2.5% rise 1st September

In my opinion

Is our payrise of two and a half percent coming soon? I got my increment last Thursday but is the pay agreement still on course? I'm a primary school teacher!

Toto Wolfcastle

In my opinion wrote: »

Is our payrise of two and a half percent coming soon? I got my increment last Thursday but is the pay agreement still on course? I'm a primary school teacher!

What I was told is that it's coming but not yet. It's been delayed. Of course I have no idea about any of this but that's what other teachers have told me.

TheDriver

Apparently, there is a dispute with ASTI regarding seniority in post interviews hence payment has been withheld until agreement is met. There is the rumour that it won't be backpaid either.

gaeilgegrinds

TUI claimed it was INTO, interesting! No point passing the blame as in my opinion they're just looking for an excuse. Makes me sick

ytareh

Well if our school is anything to go by skipping seniority will be a VERY bad idea.Absolute WAR caused amongst staff getting them to compete against one another for posts ...Maybe thats the idea ...divide and conquer...Decades long friendships ruined ,bitterness and mistrust between younger and older staff ...bring it on!Another step backwards for our working conditions...

gaeilgegrinds

I hear you on that one causing ructions everywhere!

J.R.

Is anybody working in a school where the most senior person did not get the post of responsibility?

spurious

This often happens in VEC schools.
In our schools the person best suited for the job gets the post. Sometimes this is the most senior person, but not always.
The criteria are quite transparent and on appeal a person can apply to see the marks given to everyone else at interview. I would hate to think I got my post just because I'd been there the longest.

In my opinion

In my experience in national schools down the country just one member of staff applies. The most senior unless they do not want it. DP or Principal is different of course!

gaeilgegrinds

In ours it's whoever is best suited.

bdoo

As i understand it there are two issues Promotional posts and underperforming teachers. ASTI want to keep seniority alone TUI already have another system. The key issue with the other thing is who decides that a teacher is unfit. Union position is that it shouldnt be the principal but Dept wanted this

sitstill

Does anyone know is there an update on this? Has it all been sorted out and will it be backdated?

rainbowtrout

J.R. wrote: »

Is anybody working in a school where the most senior person did not get the post of responsibility?

yep, i got a post with 6 years experience over a teacher with 10 years and a teacher with 16 years. I don't feel bad about it either, I put the hours in.

many teachers (sernior to me) in my school put the work in and deserve their posts but some feel they deserve one just because they turn up and do their 22 hours. I don't know of any other workplace that would give promotions to people simply because they turn up for work.

anyway my post aside, it's senior teachers appealing against senior teachers for posts in my school. we've had appeals each year for the last 3 years.

ytareh

Well the whole POINT of these 'posts' as I see them is as a kind of 'long service loyalty bonus' anyway !A previous poster stated that there have been appeals for the last three years in his school with Im sure very bad blood as a result .This sort of negativity inevitably draws staff members into 'camps' and staffrooms are amongst the 'clique-y-est ' places I know of to begin with !But as I said before I believe that the management style that pervades a good proportion of schools in Ireland would be happier to see staff competiting and fighting amongst one another rather than with the Principal or DP...'Divide and Conquer'.
A typical scenario (come on the rest of you back me up on this one !)will see staff members filling the role of either 'goodies',subservient to and unquestioning of the principal or 'baddies' who are 'negative' and complain about conditions in the school.If there is 'open' competition for a post guess who gets it ?!(even if the latter candidate has far longer service and is patently more suited to and deserving of the job)

ytareh

This is such an emotive issue as is evidenced even here with a small selection of posts on the topic.NOT REFERRING TO ANY POSTERS HERE OBVIOUSLY but in my experience the 'dynamic' ,'young'(er) candidate who will step over a colleague for a post often possesses a seriously backstabbing egocentric character .

rainbowtrout

ytareh wrote: »

A typical scenario (come on the rest of you back me up on this one !)will see staff members filling the role of either 'goodies',subservient to and unquestioning of the principal or 'baddies' who are 'negative' and complain about conditions in the school.If there is 'open' competition for a post guess who gets it ?!(even if the latter candidate has far longer service and is patently more suited to and deserving of the job)

Remember that when a post comes up it's not a specific role you apply for, it's simply a post and when you apply you put down your choices from the list of available duties. A post isn't advertised as 'IT Co-ordinator' or 'Exam Secretary' it's advertised as Special Duties Teacher/Assistant Principal, so you pick the post duties you think you are suited to and apply accordingly so no one can say a person is being awarded a job they are not suited to ahead of a person who is suited to it.

