Have you ever had your drink spiked ?

Nevyn

Have you ever had your drink spiked, with extra alcohol or something of a chemical nature ?

Over the last year it has happened to two of my friends on a night out when I was there.
One of them doesn't drink alcohol at all so we knew right away,
the other had only 2 and half glasses of wine but we figured it out quickly,
both times it was chemical and it happened recently to another friend as well.

Then there was the lad who bought one of my friends a vodak and coke and it was a tripple she wasn't impressed at all.

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I would say one of the reasons it is under reported it due to the fact rohypnol causes aminsea.

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So Rohypnol can be detected in the body for up to 72 hours and alas GHB can only be detected for 12, so it is important that people get tested and yes guys get spiked too.

There are those who will say that it's a lot of nonsense and this doesn't happen and where are the official figures, but those required people, mostly women reporting this when it happens and most don't due to aminesa or embarrassment or wishing it never happened. Given the under reporting of rape and sexual assulat in this country I don't find that surprising at all.

So ladies have you or your friends ever had your drinks spiked with chemicals or extra alcohol ?

Larianne

There was a discussion about this on one of the radio shows a few weeks ago and a lot of people rang in to say that the percentage given was too high and that most people who thought their drink was spiked just got really really drunk and don't remember so blame their actions on being spiked.

It has happened to me, but when I was in the States a few years ago. I think it was a barman as my friend and I kept an eye on our drinks the whole night. And even at that we didn't have a huge amount to drink. I was fine one minute, then in the taxi I started to mumble and not make sense. My friend had to hold me up when we got back to the apartment and I nearly fell over the banisters. I threw up any time I woke up. I was in bed for 2 days after that night out. It took me about 5 days to fully recover from it. I never went and got myself tested as I didn't have any health insurance. Luckily nothing bad happened to me, but I was very scared as I couldn't move from the bed.

I well believe it is happening here and that a lot of the time, the spiker knows the spikee.

Will

Happened to me last year believe it or not :eek:

Was in a pub, had 1 pint then the rest of the night is a blur. I don't remember anything, I was drinking with a huge bunch of women though so maybe the scumbag thought it was one of the girl's drinks. Another girl in the group also got spiked.

Very scary.

Scarinae

One of my friends had her drink spiked while we were on a mystery tour with college, it either happened in the first venue we arrived at or someone spiked her drink on the bus (probably at the first club - there's not much chance of date raping someone on a bus when they're surrounded by their friends) She started acting really strange, like she was absolutely trolleyed, even though it was quite early on in the trip and she had only had about two drinks. She's not a big drinker as it is, so we noticed and were able to look after her. She has absolutely no recollection of it at all

Awayindahils

Happen to me one night in a very posh bar. Got cocktails with some friends, and none of remember the rest of the night. (one cocktail was all we drank and we had been out for dinner) The other two went home, but I went to meet up with my ex (he was my bf at the time). He said it is some of the scariest he has ever seen me act. I haver a vague memory of sliding off a bench onto the ground and not being able to control my limbs. I have no memory of getting on the bus, or home. Amazing what one can do on auto pilot.

Ginny

Yup, about 10 years ago I was at a fashion event in the pod, had water all through the show and ordered a pint just as the as it was turned back into a club. I had about 3/4 of a pint left when I needed the loo, handed the pint to my then boyfriend and tottered off, came back and he handed me back the drink, now my drink was a little less full but I thought he had been drinking it. I finished the pint and again went to the loo, here everything goes a bit hazy, i remember sitting in the toilet puking my guts up, hearing people calling my name but being unable to call back out to them, with people hammering on the door, eventually my friend (who thankfully was a nurse) climbed over the door and found me, according to her my eyes were rolling in the back of my head and I was projectile vomiting everywhere, and making no sense at all. An hour had passed since I left to go to the loo and everyone had been looking for me. Eventually they got me outside and into a taxi, but I had to get out again as I was puking. The whole time I knew something had been done to me, as everything was so unreal and I was so out of it.
I eventually got home and remember forcing myself not to sleep as I was so scared I wouldn't wake up. It took me a good 4-5 days to get over it, for the next 2 days my balance was awful, the morning after it happened I just kept keeling over out of the blue.
Turns out the boyfriend at the time had put my pint down when I went to the Loo and picked it up again as I walked back, so i dunno if he picked up someone elses doctored pint or if it was deliberate.
it was the scariest thing ever, and I always watch my drinks like a hawk now.

