CIE Fine for no ticket.

barryfitz

Ok was really pissed off about this a while ago but ive calmed down now. I travel from Maynooth to Connolly on the train every morning for the last two years any always buy a weekly ticket. However yesterday morning (it being a monday and all that) I only had the price of a daily ticket. Grand! So this morning I roll in to Connolly and realise I havent got my usual weekly ticket before I even try go through the barriers, then I go up to the stand and try and explian as nicely as possible what had happened, the guy at the stall slaps me with a €50 fine. Then I go on to say that I have spent over €2000 on tickets and have never been without a ticket before and that this was BS. As soon as those words had left my mouth he scribbles out the €50 euro box and ticks the €100 box!!!. Surely I cant be penalised for saying a policy is BS!!! I will pay the €50 fine for not having the ticket but no way am I paying €50 for saying "bullsh1t".

After all the crap of trains not turning up for no reason and being told to find my own way home on numerous occasions. I slip up once and get rode for it.


Rant over.

paulm17781

That's awful, you should escalate that to his manager (for all the use it'll do). You can't add to a fine for cursing.

CIE unionized scum prove their worth yet again. :rolleyes:

loyatemu

buy an annual ticket, they'll still fine you if you forget it but you can get the fine cancelled subsequently.

not sure what right they have to increase the fine arbitrarily like that though - maybe go ask on the Rail Users Ireland messageboard.

paulm17781

loyatemu wrote: »

not sure what right they have to increase the fine arbitrarily like that though - maybe go ask on the Rail Users Ireland messageboard.

I'd be fairly certain it's none. If the fine is the 'standard fare' you can't add to it because someone cursed.

godtabh

barryfitz wrote: »

As soon as those words had left my mouth he scribbles out the €50 euro box and ticks the €100 box!!!.

I find that hard to believe. I'm sure there is more to the story than what you've said.

At the end of the day it’s your responsibility to have a valid ticket. Doesnt matter if you've spent €2k over the years on tickets.

Red Alert

You're supposed to have a valid ticket for your journey - why did you expect him to take 'bull****' as an excuse? It's not acceptable to treat employees of a company like that in the first place. Though I do think he cannot actually fine you for saying it in fact.

godtabh

Red Alert wrote: »

why did you expect him to take 'bull****' as an excuse? It's not acceptable to treat employees of a company like that in the first place.

Thats a good point actually.

Peckham

loyatemu wrote: »

buy an annual ticket, they'll still fine you if you forget it but you can get the fine cancelled subsequently.

I've wondered about this. I have an annual ticket, which I didn't have on me once as I had forgotten my wallet. I bought a return ticket for that day, however was wondering if I'd have any leg to stand on if I had not bought a ticket and subsequently been caught without a ticket.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Red Alert wrote: »

You're supposed to have a valid ticket for your journey - why did you expect him to take 'bull****' as an excuse? It's not acceptable to treat employees of a company like that in the first place. Though I do think he cannot actually fine you for saying it in fact.

The fine may be discretionary.

The inspectors may let someone off with 50 quid for a genuine mistake/excuse, and increase it if someone just deliverately hopped on/spouted bull**** like the OP.

Ciaran B

paulm17781 wrote: »

CIE unionized scum prove their worth yet again. :rolleyes:

Scum? The OP didn't have a valid ticket and was abusive to a guy carrying out his job.

paulm17781

Ciaran B wrote: »

Scum? The OP didn't have a valid ticket and was abusive to a guy carrying out his job.

To which the guy showed he's a small weak man with power by increasing the fine.

mikemac

Could the OP have said they got on at Broombridge?
No ticket machine there and could have bought a ticket on arrival at Connolly.

The OP was well out of order as others have posted imo.
Ever work in customer service or with the public? It sucks

I'm not sure how that fine got increased though, that's worth checking further.

Dlite

Actually you don't need to pay the fine. All you need to do is send a photocopy of your annual pass with the fine and they will strike it off. I work in the IFSC and have done this a few times... feckin Monday mornings!

faceman

kearnsr wrote: »

I find that hard to believe. I'm sure there is more to the story than what you've said.