Longer service doesn't equate to a better work ethic and doesn't mean a person is more deserving of a job.

ytareh wrote: »

This is such an emotive issue as is evidenced even here with a small selection of posts on the topic.NOT REFERRING TO ANY POSTERS HERE OBVIOUSLY but in my experience the 'dynamic' ,'young'(er) candidate who will step over a colleague for a post often possesses a seriously backstabbing egocentric character .

That's a very sweeping statement, perhaps it might be more accurate to say that younger candidates don't see teaching jobs as a job for life as was seen in the past, will change career if they want to and will work hard to get on. I am a younger teacher with a post and I didn't stab anyone in the back to get my post, I'm the IT Co-ordinator and PLC Co-ordinator in my school, maintain the school website, run the football team and organise the school tour. I'm not looking for a clap on the back, I just do the work cos it needs to be done. The first three are post duties in my school, so I didn't see why I shouldn't apply for the job when other people were more senior than me were applying for the same post (PLC Coordinator) and weren't even aware of what courses we offered. At least I feel i could justify my application for the position.

It can mean more work for others anyway if someone is appointed to a post based on seniority and doesn't carry out their duties properly, it ends up falling back on someone else in the long run, which isn't very fair either.

spurious

I wouldn't necessarily see those who complain about conditions in the school as baddies. Some of the biggest complainers on our staff are post holders, but they are all are prepared to work at changing things, not just sit around moaning. It's the moaners who do nothing but undermine that are the most dangerous in a staffroom (I think). The worst of the lot are the ones who ALWAYS stay silent at staff meetings then bitch about everything in the staffroom afterwards.

I don't have a problem with the ASTI seniority thing as someone with more service would presumably have had more opportunity to show they can carry out the duties of the post and more opportunity to innovate.

implausible

ytareh wrote: »

This is such an emotive issue as is evidenced even here with a small selection of posts on the topic.NOT REFERRING TO ANY POSTERS HERE OBVIOUSLY but in my experience the 'dynamic' ,'young'(er) candidate who will step over a colleague for a post often possesses a seriously backstabbing egocentric character .

What a statement! I would not consider myself a backstabber or egocentric, yet I am quite open to the idea of getting on in my career and earning a few extra quid in the process. Remember, that often teachers go for posts when they are doing what could be a special duty anyway e.g. co-ordinating PLC courses.

Applying for a job in open competition is not 'stepping over' anyone. Why should an incompetent teacher should be given a post because s/he is there a long time? Some of these people are just happen to be still teaching in the school they started off in.

I agree with the TUI position that some element of seniority can remain but the rest should be on merit.

Trotter

ytareh wrote: »

Well the whole POINT of these 'posts' as I see them is as a kind of 'long service loyalty bonus' anyway !

Well thats highly incorrect anyway.

ytareh wrote: »

A typical scenario (come on the rest of you back me up on this one !)will see staff members filling the role of either 'goodies',subservient to and unquestioning of the principal or 'baddies' who are 'negative' and complain about conditions in the school.If there is 'open' competition for a post guess who gets it ?!(even if the latter candidate has far longer service and is patently more suited to and deserving of the job)

I don't see a queue forming to back you up because I expect that you've no basis whatsoever to suggest that this is a typical scenario.

ytareh wrote: »

in my experience the 'dynamic' ,'young'(er) candidate who will step over a colleague for a post often possesses a seriously backstabbing egocentric character .

Thats a pretty outrageous thing to say.

In the real world, the best person gets the job.
Why should a job be given to someone who isn't the best person for the job?

How you can make assertions about people's character to that degree is beyond me anyway.

It translates to me as take the job I've decided I deserve, and I'll tear shreds out of your character.

Thats 1970's old school teacher mentality. Those days are over.

ytareh

Yes the 'old school' 1970s teacher mentality is on its knees if not gone .Back then and until recently we had one of the best education systems in the world.We are mimicking the British what with 'subject departments' , whole school evaluations , more time in 'inservice training' than in the classroom , lunchtime/after school meetings , gross bureaucracy-form filling ad nauseum , 'health and safety' evaluations ,etc etc .Funny thing is everybody knows the British cant get back to the 'old' system fast enough with an increasing proportion having to resort to private education as the public system buckles under the new 'management'("Work harder for your pay cut!!!") philosophy.
Even on this thread there is the stench of the sinister 'underperforming teachers' catch phrase which will set this profession aflame in the next few years .I never would have thought this would have come from within though. As if to prove my point someone here scathingly refers to teachers who have spent their whole careers or decades of it in the one school as if that is something to be ashamed of or 'lacking ambition'.Someone even suggests that spending a lifetime teaching is unambitious...


