lissadell estate roe deer

jwshooter

in about 1870 roe were introduced to lissadell they were in ireland for about 50 years the last one shot in 1930 s ,i have seen some of the heads but does any one have any info on the rest of them or there where abouts ,also how many deer there was on the estate at the time .

Grizzly 45

JW
There was somthing in an ISD on this.See if I can dig them out for you.
Later...Here you go ISD Jan 2004.

Sikamick

jwshooter wrote: »

in about 1870 roe were introduced to lissadell they were in ireland for about 50 years the last one shot in 1930 s ,i have seen some of the heads but does any one have any info on the rest of them or there where abouts ,also how many deer there was on the estate at the time .

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jwshooter would the Game Keeper files and paper work of the Lisadell Estate be available.

I have an old Roe Buck head that was shot here in Ireland and I would be interested in finding out where it came from.

Sikamick

jwshooter

Sikamick wrote: »

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jwshooter would the Game Keeper files and paper work of the Lisadell Estate be available.

I have an old Roe Buck head that was shot here in Ireland and I would be interested in finding out where it came from.

Sikamick

what could have been,, thanks grizzly .mick a friend of mine has a head from lissadell too .i am very interested in your head any info on it or a pic .does the state lissadell now .i shot fallow in sligo last season lovely county

Sikamick

Photos attachment, I will have to speak to the person I got from to get some
History.

Sikamick



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DR6.5

The estate was sold approx. 3 years ago to two barristers, a number of the Roe heads that were shot on the estate were auctioned off in a public auction in the house after the new owners took posession of the estate. There was a number of lots in the auction in relation to shooting and fishing memorabilia.

jwshooter

Sikamick wrote: »

Photos attachment, I will have to speak to the person I got from to get some
History.

Sikamick



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mick your a lucky man ,envy ,, never part with it . its history on your wall i will find out more on them tommra as i will be talking to my friend regards jw

Keelan

Their is ment to be a rake of muntjack in wicklow, mate shot 3 last season..they were introduced a while back.
As for roe, their is a load in meath and in the north..;)

sixpointfive

Roe in meath?? first ive heard of it, where in meath?

Keelan

sixpointfive wrote: »

Roe in meath?? first ive heard of it, where in meath?

Now, that would be telling...:p
Go out and look about..;)

Grizzly 45

Unless somone has a smuggled a few in.There are NONE native to Ireland.
All the NI fieldsports pages on deer hunting give the same info NO Roe deer in N Ireland either.:(

John Griffin

Have you personally seen any of the Muntjac that were shot by your mate and have you seen any of the Roe either. There are Muntjac in Wicklow for sure, but i haven't heard of a single person shooting 3 in a season. I only know of one that was shot and i personally saw it and photographed it. Do you have any photos to back this up? I hear these stories all the time but nobody ever backs them up with sound evidence.

Vegeta

John Griffin wrote: »

Do you have any photos to back this up? I hear these stories all the time but nobody ever backs them up with sound evidence.

I'm not commenting on whether there is or isn't roe/muntjac in Ireland.

I know I myself don't carry a decent camera out shooting so it is credible that if someone saw one they wouldn't have the gear to take a shot of one. Although if they're shot and brought home then taking pics would be easy.

John some of your pics are fantastic and you're clearly quite into the photography. Any suggestions for a cheap way to photograph deer sized animal from maybe 300 yards??

Was out on a pre season walk about yesterday and spotted 10 female reds lying out in the sun. Would have loved to take pics (not anything you'd consider decent quality now, more for my records) but don't want to spend big money.

Would just like to get a pic to throw on a forum, keep in shooting diary etc.

Grizzly 45

Get A bino Cam.about 100/140 euros on ebay for the cheaper mods.They have the advantage of being light and combining a camera and average binos in one. And if by some odd chance you have acess to the net and alaptop/pda while out hunting:eek:.You can upload stills or live feed clips to the net rightaway.They arent the most robust thing,well the electronic one isnt.The old chemical film job is a Tasco binocam and is sturdy uses the old Kodack film rolls,and gives pretty good pics.Just need to be developed.

jwshooter

John Griffin wrote: »

Have you personally seen any of the Muntjac that were shot by your mate and have you seen any of the Roe either. There are Muntjac in Wicklow for sure, but i haven't heard of a single person shooting 3 in a season. I only know of one that was shot and i personally saw it and photographed it. Do you have any photos to back this up? I hear these stories all the time but nobody ever backs them up with sound evidence.