Will

Yeah I was in pieces for the nexy 2 days also, couldn't even keep down water. Scary, I don't remember anything, night is a total blank. My mates just laughed about it thinking I was off my trolley drunk. They feel terrible about it now.

I got sick outside of the pub and when we got home, then most of the day after. Can happen so easily. Was grand on the 3rd day

I'm big enough so maybe the same amount effects ladies a lot more. :-/

Ginny

Yeah worst thing was my boyfriend at the time panicked and told everyone that i drank too much including my family so they didn't believe about it being something else, till the nurse friend told them, thank god she was there that night so knew exactly how to look after me.
What scares me the most is imagine a girl out on her own being like that, I couldn't even put one foot in front of the other let alone call out for help, I don't know how to explain it but my body just would not do what I was trying to make it do, it took all my energy to keep my eyes open and focused during it all.

Larianne

Yeah, I tried to get up the second day after the night it happened to go to the toilet and could barely make it and had to go back to bed I was so weak. I had so many burst capillaries on my face because of the vomiting. I drank gatorade by the bucketful after.

kmick

Did any of you get tested after? Even just to find out what chemical it was? It was unlikely to be rohypnol as it does not really disolve and is really blue.

Could have been something like

GHB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid
or
Ketamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

Ketamine (Special K) is a horse tranquiliser used by vets and GHB (often called liquid mdma incorrectly) is a general anesthetic. Both are fairly widely available and the effects are similar to what was described. Both are very dangerous when taken with alchohol so your friends should have taken you to hospital in all cases bar none.

Will

I was away in France at the time, would have been the wiser thing to do.
There are pics from the night and my eyes are just blank, I'm there in person but that's about it.

Rayven199

Hasnt happened to me thank god. Hope it never does!

Was out with 2 of my friends one night though and we had only had 2 drinks (at the most) by the time we got into Kildare town. We got drinks in one of the pubs in Kildare and shortly after that one of my friends appeared to be buckled! Shes a small girl but well able for her drink and after only 3 drinks we were a bit surprised!

I have never seen anything like it though, she didnt know what was going on, where she was and lost complete control of herself. We had to carry her out of the place, she couldnt walk. We eventually got her phone out and called her boyfriend who came and picked her up. She was sick for the next two days, doesnt remember a thing from the night-even for a long time after her BF picked her up!

It was scary, we thought she had maybe had some drink before she had come out but afterwards she said that she hadnt so the only explaination is that the drink was spiked!

fits

Its never happened to me or any of my friends that I know of.

It think ketamine is the best candidate for it in a lot of cases as it is widely available. Users put it in their own drinks too. For some unfathomable reason its a big club drug these days.

Bottle_of_Smoke

2 of my female cousins have had it happen, one was raped the other was lucky in that her friends were there to bring her home.

The girl who was raped doesn't drink at all & as far as I know was one of her "friends" who did it

litup

It happened to me once many years ago on holidays. The boyfriend says it was the scariest night of his life, I don't really remember it exept for odd flashes. Luckily I had some good friends with me who brought me home. I woke up the next morning with scratches all over myself, apparantly I had thought there were spiders all over me. I had had a fair few drinks but there is no way drink made me act like that.

I used to work behind the bar in a well known nightclub in Dublin. One night 2 lads came up asking for pints with double vodkas in them. I twigged what they were up to and said no so they went to a bar on a different floor and ordrered 2 pints and 2 vodkas, which they then lobbed in. Security found them just as they were giving them to 2 girls (who had thought there were lovely generous lads for getting a round in).

Wibbs

fits wrote: »

It think ketamine is the best candidate for it in a lot of cases as it is widely available. Users put it in their own drinks too. For some unfathomable reason its a big club drug these days.

I reckon the same. Ketamine is the more likely culprit. I've known enough better life through chemistry types over the years and I would say rohypnol would be hard enough to come by. Ketamine would be a doddle by comparison.

The only thing are the symptoms people report here. I would have thought ketamine would clear the system far quicker than 3 days. AFAIR It doesn't cause amnesia to that degree either. Then again who knows the dosage and with alcohol too.

kmick

Wibbs wrote: »

I reckon the same. Ketamine is the more likely culprit. I've known enough better life through chemistry types over the years and I would say rohypnol would be hard enough to come by. Ketamine would be a doddle by comparison.

The only thing are the symptoms people report here. I would have thought ketamine would clear the system far quicker than 3 days. AFAIR It doesn't cause amnesia to that degree either. Then again who knows the dosage and with alcohol too.