Other comments by posters: (A FEW RESPONSES IN CAPITALS FOR EMPHASIS -NO IM NOT SHOUTING ...YES I KNOW SOME NERDS THINK USING 'CAPS' IS SHOUTING ...SAME SORT THAT THINK YOU SPELL YOU , "U".)

"I would hate to think I got my post just because I'd been there the longest "

"I don't feel bad about it either, I put the hours in.
many teachers (sernior to me) in my school put the work in and deserve their posts but some feel they deserve one just because they turn up and do their 22 hours.(YOU MEAN THEY "PUT THE HOURS IN"!?) I don't know of any other workplace that would give promotions to people simply because they turn up for work."(NO,HOWEVER MANY SENIOR POSITIONS ,EVEN PRESIDENT, HAVE A MINIMUM AGE... )


"Longer service doesn't equate to a better work ethic and doesn't mean a person is more deserving of a job."(AS ABOVE)

"getting on in my career"

"incompetent teacher "


etc etc ...

With the current seniority based system everybody gets their turn .Its the fairest by far .
Also I think "Last in ,first out" still applies in many sectors which I would consider by extension to back up the system of seniority.
I am not an 'old' teacher by any means quite the opposite in fact but I have learned from my more experienced colleagues (and parents!) the value of respect for age and collegiality .
The 'Hothouse' teachers ,'ambitious' ,(like something from a Jilly Cooper or Julie Birchall novel LOL)in my experience rarely complete anything like a normal term of service as a teacher .They will almost inevitably end up 'burned out' (one guy above already talking about changing careers?)and giving 'inservice courses' or serving on committees (maybe on the Teaching Council!?)Trouble is they burn out many teachers along the way with them and if they get to be principal fire temporary teachers willy nilly if they are not cut from the same 'ambitious' cloth .

Tom Dunne

ytareh - please tone it down and refrain from calling people nerds.

If you had a good look at the screen in front of you, you might notice a wide range of options for emphasis, including colour, bold, italics and underline.

Keep the discussion civil and to the point.

implausible

ytareh

Since when did ambition become a bad thing in any career? The teaching profession needs young dynamic people who are willing to work hard, not just do the bare minimum because they will get promoted after X amount of years.

You referred to my post about teachers spending their entire careers in one school. I have a few clarifications to make about my comment:

(1) Teachers who spend their entire careers in one school sometimes have a narrow view of the education system.
(2) Often spending your entire career in one school is down to sheer luck.
(3) I have recently moved school after 7 years of service and now I have to start at the bottom of the ladder again. In a merit system, I get credit for this, in the present system, I get set back for it.

And as for underperforming teachers, nobody likes the sound of this or the threat of this accusation. However, I feel you must be teaching in a perfect school, where every teacher gives it his/her best and where the 1970's live on, with the utmost respect from kids and parents. Everybody knows a teacher who has long since given up caring and yet got promoted.

The 'job for life', 'cushy number' and automatic respect from students is gone. Teachers, who are willing to work, give something back to the school and genuinely care about the kids in their care, should be applauded and encouraged, not ranted against by teachers who hanker after the good ol' days!

J.R.

spurious wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily see those who complain about conditions in the school as baddies. Some of the biggest complainers on our staff are post holders, but they are all are prepared to work at changing things, not just sit around moaning. It's the moaners who do nothing but undermine that are the most dangerous in a staffroom (I think). The worst of the lot are the ones who ALWAYS stay silent at staff meetings then bitch about everything in the staffroom afterwards.
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Agree 100%

rainbowtrout

deemark wrote: »

What a statement! I would not consider myself a backstabber or egocentric, yet I am quite open to the idea of getting on in my career and earning a few extra quid in the process. Remember, that often teachers go for posts when they are doing what could be a special duty anyway e.g. co-ordinating PLC courses.

Applying for a job in open competition is not 'stepping over' anyone. Why should an incompetent teacher should be given a post because s/he is there a long time? Some of these people are just happen to be still teaching in the school they started off in.