At the end of the day it’s your responsibility to have a valid ticket. Doesnt matter if you've spent €2k over the years on tickets.

Red Alert wrote: »

You're supposed to have a valid ticket for your journey - why did you expect him to take 'bull****' as an excuse? It's not acceptable to treat employees of a company like that in the first place. Though I do think he cannot actually fine you for saying it in fact.

I dont think thats the point the OP was making. He accepts the initial fine for not having the ticket.

Fines are ultimately discretionary, but as you know OP, mouthing off isnt going to help. Surely its a fixed fine for no ticket so I dont understand how he had the power to increase it on the spot?

Xcellor

I was screwed by Irish rail the other day. I arrived for my train on time (im not a regular train user). It was departing longford at 6:15pm, I arrived at 5:45. I went into the station and both of the desks for purchasing the tickets at were closed. I went outside to the area that said Information.. I asked a gentleman who was working there where I could buy the ticket. He said "On the train"... I made him repeat it three times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. Fine... I assumed that there must be some ticket desk strike or something and boarded the train.

Roll forward 30 minutes mr. ticket inspector comes and asks for a ticket which of course I didn't have and I explained the reason. He said that a few lads up the train had got on at Longford and had a ticket.... He then proceeded to slap me with a 31 euro fare for a single from Longford to Connelly!!! (should have cost 10 euro) I explained that I was told what I was told.. but he didn't care... That attitude STINKS and he just assumed I was lying. Sent a complaint to Irish rail... doubt I'll hear anything back though. My blood still boils thinking about it! Royally screwed.

Made me think twice about taking the train again, with customer service like that...

X

barryfitz

kearnsr wrote: »

I find that hard to believe. I'm sure there is more to the story than what you've said

Nope thats exactly how it happened.

micmclo wrote: »

Could the OP have said they got on at Broombridge?
No ticket machine there and could have bought a ticket on arrival at Connolly.

I will be doing this if I ever forget a ticket again. That was the main reason I went up to the box in the first place as I have often seen people purchase tickets in the morning. Had I tried to get through the barriers I probably could have done so, but no me being honest I went up to pay for my ticket from maynooth and he asked me to sign something (jesus I will never sign anything agian withiout reading it FULLY) which I thought was just some formality for not having a ticket, he tears the bottom slip off and its a fine. He never informed me he was giving me a fine until after I signed it. So forgive me for getting a bit peeved.

I didnt abuse him directly. Saying that a policy is a bull**** policy is not a direct attack on the guy. Exact words were "this is bull**** I was trying to purchase a ticket not con anyone". Had I called him a stupid w**nker that would have been abusive.

And to all the do gooders out there, wait till it happens to you, you will understand how I feel then.

L1011

How did you get *on* the train in Maynooth without a ticket without deliberately avoiding the barriers?

godtabh

Xcellor wrote: »

I was screwed by Irish rail the other day. I arrived for my train on time (im not a regular train user). It was departing longford at 6:15pm, I arrived at 5:45. I went into the station and both of the desks for purchasing the tickets at were closed. I went outside to the area that said Information.. I asked a gentleman who was working there where I could buy the ticket. He said "On the train"... I made him repeat it three times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. Fine... I assumed that there must be some ticket desk strike or something and boarded the train.

Roll forward 30 minutes mr. ticket inspector comes and asks for a ticket which of course I didn't have and I explained the reason. He said that a few lads up the train had got on at Longford and had a ticket.... He then proceeded to slap me with a 31 euro fare for a single from Longford to Connelly!!! (should have cost 10 euro) I explained that I was told what I was told.. but he didn't care... That attitude STINKS and he just assumed I was lying. Sent a complaint to Irish rail... doubt I'll hear anything back though. My blood still boils thinking about it! Royally screwed.

Made me think twice about taking the train again, with customer service like that...

X

There is more than 2 desks at conolly to buy tickets. There is also a few ticket machinces there. All the signs saw dont board the train with out a valid ticket.