No amnesia - in high enough doses it does...
"Ketamine produces a most useful state of dissociative anaesthesia. The patient rapidly goes into a trance-like state, with widely open eyes and nystagmus. He is unconscious, amnesic and deeply analgesic."

fits

Wibbs wrote: »

The only thing are the symptoms people report here. I would have thought ketamine would clear the system far quicker than 3 days. AFAIR It doesn't cause amnesia to that degree either. Then again who knows the dosage and with alcohol too.

Yeah I agree. When people are sick for a long time after something else must be the culprit. I dont know anything about GHB.

But loss of limb control, amnesia and generally being out of it is what ketamine does. Nausea only in very few cases.

Ginny

kmick wrote: »

Did any of you get tested after? Even just to find out what chemical it was? It was unlikely to be rohypnol as it does not really disolve and is really blue.

Could have been something like

GHB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid
or
Ketamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

Ketamine (Special K) is a horse tranquiliser used by vets and GHB (often called liquid mdma incorrectly) is a general anesthetic. Both are fairly widely available and the effects are similar to what was described. Both are very dangerous when taken with alchohol so your friends should have taken you to hospital in all cases bar none.

Never got tested, to be honest for ages afterwards the boyfriend at the time had me half convinced it was nothing major, I was only 18 or so and honestly felt embarassed and stupid about the whole thing.
Plus by the time i was back to being human and that thought crossed my mind, the window for detection had long passed.
It was only looking back and talking to the friend that was there that I was sure something had happened.
Actually the nurse mentioned Ketamine, she thought it was that or some other drug rather then rohypnol.

kmick

fits wrote: »

Yeah I agree. When people are sick for a long time after something else must be the culprit. I dont know anything about GHB.

But loss of limb control, amnesia and generally being out of it is what ketamine does. Nausea only in very few cases.

The one thing you have to factor in for any of these drugs is that they are bought and sold by unscrupulous people who cut them with other noxious products. So if you took GHb or Ketamine in a pure dose from Johnson and Fonson big pharma then you probably wont be ill.You take some GHB from a backstreet lab in Holland. Add in some bulkers from a guy in Cabra and mix it with alchohol and gods knows what else then all bets are off as regards side effects.

WindSock

Yes, but it may have been one of those weird red bull reactions. I was out with a bunch of new college people and their friends. I felt wrong so I went to the toilets and I couldnt move. I decided that my drink must have been spiked so I mustered up my energy to stick my fingers down my throat and purge everything in my stomach. I was in that toilet for a good half hour. I tried to call a friend but there was no reception so I waited until I felt better and less weak then resurfaced and called my friend to pick me up. It was scary thinking that my drink could have been spiked.

Miss Fluff

Happened a friend and I a few years ago. Were in a pub in the south city, we reckon we were spiked there just before we left the pub as we got a taxi into town and then blank. Have no recollection of anything after that. We remember going down the steps to the club but nothing after that, no idea how we got home and I have no recollection of anything until about 1pm the next day. I was at a conference with a colleague in the morning and don't remember even how I got there.:eek: Friend was the exact same. It was absolutely terrifying.

fits

kmick wrote: »

The one thing you have to factor in for any of these drugs is that they are bought and sold by unscrupulous people who cut them with other noxious products. So if you took GHb or Ketamine in a pure dose from Johnson and Fonson big pharma then you probably wont be ill.You take some GHB from a backstreet lab in Holland. Add in some bulkers from a guy in Cabra and mix it with alchohol and gods knows what else then all bets are off as regards side effects.

Drug dealers are in business the same as anyone else. Its not in their interest to sell something that will make someone violently ill for days on end.

Also the ketamine available on the streets here generally originates from the big pharma companies rather than backstreet labs. Vets, dentists and doctors all use it ( not recreationally obviously ). My point being that it is widely available and not illegal, although it is tightly controlled.

Fletch123

Happened at a ball I was at. Put my wine down beside my friends to dance picked it up again, and after a while *blank*. according to my friends I suddenly got very very very drunk, falling all over the place, then ran to the loo where I puked my guts up and passed out on rotation for about an hour before my date was able to bring me home. Wasn't right for about 3 days afterwards. It was only after a few weeks that I realised that my drink must have been spiked (had been trying not to think about it as I was so embarrassed). I probably picked up the wrong glass after dancing...

The Sweeper

Think it happened to me years ago in Dublin.

