CE Scheme Rates

Jah Luff

Does anyone do or know what the CE Scheme rate of pay is? I'am nearly a year on the dole and finding it very hard to find work and someone suggested to look at CE as i would be eligable to do one. Thanks for any replies!

the GALL

It's the same as the dole but your givin a travel allowence/ meal allowence so about €220 Total
So if you take into account 197.50 for lying in bed doing feck all and €220 for doing 19.5hr work....It's up to yourself what you want
But I will say in their defence they do have a budget for courses to get you back to work ie first aid/ECDL etc etc

Athina

the GALL wrote: »

It's the same as the dole but your givin a travel allowence/ meal allowence so about €220 Total
So if you take into account 197.50 for lying in bed doing feck all and €220 for doing 19.5hr work....It's up to yourself what you want
But I will say in their defence they do have a budget for courses to get you back to work ie first aid/ECDL etc etc

Yes they have excellent budgets for further education in third level colleges now which they didnt have in years gone by, if you can get your hands on one of thse schemes go for it. It will bolster your self esteem, give you something to get up for in the morning, the chance to socially mix with others and most important of all valuable work experience and an education course to add to your CV. Good luck:)

shoegirl

It will give you a better chance of actually getting a job if that is what you want, as potential employers will see you as making an effort. That said, the hours are fairly short and you get to keep your other benefits, and the social see you as making an effort so you are far less likely to be cut off at some point.

revan23

sounds like slave labour to me, total scam. you can always find something to do if you are unemployed without working for someone else for free. thats ridiculous

havana

Its not working for free. Its called community employment because most people work in community, voluntary or charity organisations that often wouldn't be able to operate without ce staff. Plus you get invaluable experience and training when looking for further work

also you can do part time work to increase your income

sunnyside out

its a great chance to furthur your education cause they want you to do as many courses as possible..

i done a ce scheme up untill a few weeks ago and im on my way to becoming a fully quitified worker to work with children with disabilities in schools

and i never done a leaving cert

all thanks to the chance the CE scheme and FAS gave me to do as many courses as i could

shefra

My CE scheme is coming to an end. Just wondering can I get 'stamps' after its over? Or do I apply for the dole and also how long will it take to get payment.
Living in a small town, no job prospects.

Thanks

R P McMurphy

That would depend on the duration of your placement on the scheme but I would assume you should be grand for a Jobseeker's Benefit payment straight away. CE shemes have an A stamp so should be ok

R P McMurphy

Your JB payment should not take too long to process. Get your P45 as soon as possible once you finish as you will need this

shefra

R P McMurphy wrote: »

That would depend on the duration of your placement on the scheme but I would assume you should be grand for a Jobseeker's Benefit payment straight away. CE shemes have an A stamp so should be ok

Thanks for the reply R P

Bob Z

the GALL wrote: »

It's the same as the dole but your givin a travel allowence/ meal allowence so about €220 Total
So if you take into account 197.50 for lying in bed doing feck all and €220 for doing 19.5hr work....It's up to yourself what you want
But I will say in their defence they do have a budget for courses to get you back to work ie first aid/ECDL etc etc

Its 216 but you are not given any travel expenses so if you do a ce scheme a bit away from where you live you might not be much beter off

Cooldog

havana wrote: »

Its not working for free. Its called community employment because most people work in community, voluntary or charity organisations that often wouldn't be able to operate without ce staff. Plus you get invaluable experience and training when looking for further work

also you can do part time work to increase your income

I have the option of a CE scheme but I also work part time from home in the evenings, does anyone know if you CE scheme employer is obliged to make sure that your hours dont clash with those of you part time work?

ash_18x

could anyone tell me what rights people on CE Schemes have?
I know someone on one and the way they get treated is apalling. they are treated like crap. they tried ringing citizens information but they werent much help.
they have to hand in a doctors cert for one days sick! thats not the issue though, its just the general treatment of them. Breaks etc.

thanks.

