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World's worst diet?

  • 13-08-2008 11:51pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭


    Breakfast

    He kick starts his day and his metabolism with three fried-egg sandwiches, but with a few customised additions: cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and, of course, mayonnaise.

    Amuse-bouche out of the way, he throws back two cups of coffee and sits down to an omelette - containing five eggs - and a bowl of grits, a porridge of coarsely ground corn. He's not finished yet. Bring on the three slices of French toast, with powdered sugar on top to make sure there's no skimping on the calories. And to finish: three chocolate chip pancakes.

    Lunch

    With breakfast wearing off and the hunger pangs biting, he downs half a kilogram - ie a whole packet - of enriched pasta and two large ham and cheese sandwiches. On white bread with loads of mayo on top. To remove any chance that his body will run out of fuel, he washes this down with about 1,000 calories of energy drink.

    Dinner

    Time to load up on carbs. Another half kilo of enriched pasta goes down the hatch with a chaser of an entire pizza and another 1,000 calories of energy drinks. And so to bed.

    No this is the diet of US swimmer Michael Phelps, incredible isn't it?

    US swimmer Michael Phelps made history yesterday when he scooped a record-breaking 11th Olympic gold medal. He has now topped the podium five times in Beijing. After his latest victory, he revealed the secret behind his six-days-a-week, five-hours-a-day training regime: an extraordinary 12,000-calorie daily diet, six times the intake of a normal adult male. This is a typical day.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Leon11


    think he needs to eat more veg......:)

    He's unreal though, I've a new respect for the guy if that's what he's eating every day!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    I thought this was gonna be another lipotrim thread :D:D:D

    EDIT: Btw imagine how good he could be if he got his diet in order!!



























    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOT


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭irish-anabel


    yeah jeez he could really improve on the ol' swimming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭t-ha


    Well if you can't swim for an hour after a normal meal how the hell does he ever train?! :D

    You know, I pride myself on being able to eat ALOT and to be honest, I don't know how he does it? I know some high level athletes and the amount of carbs they eat is generally pretty crazy but if I ate that much food I'd have a distended stomach all day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭mack1


    To be fair, he's training to a level I'd say few can imagine, so he needs the carbs in a big way.

    Plus, if you actually look at it, it's not that bad - minus a few little things like the fried this or that and the mayo, and yes some veg wouldn't do any harm, but I would have imagined any top level athlete to be eating almost a kilo of pasta a day. Though not that I am any expert on the nutrition for professional atheletes!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Hanley wrote: »
    imagine how good he could be if he got his diet in order!!



























    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOT
    :confused:
    I'm getting serious mixed messages here. So he's ok to eat all that **** - processed, refined carbs and high-sugar muck simply because he trains a lot? All I ever see on this forum is "healthy weight is about diet, diet, diet"...

    What about his blood sugar?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Dudess wrote: »
    :confused:
    I'm getting serious mixed messages here. So he's ok to eat all that **** - processed, refined carbs and high-sugar muck simply because he trains a lot? All I ever see on this forum is "healthy weight is about diet, diet, diet"...

    What about his blood sugar?

    You're criticising the diet of the best swimmer ever?

    With all due respect, the guys who are competitive internationally in a lot of sports look past the dogmatic "healthy weight is all about diet etc" thing, and just eat what they need to support their training requirements.

    You can't say it's not working?

    EDIT: For an athlete that trains as much as he does, and has such huge energy requirements, what exactly is wrong with it? And what would you do differently?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭mack1


    Dudess wrote: »
    :confused:
    I'm getting serious mixed messages here. So he's ok to eat all that **** - processed, refined carbs and high-sugar muck simply because he trains a lot? All I ever see on this forum is "healthy weight is about diet, diet, diet"...


    The difference is that he has very different requirements to anyone else here, his body is a high performance machine that needs the fastest burning fuel to keep up with it.

    For us mere mortals "healthy weight is about diet, diet, diet"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Money Shot


    That can't be right - there's no Whey protein, Creatine or specially formulated PWO shakes in there. Feckin' amateur...:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I was just wondering if this would cause damage in the long term. And again, what about his blood sugar?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Dudess wrote: »
    And again, what about his blood sugar?

    What about it?

    Do you know who Mark Phelps is?? He NEEDS simple carbs. And lots of them.

    EDIT: Again, for someone who's swimming 40 hours a week and consuming MASSIVE amounts of calories, what's wrong with it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Hanley wrote: »
    What about it?

    Do you know who Mark Phelps is?? He NEEDS simple carbs. And lots of them.

    At the end of the day the guy is an athlete who works out at a level that very few people on the face of the planet could reach, he needs a lot of fuel and yes there is a chance that he is sacrificing some of his long term health in favour of his life goals ( the same could be said about anyone who endures the stresses he does on a daily basis and the diet required to get through them).

    That was really easy to type.
    Hanley wrote: »
    EDIT: Again, for someone who's swimming 40 hours a week and consuming MASSIVE amounts of calories, what's wrong with it?

    She's not saying there is something wrong with it, she is asking if there are any long term issues etc that may affect him or why it is fine for him to eat this way when other people cannot.