Was drinking, so definitely had drink taken, however went from "fine, drinking" to "falling over, vomiting" within the space of 30 minutes, with no drunkenness in between. Tried to climb out of the back of a moving taxi on Pearse Street about 30 minutes later.

The thing that made me think my drink was spiked, instead of me just being drunk, was I had no hangover the next day. I just woke up feeling as though I had lost great expanses of memory.

This is a really scarey thread.

I've a few friends claim that their drinks were spiked. But actually they were overdoing vodka.

kmick

fits wrote: »

Drug dealers are in business the same as anyone else. Its not in their interest to sell something that will make someone violently ill for days on end.

Also the ketamine available on the streets here generally originates from the big pharma companies rather than backstreet labs. Vets, dentists and doctors all use it ( not recreationally obviously ). My point being that it is widely available and not illegal, although it is tightly controlled.

The point I am making is that if you are given something and you dont know what it is you cant possibly determine whether or not it will make you sick or how sick you will be. I just gave an example of some GHB manufactured illegally, mixed with god knows what and then taken with alcohol. How do you know most of the Ketamine originates from big pharma - with all due respect are you the sole supplier - cause if not then I would respectfully suggest you have no idea where it comes from.

Funnily enough I found a description of an overdose of ketamine - it is called a k-hole.

K-Hole: In terms of recreational use, the most problematic acute risk associated with Special K is doing too much at once, moving from a recreational dose to an anesthetic dose, and ending up in a K-hole. The experience can be quite frightening if you are alone or are unprepared for it-the dissociative quality of this drug will leave you feeling confused, disoriented, and unable to communicate with others. This can lead to any number of problems-vomiting, passing out, being scared ****less, being a burden on any friends who have to look after your, or ending an otherwise great night. If you want to avoid a K-hole, take some time to figure out what the correct dose is for you.

WindSock

I've had that thing happen to me once before from drinking wine. I was in a mates place surrounded by friends so I ruled out spikeage. I think I just had an extremely bad reaction to the wine as I was puking my guts up for most of the night, only after 2 glasses.

omb0wyn5ehpij9

A scary amount of people are coming up with stories of being spiked and this thread isnt even up long :eek:

fits

kmick wrote: »

How do you know most of the Ketamine originates from big pharma - with all due respect are you the sole supplier - cause if not then I would respectfully suggest you have no idea where it comes from.

from wikipedia.

Ketamine sold illicitly comes from diverted legitimate supplies and semi-legitimate suppliers, or theft, primarily from veterinary clinics. Most of the world's illicit ketamine comes from Asia-based pharmaceutical manufacturers, who often willingly sell it to Western individuals, who then sell it to users. This way, many ounces or even kilos of pharmaceutical ketamine are sold and shipped in each transaction by legitimate Asian producers, who will sometimes relabel the packaging before shipping with names of unregulated chemicals, making it harder for customs to discover the shipments. The many commercial advertisement websites aimed at companies who are looking to import or export products has made it a lot easier for individuals to buy ketamine over the Internet. Until recent years ketamine wasn't regulated in most countries, and customs and police authorities were powerless to stop the import of bulk pharmaceutical ketamine from Asian manufacturers; though this has changed due to the rising number of reports of use/abuse of ketamine, prompting countries to regulate the drug. Chinese authorities tried to regulate the production and sale of ketamine more as well in recent years, and several large quantities of ketamine meant for illicit sale were seized by authorities. In the US near its border with Mexico, the drug is most commonly acquired in Mexico, where it can be bought over the counter in veterinary clinics, and smuggled across the border.

The drug is widely available across the world. It is easy to acquire and easy to ship to countries like Ireland. Why would illegal suppliers build their own manufacturing facilities when it is so easy to acquire?

Practically anything can be bought over the counter in some countries.

Funnily enough I found a description of an overdose of ketamine - it is called a k-hole.

K-Hole: In terms of recreational use, the most problematic acute risk associated with Special K is doing too much at once, moving from a recreational dose to an anesthetic dose, and ending up in a K-hole. The experience can be quite frightening if you are alone or are unprepared for it-the dissociative quality of this drug will leave you feeling confused, disoriented, and unable to communicate with others. This can lead to any number of problems-vomiting, passing out, being scared ****less, being a burden on any friends who have to look after your, or ending an otherwise great night. If you want to avoid a K-hole, take some time to figure out what the correct dose is for you.

Thats kind of what I was describing earlier.

