sidearms ....

whydave

sidearms is one all you carry ........
me i carry 3 (one glock18c electric, two GBB = hicapa 1911 plus another glock ):D

you .......

elsi

I carry;

Glock 27 KJW Metal slide in a custom Fobus holster,

5.1 Hicapa KJW Full metal Tanio Kobia Custom with a scope rail and red dot reflex sight plus 3 mags,

Berretta M1934 WA Shan Full metal,

1911 WE Full metal with custom polished lower reciever, Matt black painted slide and Khaki grips plus 3 mags.

Pics coming soon!

Rhinocharge

A M11A1 & a ASG G1 pistol, couple of grenades & a short shotgun.

You can never have enough back ups!!

hoplite

WE 1911
KWA Glock 18c
KJ Glock 32c

weeder

TM socom
or
1 of several shotguns depending on my mood

iceage

Whats the reason for a secondary?....stopages, self defence, Ammo shortage, last resort. Carry more mags and ammo for your primary and practise your reload. You'll be too busy looking for the 1,2,or 3 back ups and get dead(in the game)

Unless theres a camera about, then its important to have as many piecs hanging off you as possible!!!! cos it looks cool.:P

Sig P226, or if I'm in a really sneaky mood Glock 19. Does what it says on the tin.

whydave

iceage wrote: »

Whats the reason for a secondary?.....

the gun hit rule

NakedDex

I'll always take a Glock 17 with me, usually with 4 mags. The odd time I'll take a USPc or a P99 alongside it if I've loaded up light enough to allow it. I rather like using pistols in a game, it makes things a lot more interesting. Also, given I usually operate as the DM, I have to switch to a pistol when I get into a tight environ/house as my rifle would be far too awkward and long for FIBUA, so pistols are fairly important to me.

Also, there's not enough pistols-only games. People don't really appreciate how usefu and versatilel their sidearm is until they're forced to use it.

ED E

KJW M9 or Galaxy MP7 when its working...

Dex is right, you can do a lot of funny stuff with a pistol. *Que Dars "Hawks Roll". Must see if I can see why the M9 aint cycling properly..

iceage

Yeash!! Swat rolls.:D was navigating a fence once, fell over it, straight into a forward roll...up with the Glock 17!!! nobody saw nothin!!

Dar

With a bit of practice you can switch to a pistol a hell of a lot faster than reloading. I also find pistols great for CQB, the much smaller size can be a huge advantage.

Tigger

lol

i carry a tm 357 long python revolver running butane
and
ksc m9
or
ksc g18c
and kjw sig 226

but i carry a p90 for a secondary they are my thirdry and fourtherys

Chuck the Buck

Tigger wrote: »

lol

i carry a tm 357 long python revolver running butane
and
ksc m9
or
ksc g18c
and kjw sig 226

but i carry a p90 for a secondary they are my thirdry and fourtherys

A P90 as a secondary? OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! <runs and strokes his P90>


But yeah if you've a good game running then a pistol can be very very important! I've discovered this on several occasions - you're out of ammo or you feel the need to duel wield a glock and M4 (those zombies won't kill themselves you know!)

[--SC(+)PE--]

Regardless of my primary gun i always carry a full metal 8mm mossberg in a scabbard as a secondary with 2 hfc m199's or 1 m199 and a Nbb Ruger + a Tornado grenade. All my back up guns get a huge amount of use as i switch to them in many other circumstances besides when my primary runs out. i easily get more kills with my shotty and my beretta's then i do with my Aeg's

Stone.cold

[--SC(+)PE--] wrote: »

Regardless of my primary gun i always carry a full metal 8mm mossberg in a scabbard as a secondary with 2 hfc m199's or 1 m199 and a Nbb Ruger + a Tornado grenade. All my back up guns get a huge amount of use as i switch to them in many other circumstances besides when my primary runs out. i easily get more kills with my shotty and my beretta's then i do with my Aeg's

ahhhhhh the shorty, as yet i dont carry a side arm Bring on the D.E, for now my back up is my beloved shorty aka the widow maker

[--SC(+)PE--]

easily the most fun and intimidating gun ever

Stone.cold

[--SC(+)PE--] wrote: »

easily the most fun and intimidating gun ever

just sits in a holster on my back waiting to punish bandits

Killinator

A HSC M92F Beretta with 1:mad: mag,
and an M3 Shotty,

Becasue the only useless backup, is the backup you didnt bring:D

Lemming

I often wonder why people load themselves with loads of sidearms. You don't need that many and if you do, you're doing something seriously wrong somewhere along the line.