DONT TELL HIM

thelurcher

If someone did come across roe or muntjac is there any restrictions on how or when you can take them?

jwshooter

yes as deer they are protected under our wildlife act and there is no open season on them so they can not be shot /hunted .interesting that as the one that was shot with a 223 at nite ,did any one look into that .:mad:

John Griffin

Vegeta wrote: »

I'm not commenting on whether there is or isn't roe/muntjac in Ireland.

I know I myself don't carry a decent camera out shooting so it is credible that if someone saw one they wouldn't have the gear to take a shot of one. Although if they're shot and brought home then taking pics would be easy.

John some of your pics are fantastic and you're clearly quite into the photography. Any suggestions for a cheap way to photograph deer sized animal from maybe 300 yards??

Was out on a pre season walk about yesterday and spotted 10 female reds lying out in the sun. Would have loved to take pics (not anything you'd consider decent quality now, more for my records) but don't want to spend big money.

Would just like to get a pic to throw on a forum, keep in shooting diary etc.

300 meters is a long way for any camera/ lens set up. I'm not that well up on taking average quality pictures with small compact cameras. My gear is very heavy and very expensive. I use a Canon 1D mkIIn, a Canon 20d, a Canon 600L f4 and a Canon 100-400L. These need serious tripods also and are very difficult to use but will produce fantastic images. I guess that any compact with a 10x optical zoom is the most suitable camera for your needs. Don't worry too much about mega pixels, anything around 6 million is enough, try to find one with image stabilization and stick with the big name brands for quality. Look up some reviews on the net, steves cameras is a good one.

jwshooter wrote: »

DONT TELL HIM

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jwshooter wrote: »

yes as deer they are protected under our wildlife act and there is no open season on them so they can not be shot /hunted .interesting that as the one that was shot with a 223 at nite ,did any one look into that .:mad:

It was a .22 hornet in daylight actually and no prosecution was taken against him, a decision that was taken at a high level. One would think you are very much pro Muntjac introduction by the way you are talking:D.

Hopefully there will be a fix for this soon in the wildlife act.

Grizzly 45

ASFIK,isnt there a special order from the minister on shooting them due to the fact they are an invasive species???Plus unless an animal is mentioned in the WF act 76,it doesn't have a protected status???

John Griffin

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

ASFIK,isnt there a special order from the minister on shooting them due to the fact they are an invasive species???Plus unless an animal is mentioned in the WF act 76,it doesn't have a protected status???

That ended at the end of March, there are now a number of people with S23 licences to shoot them. There is a committee working on this at the moment. Off the top of my head, in article 5 of the act it says all deer species and this was meant to cover the 3 we have, nobody thought of alien species when it was been written and any alien species of deer released are afforded total protection accidently and don't even have an open season because they are not on the open seasons order.

Grizzly 45

ARE we looking at there being actually a good pouplation of muntjac here?Or are we talking just a freak occurance of a single or pair being out there?Also in reality,are they really a major threat to the Irish enviroment?It's not likely that they would Xbreed with any other species ?

jwshooter

heard noting about the hornet only it was at nite with a 223 ,only know what i was told ,like your self .the lurcher ask can roe and muntjac be taken and i gave a answer all deer in ireland are given protection under the wild life act and there is no season on them ,and if we put as much effort looking after the 3 speices of deer we have instead of looking for a new one, the deer will be better off .i wounder how many muntjac will be shot sunday nite next .any way the thread was about roe deer of lissadell

sixpointfive

"Now, that would be telling...
Go out and look about.."


Na, waste of time, definatley no roe deer in south of ireland, and wont change my mind until i see photographic evidence, and id say i will be even older and greyer before i see that.:rolleyes:

John Griffin

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

ARE we looking at there being actually a good pouplation of muntjac here?Or are we talking just a freak occurance of a single or pair being out there?Also in reality,are they really a major threat to the Irish enviroment?It's not likely that they would Xbreed with any other species ?

From the reported sightings there are quite a few! Nobody could put a figure on it, except maybe the people that released them. There is nothing from them to hybridise with here but they will cause massive damage to Native and semi native Woodlands and gardens and cereal crops. No real threat to forestry.

Grizzly 45

There is nothing from them to hybridise with here but they will cause massive damage to Native and semi native Woodlands and gardens and cereal crops. No real threat to forestry.