John Mason

Thaedydal wrote: »

So ladies have you or your friends ever had your drinks spiked with chemicals or extra alcohol ?

was at a party a few months ago, and i was being very careful about what i was drinking, as i had to drive the next day.

Someone offered me a short, i said no but it was pushed on me. i thought i was doing really well because i was just sipping the drink and it was lasting and then everything went a bit mental.

i got told the next morning, that the person had been topping up my drink with straight alcohol everytime i turned my back and that i must have had at least 1/2 a bottle of spirits on top of the lager i had been drinking .

suffice to say, i wasnt well the next day or impressed. i am not really a big drinker usually. i thought it was very unfair of the person but also of the people who noticed what was going on and didnt tell me.

Mr. Incognito

I have a suspicion that people tend to get really trolled and then blame being plastered on their drink being spiked- walk around the end of grafton street when the trinity ball is on - they can't all be drinking spiked drinks.

It's even more telling that people are drinking vodka, wine and other drinks with high alcohol contents that can HIT you on an empty stomach/fatigue etc.

I would guess the actual incidence's of people having their drinks spiked is very very low and people are just hammered.

I'm tried a lot of drugs in my time and I'm been totally hammered on occasion. If I had some ketemine I wouldn't be wasting it on some randomers drink.

Having a cursory glance

Shes a small girl but well able for her drink and after only 3 drinks

small girl drinking three pints- I'm a lad and I'd be drunk after two.

But loss of limb control, amnesia and generally being out of it is what ketamine does

Well I've had Ketamine and I've not experienced those sympthoms on it. There is one drug I've tried that sounds like that though, alcohol.

Yes, but it may have been one of those weird red bull reactions

especially when you mix it with VODKA

Happened at a ball I was at. Put my wine down

And I'm sure one doesn't drink at a ball at all.


I think people need to examine their own drinking habis and relationships with alcohol rather than blaming the mysterious boogeyman "spike"

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but large quantities of alcohol makes one sick, fall down and not remember things- who knew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_poisoning

^^ worth a read. Might sound familiar to some people here

fits

SetantaL wrote: »

I have a suspicion that people tend to get really trolled and then blame being plastered on their drink being spiked- walk around the end of grafton street when the trinity ball is on - they can't all be drinking spiked drinks.

It's even more telling that people are drinking vodka, wine and other drinks with high alcohol contents that can HIT you on an empty stomach/fatigue etc.

I would guess the actual incidence's of people having their drinks spiked is very very low and people are just hammered.

I'd tend to agree with you. I dont think it happens that often either.

I'm tried a lot of drugs in my time and I'm been totally hammered on occasion. If I had some ketemine I wouldn't be wasting it on some randomers drink.

You could perhaps get hammered and mix up your drinks though?

Dragan

kmick wrote: »

Ketamine (Special K) is a horse tranquiliser used by vets and GHB (often called liquid mdma incorrectly) is a general anesthetic. Both are fairly widely available and the effects are similar to what was described. Both are very dangerous when taken with alchohol so your friends should have taken you to hospital in all cases bar none.

GHB is also a research chemical, available in a lot of household cleaners and can be purchased with a degree of ease over the internet.

People seem to confuse it with Liquid MDMA as it can be taken to fairly similar effect.

Phlann

:rolleyes: @ entire thread


You'll forgive me for being sceptical, but having had several experiences of female friends claiming they were spiked - even engaging in mutual reinforcement of this bizarre little fantasy the next day ("we definitely didn't drink that much") - when actually I was with them all night and saw them get completely blotto on double vodkas, comments like the ones in this thread really make me laugh.

I'm going to make a bold prediction here: If 100 women reply to this thread saying their drink was spiked or tampered with in any way, probably around 10 of them will be correct.

That's still 10 too many, but methinks it's not as widespread as some girls would have you believe.

I suppose it's good in a way that there's this level of paranoia about it though, it at least demonstrates that people are aware of the danger.

Awayindahils

@ entire thread


You'll forgive me for being sceptical, but having had several experiences of female friends claiming they were spiked - even engaging in mutual reinforcement of this bizarre little fantasy the next day ("we definitely didn't drink that much") - when actually I was with them all night and saw them get completely blotto on double vodkas, comments like the ones in this thread really make me laugh.

I used to think like that, I always assumed when people said they were spiked it was just a case of too much alcohol and being embarassed. However my attitude to that changed due to my own experience.

There is one incedent and one incedent only where I think I was spiked and as much as it is easy to say 'oh-but-she-just-had-too-to-drink' I see a difference in what happened to me that night and any other drunk night through how I reacted.