I carry either an M1911 or a USP Compact as my sidearm with three clips; 2 spare and one loaded. I usually only ever use the sidearm in really closed space or I am well and truly in the poo and about to get hit or some such.

That said, in Birmingham I only used my M60 with no sidearm (no holster) and tbh .... I never once came close to having to draw a sidearm. I just used the mag pouches for smoke grenades.

Fyr.Fytr

Saving for KJW sig p226

Tigger

Lemming wrote: »

I often wonder why people load themselves with loads of sidearms. You don't need that many and if you do, you're doing something seriously wrong somewhere along the line.

I carry either an M1911 or a USP Compact as my sidearm with three clips; 2 spare and one loaded. I usually only ever use the sidearm in really closed space or I am well and truly in the poo and about to get hit or some such.

That said, in Birmingham I only used my M60 with no sidearm (no holster) and tbh .... I never once came close to having to draw a sidearm. I just used the mag pouches for smoke grenades.

in a decent woodland scenario i'm gonna be carrying a support *******
i'f i have to go stealth then the support goes in a bush and its a p90 for crawling and sprinting

two pistols for dual wielding

ideally all i ever need is the modded g36

30 odd rps and the best range and accuracy of any thing i've fired no stock and a cmag but wher'sthe fun in that

its airsoft some times its more fun th die valliantly then to win in a practical manner

Lemming

Tigger wrote: »

in a decent woodland scenario i'm gonna be carrying a support *******
i'f i have to go stealth then the support goes in a bush and its a p90 for crawling and sprinting

two pistols for dual wielding

In a decent woodland scenario you're going to be utterly screwed if you're carrying that much kit. Birmingham was as good a woodland scenario as it gets, mixed with trenche-systems, bunkers, a village, etc. and honestly, if I'd been carrying an SMG/PDW and two pistols on top of my support AEG, I'd have had no chance at being able to move/crawl through some incredibly thick bush.

And whilst I'd agree fun is the name of the game, if you're unable to contribute because you're bogged down with too much equipment of your own choosing it's not going to be terribly enjoyable I should imagine. I'm not implying some sort of win-at-all-costs mentality; that's the direct polar-opposite of the above (i.e. no fun because it's neither realistic nor a challenge)

Tigger

Lemming wrote: »

In a decent woodland scenario you're going to be utterly screwed if you're carrying that much kit. Birmingham was as good a woodland scenario as it gets, mixed with trenche-systems, bunkers, a village, etc. and honestly, if I'd been carrying an SMG/PDW and two pistols on top of my support AEG, I'd have had no chance at being able to move/crawl through some incredibly thick bush.

And whilst I'd agree fun is the name of the game, if you're unable to contribute because you're bogged down with too much equipment of your own choosing it's not going to be terribly enjoyable I should imagine. I'm not implying some sort of win-at-all-costs mentality; that's the direct polar-opposite of the above (i.e. no fun because it's neither realistic nor a challenge)

i see

i would have been able to crawl through tho

pistols are small and the p90 would hardly slow some one down

are you a vegitarian
#
to fini sh i would say wwrd

Rhinocharge

Lemming wrote: »

I often wonder why people load themselves with loads of sidearms. You don't need that many and if you do, you're doing something seriously wrong somewhere along the line.

I carry either an M1911 or a USP Compact as my sidearm with three clips; 2 spare and one loaded. I usually only ever use the sidearm in really closed space or I am well and truly in the poo and about to get hit or some such.

That said, in Birmingham I only used my M60 with no sidearm (no holster) and tbh .... I never once came close to having to draw a sidearm. I just used the mag pouches for smoke grenades.

1st: may run out of ammo, or a dead battery, or gearbox malfunction.
2nd: may run out of ammo, gas or a dead battery, or gearbox malfunction.
3rd: if it's an asg, no need for gas, battery, it's idiot proof ( cock & shoot ).
4th+: personal choice, the last ditch gun, close quarters, before the position is over run ( shotty or grenades )

Lemming

Rhinocharge wrote: »

1st: may run out of ammo, or a dead battery, or gearbox malfunction.
2nd: may run out of ammo, gas or a dead battery, or gearbox malfunction.
3rd: if it's an asg, no need for gas, battery, it's idiot proof ( cock & shoot ).
4th+: personal choice, the last ditch gun, close quarters, before the position is over run ( shotty or grenades )

Fair enough. Couple of points though;

• How often are you likely to need triple redundancy, never anything greater?
• Why not carry a spare battery instead of a completely seperate backup. It's lighter and takes up less space. If you need to change battery, whip the secondary out 'just in case' and then compete the battery reconnect
• Instead of carrying more ammo for your primary, you now have to carry more ammo spread across different magazine types (which takes up even more space) which you then have to remember where what goes where on your webbing. IMO, "less is more" in terms of what you have on/in your webbing.
• I would have thought your secondary is "last ditch" since you're up close and personal and/or out of ammo. How often do you actually use your secondary? I go through days of never even needing it.