Again why should he care what your excuse was? How is he to know if your telling the truth or bull****ting?

barryfitz wrote: »

Nope thats exactly how it happened.



I will be doing this if I ever forget a ticket again. That was the main reason I went up to the box in the first place as I have often seen people purchase tickets in the morning. Had I tried to get through the barriers I probably could have done so, but no me being honest I went up to pay for my ticket from maynooth and he asked me to sign something (jesus I will never sign anything agian withiout reading it FULLY) which I thought was just some formality for not having a ticket, he tears the bottom slip off and its a fine. He never informed me he was giving me a fine until after I signed it. So forgive me for getting a bit peeved.

I didnt abuse him directly. Saying that a policy is a bull**** policy is not a direct attack on the guy. Exact words were "this is bull**** I was trying to purchase a ticket not con anyone". Had I called him a stupid w**nker that would have been abusive.

And to all the do gooders out there, wait till it happens to you, you will understand how I feel then.

Can you scan and post the fine?

I've an anual ticket. I've forgotten it a few times and have just paid the fare. **** happens but if you play by the rules you dont get screwed over

godtabh

MYOB wrote: »

How did you get *on* the train in Maynooth without a ticket without deliberately avoiding the barriers?

In Louisa Bridge they have a side gate open. I just walk through that every morning as I dont need to get a ticket.

Is it the same there?

barryfitz

MYOB wrote: »

How did you get *on* the train in Maynooth without a ticket without deliberately avoiding the barriers?

I actually get on at Leixlip Louisa bridge and I just waved to the girl behind the glass as i passed through the gate the same as I always do.Which cant be illegal as she has to press a button to let me through the gate. in fact I wonder if she would vouch for me always purchasing a weekly ticket. why the *on*?

goingnowhere

Xcellor wrote: »

He then proceeded to slap me with a 31 euro fare for a single from Longford to Connelly!!! (should have cost 10 euro) I explained that I was told what I was told.. but he didn't care... That attitude STINKS and he just assumed I was lying. Sent a complaint to Irish rail... doubt I'll hear anything back though. My blood still boils thinking about it! Royally screwed.

The correct fare is 31.00 so why bitch, the lovely 10 euro deal was only good after the morning rush hour and tis gone now.

barryfitz wrote: »

I didnt abuse him directly. Saying that a policy is a bull**** policy is not a direct attack on the guy. Exact words were "this is bull**** I was trying to purchase a ticket not con anyone". Had I called him a stupid w**nker that would have been abusive.

You had no ticket, broke the rules, you got caught and you mouthed off. The fine is €100 that be the law, any less is at the discretion of the inspector. What little sympathy you had went out the window. Lesson here is to show a little respect, no one should have to deal with such langauge

penexpers

Xcellor wrote: »

I was screwed by Irish rail the other day. I arrived for my train on time (im not a regular train user). It was departing longford at 6:15pm, I arrived at 5:45. I went into the station and both of the desks for purchasing the tickets at were closed. I went outside to the area that said Information.. I asked a gentleman who was working there where I could buy the ticket. He said "On the train"... I made him repeat it three times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. Fine... I assumed that there must be some ticket desk strike or something and boarded the train.

Roll forward 30 minutes mr. ticket inspector comes and asks for a ticket which of course I didn't have and I explained the reason. He said that a few lads up the train had got on at Longford and had a ticket.... He then proceeded to slap me with a 31 euro fare for a single from Longford to Connelly!!! (should have cost 10 euro) I explained that I was told what I was told.. but he didn't care... That attitude STINKS and he just assumed I was lying. Sent a complaint to Irish rail... doubt I'll hear anything back though. My blood still boils thinking about it! Royally screwed.

Made me think twice about taking the train again, with customer service like that...

