Polish paper launches weekly Irish edition

chin_grin

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0918/breaking58.htm

"Fakt"....sounds a little too like "Fekt" (but not unlike "fact" which is why I'm clutching at straws here......go with me on this people!)

whiskeyman

chin_grin wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0918/breaking58.htm

"Fakt"....sounds a little too like "Fekt" (but not unlike "fact" which is why I'm clutching at straws here......go with me on this people!)

Get Fakt

Cookie_Monster

I presume it'll be in Polish rather than English?

Smart Bug

Maybe it'll be pidgin, ala "I no speaky da inglish"

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Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I presume it'll be in Polish rather than English?

Do ya think so?

Kintarō Hattori

Smart Bug wrote: »

Maybe it'll be pidgin, ala "I no speaky da inglish"

It's not worth saying anything to that other than - - - - - :rolleyes:

PurpleBerry

Bah! Ads in Polish, newspapers in Polish, TV shows in Polish, shops in Polish, where will it end? I don't recall Ireland bending over backwards for any other nationality.

Smart Bug

We're bending over forwards imo.

I've had enough poles up me ass to last me a lifetime

Roadend

Neesa wrote: »

Bah! Ads in Polish, newspapers in Polish, TV shows in Polish, shops in Polish, where will it end? I don't recall Ireland bending over backwards for any other nationality.

I was passing a fuel merchants the other day and discovered they now have coal in Polish. Its gone way too far.

Nalz

whiskeyman wrote: »

Get Fakt

off topic, but whats that film where a blind guy is sitting outside a pub and these birds walk by and he says

"get fakt"
"you get fakt too"
"and you..."

keen

Neesa wrote: »

Bah! Ads in Polish, newspapers in Polish, TV shows in Polish, shops in Polish, where will it end? I don't recall Ireland bending over backwards for any other nationality.

It's a POLISH paper with an Irish section, how did you miss that part?

latenia

Roadend wrote: »

I was passing a fuel merchants the other day and discovered they now have coal in Polish. Its gone way too far.

I saw bags of imported firewood in Polish packaging outside a shop on Talbot St yesterday. Don't they trust Irish wood? Are they that insular that they HAVE TO have the same stuff as home to throw on the fire?

PurpleBerry

keen wrote: »

It's a POLISH paper with an Irish section, how did you miss that part?

Are you from a different planet than the rest of us?

If so please learn Polish before coming to Earth.

Cookie_Monster

elviscostello wrote: »

Do ya think so?

Well if its in English we can all find out why Poland is so Sh1t that they all come to this hole instead...

It'd help them all learn english too:)

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latenia wrote: »

I saw bags of imported firewood in Polish packaging outside a shop on Talbot St yesterday. Don't they trust Irish wood? Are they that insular that they HAVE TO have the same stuff as home to throw on the fire?

We've been importing polish coal etc for years, long before the immigrants were coming here.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Well if its in English we can all find out why Poland is so Sh1t that they all come to this hole instead...

It'd help them all learn english too:)

Of course it'll be in Polish. It's a polish newspaper.

Cookie_Monster

elviscostello wrote: »

Of course it'll be in Polish. It's a polish newspaper.

The Irish Times is an Irish paper, is it in Irish...

The Gulf Times is a Emiratie paper, is it in Arabic?

EDIT: I expected it to be but thought maybe it wouldn't as it'd open up a larger market...
Or available in both languages

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Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The Irish Times is an Irish paper, is it in Irish...

No, because Irish isn't our first language.

WooPeeA

Neesa wrote: »

Bah! Ads in Polish, newspapers in Polish, TV shows in Polish, shops in Polish, where will it end? I don't recall Ireland bending over backwards for any other nationality.

You travel the world and expect everybody speaking English.. Why few sings in foreign language bother you then?

mikemac

elviscostello wrote: »

No, because Irish isn't our first language.

Oh yeah

Article 8
1. The Irish language as the national language is the first official language.
2. The English language is recognised as a second official language.

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/Pdf%20files/Constitution%20of%20IrelandNov2004.pdf

Tha Gopher

elviscostello wrote: »

We've been importing polish coal etc for years, long before the immigrants were coming here.

.

A Pole in wrk told us that he had friends working in the north of England who got a frosty reception from one or two locals with long memories. The reason being that they blamed the Poles for underminding their strikes in the 80s by sending Maggie cheap Polish coal.