    You would do well to remember that not everyone has a good idea about top end training and diet.
    Dudess wrote: »
    I was just wondering if this would cause damage in the long term. And again, what about his blood sugar?

    Dudess, it is unlikely to cause him any greater damage that the rubbish other people pile into themselves everyday would. Sure, taking in a lot of carbs will spike his blood sugar horrible but we are also talking about a monitored athelete here, the chap will have a team of doctors and multitude of tests taking throughout the year to monitor his health.

    I imagine he is a in a very safe place with regard to health.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Dragan wrote: »
    You would do well to remember that not everyone has a good idea about top end training and diet.
    Yep. As I said, I was getting mixed messages here - I was only looking for clarification. Hanley, I think it's reasonable to be puzzled considering how unbelievably unhealthy his diet is.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Dudess wrote: »
    Yep. As I said, I was getting mixed messages here - I was only looking for clarification. Hanley, I think it's reasonable to be puzzled considering how unbelievably unhealthy his diet is.

    But it's not "unhealthy", for him. He seems perfectly healthy to me? Diet, and the different requirements that people have aren't just blakc and white. Just because it's different to what you see diet-nazi's throwing up on internet message boards doesn't make it bad. Besides, it's not like he's just sitting at home on the couch with a bar of chocolate.

    Check out what he's eating again, it's mostly pasta, bread etc... it's not like he's eating chocolate, jellies and all that jazz.

    He's the most successful swimmer in olympic history (well, should be soon), and he's got another 2 olympics left in him probably!! Everything he does would be so closely monitored that you can be sure he's ok.

    Besides, anyone competiting at a top level is probably willing to go that extra mile to be the best. I'd much prefer to say I was the best in the world at something than to live another 5 years when I'm already 82 or 83....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Dudess wrote: »
    Yep. As I said, I was getting mixed messages here - I was only looking for clarification. Hanley, I think it's reasonable to be puzzled considering how unbelievably unhealthy his diet is.


    It's not really "unhealthy" per se.

    The guy is a top end athlete…they take no risks with their health. As I said already his health will be monitored better than anyone on the planet pretty much, all the extra carbs that he eats compared to us normal humans will be used for their main purpose, fuel, so no extra will end up being stored anywhere in the body. His insulin will spike horribly after eating the meals but even then his body will most likely need that insulin spike just to deal with his work load and recovery.

    I have said this before but some training is highly forgiving and even demanding of high carb intake. His choosen sport would definitely be one of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Hanley, just because I find it strange and I'm asking for enlightenment doesn't mean I'm criticising it, or saying it's wrong, or saying he's unhealthy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Dudess wrote: »
    Hanley, just because I find it strange and I'm asking for enlightenment doesn't mean I'm criticising it, or saying it's wrong, or saying he's unhealthy.

    I was hoping that if you looked thru his diet, thought about why he was eating what he was, and kept in mind he needs massive amounts of carbs for his sport you'd be able to do some thinking about WHY he was eating what he was and figure it out for yourself.

    Sorry for any misunderstanding!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭prodigal_son


    Surely we can all agree that the fryup is unhealthy though.

    Sure, you can eat things like that and have a good pyshique and be a top performer, but really your coating your arterys and viens in muck.

    I thought it would be specially important for someone who pushes their heart and body very heard to keep this kinda thing out of their system, or head toward a heart attack in their 30s?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭bwardrop


    Hahaha - when I saw the thread title I knew it would be Phelps' diet!! I got the exact same info via viral email this morning...

    Firstly - I would question the source of the info... this could be his off season diet, cheat day etc etc - I seriously doubt that it is actually his competition diet... Could be close enough to it, but I would take it with a pinch of salt - if you'll pardon the pun!!

    With regards to the "healthiness" of the diet - for an athlete with a workload like his, he could pretty much eat what he wants and stay healthier than the rest of us. If your daily calorie expenditure is colossal, the minutia of your diet becomes less important. The sheer volume of food you have to eat will ensure you are getting everything you need from it.

    In "Survival of the Fittest", Dr. Mike Stroud describes many of the endurance challenges he took on. He walked across the South Pole with Sir Ranulph Finnes, unaccompanied. They had to carry everything they needed including food. This meant the most calories from the least amount of weight - fats basically. I can't remember exactly, but I think about 60% of their daily calorie intake came from saturated fats... Much of the rest was heavily processed foods. They aimed to consume 6,000 calories a day to meet their energy requirements, however their energy expenditure was consistently above this - on one day they were calculated to have burned 12,000 calories - the highest ever recorded in man.

    Now, this is at the extreme end of the spectrum I'll admit. However, at the end of the expedition they had lost a ton of weight (obviously) but interestingly their blood profile (cholesterol, HDL, LDL, triglycerides etc) was significantly improved and considerably healthier than before they set out, despite the diet.

    For us mere mortals, diet is very important - but when you get close to the extremes of physical performance, you can get away with a lot more :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Is it not just excess fat that builds up in the arteries?If he can eat 12000 calories a day and maintain body fat of ten percent of less,you have to assume none of those calories are excess?

    Surely we can all agree that the fryup is unhealthy though.

