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rude act performed while watching me

  • 24-08-2008 7:49am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 34


    Me and my partner have his 18yr old cousin staying with us for the week. He is due to leave today. Know the lad quiet well as he has stayed with us before and has never been a problem until last night.
    My partner had to unexpectedly work night shift last night. I offered the young lad a drink during the night - not sure how much of a drinker he is but he ended up having about 6 cans.
    Went to bed as normal - I have to sleep with the door open and light on in the hallway. While lying in bed I just happened to spot the cousin standing outside the door and he was naked and he was masterbating while looking at me. he obviously couldn't see that I could see him in the mirror.
    He evently returned to his room and as I was so tired I drifted off to sleep and kind of forgot about it until the morning. My husband came home and saw the sperm at door but didn't cop what it was - I didn't say anything.
    Don't know how I am going to face the young lad and should I say something to my partner.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    I would just forget about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭Trinity


    well if he was a stranger my reaction would be dirtry little bugger but under the circumstances you gave him alcohol, i doubt an 18 yr old would be a seasoned drinker. I imagine he wsa very drunk and when he wakes up and remembers (if he remembers) he will probably be mortified and get the hell out as fast as he can.

    Dunno whether you should tell your husband thats up to you but it depends on your husband. If he is going to start a row with the lad leave it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭c - 13


    caoibhin wrote: »
    I would just forget about it.

    And dont give him any more drink. Alcohol + Teenage Hormones = Severe Stupidity

    If it happens again, then broach the subject with you husband/him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Maddison


    Hi Op,

    I think that you should tell your husband as you are going to feel uncomfortable around his nephew & he will probably guess that there is something wrong anyway. Also not saying anything may allow the young lad to do this again.

    Madd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    you've got to send this lad a message that what he did was unacceptable and that he should never do it again. How you deliver that message is up to you. I think if I had to deliver that kind of message (I won't say "if it were me" cause frankly I can't see this ever happening to me!) I would take the guy aside and say "look, I saw what you did last night, I'm just going to say it's unacceptable and you should never do that kind of thing again, and that's the end of the matter" and try to go back to normal. Don't worry about the guy getting embarrassed - a little embarrassment should help the lesson stick - but try not to make a big deal out of it either. He's an 18 year old guy, which is really a sexually mature child. He's old enough to know better - sure - but maybe he just needs pointing in the right direction.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Carrigart Exile


    Give the nephew a cloth and carpet cleaner and tell him to clean up the mess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭Jack Sheehan


    He's 18 not 13, this is not a teenagers and their crazy emotions scenario, the guy needs to cop on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭chuckles30


    on the practical side, maybe you should try and close your door if/when he's staying over again. You can get some low watt night lights that you can plug in if you're not comfortable in the dark.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭sinnerboy


    the guy was not too young or drunk to be excused for this

    he should never enter your house again

    your OH deserves to know how little respect his cousin has for you , him and your home

    what he did was despicable - a violation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭Peleus


    that is disgusting. no matter how drunk or young he is, he still knows what he's doing. i'd just stay the hell away from him for as long as you can.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    chuckles30 wrote: »
    on the practical side, maybe you should try and close your door if/when he's staying over again. You can get some low watt night lights that you can plug in if you're not comfortable in the dark.
    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭tinkerbell


    I wouldn't even consider letting him stay over again and my god - you should be telling your partner about this! That was absolutely disgusting what the 18 yr old did, no amount of drink can excuse that. You should have said something when you saw him at the door!

    And the fact that there's a load of his mess now at your door, oh gross :eek: Don't you go cleaning that up! Make that lad clean up his own mess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭KhanTheMan


    What happens next time when he decides staying outside the door is not doing it for him?

    Tell your OH and let the dust settle where it settles but dont be alone with this guy again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Don't act now and don't be surprised that if there is a next time, he won't stop at the door.

    He is 18 ffs, no matter if he had 6 cans, he should know this is ridiculous behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    That is sexual harrashment and well out of order.
    Tell your partner that is not acceptable behaviour and I think you should speak out about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭kayos


    Thats just scarey tbh. Why you didnt say anything on the night is beyond me but hey whats done is done. As to what to do now you have to tell your partner. That is a horrible thing to do and shows no respect to you or your partner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    Know the lad quiet well as he has stayed with us before and has never been a problem until last night.

    Obviously don't know him that well! Who knows what you may have missed by being asleep previous nights...

    I doubt this is a first.. he must have been fairly confident he could get away with it if he was buck naked!