X

What was wrong with the ticket vending machines in Longford?

godtabh

barryfitz wrote: »

I actually get on at Leixlip Louisa bridge and I just waved to the girl behind the glass as i passed through the gate the same as I always do.Which cant be illegal as she has to press a button to let me through the gate. in fact I wonder if she would vouch for me always purchasing a weekly ticket. why the *on*?

barryfitz wrote: »

Ok was really pissed off about this a while ago but ive calmed down now. I travel from Maynooth to Connolly on the train every morning for the last two years any always buy a weekly ticket.

If you are going to tell stories at least get your story straight.

The gate in Louisa Bridge is either opened or closed. If its closed you use your ticket. If its open you walk through at your own risk (again it says its up to you to make sure you have a ticket). I've never seen the lady bus any one through once.

pablomakaveli

barryfitz wrote: »

Ok was really pissed off about this a while ago but ive calmed down now. I travel from Maynooth to Connolly on the train every morning for the last two years any always buy a weekly ticket. However yesterday morning (it being a monday and all that) I only had the price of a daily ticket. Grand! So this morning I roll in to Connolly and realise I havent got my usual weekly ticket before I even try go through the barriers, then I go up to the stand and try and explian as nicely as possible what had happened, the guy at the stall slaps me with a €50 fine. Then I go on to say that I have spent over €2000 on tickets and have never been without a ticket before and that this was BS. As soon as those words had left my mouth he scribbles out the €50 euro box and ticks the €100 box!!!. Surely I cant be penalised for saying a policy is BS!!! I will pay the €50 fine for not having the ticket but no way am I paying €50 for saying "bullsh1t".

After all the crap of trains not turning up for no reason and being told to find my own way home on numerous occasions. I slip up once and get rode for it.


Rant over.

you have to have a valid ticket if you travel on the train. if you forgot your weekly ticket it doesnt matter as you will still be on the train without a valid ticket. if you are on the train without a ticket you will get fined. it doesnt matter how much youve spent before because they are not goin to know if youre telling the truth or not. if you were at an airport do you think they would let you on a plane with no ticket even if youd bought a ticket there every week previously. obviously not. the rules are there for everyone.


the poster from longford who said the ticket inspector fined him was treated in the wrong way. if the ticket desk was not open at the station the ticket inspector on the train should have sold you one. he was wrong to fine you. you should make a complaint because you should have not been fined if there was no one to buy a ticket from at the station.

penexpers

pablomakaveli wrote: »

the poster from longford who said the ticket inspector fined him was treated in the wrong way. if the ticket desk was not open at the station the ticket inspector on the train should have sold you one. he was wrong to fine you. you should make a complaint because you should have not been fined if there was no one to buy a ticket from at the station.

No, in this case he should have bought his ticket from the ticket vending machines. I am pretty certain there are at least two in Longford station.

goingnowhere

penexpers wrote: »

No, in this case he should have bought his ticket from the ticket vending machines. I am pretty certain there are at least two in Longford station.

Guy was charged the normal fare anyway, don't see the fuss, he wasn't fined, non issue.

godtabh

goingnowhere wrote: »

Guy was charged the normal fare anyway, don't see the fuss, he wasn't fined, non issue.

The lad who didnt have the ticket is making an issue out of it

barryfitz

kearnsr wrote: »

If you are going to tell stories at least get your story straight.

I said maynooth for anyone who might read this that isnt on the Longford Line. As they wouldnt have a bulls notion where Leixlip Louisa Bridge is.

The gate in Louisa Bridge is either opened or closed. If its closed you use your ticket. If its open you walk through at your own risk (again it says its up to you to make sure you have a ticket). I've never seen the lady bus any one through once.

Wrong

barryfitz

kearnsr wrote: »

Can you scan and post the fine?

I've an anual ticket. I've forgotten it a few times and have just paid the fare. **** happens but if you play by the rules you dont get screwed over

Scan and post the fine on here? Yes I can but why?


What will you do if you only realise you have forgotten the ticket when you get off the train at connolly? accept an unnecessary fine willy nilly?

godtabh

barryfitz wrote: »

I said maynooth for anyone who might read this that isnt on the Longford Line. As they wouldnt have a bulls notion where Leixlip Louisa Bridge is.



Wrong

If you stated Leixlip first time there wouldnt be this confusion.