Dinner

Neesa wrote: »

Bah! Ads in Polish, newspapers in Polish, TV shows in Polish, shops in Polish, where will it end? I don't recall Ireland bending over backwards for any other nationality.

I agree, it's a disgrace. And it happens all over the world too!

I hear that there's Irish papers in England. And English AND Irish papers in America. There's even shops in Australia selling Irish foods!

Disgraceful. Where will it all end?!

Zillah

Arabel wrote: »

There's even shops in Australia selling Irish foods!

Dairy Milk would make a bloody fortune.

Kintarō Hattori

Neesa wrote: »

Bah! Ads in Polish, newspapers in Polish, TV shows in Polish, shops in Polish, where will it end? I don't recall Ireland bending over backwards for any other nationality.

Ehh because no other nationality is here in such numbers. Tell me, why does it bother you?

Fratton Fred

http://www.theirishworld.com/about.asp

http://www.irishsocieties.org/about/

Dyr

There'd be more engerlish here than poles I would imagine. Least the poles dig with the same foot as us :pac:

Canis Lupus

Some of you guys should try living in London. Your heads would probably explode from all the different nationalities and ethnic minorities stealing jawbs from one another and printing their own newspapers and what not.

Fratton Fred

Bambi wrote: »

There'd be more engerlish here than poles I would imagine. Least the poles dig with the same foot as us :pac:

Huh?

Dyr

eh?

Fratton Fred

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Some of you guys should try living in London. Your heads would probably explode from all the different nationalities and ethnic minorities stealing jawbs from one another and printing their own newspapers and what not.

I was out in Bishopsgate with work colleagues.

There were three South Africans, three Indians, one Sri Lanken, one Zimbabwean, two Aussies, one Kiwi and three English. No Poles though.

Fratton Fred

Bambi wrote: »

eh?

Eh

Canis Lupus

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I was out in Bishopsgate with work colleagues.

There were three South Africans, three Indians, one Sri Lanken, one Zimbabwean, two Aussies, one Kiwi and three English. No Poles though.

We've got some extremely sexy poles working with us. Along with at least one person from every nationality in the world as well Londons cool.

Dyr

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Eh

but srsly..wha'? is it "dig with the same foot"?

kazzer

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Ehh because no other nationality is here in such numbers. Tell me, why does it bother you?

Well it bothers me because maybe perhaps I would like to read that ad in the paper or in the bank - you know, to know whats its about, but no I cant, because its in Polish.

Kintarō Hattori

kazzer wrote: »

Well it bothers me because maybe perhaps I would like to read that ad in the paper or in the bank - you know, to know whats its about, but no I cant, because its in Polish.

Hmnnn sounds like you might need to learn some more languages if you want to understand everything around you.

Canis Lupus

kazzer wrote: »

Well it bothers me because maybe perhaps I would like to read that ad in the paper or in the bank - you know, to know whats its about, but no I cant, because its in Polish.

Then blame the company who posted the advert although I'm not sure why it would piss you off that a company is trying to target a specific audience. My company advertises in a gazillion different languages for example.

Fratton Fred

Bambi wrote: »

but srsly..wha'? is it "dig with the same foot"?

yeah, what's that mean?

I've studied my "Feckin book of Irish Slang" and the other English/Irish translation dictionaries bought for me over the years, but I can't remember that one.

Dyr

"dig off the other foot".. usually means to be a protestant

kazzer

kazzer wrote: »

Well it bothers me because maybe perhaps I would like to read that ad in the paper or in the bank - you know, to know whats its about, but no I cant, because its in Polish.

Listen, I don't know if you or some of the other maniacs in this thread actually get what the OP is about, so here it is in plain English:

There is a newspaper in Poland called FAKT.
It is only printed in Polish.
It is sold over here, because there's loads of Polskis over here.
They are now going to have an "Irish" edition, printed in Polish, which carries news from Poland and News from Ireland.

WTF is your problem with that?

Fratton Fred

Bambi wrote: »

"dig off the other foot".. usually means to be a protestant

aaahhh, as in "Stands out like someone who digs off the other foot" or "Blacker than the heart of one who digs off the other foot".

Gotcha.

el_bandita

Deleted User wrote: »

Listen, I don't know if you or some of the other maniacs in this thread actually get what the OP is about, so here it is in plain English:

There is a newspaper in Poland called FAKT.
It is only printed in Polish.
It is sold over here, because there's loads of Polskis over here.
They are now going to have an "Irish" edition, printed in Polish, which carries news from Poland and News from Ireland.