I agree with the TUI position that some element of seniority can remain but the rest should be on merit.

+1 to all of the above

Trotter wrote: »

In the real world, the best person gets the job.
Why should a job be given to someone who isn't the best person for the job?

this is the point i was trying to make

ytareh wrote: »

Yes the 'old school' 1970s teacher mentality is on its knees if not gone .Back then and until recently we had one of the best education systems in the world.We are mimicking the British what with 'subject departments' , whole school evaluations , more time in 'inservice training' than in the classroom , lunchtime/after school meetings , gross bureaucracy-form filling ad nauseum , 'health and safety' evaluations ,etc etc .Funny thing is everybody knows the British cant get back to the 'old' system fast enough with an increasing proportion having to resort to private education as the public system buckles under the new 'management'("Work harder for your pay cut!!!") philosophy.
Even on this thread there is the stench of the sinister 'underperforming teachers' catch phrase which will set this profession aflame in the next few years .I never would have thought this would have come from within though. As if to prove my point someone here scathingly refers to teachers who have spent their whole careers or decades of it in the one school as if that is something to be ashamed of or 'lacking ambition'.Someone even suggests that spending a lifetime teaching is unambitious...


Other comments by posters: (A FEW RESPONSES IN CAPITALS FOR EMPHASIS -NO IM NOT SHOUTING ...YES I KNOW SOME NERDS THINK USING 'CAPS' IS SHOUTING ...SAME SORT THAT THINK YOU SPELL YOU , "U".)

"I would hate to think I got my post just because I'd been there the longest "

"I don't feel bad about it either, I put the hours in.
many teachers (sernior to me) in my school put the work in and deserve their posts but some feel they deserve one just because they turn up and do their 22 hours.(YOU MEAN THEY "PUT THE HOURS IN"!?) I don't know of any other workplace that would give promotions to people simply because they turn up for work."(NO,HOWEVER MANY SENIOR POSITIONS ,EVEN PRESIDENT, HAVE A MINIMUM AGE... )


"Longer service doesn't equate to a better work ethic and doesn't mean a person is more deserving of a job."(AS ABOVE)

"getting on in my career"

"incompetent teacher "


etc etc ...

With the current seniority based system everybody gets their turn .Its the fairest by far .

I don't see the relevance of the comparison of the Irish system to the English system. It's irrelevant to how posts are awarded anyway.


Regarding the 22 hours thing: Yes teachers put the 22 hours in - they have to, it's what they are paid to do. What I was referring to is all the other work that teachers put it - coaching sports teams, green schools, school tours (home and abroad), musicals, and those in the main are student centred activities, there are plenty of others, keeping a computer room running smoothly by fixing machines, disciplinary duties etc etc.. if teachers essentially worked to rule and just did their teaching hours a lot of those activities and duties would not get done and some of those duties are awarded a post. So if a teacher is doing the work in an area and there is the opportunity of a post for their work, why shouldn't they apply?

And as for the minimum age thing, it wouldn't really work in schools because the age profile changes from school to school. some schools have a higher turn over of staff than others. so it would be impossible to set a minimum age. I think it would also fall foul of discrimination laws.... also taking my situation as a basic example: in terms of teaching experience I have the most experience in PLC in my school. However I was not the most senior person in terms of eligibility for a post. Does it mean someone who has more teaching years done than me should have been awarded the post instead just because they applied for the job, regardless of their lack of experience in adult education?

Trotter

More importantly.. when are we getting this money?? I still haven't heard from any sources whether it'll be back dated for definite.

bdoo

Still no word really on it as far as i can see but once it comes it should be back dated at any rate.

Ytareh....Chill out a bit there

Teacherman

Some people mention 'Putting hours in' being a criteria for promotion. Putting hours into what? It seems that a Principal might want you to put your focus outside the classroom to aid his/her agenda. What if you are a teacher, who prepares well for class, but does not run around like a blue arse fly doing the Principal's bidding?

Your standard post is only 3k a year-don't get your knickers in a twist over it.

Fast_Mover

Was at an INTO meeting last night..iirc I'm sure they said that we should be getting it before xmas and it will be back dated.

dingding

Any word on the situation in Third Level, it has not been paid there either for lecturing staff.

implausible

Gen Sec of TUI reckons the 2 main issues have been agreed in principle and we should get the money before xmas. If we don't, we're in bother as we'll not get it backdated-the money is only in the kitty for 2008!

sitstill

Any further update on this in relation to ASTI members? I believe the primary teachers are getting their money in December







(Also, woohoo, my 200th post )

In my opinion

Sorry I should have posted on Friday. I was at an INTO thing Thursday & Friday we were told our money will be paid in our Salary of Dec 11th.