I get the train every day from there. I know just as you do how it works there. I'd have to double check but I'm failry sure if your in the ticket box you cant see some one waiting at the gate to be buzzed in

barryfitz wrote: »

Scan and post the fine on here? Yes I can but why?


What will you do if you only realise you have forgotten the ticket when you get off the train at connolly? accept an unnecessary fine willy nilly?

If you post it it may give an insight as to why there was a double fine.

As has been said many times its up to you to check you have a ticket before you get on the train not when you get to your destination.

_Kaiser_

Ah as usual a thread descends into the holier-than-thou brigade reading from the IE rulebook :rolleyes:

The OP made a genuine mistake and attempted to explain it only to be met by some CIE jobsworth trying to show what a big man he is by increasing a fine on a whim. Even the Gardai will (generally) give you 10 days to produce your documentation if you don't have them at the roadside - it's called being flexible.. something CIE know nothing about.

For all those sticking with the "if you don't have a ticket you shouldn't board the train" line, what about intending passengers at Broombridge? By that logic why does the train even stop there if there's no ticket office/validation on the platform? "Ah but they should prepay then" I hear ye say - why? You can pay cash at any other station on the line.

The problem highlighted by the OP and Xcellor is CIE's lack of customer service and jobsworth employees - as usual. Never mind that IE are further encouraging people to drive by charging for parking, and the high fares, and the unreliable service, this "it depends who you get" approach to enforcement (which to be fair to them is prevalent in EVERYTHING run by the Irish!) only serves to further alienate their current (and potential) customers further.

Heroditas

kearnsr wrote: »

I get the train every day from there. I know just as you do how it works there. I'd have to double check but I'm failry sure if your in the ticket box you cant see some one waiting at the gate to be buzzed in

I was thinking the same thing myself.

godtabh

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

The OP made a genuine mistake and attempted to explain it only to be met by some CIE jobsworth trying to show what a big man he is by increasing a fine on a whim. Even the Gardai will (generally) give you 10 days to produce your documentation if you don't have them at the roadside - it's called being flexible.. something CIE know nothing about.

For all those sticking with the "if you don't have a ticket you shouldn't board the train" line, what about intending passengers at Broombridge?

So how is some meant to tell the difference between a scumbag trying to avoid the a fare and some one who forgot their ticket? Is it on rule for "you" and another rule for "them"?

Kaboombridge is a different story and not the issue at hand with the OP.

markpb

kearnsr wrote: »

So how is some meant to tell the difference between a scumbag trying to avoid the a fare and some one who forgot their ticket? Is it on rule for "you" and another rule for "them"?

Scumbags generally don't show themselves to staff announcing they don't have a ticket

godtabh

markpb wrote: »

Scumbags generally don't show themselves to staff announcing they don't have a ticket

They get clever and clever every day.

My sisters exBF used to work in Conolly taking tickets. He spotted a reapted fare dodger up to his old tricks. Pulled him over going through the paper work and asked him about his tie. He wore it so he wouldnt stand out so much. The exBf said you should have got one that matched your burbury cap!

_Kaiser_

kearnsr wrote: »

So how is some meant to tell the difference between a scumbag trying to avoid the a fare and some one who forgot their ticket? Is it on rule for "you" and another rule for "them"?

Kaboombridge is a different story and not the issue at hand with the OP.

With all due respect, Broombridge IS in fact "one rule for you and another for them" - you (more specifically IE) can't have it both ways. You either provide enough ticket facilities at EVERY station, or you accept that some passengers will not have one at their destination, take their details certainly, BUT give them a chance to prove their innocence before you arbitrailly impose an apparently random (rather than fixed) fine - or to put it another way, innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Victor

Chill out folks.

If tickets are for sale before you board, then you must get a ticket.