Anyway, it's up to whatever the person in question wants to do. That's just my own personal opinion on the matter.

And Tigger, what the hell does my being/not being vegetarian have to do with anything?

Gizmodeon

Dragon We Hi Cappa
my new baby

sometimes ill use the m500 shotty as a sidearm too :P

NakedDex

One side arm with a couple of mags is more than enough for pretty much any situation. If you need more than that, it's not another gun you need, it's another gunner. If it's gotten to a situation where your primary is dry/dead and you don't think you're going to make it through an area using just your sidearm, call in some back up instead. That's what your team mates are there for.
You are not Keanu Reeves, this is not The Matrix, you cannot carry 2 rifles, 4 shotguns, 4 grenade launchers, 8 pistols etc into a fire fight and be effective. You might think you are, but some of us here have been around the block enough times to see people who think they can do it on the field. It's not pretty and it's not effective. It's akin to watching a duck waddling sometimes, people are so laden down. A sidearm is a holstered pistol, not a slung SMG or shotgun. If you truly, absolutely must have full auto in your secondary, why not get a Glock 18/26 or an M93?

Also, duel wielding, while fun, is completely pointless unless you're doing it in a computer game or a movie.

[--SC(+)PE--]

Also, duel wielding, while fun, is completely pointless unless you're doing it in a computer game or a movie.

With practice duel wielding can be effective especially in indoor games though for outdoor use id agree that you would usually be better off with just one.

SniperSight

I have a GBB Glock 17 and GBB M1911, with a couple of mags each, although I only carry one at any time.

There have been plenty of times I've needed my pistol. Most often when I'm crawling for a flag or objective in CQB, its just far easier to crawl/roll quickly when I dont need to haul my primary but can still defend myself.

Also when I here a "ping" of my primary, I know I've got a back-up to keep playing.

To each their own, but no-one could convince me otherwise as to the usefulness of having a sidearm.

whydave

Lads ....
I started this thread to see what other people carry not why ..... FUN FUN
also what if your long arm (m-4 ,AK etc...) is hit

SniperSight

That would be one of the main reasons I carry one. Only problem I have though is My M1911 is Uber-cool:D, but it has less mag capacity then my Glock(which isnt bad looking!!). Sigh, Decision, Decisions!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no war was ever lost for having too many Guns!!!:D

Rhinocharge

NakedDex wrote: »

You are not Keanu Reeves, this is not The Matrix, you cannot carry 2 rifles, 4 shotguns, 4 grenade launchers, 8 pistols etc into a fire fight and be effective. You might think you are, but some of us here have been around the block enough times to see people who think they can do it on the field. It's not pretty and it's not effective. It's akin to watching a duck waddling sometimes, people are so laden down. A sidearm is a holstered pistol, not a slung SMG or shotgun. If you truly, absolutely must have full auto in your secondary, why not get a Glock 18/26 or an M93?
Also, duel wielding, while fun, is completely pointless unless you're doing it in a computer game or a movie.

Ah the voice of alledged experience. Sometimes it's handy to have the 3rd back up, especially when your mate doesn't have his secondary. Stop it with all the negative waves!!

Nobody stated to carrying a personal arsenal. Stop reading into what's not there.

Some of ye are forgetting that having the choice is what makes it appealing, or to others, carring the extra 5-10 kgs is nothing to them.

Are ye really telling me, you've never thought of concealing a G2 colt 25 in an ankle holster? Maybe you should, now that everyone knows ye have only 2 choices of gun.

Each to their own I say.

Sod'o swords

g23.
1.5 seconds of gas, more than enough for the mag.
Small and efficient.

Masada

usually a KWA G18c with me and the blackhawk serpa, sometimes the G26c instead. have a few M9s and stuff too., oh and not forgetting stubby killer.,lo thats kinda a sidearm.,

kevteljeur

P226, and 2 mags. I have to say, as soon as I have an excuse to drop my main gun and get down to the pistol, I can't draw it fast enough.



It's almost like the pistol is my main gun, and my AEG is just to help me get close enough to use it...

knifey_spoonie

It depends on what main you use if i bring the 8mm, i will the have the 32c 1911 2 revolvers and a mac 10 on a bungee sling, for those just in case moments

NakedDex

Rhinocharge wrote: »

Ah the voice of alledged experience. Sometimes it's handy to have the 3rd back up, especially when your mate doesn't have his secondary. Stop it with all the negative waves!!