Bonus for everyone protesting in Dublin on the Saturday!!!!

ytareh

I see on the ASTI site secondary teacher members of that union voted 80% in favour of the 'paydeal' (ie more work for less than inflation matching 'rises') AND the 'revised promotional' system (ie the Principal's favourites get all the posts ).I guess the fact the new system isnt being fully implemented till 2014 swayed some people .Many who voted will have retired by then or gotten their posts .I know there are a lot of staff who will be glad to get out of this profession in the next few years before it really goes to pot. Maybe its a sad reflection on the depth of the recession that people voted just to get their backdated 3%...what will it be worth a couple of hundred?

sitstill

I was told by someone from ASTI today that we're getting the money on December 4th.

Delphi91

ytareh wrote: »

...With the current seniority based system everybody gets their turn .Its the fairest by far...

In my opinion, it's the complete opposite.

I am aware of a young teacher who took a course in Educational Administration as a means to promotion. His reasoning - he had calculated that he would be 25 years in the school before he would even be entitled to get a Special Duties post. One could argue that he should move school, but in doing so, he goes back down the ladder again. Is that a system that is fair?

I've been on interview boards for promotional posts in voluntary secondary schools. In each case there was only one applicant. Coming from the VEC sector, I expressed my surprise at this to the Principal. His answer was quite simple - it is based on seniority, the most senior person on the staff applies and there is an unwritten rule that nobody else is allowed to apply. Now tell me how that promotes fairness and encourages enthusiastic teachers who want to get involved in administration from doing so???

ie the Principal's favourites get all the posts

That's a very sweeping comment to make - do you have proof of this???

ytareh

It doesnt take anything like 25 years to get a Special Duties post in the average Secondary School.I got mine in under half that .One of the many reasons against this new madness was that teachers would be forced to take administrative 'courses' over their Summer holidays to increase their chances of getting a post .Someone literally one or two posts above mentioned someone doing one such course.In my alas very extensive experience on the topic ,this type of 'course' is (95%?)facilitated by spoofers, chancers and failed ex teachers.
As for proof of Principals favouring teachers who dont 'rock the boat ' over more qualified/deserving colleagues well Im not going to air my school's dirty laundry in public here but suffice it to say that the sort of backstabbing that went on would make Caesar and Brutus look like kiddies playtime ...Staffrooms are absolute ravished by civil war type personality clashes with it remaining very hard to sit on the fence .Look Ive got my post already...I voted for the good of my profession and the good of teachers coming up through the system ...I accept the majority decision .Let the games begin !!!Principals will be delighted to see the Union loose yet another foothold in schools .

implausible

Oh here we go again - ytareh with his sweeping generalisations, conspiracy theories and seniority over merit mentality.... let the games begin indeed...:rolleyes:

ChowChow

deemark wrote: »

Gen Sec of TUI reckons the 2 main issues have been agreed in principle and we should get the money before xmas. If we don't, we're in bother as we'll not get it backdated-the money is only in the kitty for 2008!

Just to get back on topic here, I simply cannot believe how the TUI have entered additional negotiations for this final payment when we have already signed up for changes to our conditions of service on the last pay deal. I know for a fact other parts of the public service (such as the NRA) have been paid the 2.5%, on time, with no additional strings attached. I have heard rumours of what they have agreed to on behalf of (third-level) members for this payment - and I believe we are getting absolutely shafted here. The head honchos in the TUI are not acting in the best interests of their members and this has been the case for quite some time now. The only sane voices seem to be the local branch reps who are fighting a losing battle with head office. I think the time has come for TUI members to start withholding their subscriptions - head office needs a major wake up call :mad:

rainbowtrout

ytareh wrote: »

I see on the ASTI site secondary teacher members of that union voted 80% in favour of the 'paydeal' (ie more work for less than inflation matching 'rises')

Considering that most people in the country at the moment are worrying about hanging onto their jobs and/or taking paycuts, really a payrise isn't something to be complaining about. there isn't going to be much in the way of inflation for the next few years by the look of things. And it wasn't just a 2.5% backdated payrise, there are two more coming as well over the next two years. It will make a difference to most I reckon.



and i can't be bothered to multiquote but in some schools posts can come up very quickly and then nothing for years. my principal has said on several occasions that it was easier for him to gain promotion by becoming a principal rather than wait years and years for a possible special duties post. There were also a couple of teachers who taught in my school for almost 40 years and retired on B posts, never had the opportunity to get an A post because they never reached the top of the queue in seniority before they retired. since they've retired at least 6 assistant principals posts have come up. It can happen.