WTF is your problem with that?

That is correct. This newspaper is strictly for Polish people living abroad, in this case: Ireland. It's a sh.ty tabloid - I haven't been reading that paper when I was in Poland, and I'm not going to read it here.

Cianos

kazzer wrote: »

Well it bothers me because maybe perhaps I would like to read that ad in the paper or in the bank - you know, to know whats its about, but no I cant, because its in Polish.

Let me explain one of the basics of marketing...targetting your audience allows for more efficient communication. If the ad is in Polish, it means the advertisers are targetting...that's right, Polish people. In case you feel you are missing out on something, I'm sure they are also targetting you in an English ad elsewhere.

Kintarō Hattori

el_bandita wrote: »

That is correct. This newspaper is strictly for Polish people living abroad, in this case: Ireland. It's a sh.ty tabloid - I haven't been reading that paper when I was in Poland, and I'm not going to read it here.

Aye. I mentioned to the missus that they were bringing out an edition here and she just laughed. She said she never read it when she was in Poland as it was a load of crap.

Rsaeire

I really don't understand why Ireland feels it has to infuse everything with Polish this and Polish that. Polish newspapers, Polish food in stores and even wanting to include Polish on the signs and directions in Hospitals. Honestly, I thought Ireland had one national language and now I find we're adopting a second?

Regarding Polish people in the work place. Why are so many Polish, and other nationalities, being allowed to work in customer facing roles with very little English language skills? Some people joke about how they get through to India when they're calling the Irish Dell Customer Care number, but how would these same people feel finding out that they're calling an Irish customer care number for another company and getting through to a Polish person they can barely understand and find out they're in fact not in Poland but in Ireland?

If the Polish wish to learn about what's going on in Poland they have the Internet; just like every other nationality in this country who wish to learn about what's going in their own home country. If the roles were reversed and I was in Poland, I wouldn’t expect Irish newspapers, food and everything else to be available.

Kintarō Hattori

Rsaeire wrote: »

I really don't understand why Ireland feels it has to infuse everything with Polish this and Polish that. Polish newspapers, Polish food in stores and even wanting to include Polish on the signs and directions in Hospitals. Honestly, I thought Ireland had one national language and now I find we're adopting a second?

We actually have two national languages already, irish and english. Should we strip the signs of the irish language if it irks you?
Most polish people do not want signposts etc in polish as they feel it a silly idea. That idea was mentioned by one guy, who has long since been dismissed as having any credability.

Regarding Polish people in the work place. Why are so many Polish, and other nationalities, being allowed to work in customer facing roles with very little English language skills? Some people joke about how they get through to India when they're calling the Irish Dell Customer Care number, but how would these same people feel finding out that they're calling an Irish customer care number for another company and getting through to a Polish person they can barely understand and find out they're in fact not in Poland but in Ireland?

You've had bad workplace experiences with foreign workers, all of them? I've been working with various different nationalities, including the polish since 2004 and have yet to come across someone who can't speak english. Granted where I to go into an asian shop, or one of the many eastern european food stores I'd expect that they may not speak english so I'm not too perturbed about that.

If the Polish wish to learn about what's going on in Poland they have the Internet; just like every other nationality in this country who wish to learn about what's going in their own home country. If the roles were reversed and I was in Poland, I wouldn’t expect Irish newspapers, food and everything else to be available.

It really appears that you just have a chip on your shoulder and don't like other nationalities in Ireland. It's a shame you have such a limited, narrow minded view.

Rsaeire

Rsaeire wrote: »

I really don't understand why Ireland feels it has to infuse everything with Polish this and Polish that. Polish newspapers, Polish food in stores

??????????????????????????????
This is not an Irish Government-sanctioned idea. This is akin to the Evening Herald saying they are going to produce a weekly paper with the headline stories from here and the U.S., and targetting the Irish living in the states. I honestly cannot see how you can make the jump from this paper to a shop that sells Polish food.

Also, we are not "infusing" ourselves with everything Polish. Eastern Europeans set up these shops for one simple reason.....€€€€.....thats it. Same with Tesco and Dunnes having a "Polish Aisle"....it's all about the Benjamins. It's not as if the Government or the people of Ireland have suddenly decided that there should be Polish shops opened up everywhere to accomodate them.

Rsaeire wrote: »

and even wanting to include Polish on the signs and directions in Hospitals

First I've heard of this. Source/Link?