    He's playing out his little fantasy obviously but at 18 he should cop on. How are you gonna sleep next time he is over if you don't address this now? What's to say next time he doesn't decide to come in the room...

    X


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭buckieburd


    Dont want to scaremonger but that sounds like the begining of devaint sexual behaviour, I dont think that is normal behaviour or teenage curiosity, i would ask your other half to have a chat with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    I know I will get crucified for this comment but Oh Well!

    OP, please do not take this as any sign of disrespect to you. Obviously it must have been very shocking for you. This is just an observation.

    I am also not saying you were asking for it, as it is unacceptable whatever signs he got, but is it possible he mis-read the signs?

    Your OH is out of the house. You offer him a drink - did you offer him a drink the other nights or just this one? He has about 6 cans which to most boardsies is a drop in the ocean, but to a non-seasoned drinker could more than he is used to, and then you go to bed but leave the door open.

    Again I want to re-iterate that I do not think what he did was acceptable behaviour, nor do I think your actions provoked him, I just wonder if he got confused by the situation. Lets not go labelling him as a rapist just yet.

    As for telling the OH. If you have not done it by now, then I wouldn't. I think you OH will wonder why you didnt tell him right away, and then make a bigger deal out of it.

    As for the lad himself. Maybe ask him was he ok during the night, that you heard him moving about etc? Mention your a very light sleeper or something. This should give him enough of a fright to stop him doing it again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MicraBoy


    Well I find it quite bizarre that you didn't let a scream out of you the second you saw him. That would have answered the one question you needed answering. That was wether he was conciously doing this or not. He may have been asleep and combined with the drink it lead to a rather unpleasant act.

    Some people do very bizarre things while asleep, for example getting into the wrong bed or opening closet doors and going for a pee (that isn't that uncommon).

    There is even a condition were some people have sex in their sleep. see link or google sexsomnia.

    Sexsomnia


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭HELLO132


    Sick Pervert how stupid can you be :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Pub07


    There's a new one...blame it on being asleep at the time. If you can't be bothered thinking up one of the many excuses used these days to absolve personal responsiblity for your behaviour just say you were sleeping.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 969 ✭✭✭sunzz


    What he did was just down right bad..

    But ask yourself why you didn't say anything and just drifted off back to sleep after seeing something so vile and a serious invasion of your privacy in your home


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭sinnerboy


    sunzz wrote: »
    What he did was just down right bad..

    But ask yourself why you didn't say anything and just drifted off back to sleep after seeing something so vile and a serious invasion of your privacy in your home

    Might I suggest ... shock ... dis belief .... fear ?

    But sorry OP , you need to grow some and get MAD .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Marksie


    HELLO132 wrote: »
    Sick Pervert how stupid can you be :eek:

    I am unsure who you aimed that at, what you are going on about, or how this is helping.
    Please post constructively


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Marksie


    Pub07 wrote: »
    There's a new one...blame it on being asleep at the time. If you can't be bothered thinking up one of the many excuses used these days to absolve personal responsiblity for your behaviour just say you were sleeping.

    There have been cases where people have in fact killed their OH in their sleep and its been accepted.
    But thats not the Issue here, so lets not go down that particular route any further.

    OP: You will have to do something about this. He needs to know his behaviour went beyond the pale of what is acceptable.
    The decision you have to make is whether to involve your OH, you know him better than we do and about his likely reaction.

    Smmcarrick put it very well if you want to approach the lad yourself

    However, it would seem to me that, regardless of whether you have to sleep with the door open and light on. The Overnight Visits have to stop, permanently.

    For all the above reasons put forward plus the fact that, what would have happened if your OH had, in fact, recognised it as semen?. It would have been a much trickier situation to have to explain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 BarryC


    I would say something to the 18 year old
    What if this happened again to some one else and the results were worse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭LolaDub


    Op seriously you need to tell your partner and together decide what to say to the guy. He has to know this is unacceptable behaviour. If you don't tell your partner or the lad and the same situation comes up again where your partner is out of your home and the guy is drinking, would you feel safe in your own home? Definitely insist that the overnight visits and this guy drinking in your home stop immediately. What would he do if he was overnight in his friends home? For a guy to choose a relatives partner to do this to what would he do to someone who he didn't know very well or at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭juvenal


    For starters, what happened is unacceptable and no-one should have to put up with this, especially in their own home.