I went to a ball a few months ago, and suffered a black out during it. I came home and threw up my wreck for 5 hours. I was so out of it that I didn't pay the taxi driver and my friend who put me in the taxi didn't pay the taxi either, he just let me out of the car evidently. The next morning my mother asked me was I spiked. I said no, I had just drunk 6-10 double vodkas with only the smallest dash of lime in them, had had no food, and drank a bottle of cheap bubbly. I was wretched for 3 days afterwards, but I'm pretty sure thats because basically had vodka running in my veins.

It was horrible, and not paying the taxi driver was a little odd, but my behaviour wasn't all that out of character despite the whole amount of alcohol. I cried a lot (I've been known to do this on occassion) and I was a bit wobbly in my high heels but nothing weird for me. (drinking that much alcohol is weird for me btw)

The night I think I was spiked, I got abusive (which never happens). I lost all use of my limbs. I have no idea how long I sat in Trinity on my own that night. I have a brief recollection of trying to remember how to walk, and deciding that I was going to do it and go home. I can't remember getting home. Even in my worst states I always remember getting home. Always, evening mid-puking binge, I register that I am in my house. I had none of that. I didn't throw up. I didn't cry (not that I know of anyway). I rang the girls the next day and they said it was the worst next hangover that they had ever had too. And the thing is, we had all be to an italien for dinner and had had big heaps of pasta and this was our one cocktail. No little girls, with empty tummies and too much booze. And it would have been way easier if it was just that.

Ginny

I'm certain my drink was spiked, I've been extremely drunk numerous times before and after my incident but none of them have even close to what I experienced that night, plus the fact I had a grand total of 1 pint the night it happened.
As for people not wasting drugs on other people, some people are sick and get a kick out of it, or drinks could be mixed up.
Also for what you experienced on Ketamine SetantaL, everyone is different, every dosage effects individuals different and noone can predict exactly what someone else will experience.

Mr. Incognito

The night I think I was spiked, I got abusive (which never happens). I lost all use of my limbs. I have no idea how long I sat in Trinity on my own that night. I have a brief recollection of trying to remember how to walk, and deciding that I was going to do it and go home. I can't remember getting home. Even in my worst states I always remember getting home. Always, evening mid-puking binge, I register that I am in my house. I had none of that. I didn't throw up.

How do you know? you don't remember apparaently


I didn't cry (not that I know of anyway). I rang the girls the next day and they said it was the worst next hangover that they had ever had too. And the thing is, we had all be to an italien for dinner and had had big heaps of pasta and this was our one cocktail. No little girls, with empty tummies and too much booze. And it would have been way easier if it was just that.

So you went for pasta for dinner, had cocktails (mixed drink) and went to Trinity where you um.....drank water?

And! All your friends drinks were spiked too? The same girls that had one cocktail for dinner too and went to Trinity and drank........water?

I've highlighted the above passages in bold for you. As for everyone else being sick- maybe you had some dodgy Italian and washed it down with copious amounts of alcohol. If you are ringing your mates the next day and having a girly chat about hangovers you're drink was certainly not spiked.

If it was

You would not be able to get home, you'd be in an incoherient puddle on the floor and you certainly wouldn't remember your address for the cabbie that most likely took you home.

Red Hand

I'd have to agree with setantaL on this...many of these instances could be down to drinking too much and/or mixing drinks.

I've only had two black outs, with the first being where I had a few pints of beer and later had a few glasses of white wine. After drinking the wine, I blacked out and found myself in a different pub, with a 2 hour gap unaccounted for.

Second time, it was a work night out and again I foolishy mixed every sort of a drink. Started at 2.00pm and had WKD, different beers, cocktails, wine...by 7.00pm, I was present in body during the meal, but not in spirit, (though I did eat). I came to shortly after.

Having no memory of who I was talking to, or what I was doing is scary but that was down to my own fault at mixing drinks/drinking too much.

Mr. Incognito

As for people not wasting drugs on other people, some people are sick and get a kick out of it, or drinks could be mixed up.

Also for what you experienced on Alcohol SetantaL, everyone is different, every dosage effects individuals different and noone can predict exactly what someone else will experience.

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Mr. Presentable

Thaedydal wrote: »

Have you ever had your drink spiked, with extra alcohol or something of a chemical nature ?