Bob Z

ash_18x wrote: »

could anyone tell me what rights people on CE Schemes have?
I know someone on one and the way they get treated is apalling. they are treated like crap. they tried ringing citizens information but they werent much help.
they have to hand in a doctors cert for one days sick! thats not the issue though, its just the general treatment of them. Breaks etc.

thanks.

Even though it's little pay it's the same rights ad being on a job. Supervisers can be easygoing but they don't have to be. It's a bit harsh to be strict on breaks etc but they are within their rights


However they can't make you do anything that you weren't employed to do eg if you join a ce scheme as technician they can't make you do all the cleaning or make the tea You are on them them to learn a trad

ash_18x

Bob Z wrote: »

However they can't make you do anything that you weren't employed to do eg if you join a ce scheme as technician they can't make you do all the cleaning or make the tea You are on them them to learn a trad

Not on this one, the original description of the job and the actual duties that are carried out are totally different. The boss is a batalax and the people working there on the CE Scheme are being treated like slaves.
Some tried to complain above her to the coordinator, it fell on deaf ears. I think they should go further.

thanks for that Bob Z!

Bob Z

ash_18x wrote: »

Not on this one, the original description of the job and the actual duties that are carried out are totally different.

You could complain to FAS i think they take that sort of thing serious

ash_18x

Bob Z wrote: »

You could complain to FAS i think they take that sort of thing serious

i will be suggesting this, thanks!

Owenzy31

hi i've just been accepted onto one of these schemes - just wondering will i get paid the full rate even though my husband is in full time employment? the girl that interviewed me said she contacted fas but they won't let her know until Monday - when i'm due to start !

Cooldog

Owenzy31 wrote: »

hi i've just been accepted onto one of these schemes - just wondering will i get paid the full rate even though my husband is in full time employment? the girl that interviewed me said she contacted fas but they won't let her know until Monday - when i'm due to start !

My advice stay on the dole and as far away from these scheme's as possible. Mine turned out to be basically a paid skivy, cleaner general dogsbody working days nights weekends also had to work x/mas day and stephens day. Give you all of the responsibility without any of the benefits and all for €30 extra a week. By the time your done paying for transport and food you'll be worse off I tell you. They say they will send you on courses but I found that the courses were to less of a standard of qualification than I was had anyway.
There designedto help you find employment but as long as these organisations get CE scheme labour for free why would they bother offering part or full time employment?
Just my opinion have a really good think about it before you start.

Karen23

Owenzy31 wrote: »

hi i've just been accepted onto one of these schemes - just wondering will i get paid the full rate even though my husband is in full time employment? the girl that interviewed me said she contacted fas but they won't let her know until Monday - when i'm due to start !

When I started my C.E scheme I was in receipt of One Parent Family Allowance but I got married in the mean time and FAS wouldn't re new my contract because my husband works , I did get to finish out my time but I had to leave then. They said the schemes are for for people in receipt of benefits. I was devastated because I loved my job. It was my first time working in 10 years and gave me great confidence. I was lucky to have a great supervisor who always encouraged me and gave me lots of training.
Money wise these schemes only benefit people on Disability Allowance or One Parent family as you get to keep this allowance as well as your wages. But if you're on the dole you lose that payment and only get the wages.

Karen23

Just to add my Dad finishes his CE Scheme next month , he currently does meals on wheels and any maintenance in the centre. He's been there for 7 years and while hes very grateful for the years hes been given he's worried what will happen to him now. My Mam and Dad will be down his wages every week which will be a huge loss and at 57 whats the likely hood of him finding another job.
His boss doesnt want to let him go because he knows the job so well and has pleaded with FAS to keep him on because they'll be lost without him and shes never had a single complaint about him and all the old folks he delivers to trust him completly , he knows where they leave spare keys etc so he can let himself in with their meals and they've also contacted FAS for him to be kept as they dont like the idea of a stranger taking over but its no good. Once you're time is up , thats it.