Kaiser2000, sure the OP made a mistake, but one has to take responsibility for one's mistakes.

meanmachine3

there is no clear way of distinguishing who is genuine and who is not. the O.P. as stated didn't have a valid ticket then lashes out at a staff menber who is doing what they are paid to do. there are signs are every station reminding passengers about having valid tickets and the consequences of not having one.
I know for a fact dublin bus have a zero tollerence policy and unit when it comes to not having valid tickets so i assume irish rail would also have the same.
if this was a genuine mistake then i think the O.P. could've sorted his mess out before he left the station i.e. he should've asked to speak to a manager there and then, but then again he left himself wide open by getting agressive/ abusive.
as the saying goes ,up there for thinking and down there for dancin
now getting to the abusive bit, these guys are not paid to take abuse from anyone. also the new barriers were put in city centre stations for a reason.
would the O.P. have been just as quick with his tongue if there had been inspectors on the train.?

pablomakaveli

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

With all due respect, Broombridge IS in fact "one rule for you and another for them" - you (more specifically IE) can't have it both ways. You either provide enough ticket facilities at EVERY station, or you accept that some passengers will not have one at their destination, take their details certainly, BUT give them a chance to prove their innocence before you arbitrailly impose an apparently random (rather than fixed) fine - or to put it another way, innocent until PROVEN guilty.

if a station doesnt have ticket facilities your supposed to buy a ticket from the ticket checker on the train.

Seth Brundle

Victor wrote: »

Kaiser2000, sure the OP made a mistake, but one has to take responsibility for one's mistakes.

From my reading of it, the OP tried to rectify the mistake but ended getting fined

pablomakaveli wrote: »

if a station doesnt have ticket facilities your supposed to buy a ticket from the ticket checker on the train.

The Longford tale seems to dispute this possibility!

fh041205

kbannon wrote: »

From my reading of it, the OP tried to rectify the mistake but ended getting fined

The Longford tale seems to dispute this possibility!

Exactly. Its unfortunate and i'm sure if this employee h knew the full story was fact he would have been far more lenient. As has been mentioned though, it is impossible to distinguish between a regular commuter who has made a genuine mistake and one who is a regular fare evader.

AFAIK if you can't buy a ticket at the station you are permitted to board the train and buy it at the next opportunity (either on the train or at your destination).

Back on topic, I don't think this person helped themselves by starting to curse at the ticket checker the moment you didn't get your way. If you are relentlessly nice to whooever you're dealing with, most of them would let you off. People don't like to fine nice people, they would tend to be used to dealing with far more ebrasive personalities.

barryfitz

walked through the barriers today (with a valid ticket) didnt even have to show it. the employee keeping the doors open by standing in front of the sensor was texting on his phone. should have just done this yesterday:)

some people here are under the illusion that I was abusive/not pleasent to the clerk before I got the fine. Im afraid this wasnt the case. I went up to him, explained my mistake, he said "hang on a sec, have you got id?, sign this" and then gives me the fine. Then I got upset, as the lad had conned me into signing something without telling me it was a fine. I thought it was just a formality where they take your name if you havent got a ticket and then penalise you if you do it more than once. Thought the whole process was a bit underhanded. There might be some cute hewers here who have never been conned but trust me you'll be pissed off when it happens.

If I ever forget a ticket again, Im going to hop on the next train back to clonsilla/ashtown even maynooth if I have to and purchase a ticket there. then get back on the train to connolly. My ould fella used to always say "honesty is the best policy".......... which I believed until now

Heroditas wrote: »

I was thinking the same thing myself.

Sorry lads but it is also possible to take a step back if you cant be seen.

Oh yeah and attached you will find the fine itself

Xcellor

penexpers wrote: »

What was wrong with the ticket vending machines in Longford?

As far as I am aware there are no ticket machines in Longford yet. I did ask the gentleman in the information office and like I said he told me I would be charged 10 euros for buying the ticket ON THE TRAIN he mentioned nothing about using a machine and like I said if they had of been there I would have spotted them. If 31 euros is the normal fee fine... but since there was a promotion and I was told I would get this ON THE TRAIN I felt cheated.

The wrong information given to me by an Irish Rail employee resulted in me having to pay 3 times more... I reckon this is reason to be p*ssed off...