    To all the posters who are calling him a pervert, and that this is the start of sexual deviance etc., cop on. Yes, the act was outrageous, but we don't know the exact situation apart from what was described in the original post. There is a very real possibility that the boy was asleep and is still not even aware of what has happened - and you want to wade in gung-ho and publicly embarrass him before we even know the facts? There's also a possibility that he has serious issues and this wasn't an accidental (for want of a better word) or isolated incident, and he needs professional help. It's clear that whatever happened, he obviously harbours some sexual attraction towards the OP, and there's nothing particularly wrong with that - but acting on it or making a move on these feelings is way offside. He's an 18-year-old male, and I'm guessing that the OP is in her 20's or 30's.

    He also was obviously drunk, and anyone seasoned drinker knows that after 6 cans you're well on the way to being drunk; and an 18-year-old is bound to be more than worse for wear. The alcohol is in no way an excuse, but it is a mitigating factor, which could explain whether he was sleepwalking or not.

    If she decides to tell her partner, there's a chance he might fly off the handle and go for his cousin. Do you think kicking the lad's ass is going to solve the problem or achieve anything?

    I personally would have a quiet chat with him and discuss what happened. If he knows what he did, and was awake at the time, then it's a whole different ball game, even taking the alcohol into account. He might initially deny it, but he'll soon talk. Even if he knows what he did, he probably hasn't a clue that the OP knows; as she said she could only see him through the reflection of the mirror. You could even say that your partner knows, and you just wanted to deal with it discreetly. I would be hesitant to involve the partner and extended family from the start, but it would probably depend on the personalities involved.

    I'd also wonder why he'd leave his boys all over the door if he was consciously awake rather then clean up after himself. Surely if he was awake he'd want to remove all evidence from the crime scene, although if he purposely did that you've a whole new set of problems.

    Have a talk with him and suss out what exactly happened - then decide where to go from there. Until you know the facts there's no point in deciding whether this was a weird event brought on by a number of factors, or if there's something more sinister behind it.

    Don't bother with the people here who want to see him added to the Sex Offenders Register based on one post.:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭Swampy


    You should tell your fella. This could only get worse. Very strange behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭05D


    He's an adult!! OMG.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    I remember reading something about flashers and how they nearly always never do it again after they've been caught. Basically the shame is stronger than whatever impulse they have to flash.

    I know this isn't quite the same as flashing, but I do think you need to say something. I'm not sure what, but he needs to see his behaviour is unacceptable and has negative conequences.

    He could just be a drunk, embarrassed, what-the-****-did-i-do, teenager, or he could be a rapist in training. We don't know. So I think you should say something or do something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Say something to the lad and let him know you won't tolerate that sort of nonsense. But I'd be wary of telling your husband as it's only likely to cause a row and would achieve little else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭LolaDub


    Op if you say something to the guy but not to your husband it could come around in a much worse way. The guy is his family, if he started saying you came onto him and then you had to tell the truth it would leave your partner with a lot of doubt in my opinion.

    I know a lot of posters are saying that as you gave him drink and he wasn't a seasoned drinker it might just have been a drunk thing. When i was 18 i was definitely a seasoned drinker and i think nearly all the 18 year olds of today would be!

    If you go to the worst dates etc thread in the ladies lounge you'll see a lot of laughs but also a scary amount of abuse towards women. A lot of them seem to have been from younger men. Its possible that younger men and drink produce odd results but many times when they target younger women, the girls are too embarrassed or ashamed to come forward and say anything.

    I feel strongly that the thing to do here is speak to your partner and together come up with a way to approach the guy in a constructive manner to let him know its not acceptable. As i said you before you're the partner of his family, what would he do if it was a friend or someone he didn't really know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭05D


    My husband came home and saw the sperm at door but didn't cop what it was


    What did he think it was then?? Tell him!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,687 ✭✭✭deisemum


    LolaDub wrote: »
    Op if you say something to the guy but not to your husband it could come around in a much worse way. The guy is his family, if he started saying you came onto him and then you had to tell the truth it would leave your partner with a lot of doubt in my opinion.

    I know a lot of posters are saying that as you gave him drink and he wasn't a seasoned drinker it might just have been a drunk thing. When i was 18 i was definitely a seasoned drinker and i think nearly all the 18 year olds of today would be!