Yellow121

I see more and more jobs are coming under the CE scheme heading, employers are taking advantage of the fact they can employ people for nothing and make huge profits. This is disgusting.

daisling

I am on a CE Scheme and I get 237 per week I love my job. Best one I have ever worked in staff are great and very encouraging learning skills I would never have had an oppurtunity to before. If you care about the money alone, it is probably not for you but if you want to get out and learn new skills and mix with people then it is worth while

Yellow121

daisling wrote: »

I am on a CE Scheme and I get 237 per week I love my job. Best one I have ever worked in staff are great and very encouraging learning skills I would never have had an oppurtunity to before. If you care about the money alone, it is probably not for you but if you want to get out and learn new skills and mix with people then it is worth while

That wasn't my point. I was looking at the employers, they see this as a great opportunity to get workers for free and are taking advantage of the current unemployment situation, it might be alright for you, obviously you mustn't have many bills to pay but for people with a family these Work placement programs aren't an option.
Employers taking advantage of the current economic climate are scum.

mattjack

Yellow121 wrote: »

I see more and more jobs are coming under the CE scheme heading, employers are taking advantage of the fact they can employ people for nothing and make huge profits. This is disgusting.

I,m on a CE scheme too , I have a trade and struggle every day of the week to make ends meet....but I dont feel im being taken advantage off...if anything I find the CE scheme very fulfilling and enjoy it very much...most CE employers you find are either charities or community based organisations who would cease to exist without CE and are certainly not making huge profits...

Karen23

The places me and my dad did our C.E Schemes are both community organisations providing valuable services which are free therefore they make absolutely no profit at all.

daisling

Yellow121 wrote: »

That wasn't my point. I was looking at the employers, they see this as a great opportunity to get workers for free and are taking advantage of the current unemployment situation, it might be alright for you, obviously you mustn't have many bills to pay but for people with a family these Work placement programs aren't an option.
Employers taking advantage of the current economic climate are scum.

Wow you are doing a great job of making sweeping statements and assumptions about peoples situations. I pay mortgage, gas, esb and eircom also my job is 20 miles from home so I keep a car on the road and pay childminder for the 19.5 hours I work. If you read the original post the question was what do people get paid and as I said I get 237 per week or €12 per hour.

Yellow121

I am very sorry, I have got confused between a WPP(work placement program) and a CE scheme.
Yes I know the CE scheme's are for mostly mostly community organizations. It is the work placement program that are a disgrace. If you look at the FÁS job website and anywhere in the country you will see full-time jobs listed with the WPP1 or 2 beside the job title, there are loads of them. And the places that offer these are definitely not charitable organizations.

Yellow121

daisling wrote: »

Wow you are doing a great job of making sweeping statements and assumptions about peoples situations. I pay mortgage, gas, esb and eircom also my job is 20 miles from home so I keep a car on the road and pay childminder for the 19.5 hours I work. If you read the original post the question was what do people get paid and as I said I get 237 per week or €12 per hour.

I am sorry about my incorrect assumptions but why do you say you get paid 237 per week or 12 per hour? If you were not doing this CE scheme you would be getting paid 186 per week(and thats if you don't get other benifits), which means you are actually paid 50 euro's per week. When you include the amount you pay for fuel and a childminder, you lose money doing this.

Chaotic_Forces

Are people not getting the Work Placement Programmes mixed up with a C.E. Scheme?

It's the WWP ones that are the scams. The CE Schemes are generally well praised (at least from what I understand).

You only work 19.5 hours per week so if you're working over that... that's clearly illegal since it's not part of the agreement, or at least FÁS should be informed that you're being taken advantage of.