Rsaeire wrote: »

Honestly, I thought Ireland had one national language and now I find we're adopting a second?

You thought wrong. We already have two national languages. Check out micmclo's post earlier in this thread.

Rsaeire wrote: »

If the roles were reversed and I was in Poland, I wouldn’t expect Irish newspapers, food and everything else to be available.

No, but if they were available would you buy them? Ever bought an English newspaper or Denny sausages when you were in Spain? Ever drank a pint of Bulmers in Greece or even America ? It's exactly the same, imo.

I'd be the first to acknowledge that Ireland's immigration policy is poxy, but I get the impression a lot of people just saw "Ireland.....newspaper.....in Polish....." and launched into a tirade.

Get off your fucking soapboxes for fuxache.

krpc

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

You've had bad workplace experiences with foreign workers, all of them? I've been working with various different nationalities, including the polish since 2004 and have yet to come across someone who can't speak english. Granted where I to go into an asian shop, or one of the many eastern european food stores I'd expect that they may not speak english so I'm not too perturbed about that.

You go into an Asian store willingly. You are somewhat expectant that the patrons or employees may not speak English. I believe the point was that customers calling a call centre environment in Ireland, as an example, expect to speak to someone that has a competancy in the English language. There's a difference.

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

It really appears that you just have a chip on your shoulder and don't like other nationalities in Ireland. It's a shame you have such a limited, narrow minded view.

I don't think the user above indicated a dislike of other nationalities in Ireland. I think it was indicated that the user had an issue with the manner that Polish nationalism has appeared to encroach on Irish nationalism.

krpc

Deleted User wrote: »

No, but if they were available would you buy them? Ever bought an English newspaper or Denny sausages when you were in Spain? Ever drank a pint of Bulmers in Greece or even America ? It's exactly the same, imo.

It's Magners in Greece, not Bulmers

Rsaeire

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

We actually have two national languages already, irish and english. Should we strip the signs of the irish language if it irks you?

If you look at the constitution we have one national language, Irish, which is recognised as Ireland's first language and English is recognised as Ireland's second official language, not second national language.

It really appears that you just have a chip on your shoulder and don't like other nationalities in Ireland. It's a shame you have such a limited, narrow minded view.

I in fact do not mind any nationality. If you actually read my original post you would have seen that I have an issue with how there is Polish, and to be honest I would have an issue with any other nationality in the same situation, newspapers, food, and all the other things that are prevalent in this country; and mentioned in previous posts.

Polish stores do not bother me the same way Asian and African stores do not bother me either. It is when there are separate sections in stores dedicated to Polish people etc that I have an issue with.

Kintarō Hattori

i-bloodhound wrote: »

You go into an Asian store willingly. You are somewhat expectant that the patrons or employees may not speak English. I believe the point was that customers calling a call centre environment in Ireland, as an example, expect to speak to someone that has a competancy in the English language. There's a difference.

I don't think you're following me as your first sentance is exactly the point I was making. Suffice to say I was also stating that having worked in a company that deals with the public on a daily basis I have yet to come across an employee that cannot speak english. Almost all of them speak it excellently.

I have rang various different companies within Ireland where I have been speaking to foreign representatives of their companies and again I have yet to find one who couldn't speak english or whom I couldn't understand.

Kintarō Hattori

Rsaeire wrote: »

I in fact do not mind any nationality. If you actually read my original post you would have seen that I have an issue with how there is Polish, and to be honest I would have an issue with any other nationality in the same situation, newspapers, food, and all the other things that are prevalent in this country; and mentioned in previous posts.

Polish stores do not bother me the same way Asian and African stores do not bother me either. It is when there are separate sections in stores dedicated to Polish people etc that I have an issue with.

Isn't that a contradiction.

I can't understand why you have a problem with good business sense. There are more polish here than any other foreign speaking nationality and it simply makes good sense to capture their business.

Rsaeire

Rsaeire wrote: »

.......I have an issue with how the there is Polish...newspapers, food, and all the other things that are prevalent in this country; and mentioned in previous posts.

But why? What bearing does it have on you? There are bigger, better, cheaper, and more plentiful Chinese shops/supermarkets all over the country, do you have an issue with them?

What about English newspapers (The Guardian), food (Colman's mustard) and all the other things prevalent in this country (Sky Sports, football jersies, televison programmes etc). Whats your beef with them? If you don't have any, then why not?

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Sh!t, sorry......didn't see the last paragraph of your post. As i said before, they're doing it for the money.