    I agree,

    OP I think you should tell your husband


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    juvenal wrote: »
    To all the posters who are calling him a pervert, and that this is the start of sexual deviance etc., cop on.
    Perhaps you should cop on. He wasn't having a wank in the privicy of his own room and got caught; he was watching the adult channel after dark and walked in on. What he did was unacceptable. He stood naked in the hall masturbating over his (aunt?) uncles wife in her home.
    These are not the actions of a normal person.
    I've been locked many, many, many times, but I'd never even dream of doing that to my own OH never mind my uncles wife/aunt
    It is wrong. And he should be made aware that this is unacceptable.

    OP talk to your husband. Explain what happened. Talk to you nephew. Explain that if he did that to a complete stranger he could end up in court, and ultimately the sex offenders list.

    He's 18. He's not a child.
    There is a very real possibility that the boy was asleep and is still not even aware of what has happened
    Alseep??? :rolleyes: If he does this in his sleep, he need to be made aware of it. ASAP
    and you want to wade in gung-ho and publicly embarrass him before we even know the facts? There's also a possibility that he has serious issues and this wasn't an accidental (for want of a better word) or isolated incident,
    whats all this gibberish? Because he has issues (clearly he has) she should just let it slide? Would you say the same if she caught him doing it to her daughter (if they had one?)
    and he needs professional help.
    That he does, but if she doesn't act on it, he won't get help.
    He also was obviously drunk,
    Nope I don't see how you can claim that. When I was 18, 6 cans wouldn't get me near drunk.
    The alcohol is in no way an excuse, but it is a mitigating factor, which could explain whether he was sleepwalking or not.
    Sleepwalking wouldn't be an issue. This isn't sleepwalking. For a start, there was no walking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MicraBoy


    Zulu wrote:
    Sleepwalking wouldn't be an issue. This isn't sleepwalking. For a start, there was no walking.

    So how did he get into the hall? Float perhaps?

    The fact is no one knows if he was asleep or not, you can only believe he was asleep or not. The OP could have determined this by reacting to what was going on, but didn't. It is fairly obvious when you wake a sleep walker up that they have no idea what's going on, and I think it would have been fairly obvious in this case if the lad had been caught out or woken up.

    The main point I would make is that it is no good screaming pervert without being certain of the above point.

    It does not change the fact that the OP should discuss it with her partner and then the lad in question, because either way it needs to not happen again. It's a matter of being open to the idea that not every one is sicko that does something odd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    MicraBoy wrote: »
    So how did he get into the hall? Float perhaps?
    Schuummmm! The sound of my point, the one you completely missed. Bravo!

    Sleepwalking isn't a valid excuse. Neither is "experimenting" or "being drunk". :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MicraBoy


    I think you'll find I got your point.
    Sleepwalking isn't a valid excuse. Neither is "experimenting" or "being drunk".

    Well it must be great to be able to lump all those things in to the same category. Really simplifies things.

    "Experimenting" and "being drunk" are excuses. Sleep walking is an explanation (or should I say possible explanation).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Shades799


    Nothing like a tabloid reaction to blow things out of proportion.

    There are far too many Ifs and Buts in this thread.

    OP, you yourself need to decide what's best because you yourself know all the facts. I think you've heard both sides of the arguments from everyone but it's only you yourself that can now decide because you, and only you, know the personalities involved and the exact situation as it happened.

    I for one would tell my OH because as my OH they would be the first person I would tell everything to. However if you think by telling him things would be made worse because he is a volitile person then its probably best not to.

    It is a very tricky situation and I sympathise with you. It must be very tough but I think you need to make your decision now and go with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭juvenal


    Zulu wrote: »
    Perhaps you should cop on. He wasn't having a wank in the privicy of his own room and got caught; he was watching the adult channel after dark and walked in on. What he did was unacceptable. He stood naked in the hall masturbating over his (aunt?) uncles wife in her home.

    I never said it wasn't unacceptable - read my post again if you think I'm condoning his actions.
    Zulu wrote: »
    These are not the actions of a normal person.
    I've been locked many, many, many times, but I'd never even dream of doing that to my own OH never mind my uncles wife/aunt
    It is wrong. And he should be made aware that this is unacceptable.

    Again I fully agree; it is wrong and we've all been drunk many times but never done something like this. Where did I say she should drop it and not make him aware of what happened?:confused:
    Zulu wrote: »
    OP talk to your husband. Explain what happened. Talk to you nephew. Explain that if he did that to a complete stranger he could end up in court, and ultimately the sex offenders list.

    He's 18. He's not a child.