And it's not exactly "slave labour" or "free employment". Considering you're only working 19.5 hours a week for 216 (or there abouts) helps do two things: gives you some sort of routine and helps you get back (or starting) work and secondly, it gives you some sort of satisfaction (at least I'd imagine it would) since you are actually earning the money on JSA.
Plus you know, it's got the added bonus of saying "oh, I think I'm qualified because I worked the same job on a CE Scheme" instead of "uh I don't know if I'm the best choice but hire me!".

mattjack

Yellow121 wrote: »

I am sorry about my incorrect assumptions but why do you say you get paid 237 per week or 12 per hour? If you were not doing this CE scheme you would be getting paid 186 per week(and thats if you don't get other benifits), which means you are actually paid 50 euro's per week. When you include the amount you pay for fuel and a childminder, you lose money doing this.

maybe daisling was bored sitting around the house....I know I was ..at least now I,m occupied and getting a chance to further my education as well...CE schemes are not that bad...try one you might be surprised

Yellow121

mattjack wrote: »

maybe daisling was bored sitting around the house....I know I was ..at least now I,m occupied and getting a chance to further my education as well...CE schemes are not that bad...try one you might be surprised

Hahah yes I know what being bored around the house is like and I have applied for some CE schemes, unsucessfully.
What I was saying was you do not get paid 237 a week for these, it's just a extra 20-30 euro's.
Maybe I'm not putting my point across properly, it's the WPP that I have a problem with not the CE schemes.

mattjack

fair enough WPP schemes are a scam...though you may know it ..you can earn up to 250+ euros on CE schemes..try again and good luck with your application

paddy147

The CE scheme is a bit of a con to be honest.

Yoy get a few euros more for working your ar5e off,but then you actually loose more money when you take into account,fuel costs (if you drive) toll fees or public transport costs,food etc etc.

Basicly you are working for free,or in some peoples cases,actually working at a loss,when compared to what they would normaly get on the dole.


You cant blame a good amount of people for not wanting to be a part of the CE scheme.

paddy147

daisling wrote: »

If you care about the money alone,

Thats the very point,its very hard not to care about it,with the state the country is in and cut after cut after cut being inflicted upon households all the time.So if someone will get more money from the dole than a work scheme,what do you think they would opt for,if thay have alot of money worries???

daisling

I get €237 plus my opfp which was only reduced by €40 pw so yes I do earn €12 ph. Plus I get to have a positive outlook and hope and not bitch about how the state is out to get me. IMO the scheme is designed to give people a helping hand in getting back into the workforce. I am very glad I have it as I get to mix with people and do interesting work also like previous poster said it gets me out of the house because day-time tv melts your brain!

YoureSoVain

Yea people are getting WPP and CE mixed up. I am starting a CE scheme and will be getting 208 for CE plus my Disability allowance (reduced to 145) So in total 353 euro

paddy147

YoureSoVain wrote: »

Yea people are getting WPP and CE mixed up. I am starting a CE scheme and will be getting 208 for CE plus my Disability allowance (reduced to 145) So in total 353 euro

Are you allowed to claim disability benifit and also work via the CE scheme?

YoureSoVain

think disability allowance is slightly different than disabillity benefit

Chaotic_Forces

paddy147 wrote: »

The CE scheme is a bit of a con to be honest.

Yoy get a few euros more for working your ar5e off,but then you actually loose more money when you take into account,fuel costs (if you drive) toll fees or public transport costs,food etc etc.

Basicly you are working for free,or in some peoples cases,actually working at a loss,when compared to what they would normaly get on the dole.


You cant blame a good amount of people for not wanting to be a part of the CE scheme.

It's far from a scam. In essence you're working for 208 euro at 19.5 hours per week, that's: 10.60 euro an hour. I've love to know how I can earn that much just starting off working, And those things are usually designed for single mothers since it helps them a lot more since they keep more benefits.