X

kida

A lot of things don't add up.

Buys a weekly tickert every week - mmm?? Would you not be better off with yearly or even monthly or do you like paying extra?

You always buy a weekly ticket buy yet you didn't have enough money this week - if you were in a routine as you claim then you would not

Get on at Maynoothvs Louisa Bridge

Thomas_S_Hunterson

barryfitz wrote: »

walked through the barriers today (with a valid ticket) didnt even have to show it. the employee keeping the doors open by standing in front of the sensor was texting on his phone. should have just done this yesterday:)

some people here are under the illusion that I was abusive/not pleasent to the clerk before I got the fine. Im afraid this wasnt the case. I went up to him, explained my mistake, he said "hang on a sec, have you got id?, sign this" and then gives me the fine. Then I got upset, as the lad had conned me into signing something without telling me it was a fine. I thought it was just a formality where they take your name if you havent got a ticket and then penalise you if you do it more than once. Thought the whole process was a bit underhanded. There might be some cute hewers here who have never been conned but trust me you'll be pissed off when it happens.

If I ever forget a ticket again, Im going to hop on the next train back to clonsilla/ashtown even maynooth if I have to and purchase a ticket there. then get back on the train to connolly. My ould fella used to always say "honesty is the best policy".......... which I believed until now


Sorry lads but it is also possible to take a step back if you cant be seen.

Oh yeah and attached you will find the fine itself

Just because you were honest doesn't mean you should be let off a fine which was imposed on you because you didn't have a ticket for the journey.

The fine is not for people who who deliberately try to avoid paying. It's for people who don't have a valid ticket. Them's the rules and clarity on that point is essential to ensure that there's no loophole for people to use when they're caught.

barryfitz

Kida another detective eh.

No it is not cheaper to buy a monthly ticket. Ask the girl at the desk in louisa bridge.

No I will not buy a yearly ticket when my job is about to move out to blanchardstown. Imagine trying to get a refund out of CIE for paying for a yearly ticket and then stop using the service after a couple of months.

Yes I am in a routine, but thats a just a silly argument to make and I dont know where your going with that.

Get on at Maynoothvs Louisa Bridge ?????????

What does this mean????????????

cabrwab

Does it really matter what ticket the OP wants to buy, that is his decision.
I know how it feels i half got stung like this before had my ticket forgot my Usit id at the time was on the dart. The inspector made a huge deal out of it fined me. I said i could present the ID just forgot it this morning buthad my ticket didn't matter.

But the i am perfect brigade is in full fling but if you read the 1st post the op says ok i had to pay the fine, just thought i would be honest didn't work (lesson there DIShonesty is the best policy) but why fine me an extra €50 for saying this is bull****.

Iam sorry but some of the staff within CIE, including SOME bus drivers and ticket inspectors etc are assh*les.

I did have an incident were i got on a train that didn't stop at my stop, i got off at the next stop crossed the track got the exact same train back, met the ticket inspector and he felt sorry for me as he didn't pick up on it when i got on the train left me off a fine or anything. So there is nice guys out there too!

godtabh

barryfitz wrote: »

Get on at Maynoothvs Louisa Bridge ?????????

What does this mean????????????

You said first you got on at Maynooth then Louisa Bridge

Seth Brundle

Sean_K wrote: »

The fine is not for people who who deliberately try to avoid paying. It's for people who don't have a valid ticket. Them's the rules and clarity on that point is essential to ensure that there's no loophole for people to use when they're caught.

OK then, are there stats for the number of people fined for getting on at Broombridge and for the number of them that were fined?

barryfitz

kearnsr wrote: »

You said first you got on at Maynooth then Louisa Bridge

We have already been through this.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

kbannon wrote: »

OK then, are there stats for the number of people fined for getting on at Broombridge and for the number of them that were fined?

(assuming i'm interpreting your post right, it's not very clear: )

There are figures for how much shoplifting goes on and how many shoplifters are caught and believe me the discrepancy is huge.

People are always going to slip through the net. The OP didn't. Tough.