    Alseep??? :rolleyes: If he does this in his sleep, he need to be made aware of it. ASAP

    Once again you seem to be of the opinion that I was in some way saying she should drop it, when I told her to make sure she brought it up; I just advised her to have a bit more initial tact than some of the posters here who are calling for his head based on one post.
    Zulu wrote: »
    whats all this gibberish? Because he has issues (clearly he has) she should just let it slide? Would you say the same if she caught him doing it to her daughter (if they had one?)
    That he does, but if she doesn't act on it, he won't get help.

    WTF - when did I tell her to let it slide? You just seem to want to read what you want to see without actually reading what I've posted.
    Zulu wrote: »
    Nope I don't see how you can claim that. When I was 18, 6 cans wouldn't get me near drunk. Sleepwalking wouldn't be an issue. This isn't sleepwalking. For a start, there was no walking.

    This isn't sleepwalking? How do you know? You've no idea of the situation outside of what the OP described. It's not a defence for what happened, but it could go some way towards explaining what happened. If you think it's not possible to be sleep-walking and do something like this I suggest you research some more before you come along a make wild generalisations to suit your arguments. You don't know you're a sleepwalker until someone finds you wandering or you suddenly wake up in the kitchen at 3am. Just because it never happened to you and you seem to think you have a hollow leg it doesn't mean that applies to everyone.

    The fact that he had a good bit of drink taken is in no way an excuse, but it is something that could have contributed to the situation.
    MicraBoy wrote: »
    The main point I would make is that it is no good screaming pervert without being certain of the above point.

    It does not change the fact that the OP should discuss it with her partner and then the lad in question, because either way it needs to not happen again. It's a matter of being open to the idea that not every one is sicko that does something odd.

    +1 It should not happen again under any circumstances. I fully agree that the OP should discuss it; my only concern was how her partner would react given the situation. Him flying off the handle isn't going to help, but if they can sit down as adults and discuss it then that's the way to go. It would be better that she discussed it with her OH, but it would also depend on how she thinks he would handle it.
    Shades799 wrote: »
    Nothing like a tabloid reaction to blow things out of proportion.

    There are far too many Ifs and Buts in this thread.

    OP, you yourself need to decide what's best because you yourself know all the facts. I think you've heard both sides of the arguments from everyone but it's only you yourself that can now decide because you, and only you, know the personalities involved and the exact situation as it happened.

    I for one would tell my OH because as my OH they would be the first person I would tell everything to. However if you think by telling him things would be made worse because he is a volitile person then its probably best not to.

    It is a very tricky situation and I sympathise with you. It must be very tough but I think you need to make your decision now and go with it.

    Yes it's a very difficult situation to deal with. I would also tell my OH as I know them inside-out and know how they would react. As you said, in this case we don't know any of the parties so we don't know how they would take this, hence the hesitation to involve the partner without knowing the personalities involved.

    Unfortunately some of the posters here can't see any other rational argument that doesn't involve heavy-handed action without knowing the facts of the situation.:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I find it quite odd that you watched him till he finished.. why didn't you just roll over so as all he could see was a lump under the covers?

    Anyway, this guy sounds weird and if he thinks this is ok.. god knows what else he thinks is ok..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    It has to be brought up (ooo eck!). I mean even if he sleep-walked-undressed-boner-masturbationed towards her room, and sleep peered through her door... what if there's kids in the house. Either way it's creepy stalker freak territory and I wouldn't stand for it!

    Say it to hour hubbie.
    r


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,974 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    Maybe he was having some sort of "sleepwalking" episode, my younger sister used to get dressed in her sleep and my mum found her downstairs halfway through her breakfast a few nights, maybe something similar happened here?

    Has the young lad ever shown signs of being a bit pervy or weird in the past? TBH, it sounds to me like he wasn't fully aware of where he was/what he was doing as he was standing in your doorway totally naked. I think if his intention had been to perve on you while having a sneaky ****, he'd probably have worn trousers, or at the very least a pair of underpants, so that in the event you woke up, he could just tuck it back in and pretend he was getting up to go to the loo or something. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he was not entirely in control of his faculties at the time, because honestly the alternative (that he's some sort of perverted peeping tom) doesn't bear thinking about. Assuming that he was sleepwalking, half asleep, or otherwise not fully aware of what he was doing, what should you do about it?