Over the last year it has happened to two of my friends on a night out when I was there.
One of them doesn't drink alcohol at all so we knew right away,
the other had only 2 and half glasses of wine but we figured it out quickly,
both times it was chemical and it happened recently to another friend as well.

Then there was the lad who bought one of my friends a vodak and coke and it was a tripple she wasn't impressed at all.



I would say one of the reasons it is under reported it due to the fact rohypnol causes aminsea.



There are those who will say that it's a lot of nonsense and this doesn't happen and where are the official figures, but those required people, mostly women reporting this when it happens and most don't due to aminesa or embarrassment or wishing it never happened. Given the under reporting of rape and sexual assulat in this country I don't find that surprising at all.

So ladies have you or your friends ever had your drinks spiked with chemicals or extra alcohol ?

I've not had a drink spiked, nor that I am aware been in the company of one who has - though I have seen the symptoms usually attributed to spiking when too much or mixed alcohol is consumed.

I am not saying it doesn't happen, but to say it is under reported with nothing to back it up is disingenuous. I mean, nobody reports it because they don't remember? You can only say it happened if you can show it happened.

Having said that, I take the risk seriously enough to warn my partner to take care when out.

WindSock

SetantaL wrote: »

especially when you mix it with VODKA

And especially as I only had about 1.5 of them and I never experienced a reaction like that before, even when actually drunk on vodka?

Awayindahils

SetantaL wrote: »

So you went for pasta for dinner, had cocktails (mixed drink) and went to Trinity where you um.....drank water?

And! All your friends drinks were spiked too? The same girls that had one cocktail for dinner too and went to Trinity and drank........water?

I've highlighted the above passages in bold for you. As for everyone else being sick- maybe you had some dodgy Italian and washed it down with copious amounts of alcohol. If you are ringing your mates the next day and having a girly chat about hangovers you're drink was certainly not spiked.

If it was

You would not be able to get home, you'd be in an incoherient puddle on the floor and you certainly wouldn't remember your address for the cabbie that most likely took you home.

First, I didn't get sick the night I think I was spiked. No throwing up. The night that I wasn't spiked- the very drunk ball, I had no food and did get sick.

Secondly the night I may have been spiked, I had one drink that night. I met my then boyfriend in Trinity and sat on a bench. It was the summer time, the Pav isn't open. I was meeting him before he had to get his DART home, no big follow up night out. Holding hands and apperently one rather horrble conversation that I dont remember. So no I didn't have water to drink. I had nothing more to drink. My friends went home earlier. I have no idea how I got home. I assume I got the bus. I woke up in my bed the next day.

Thirdly. The incohernet drunk puddle night in the cabbie is a night where I admit that I was drunk and not spiked despite having been asked if I was spiked or thought that I might have been. Had you taken slightly more time to read it you may have noticed that I was merely providing an example of when I did drink to a point of huge excess. And I knew my address when I got in the cab that night (the one at the ball). I blacked out on the Sitllorgan road when the taxi stopped to let me be sick. As I've already said I think I got the bus the other night.

Ginny

SetantaL wrote: »

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No point at all, you know what comment of yours I was addressing.
Theres a significant different in being able to monitor and control the effects of a regularly available drug that a lot of adults use regularly and have experience of their own rections with, rather then an animal/human anesthetic.
What YOU may or may not have experienced illicting using the drug is moot, maybe you use a regular dose that you're used to, maybe you've used the drug so regularly you've a high tolerence for it.

Alcohol can have awful effects on people, but there are genuine cases of spiking that go unreported, the response you had is one I came up against because of my ex and is one of the reasons I didn't follow it up.
Hopefully threads like these will make people more vigilant in general, but god forbid it happens to someone reading this and instead of second guessing herself she goes and gets looked at, well then thats great.

Red Hand

How does one go about testing for such substances? Doctor/bloodtest/analysis/result? Cause instruments like mass spectrometers can be very sensitive in picking up trace chemicals...they're used in drug testing athletes often.

Madame Razz

I was spiked a few years ago. Boyfriend at the time realised it when I wandered off out the door, my knees buckling underneath me. He found me rolling in the grass on the pier, I was very lucky I didnt fall into the tide. Was completely delirious and talking all sorts of rubbish, and my body was completely limp like a rag doll. He bundled me into the back of his van and took me home. I woke up late the following day not remebering a thing, unitl he filled me in.

My last memory is looking at my watch around half eleven and feeling very woozy. I had only had one drink at that stage as we had come out late.