But also, most of these schemes are usually within walking distance (unless you live in the back area of nowhere :P). And you'd spend less on food, I'd reckon. You buy your lunch the night before, make it, bring it in and have it there. Most places also have some sort of an area for tea or coffee so you're also saving money on those since you won't be drinking them as much at home.

And let's not forget you're actually working and learning for 10.60 per hour. It's only 19.5 hours a week. What more do you want? I mean, really? What the Hell else would you like? It's not as if you'll get a higher wage than that in most places starting off.

How exactly is working for 10.60 an hour a scam?

Yellow121

Ok CE schemes are not like WPP because it's mostly community organizations who can not afford to pay wages but will ye stop saying you get paid 12euro a hour or 10.60 an hour. That just isin't true.
If you're getting paid 208 on a CE scheme, you are gaining 20 euro's per week, thats 1 euro per hour. Yes 1 euro per hour!

Chaotic_Forces

Yellow121 wrote: »

Ok CE schemes are not like WPP because it's mostly community organizations who can not afford to pay wages but will ye stop saying you get paid 12euro a hour or 10.60 an hour. That just isin't true.
If you're getting paid 208 on a CE scheme, you are gaining 20 euro's per week, thats 1 euro per hour. Yes 1 euro per hour!

So... you consider your 188 euro you get on JSA a wage? Believe it or not, a lot of us on JSA do not consider it a career and as such, it is not a wage to us.

You, personally might consider collecting your JSA as collecting your wages and signing on once per month as your job but a lot of us don't.

The CE Schemes are work, you get paid for them, you work and you are being given money; it is work and a wage.

Oh and they are FAR from anything like a WWP, you are still entitled to a lot of your benefits, you are not working for less than minimum wage, you are not expected to work for several years and thne take up a WWP as most of the employeers than look for free labour using those programmes want.

Quite frankly, if you don't consider a CE Scheme a job then I've actually lost hope for me every being able to say I'm on the dole without beeing sneered at.

mattjack

Paddy / Yellow ..there is NO work in Ireland these days..might surprise ya a bit ..CE schemes give people an oppurtunity to improve themselves ...FAS has an allowance of five hundred for each person to do courses / training etc per year...and believe you can actually pick courses to suit yourself...Im getting an opportunity to return to third level education.Stop knocking the schemes and maybe see them for what they are ..both of you are correct, pay is low in the schemes...but you may get something for kids,disability etc..and keep all your benefits.

Yellow121

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So... you consider your 188 euro you get on JSA a wage? Believe it or not, a lot of us on JSA do not consider it a career and as such, it is not a wage to us.

You, personally might consider collecting your JSA as collecting your wages and signing on once per month as your job but a lot of us don't.

The CE Schemes are work, you get paid for them, you work and you are being given money; it is work and a wage.

Oh and they are FAR from anything like a WWP, you are still entitled to a lot of your benefits, you are not working for less than minimum wage, you are not expected to work for several years and thne take up a WWP as most of the employeers than look for free labour using those programmes want.

Quite frankly, if you don't consider a CE Scheme a job then I've actually lost hope for me every being able to say I'm on the dole without beeing sneered at.

You seem to be trying very hard to prove to yourself that this is a job. Trying too hard infact. You are being paid 20 euro's a week to do this CE scheme, this is a fact.
It seems to be you that is sneering at people on the dole, the majority who are claiming JSA do not want to be, they'd prefer to be working but not for 20 euro a week but if it makes you feel superior to them cause you do charity work then fair enough.

Yellow121

mattjack wrote: »

Paddy / Yellow ..there is NO work in Ireland these days..might surprise ya a bit ..CE schemes give people an oppurtunity to improve themselves ...FAS has an allowance of five hundred for each person to do courses / training etc per year...and believe you can actually pick courses to suit yourself...Im getting an opportunity to return to third level education.Stop knocking the schemes and maybe see them for what they are ..both of you are correct, pay is low in the schemes...but you may get something for kids,disability etc..and keep all your benefits.

