LolaLuv

brianthebard wrote: »

Do you think that attitude is widespread, or would it bother you if your significant other expected you to do the cleaning, cooking, or whatever?

If he "expected" me to do everything, it would be a dealbreaker. I wouldn't expect him to do everything, either. But if two adults live together they should both be able to clean up like adults. In my ideal relationship there would be no such thing as a woman's job.

The Sweeper

PillyPen wrote: »

In my ideal relationship there would be no such thing as a woman's job.

Absolutely. There would just be, the stuff I like to do, and the stuff you like to do. And then the stuff that neither of us like to do, but which we do together because it needs to be done, and a problem shared etc.

The flip side is that I don't find it offensive that someone assumes I know how to do a traditionally female gender-related housework task. I don't think anyone should ever be criticised for asking a question of another person. If I know the answer I'll tell you. If I don't, I won't. Doesn't matter if that relates to housework or car maintenance.

Where any bloke will fall down with me is by assuming that the housework is entirely my job.

...nope.

Nevyn

My parents raised 4 daughers and a son and we all had household chores.
Where there was some rebellian from my brother he was told his hand were the same as hers and the rest of us and if she was good enough to clean the toilet so was he.
My Dad was raised the same way being one of ten they all learned to pitch in and do what was needed. I am raising my kids the same way.

Asking me if I know how to do X is fine, presuming that I so/will is another matter.

WindSock

Nothing turns me off more than a slobby man who doesn't lift a finger around the house. There's no way I would bring up my Sons to expect someone else (especially a Woman) to clean up after them.

F.A.

No way would I be willing to do everything. It's not the way I was brought up and it's simply unfair. Why would I have to clean after a guy while he doesn't have to lift a finger??

Having said that, bf is a typical Irish mammy's boy, even though he takes offence when I say that. It is completely true. Sure, he'll do his fair share, but it is plain obvious he wasn't raised doing anything but hoovering, as that's the only thing he does properly. And he takes great pride in it! Yeah, girls, we all know how utterly difficult it is to get the hoovering right... :rolleyes:

So, in short, one of the main arguments in my relationship is chores. Not so much who does them, but who does them properly. No point doing the dishes when half of them need to be done again! I should add that we officially go 'my turn - your turn'. But there is officially and normally... Grrr.

Nevyn

Nothing worse then having to fix or do over cleaning after someone has done it and wasn't arsed doing it right.

LouOB

I dont mind once its not used in a patronising way
I would clean the house myself - as I can be abit fussy, but men dont seem to understand or have different levels of what is dirty.
I hate ironing and BF would do this but would have to point out mountain of clothes in the corner and nothing in the wardrobes. If I didnt it would just sit there.

Madame Razz

LouOB wrote: »

men dont seem to understand or have different levels of what is dirty.

+1

I genuinely think a lot of men don't see dirt/mess in the same way we do. A lot of them miss out on the concept of clean, but that said some men are like new pins. I suppose maybe the same can be said for a lot of women.

When I had my house for sale the guy who was renting a room promised he would clean his room up for viewings. Now, I didn't insist on this, but was relieved as I was aware that his room was a tip. So he spends hours cleaning the room, brags about what a job he's done and brings me in to show me.......the place was still manky. He had tidied, but it still needed to be cleaned and hoovered and dusted. Anyway, I said nothing, because it was his room and his business.

Out of sight is not out of mind, and I'm no Bree Van De Camp!!

GrumPy

Wimmenz with jobs? Dont make me laugh! :pac:

WindSock

GrumPy banned for 3 days.

nomorebadtown

if there are no gender specific roles why do i constantly find myself trapping spiders in a glass and releasing them out the window, going downstairs in the night if the OH imagines she heard something, changing plugs and lightbulbs, lifting things, carving roasts etc?
in fairness i am also a damn fine cook and a wizard with an iron...

Nevyn

I remove the spiders in this house and have changed light bulbs and will go out in the dark with my hockey stick. As for carving roasts other then my Dad I have never cohabited with a man who knew how.

WindSock

nomorebadtown wrote: »

if there are no gender specific roles why do i constantly find myself trapping spiders in a glass and releasing them out the window, going downstairs in the night if the OH imagines she heard something, changing plugs and lightbulbs, lifting things, carving roasts etc?

Because your girlfriend does everything else?

randylonghorn

nomorebadtown wrote: »

if there are no gender specific roles why do i constantly find myself trapping spiders in a glass and releasing them out the window ...

Lol, in fairness I'll go with you on this one ... not saying EVERY woman is the same, Thaed, but it does tend this way in all honesty.