Trotter

1. The generalisations in this thread are irritating me. Stick to facts. 95% of courses are not given by chancers. Thats fabricated and false, and I'm not having it here.

2. If someone disagrees with someone else, follow the rule - Attack the post, Not the poster.

Thats all folks...

rainbowtrout

deemark wrote: »

Gen Sec of TUI reckons the 2 main issues have been agreed in principle and we should get the money before xmas. If we don't, we're in bother as we'll not get it backdated-the money is only in the kitty for 2008!

yep, as of 24th November, it should be backdated and we'll get it before the end of the year

http://www.tui.ie/_fileupload/Image/Second%20Level%20GS.pdf

Delphi91

ytareh wrote: »

It doesnt take anything like 25 years to get a Special Duties post in the average Secondary School.I got mine in under half that

I never said anything about the average school - I said that I knew of someone in a specific school. Take a school near me with over 1100 pupils which has only been in existence for 6-7 years. It probably has something like 70 staff(maybe more), all young teachers. They already have a large quota of posts filled. How long will it take for the last person who joined the staff to be senior enough to get a post under the present unfair system?

One of the many reasons against this new madness was that teachers would be forced to take administrative 'courses' over their Summer holidays to increase their chances of getting a post .Someone literally one or two posts above mentioned someone doing one such course.In my alas very extensive experience on the topic ,this type of 'course' is (95%?)facilitated by spoofers, chancers and failed ex teachers.

I am all in favour of teachers doing administrative courses. I put myself through two years of driving from Limerick to Cork to gain such a course. Nobody "forced" me to do the course, I chose to do it on the grounds that I needed to upskill myself. I find your comment about the "spoofers, chancers and failed teachers" facilitating these courses to be highly insulting to the excellent lecturers who taught on the course, a number of whom were practicing Principals. One has to wonder why, having made such a comment, you also state that you have extensive experience of such courses. Why do them if that's your opinion?

As for proof of Principals favouring teachers who dont 'rock the boat ' over more qualified/deserving colleagues well Im not going to air my school's dirty laundry in public here but suffice it to say that the sort of backstabbing that went on would make Caesar and Brutus look like kiddies playtime

So, once again the situation in your school is the situation in all schools???

Principals will be delighted to see the Union loose yet another foothold in schools .

As I stated in my previous post, this scenario has only pertained in voluntary secondary schools. It does not exist in the VEC sector, so your last statement is again incorrect.

A number of my colleagues will be attending interviews for PORs in my school in the coming week or two. Each applicant had to fill out a 4-5 page application form which will form part of the interview. I have sat on three interview panels in voluntary secondary schools for PORs and not once was I shown an application form. In each case, I was told that the "interview" was only happening so that the process followed procedures - the only applicant in each case was getting the post.

This whole seniority farce only came about as a "reward" system for dedicated years of service by a teacher so that their salary could be bumped up before retirement thereby giving a bigger pension. There was no discussion as to whether the teacher actually was "dedicated" or not. Posts were "created" so that teachers could get PORs. They were rarely based on the actual needs of the school. Thank god this system is changing - it's about time.

loveroflight

In my experience, those who work outside the classroom often don't pay much attention to the work in the classroom. Seems the oldfashioned 'Good Teacher' has no chance of promotion

Fast_Mover

I believe we (primary teachers anyway!) got it today!!!:)
One of the teachers in my school got her post/paycheck before she left for school this morning and said it was included!
My paycheck never arrived today..grrr!

Trotter

Yep! I got mine today anyway. Every cent extra at this time of year is important!

In my opinion

In my opinion wrote: »

Is our payrise of two and a half percent coming soon? I got my increment last Thursday but is the pay agreement still on course? I'm a primary school teacher!

I too got mine today. Nice to see the thread closed at last!!:D:D:D

TheDriver

was it backpaid?

Trotter

TheDriver wrote: »

was it backpaid?

Yes, to September when it was supposed to be paid originally.