Yes I know there's no work. I have recently done a Fás course but I was unaware that they had 500 for each person. Last time I enquired about this I was told they had no budget.
I'm not knocking the scheme's, I wouldn't mind doing one myself. All I'm saying is you do not get paid 10 or 12 euro an hour, there's no point fooling yourself.

Chaotic_Forces

Yellow121 wrote: »

You seem to be trying very hard to prove to yourself that this is a job. Trying too hard infact. You are being paid 20 euro's a week to do this CE scheme, this is a fact.
It seems to be you that is sneering at people on the dole, the majority who are claiming JSA do not want to be, they'd prefer to be working but not for 20 euro a week but if it makes you feel superior to them cause you do charity work then fair enough.

So according to you I just get 20 euro if I do a CE Scheme? Really? I'll be sure to notify the Citizen's information office and Social Welfare they that are actually getting the amounts wrong :rolleyes:

You just lost any and all credibility with your blatant lie that I would just be paid 20 euro.

I dunno about you buddy but being able to say "I'm on a CE Scheme and work 19.5 hours a week for my money" is a lot, lot more satisfaction than having to say "no, still no jobs, still on the dole". At least that's how I feel. But hey, I'm the one that works by signing on, right?

Yellow121 wrote: »

Yes I know there's no work. I have recently done a Fás course but I was unaware that they had 500 for each person. Last time I enquired about this I was told they had no budget.
I'm not knocking the scheme's, I wouldn't mind doing one myself. All I'm saying is you do not get paid 10 or 12 euro an hour, there's no point fooling yourself.

So what do you call the money you get? Pocket money for being a good little boy?

mattjack

before I started CE scheme I got 130 euros a week on dole..now I get 254 a week..everyone could argue in circles forever about weather you consider a job or not...me personally .. I do.....254 euros an hour for 19 hours a week..not bad..not great either and not what I got as a tradesman.. I,m happy, content even...I hope in years to come to say I used it as a stepping stone to improving myself

Chaotic_Forces

mattjack wrote: »

before I started CE scheme I got 130 euros a week on dole..now I get 254 a week..everyone could argue in circles forever about weather you consider a job or not...me personally .. I do.....254 euros an hour for 19 hours a week..not bad..not great either and not what I got as a tradesman.. I,m happy, content even...I hope in years to come to say I used it as a stepping stone to improving myself

It is a job. Regardless of the people who say "you're a sap for working for a lousy 20 euro". I would love to be old enough to get a CE Scheme. Congrats on actually doing something useful while on the dole.

Yellow121

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So according to you I just get 20 euro if I do a CE Scheme? Really? I'll be sure to notify the Citizen's information office and Social Welfare they that are actually getting the amounts wrong :rolleyes:

You just lost any and all credibility with your blatant lie that I would just be paid 20 euro.

I dunno about you buddy but being able to say "I'm on a CE Scheme and work 19.5 hours a week for my money" is a lot, lot more satisfaction than having to say "no, still no jobs, still on the dole". At least that's how I feel. But hey, I'm the one that works by signing on, right?



So what do you call the money you get? Pocket money for being a good little boy?

Yes you get paid 20 euro a week for doing the CE scheme. Were you getting paid 186 for being on the dole or 196 last year? You still get paid that and a little extra for doing the CE scheme.
I know you think you're better than us ordinary scum who sign on once a month but who pays you your 208 a week? It comes from the same place.
The snobbyness from your posts is unbelievable.

Yellow121

mattjack wrote: »

before I started CE scheme I got 130 euros a week on dole..now I get 254 a week..everyone could argue in circles forever about weather you consider a job or not...me personally .. I do.....254 euros an hour for 19 hours a week..not bad..not great either and not what I got as a tradesman.. I,m happy, content even...I hope in years to come to say I used it as a stepping stone to improving myself

What year were you getting 130 euros a week? Can you get rent allowance doing a CE scheme?