I have been hauled out of my bed at 3 in the morning, shoved into her car, and brought back to her flat to take a spider out of the bath so she could have a pee! (And no, before anyone says it, she doesn't pee in the bath! )

Nevyn

And you went and did it, love is....

Tend, tends to be the issue, a lot of the time when a couple move in it is the woman who tends to end up cleaning the toilet and doing the other niggly and back ground cleaning chores.

I've had the arguement about why I 'never' emptied the kitchen bin or the other bins in the house or put the bins out for collection.
Told him I'd trade him for cleaning the toilet and scrubbing the bath room he stuck with the bins.

randylonghorn

Thaedydal wrote: »

And you went and did it, love is....

Lol, true!

Thaedydal wrote: »

Tend, tends to be the issue, a lot of the time when a couple move in it is the woman who tends to end up cleaning the toilet and doing the other niggly and back ground cleaning chores.

I've had the arguement about why I 'never' emptied the kitchen bin or the other bins in the house or put the bins out for collection.
Told him I'd trade him for cleaning the toilet and scrubbing the bath room he stuck with the bins.

No problem doing either, tbh. If it needs cleaning (because it looks dirty or, as in the above example, even if it doesn't you know damn well it needs it anyway) ... no problem.

People who clean something every day because it's on "the list" (e.g. polishing mirrors / wood EVERY day? ) confuse the hell out of me, and I'm afraid I would rebel like hell if ever asked to do that.

And ironing!! Ironing is an invention of Satan's more evil brother! Hell to me would be perpetual ironing! :mad:

I've gotten to the stage where I shop for clothes at least partly on their ability to get by without being ironed!

Nevyn

Some thing if done every day take a few seconds and it's just easier on the long run,
but polishing ever day ? pff

Ah um eh ironing... whats that ?
I don't buy things that need to be ironed, fold things as they come out of the drier or fold
them off the washing line and into the hot press and tbh they don't need to be ironed.

Think the last time the iron was used in this house was 4 months ago.

LolaLuv

randylonghorn wrote: »

And ironing!! Ironing is an invention of Satan's more evil brother! Hell to me would be perpetual ironing! :mad:

I've gotten to the stage where I shop for clothes at least partly on their ability to get by without being ironed!

Here's a great poem, Shirts by Marianne Burke.

There was no poetry waiting for my mother
in the week’s worth of shirts.
Her arm would travel a long way,
steering the small boat of the iron
on a slow, repetitive journey up
and down the backs of my father’s shirts,
the narrow channels of his sleeves,
while “As the World Turns” was on the TV.
She never asked for help, though I wanted
to give it; instead she ordered me
outside to play, saying I’d have to
do this work soon enough someday—
she didn’t want a mother’s little helper.
I’m grateful to her for that, and for
other freedoms she was never granted, like
sleeping with a man who is not your husband.
This morning, I watch from bed as you iron
your white shirt, pleased that such
an important thing as woman’s work
does not come between us.

Stheno

Thaedydal wrote: »

Ah um eh ironing... whats that ?
I don't buy things that need to be ironed, fold things as they come out of the drier or fold
them off the washing line and into the hot press and tbh they don't need to be ironed.

Think the last time the iron was used in this house was 4 months ago.

Ironing service ftw

Tis only work shirts I have that need ironing, they drive me nuts.

brianthebard

randylonghorn wrote: »

Lol, true!
No problem doing either, tbh. If it needs cleaning (because it looks dirty or, as in the above example, even if it doesn't you know damn well it needs it anyway) ... no problem.

People who clean something every day because it's on "the list" (e.g. polishing mirrors / wood EVERY day? ) confuse the hell out of me, and I'm afraid I would rebel like hell if ever asked to do that.

And ironing!! Ironing is an invention of Satan's more evil brother! Hell to me would be perpetual ironing! :mad:

I've gotten to the stage where I shop for clothes at least partly on their ability to get by without being ironed!

I'll do your ironing if you clean the bathroom for me! (ironing is my favourite chore )

F.A.

Well, some people really take ironing to new extremes. My future mother-in-law even irons underwear! :eek: Whatever next?

I don't see the point in ironing anything but really important things like a shirt for a job interview etc. If you put your stuff on the washing line, they don't need ironing anyway, unless your name is Bree Van De Kamp (or you're my future mother-in-law).

randylonghorn

Thaedydal wrote: »

Some thing if done every day take a few seconds and it's just easier on the long run,
but polishing ever day ? pff

will I get banned if I say there's only one thing I'm prepared to polish every day ... >_>

Thaedydal wrote: »

Think the last time the iron was used in this house was 4 months ago.