    My advice would be to tell your husband. Mainly for the reason that there was semen stains at your door, and if he starts to think back on it you don't want him starting to wonder how it got there, and jumping to conclusions like that you'd been having it off with the young fella or that you had another guy over. Sit him down and say what happened, calmly and rationally, don't exagerate, just give the facts. Then (assuming he doesn't flip out or anything), ask him to sit down and talk to the guy. Firstly, again assuming that he didn't realise what he was doing, he needs to be made aware that this happened, and maybe go to his GP or something and get to the bottom of why he did it. Secondly, he needs to know that, intentional or not, it's totally unacceptable, that you were really freaked out by it. Thirdly, regardless of whether or not it was intentional, your husband should impress upon him just how serious this actually is. If it happened again and someone reported it, he could go to prison, and end up on the sex offenders register. What would have happened if you'd woken up, and started screaming bloody murder and the Gardai were called? If it was intentional and he thought it was harmless, this may scare him into never doing it again. If it was the case that he was half asleep or something, this should scare him into doing something about it, like see his GP or getting in touch with a sleep clinic?

    Hopefully it was a freak occurrence, brought on by perhaps being in a strange house, having a few beers, and maybe being really tired or something. Hopefully when your husband sits down with him, he'll be mortified beyond belief, apologise profusely, and won't be able to look you in the eye again for a good many years. The alternative, is a much more chilling thought, and I really hope that he didn't actually plan what he did. Either way I wouldn't be keen on having him back in the house in the near future.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    I wouldn't let that horny bugger in my gaff again.If he was pullin' the chimp off himself at your bedroom door with a few beers on him imagine what could happin next time if you get sloshed.You could wake up gettin' teabagged in the middle of the night with a sticky pillow


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 495 ✭✭Tony Broke


    syklops wrote: »
    I know I will get crucified for this comment but Oh Well!

    OP, please do not take this as any sign of disrespect to you. Obviously it must have been very shocking for you. This is just an observation.

    I am also not saying you were asking for it, as it is unacceptable whatever signs he got, but is it possible he mis-read the signs?

    Your OH is out of the house. You offer him a drink - did you offer him a drink the other nights or just this one? He has about 6 cans which to most boardsies is a drop in the ocean, but to a non-seasoned drinker could more than he is used to, and then you go to bed but leave the door open.

    Again I want to re-iterate that I do not think what he did was acceptable behaviour, nor do I think your actions provoked him, I just wonder if he got confused by the situation. Lets not go labelling him as a rapist just yet.

    As for telling the OH. If you have not done it by now, then I wouldn't. I think you OH will wonder why you didnt tell him right away, and then make a bigger deal out of it.

    As for the lad himself. Maybe ask him was he ok during the night, that you heard him moving about etc? Mention your a very light sleeper or something. This should give him enough of a fright to stop him doing it again.

    Yep the young man thought he was in there.

    You should have set him straight that second you saw him whip it out, he would have been mortified, while you would have made your intentions totally clear and it would have been all over then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭juvenal


    Toots85 wrote: »
    Maybe he was having some sort of "sleepwalking" episode, my younger sister used to get dressed in her sleep and my mum found her downstairs halfway through her breakfast a few nights, maybe something similar happened here?

    ..............................

    The alternative, is a much more chilling thought, and I really hope that he didn't actually plan what he did. Either way I wouldn't be keen on having him back in the house in the near future.

    I would agree that it would be better discussed with the OP's partner and then the lad, in a calm and rational manner. I've said already if he's going to go nuts about it, then it could just complicate matters. As he noticed the specimen that he left on the door, then honesty is probably the best policy, but everyone needs to keep a cool head. If he (the 18y.o.) was aware of what he was doing then it's a whole new ballpark.

    I doubt they'll be able to talk to the GP about anything as this is going to come up against the patient-doctor confidentiality issue.

    It may also be an option to discuss it with the cousin's parents, as he should be aware of the gravity of what happened, and they may be able to help deal with the issue. Despite the fact that he is legally an adult, it might be no harm to let them know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭stevelknievel


    C'mon guys, stop saying he must have been very drunk, or not able to handle it cos he's 18. He's probably being drinking for the last 6 years ffs, and definitely has been for the last 3. He knew what he was doing. Yes the drink probably gave him the false courage, but he knew what he was at. He knew it was bad. As someone said, mention you are a light sleeper, and heard him. That should frighten him a little. And definitely have a word with your OH.


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,974 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    I dunno, I'd tread carefully before mentioning anything to his parents. That could turn things really nasty. What if the parents don't believe it? That might cause some sort of family fued. Also, if it is a case that this was genuinely an accident, it'd totally humiliate the nephew. I don't really think his parents have a right to know.


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