Nobody stated to carrying a personal arsenal. Stop reading into what's not there.

Ah here, quit with the personal stuff. I was making a broad generalisation, I thought that would have been clear from the outlandish figures I put in and the comparison to a film. I have plenty of experience, but that's not the issue, I do find the "alleged" phrase in that quite offensive.

I have seen people with crazy amounts of kit on them. One person sticks out in my memory from about a year ago. Some form of M4+203 as a primary, and an M92 as a sidearm. Grand. He also had an MP7 on his lower back, a Mossberg shotgun, slung over his upper back, a pistol on each hip, a pistol on each thigh and a Derringer on his ankle. This guy though he was the mutts nutts but he was only effective as a bullet magnet. Ironically, the game involved no respawns, one hit kill, and the guy was taken out by a newbie with a rental MP5 and one mag.

I'm all for each to their own. I'll get up on a soapbox and defend anyone's right to use whatever the hell they want (except for box mags on assault rifles, but that's another story). All I'm saying is, going into a skirmish tooled up for World War Six is often more of a hindrance than a help.
Use whatever the hell you want, it won't bother me. I'm just speaking from my experience personally, with my own kit, and from playing with/against hundreds of skirmishers across Ireland and the UK.


Anyway, back on topic.
I'm considering getting some kind of revolver. Practicality be-damned, it'd be nice to draw on something beefier thanthe polymer frame pistols I usually tote, just for a change now and then.

Frank the Manc

I use a 1911 mainly, wit 2 spare mags.
used to use a Glock 23 cos it was handy & compact but i started findinh it somewhat under powdered and consequently inaccurate, mostly due to its shorter barrel.

the 1911 will score head shots out to 30 yards about 7 times out of 10.

i also have a Glock 18c with a vertilcal foregrip for CQB or smg only games

iceage

Thats the thingy with a g23 I believe, G17 seems to have no difficulty over say a range of roughly 25-30 yds. same with my P226 but its heavier on gas I find.

NakedDex

The one big advantage of plastic slides over metal slides; they require less gas to cycle. My USPc never ceases to amaze me in that it's able to let loose around four full mags of ammo before regassing the mag. My old 229 could just about get off one and a half.

iceage

yeah, the usp compact has been on my list for a while, must get finger out and invest, might look into a metal slide also as an upgrade option....

Tigger

[--SC(+)PE--] wrote: »

With practice duel wielding can be effective especially in indoor games though for outdoor use id agree that you would usually be better off with just one.

i fully and totally dissagree with this

if its accuracy and precision in a mill sim type enviroment your after then a p90 and g18c for back up are all anyone ever need

but when you want the opposition to just get there heads down there is nothing to match dual wielded support weapons its about bbs in the air and the noise generated

TheDoc

ive got a kjw m9, we 1911, tom python revolver.

At the moment im using my M9 loads. Mainly because ive a savage holster for it.

I tried out the 2 and 3 pistols to carry, was too much, one is enough in fairness.

Need to buy some spare pistol mags

Tigger

i like to stick 2 pistols in the mag pouches of my vest

i find that bits ease to manuver with them there and i find holsters slap arounf when running and hurt when hitting the dirt

birdman 1979

p226, all the way (one mag) . Way more fun to use

Tactical

MP5

KJW P226

+ spare mags for both.

I agree with the poster who said not enough pistol events. I think my pistol has fired more rounds than the MP5.

iceage

Hmm, maybe a pistol only game me thinks. Face off!!!!:D

Dr_Pepper

I use the pistol for close range,
Having said that at HRTA on sunday we did an ammo limit game with 300 rounds on single shot only. My pistol came in extremely handy.
So i think its about how you use it and the scenario that your in.
Were deffo doing more of those games next weekend.

NakedDex

Pistols only games in HRTA are some of the best fun you can have skirmishing. Often times not everyone has a pistol so those without them who wish to play will be allowed one midcap for their rifle and semi-only use. For the purpose of them, shot guns do count as usable too.

If I think there's one of these games on, I'll usually bring a few spare pistols for those who wouldn't have them. Just so they can get a flavour of why these games are so popular.

pistolakilla

pistols are the way to go at the mo im rockin my sig 226 and a co2 sigma long mag *soon to come pair p99 and possibly a glock or 2 ,,,,,, 6 pistols and get really close seems a little more personal "know wat i mean";)

iceage

Oooooookay.....