What did he do? :pac:

PillyPen wrote: »

Here's a great poem, Shirts by Marianne Burke.

In fairness, my mother LOVED ironing, she found it very relaxing, would set herself up in front of the tv and iron for hours!

Hated cooking though, though she was quite ok at it. She never minded who came into the house, just don't ask her to cook for them! There were nights when the whole gang ended up sleeping (collapsing!) all over the house to the point where she would have to step over them in the morning, and she would just laugh ... BUT "cook for yourselves or get a frigging takeaway!! :mad:"

Actually, I can remember college friends sitting drinking tea in our kitchen in their boxers because she had decided whatever they were wearing need washing, and ordered them to strip (well, that was her excuse, anyway! ) ... and of course everything was returned perfectly ironed!! :rolleyes: They still had to make their own tea though ... :pac:

brianthebard wrote: »

I'll do your ironing if you clean the bathroom for me! (ironing is my favourite chore )

Weirdo!!

(Done deal, though!!)

F.A. wrote: »

My future mother-in-law even irons underwear! :eek:

0_o

Any woman that ever puts an iron anywhere near my boxers ... :mad:

brianthebard

But if I like ironing, and yore ma likes ironing, and you think I'm a weirdo for liking ironing, does that make yore ma a weirdo??? :eek: and is she single? And when are you coming over to clean the bathroom? Bring an ironing board, we don't have one here atm...

Nevyn

randylonghorn wrote: »

What did he do? :pac:

He ironed a shirt with it as he wanted to wear it going out.
Never said I was the last one to use the iron

randylonghorn wrote: »

Any woman that ever puts an iron anywhere near my boxers ... :mad:

lollers, never had them starched and ironed then.

Stheno

brianthebard wrote: »

I'll do your ironing (ironing is my favourite chore )

you should set up an ironing service business

Did you just mention yore ma as opposed to Yore Ma's in here??

ZAPH???? ZAPH???????????

fits

randylonghorn wrote: »

I've gotten to the stage where I shop for clothes at least partly on their ability to get by without being ironed!

I've been doing that for years I suspect a lot of people do.

I had to regularly rescue my ex from killer spiders. And if something went bump in the night well, I'd trust the dogs to alert me to it.

I have to confess I am absolutely terrible at house work. Awful I like to cook and I go on cleaning and clearing rampages every so often. But general tidiness is not my strong point.

Rozabeez

It doesn't particularly bother me if a man asks for help with a household job, take for example tonight my brother asked me does he cook onions or mushrooms first, and what the correct way to chop an onion is. But if someone takes the, "You're a girl, you do it." attitude in a serious manner, then he'd probably find my knee in his crotch.

brianthebard

nouggatti wrote: »

you should set up an ironing service business

Did you just mention yore ma as opposed to Yore Ma's in here??

ZAPH???? ZAPH???????????

Lolz I think if I was doing it regularly I would get bored quickly. Although if I was doing it in return for sexy favours it'd be worth it...and no I was referring to randy's ma, not Yore Ma!!!

WindSock

F.A. wrote: »

Well, some people really take ironing to new extremes.

They certainly do...






www.extremeironing.com ftw :pac:

fits

Rozabeez wrote: »

"You're a girl, you do it." attitude in a serious manner, then he'd probably find my knee in his crotch.

You dont go for the withering glance then?

I'm good at that one.

randylonghorn

brianthebard wrote: »

But if I like ironing, and yore ma likes ironing, and you think I'm a weirdo for liking ironing, does that make yore ma a weirdo???

There's one significant difference ... she's a woman!!

Oh, wait ... sh1t!! ... what have I said?! :eek:

/crawls under bed

Thaedydal wrote: »

lollers, never had them starched and ironed then.

Never needed starch down there! :pac:

Rozabeez wrote: »

But if someone takes the, "You're a girl, you do it." attitude in a serious manner, then he'd probably find my knee in his crotch.

/makes notes on how to wind Roz up

/makes second note re: wearing athletic cup before doing so

F.A.

Excellent. That's her Christmas gift sorted. A trip to the next diving location with an iron and a camera. Doesn't matter what she irons as it should take forever anyway! Hey, if it makes the lady happy!

Cheers WindSock, made my evening. :cool: Perfect for when she next makes a snide remark aimed at me.

LolaLuv

randylonghorn wrote: »

In fairness, my mother LOVED ironing, she found it very relaxing, would set herself up in front of the tv and iron for hours!

I remember watching my dad iron a lot more than my mom. He even ironed and starched his jeans!

brianthebard

Its very important to iron jeans! My ma irons towels sometimes. Never starches stuff though.