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So really nothing more than the average deer could do then??

jwshooter

cry wolf once to often, i would say there is more wild boar than muntjac in the country thats of course if there is muntjac in the wild .i have stalking in north wexford and boar have been seen there ,

sixpointfive

i would beieve boar and muntjac before roe, that is not the first time i have heard of boar in the wild but no proof yet, would i be right in thinking that roe and boar lived on this isle long ago?? a buddy of mine recons that boar and roe were native here thousands of yr ago

Sika_Stalker

wild boar were native to ireland until the end of the 17th century
it is believed that the last 1 was hunted and killed in north cork near Kanturk

John Griffin

Yes wildboar were native but were driven to extinction, Roe deer were not native but were introduced to Lissadell and population were shot out in the early 1900.
Wild Boar have been released into the wild in Wicklow, I have video proof of them in the wild near where JWshooter is talking about. They were very tame so maybe they didn't survive.

sixpointfive

How long ago? i thought they only lived in hardwood and pasture ground, no?

John Griffin

sixpointfive wrote: »

How long ago? i thought they only lived in hardwood and pasture ground, no?

Around July 2007, anybody that want to see it? I have it on my phone, I'm at the Game fair in Birr this weekend and I have a stand in the big marquee.
Yes they like hardwood, pasture and tillage and theres plenty of that on the wicklow/wexford border.

jwshooter

John Griffin wrote: »

Around July 2007, anybody that want to see it? I have it on my phone, I'm at the Game fair in Birr this weekend and I have a stand in the big marquee.
Yes they like hardwood, pasture and tillage and theres plenty of that on the wicklow/wexford border.

did you see the big one john ,, hope to introduce him to my .270 this season

John Griffin

jwshooter wrote: »

did you see the big one john ,, hope to introduce him to my .270 this season

:D:Dbest of luck with that:D:D:D never saw him, just females and young.:)

Grizzly 45

Isnt there a bunch of escapees up around Roscommon from a farm that was rearing them commerically a few years ago??

sixpointfive

there were some in keshcarrigan co leitrim , was on tv3 news a couple of years ago but they were "eliminated" as they were wrecking the place, digging up gardens and people thought they could be dangerous

Grizzly 45

Awwwwwww!!! And they were going on in the Indo and others on how "unique " and "cute" the pigges were!:rolleyes: Tune changed when said cute wild pigges obviously made a hames of some folks spud patches.And YES they can be extremly dangerous in the mating and with their young.

k_d

hey guys

was looking at the lissadell site and i seen this picture on it



now i dont do any deer shooting but is this a roe? if so i can tell you theres a few still about....

Sika_Stalker

nope its not a roe but it is a fallow

endasmail

k_d wrote: »

hey guys

was looking at the lissadell site and i seen this picture on it



now i dont do any deer shooting but is this a roe? if so i can tell you theres a few still about....

not to annoy anyone,but i was out lamping foxes couple of weeks ago and i came across one these without the horns ,i know feck all bout deer ,but had a look at him through my sights and let him off ,went back to mr. fox.seen him in a field in meath

jwshooter

its a fallow buck with a mad head on him brow tines are strong but whats with the rest . id whack him for been ugly buy id love to see next years head on him for that alone id spare him,if in doubt give them a year ,then whack him if no improvement

k_d

o well ill stick to whackin foxs for a while! Feck it is hard to tell the difference some times tho, for the untrained eye!!

jwshooter

very like the black fallow sligo way , i cull there last year and the animals were all black . lovely looking

ArdeeStalker

Keelan wrote: »

Their is ment to be a rake of muntjack in wicklow, mate shot 3 last season..they were introduced a while back.
As for roe, their is a load in meath and in the north..;)

im begining to think that most of the posts on here are complete bullsh*t,
theres only been one confirmed muntjac kill in wicklow and one muntjac run over by a car in co.down, thats it !
there was i think 9 muntjac kills reported on the license returns last year, all were investigated by the wildlife dept. and all were found to be false !
as for roe buck been in co.meath, complete bollocks !
iv walked through most of the woods in meath and have never heard or seen any roe or know of anyone else seeing them

BELOWaverageIQ

I might suggest that you look at the date of the last post prior to yours today.
There is also the fact that one of the main posters (JW) is now unfortunately deceased....so I respectfully suggest that you might start a thread afresh if you wish the debate the ''bull**** talk'' or otherwise.

Cass

ArdeeStalker wrote:

im begining to think that most of the posts on here are complete bullsh*t

Remember Rule #1

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