I have my suspicions as to who it was, but hey, its not like you can ever prove it. I was just so luvky that the guy i was with at the time was there with me and noticed my odd behaviour. He knew there was something wrong becuase I couldn't stand...I can go on a 36 hour bender and I cna still stand, so he knew all was not right with me.

Like a previous poster, I didnt go to the Doctor the following day(new years day) and waited until the day after. At that stage the detection window had pretty much elapsed, but the GP was fairly sure, based upon the description of my symptoms etc that it was ketamine spiking.

I never remembered anything from that night. Really bizarre. Has made me very careful about my drink since!

nomorebadtown

sorry to be cynical but...

I dont buy a lot of this thread...anyone that gets Ketamine is not gonna fling it into some randomers drink, they are going to do it themselves! Deadly buzz altogether, let me tell you (and where are these rapists getting all this K i'd like to know, a lot of dodgey vets out there?) And as for spiking pints with double vodkas :rolleyes: if you cant taste a double vodka or pure alcohol in a pint of lager, you are clearly already completely hammered. I have known some dodgey creeps in my time but have never come across any of these 'spikers'...whats the point in it? every night of the week there are men plying girls with alcohol and they end up going back and doing the regrettable....not a spike in sight. I'm not saying it dosnt happen but the amount of women who say they have been spiked....its just not possible, i would say that the vast majority have simpley had a bad reaction to the alcohol (happens to me sometimes - i get stupidly caned in comparison to the quantity i have consumed), or they are coming down with somethin or havnt eaten or are stressed or whatever so the booze just knocks them for six. Dosnt matter how well you usually handle your drink, its not always an exact science and it can effect you differently on different days.

Nevyn

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

How does one go about testing for such substances? Doctor/bloodtest/analysis/result?

Pretty much you have to go to the dr and request it be done.

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

Cause instruments like mass spectrometers can be very sensitive in picking up trace chemicals...they're used in drug testing athletes often.

There are plenty of drugs that have a very short half life in the body.

Mr. Incognito

No point at all, you know what comment of yours I was addressing.
Theres a significant different in being able to monitor and control the effects of a regularly available drug that a lot of adults use regularly and have experience of their own rections with, rather then an animal/human anesthetic.
What YOU may or may not have experienced illicting using the drug is moot, maybe you use a regular dose that you're used to, maybe you've used the drug so regularly you've a high tolerence for it.

Alcohol can have awful effects on people, but there are genuine cases of spiking that go unreported, the response you had is one I came up against because of my ex and is one of the reasons I didn't follow it up.
Hopefully threads like these will make people more vigilant in general, but god forbid it happens to someone reading this and instead of second guessing herself she goes and gets looked at, well then thats great.

I'd agree with this, but the whole point of monitoring and controlling a legal drink is hitting the nail on the head here. Whoose responsibility is it to monitor and control your alcohol intake....... your own.

When people abuse alcohol and suffer side effects the most likely effect is that the side effect is caused by their own abuse of alcohol. I find this line of logical approach more agreeable that that men are prowling the nightclubs of Ireland dousing people's drinks with animal tranquiliser.

I have lots of female friends that don't drink, as they are into sports. They have actice social lives, are fit young women and don't seem to have had their drinks spiked. Amazing how these spikers seem to target the ladies drinking red bull and vodka and cocktails with uncanny precision.

The danger I would have with the thread and the over-whelming theme coming through is that young ladies who get trollied on the weekend and black out/throw up and have other horrible experiences don't realise that alcohol is a dangerous dangerous drug and treat it with respect. They blame some mystery man for spiking it instead of laying the blame at their own feet for drinking too damn much, too damn fast. But no, it couldn't be their fault, sure they're used to drink, being drunk and are immune to alcohol in general. Ich don't think so.

fits

SetantaL wrote: »

Well I've had Ketamine and I've not experienced those sympthoms on it. There is one drug I've tried that sounds like that though, alcohol.

I meant to specify ketamine in large amounts. It definitely does cause loss of limb control, amnesia and messiness. Ever seen anyone crawling around in a k hole and forgetting whos in the room with them?


I agree with the posters who say that a lot of it is too much alcohol consumption, but I dont doubt that spiking does happen.

Dudess

Once when I was 22 I could have sworn my drink was spiked due to being so ill the next day that my mates were thinking of calling an ambulance. I realise now it was more than likely to do with the wine, cider, Bacardi Breezers, Smirnoff Ices, cocktails I drank and doob I smoked...

No ambulance was necessary as someone found a pack of Motillium...