LolaLuv

brianthebard wrote: »

Its very important to iron jeans! My ma irons towels sometimes. Never starches stuff though.

Towels??? Jaysus. I mean I love nice, freshly ironed items but I hate the process of ironing too much to actually do it. And why is it important to iron jeans? If you get them fresh out of the dryer they haven't got any wrinkles anyway?

brianthebard

Well they might not be as wrinkled, although it depends on the drier. Off the line would be better, but still, jeans that are ironed feel better when you put them on imo.

Rozabeez

Rozabeez wrote: »

It doesn't particularly bother me if a man asks for help with a household job, take for example tonight my brother asked me does he cook onions or mushrooms first, and what the correct way to chop an onion is. But if someone takes the, "You're a girl, you do it." attitude in a serious manner, then he'd probably find my knee in his crotch.

Did you end doing it though ~suspicious~, men are above helpless puppy dog eyed ploys like that you know.

Nevyn

ooooh I hate the sly, "can you help me with this, please show me you are so much better at this then I am" trick to get you to do it for them.

randylonghorn

Thaedydal wrote: »

ooooh I hate the sly, "can you help me with this, please show me you are so much better at this then I am" trick to get you to do it for them.

/sighs

/puts it away

Nevyn

/looks at randylonghorn

Yeah that line is never going to work when you try to use it about a handjob :P

I know someone who's ma irons socks... then again she seperates the laundry in to something like 12 different loads.

b3t4

In our current society, I think it's fair to somewhat assume that women might know more about household chores than men might. This is thankfully changing. Here's hoping in 10yrs time you could think men as equally competent in the household chore department.

Myself and himself are pretty balanced. I'm way tidier than him so do end up tidying up after him a bit but nothing drastic. I laugh at how all he has to do is show up and my apartment gets messier instantly I don't mind the mess so much as he makes the place a little homelier.

He does all the cooking as he enjoys it whereas I don't. Other than taking out the rubbish I find I have to tell him to do other jobs though. He just doesn't seem to realise that they need to be done. If asked to do something he'll just do it however with no drama, apart from when it comes to cleaning the bathroom. Neither of us like to clean the bathroom but he likes to complain about it more than I do We split the job and take half the time to do it.

I hate ironing but he doesn't mind it too much. He'll iron my clothes but doesn't enjoy it as much, as due to boobage, women's clothes can me much more finicky to iron. I agree with him on this front. Ironing is a pain in the behind!!

A.

dh0661

b3t4 wrote: »

I hate ironing A.

Am I a freak :eek: - I actually like ironing, I find it a calming, relaxing exercise.

Am I a freak :eek: - I also like cleaning windows.

LolaLuv

dh0661 wrote: »

Am I a freak :eek: - I actually like ironing, I find it a calming, relaxing exercise.

Am I a freak :eek: - I also like cleaning windows.

Cleaning windows is a good time! It's very satisfying.

brianthebard

dh0661 wrote: »

Am I a freak :eek: - I actually like ironing, I find it a calming, relaxing exercise.

Ironing is great, but I think that still makes us freaks tbh.

Zaph

dh0661 wrote: »

Am I a freak :eek: - I actually like ironing, I find it a calming, relaxing exercise.

Freak!

brianthebard wrote: »

Ironing is great, but I think that still makes us freaks tbh.

Freak!

Sorry, but it had to be said. :P

Ironing is the most tedious and boring activity on the planet.

LolaLuv

Zaph wrote: »

Freak!



Freak!

Sorry, but it had to be said. :P

Ironing is the most tedious and boring activity on the planet.

I agree, ironing is awful. Plus I always manage to burn myself, I'm a clumsy feck.

I love cleaning bathrooms, though, someone brought that up earlier. I also really enjoy fixing things around the house, I guess that's a stereotypically male thing. Putting furniture together is fun, too.

brianthebard

Zaph wrote: »

Freak!



Freak!

Sorry, but it had to be said. :P

Ironing is the most tedious and boring activity on the planet.

Reported for abuse! bastard. :mad:

PillyPen wrote: »

I agree, ironing is awful. Plus I always manage to burn myself, I'm a clumsy feck.

I love cleaning bathrooms, though, someone brought that up earlier. I also really enjoy fixing things around the house, I guess that's a stereotypically male thing. Putting furniture together is fun, too.

I brought up the bathroom cleaning! Any time you want to make a bathroom ironing swap just let me know!

LolaLuv

brianthebard wrote: »

I brought up the bathroom cleaning! Any time you want to make a bathroom ironing swap just let me know!

Lolz, the only items I own that would need ironing are satin. I don't think I trust you with them!! (That could be rectified by you sending a portfolio of your ironing skillz!):D