    Sure, you can eat things like that and have a good pyshique and be a top performer, but really your coating your arterys and viens in muck.

    I thought it would be specially important for someone who pushes their heart and body very heard to keep this kinda thing out of their system, or head toward a heart attack in their 30s?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Surely we can all agree that the fryup is unhealthy though.

    Sure, you can eat things like that and have a good pyshique and be a top performer, but really your coating your arterys and viens in muck.

    I thought it would be specially important for someone who pushes their heart and body very heard to keep this kinda thing out of their system, or head toward a heart attack in their 30s?

    Has there been any studies about how fry ups effect top level athletes??

    Because unless there's absolutely conclusive proof that it has a negative effect on guys like him, I'm not agreeing to anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭prodigal_son


    Is it not just excess fat that builds up in the arteries?If he can eat 12000 calories a day and maintain body fat of ten percent of less,you have to assume none of those calories are excess?

    I understand he has to be burning pretty much 12000 calories a day to stay in the shape he is in.

    I was still under the impression that it would be better if the calories you take in were better prepared than just frying it. For example eating cheese rather than a greasy rasher for fat etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭t-ha


    Blood sugar won't jump if he's using it up for energy/glycogen etc. He'd also need them to be fairly easy to digest if he's going to be having that much of them or they'll just sit in his stomach all day.
    Veg has no place in a 12,000kcal/day diet - you just couldn't possibly fit it in.

    The lower carb, complex sources, etc. diets that are often recommended around here are because most of us work at a desk all day and basically don't need alot of carbs. This guy has the complete opposite requirement which is why his diet is the complete opposite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭prodigal_son


    Hanley wrote: »
    Has there been any studies about how fry ups effect top level athletes??

    Because unless there's absolutely conclusive proof that it has a negative effect on guys like him, I'm not agreeing to anything.

    Youre a bit defensive about the guys diet.

    I wouldnt like the guy to have an early heart attack, Im sure that wont happen as he will have some pretty good doctors checking him. In my opinion though, it doesnt matter who he is, or how high he performs, withouth the right supervision a diet like that will put you in an early grave.

    Maybe im just bitter at missing out on all them fry ups.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭AlphaMale 3OO


    Hanley wrote: »
    What about it?

    Do you know who Mark Phelps is?? He NEEDS simple carbs. And lots of them.

    Michael Phelps. Mark Spitz.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    forbesii wrote: »
    Michael Phelps. Mark Spitz.

    Lol. Whatever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Ok so he needs that much carbohydrate (why not complex carbs though rather than refined ones?) but what about nutrients? That diet seems to be majorly lacking in them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    I understand he has to be burning pretty much 12000 calories a day to stay in the shape he is in.

    I was still under the impression that it would be better if the calories you take in were better prepared than just frying it. For example eating cheese rather than a greasy rasher for fat etc..

    lolz but he is eating cheese rather than greasy rasher,etc.
    Dudess afaik he wants simple carbs cause they give you energy now,not spread throughout the day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    I thought I ate a lot, I do about 5,000- 6,000 calories a day. Turns out I'm a lightweight.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭thirtyfoot


    bwardrop wrote: »
    Firstly - I would question the source of the info... this could be his off season diet, cheat day etc etc - I seriously doubt that it is actually his competition diet... Could be close enough to it, but I would take it with a pinch of salt - if you'll pardon the pun!!

    I dunno, I've seen the diets at first hand of say top american sprinters or african distance runners and they are what many here would regard as horrific and make me depressed. A walk around a dining hall of the big european track meets will see these guys eat the mountains of "sh*te" food laid on for them - except for the americans who will be down in McDonalds or KFC with their Gummy Bears as they don't like this european food, tastes kinda weird apparently. The diets of Gay, Bolt and Powell are a sight to behold I believe:eek: Think I might go back to my college days when I ate like a rubbish bin, drank like a toilet and ran like a gazelle:cool:, could be something in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    8 Golds will be some achievement, now if he could only clean up his diet!:P

    Maybe someone should get in touch with him to let him know there's an Irish fitness forum who would like to critique his diet.

    He needs loads of salt and fats, much more than we do, hence a fry up. He needs to have his insulin spike to aid recovery, that's what those recovery shakes do for you when you take them by the way, deliver protein with an insulin spike. Frech toast with sugar would seem pretty much perfect for this.

    A "healthy" diet is seen as the be all and end all these days and it's gone a bit over the top, usually thanks to moneygrabbers like "Dr" Gillian McKeith. Believe it or not white bread does not automatically = cancer/obesity. These days if anyone mentions they eat non-wholemeal pasta they get a reaction akin to saying they make their baby smoke cigarettes.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It think it would only be harmful to his health long term if he wasn't burning off all that sugar.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Superdub2


    Hanley wrote: »
    What about it?

    Do you know who Mark Phelps is?? He NEEDS simple carbs. And lots of them.

    EDIT: Again, for someone who's swimming 40 hours a week and consuming MASSIVE amounts of calories, what's wrong with it?


    no never heard of him.... is he any relation to michael??:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    kevpants wrote: »
    A "healthy" diet is seen as the be all and end all these days
    That's the message I was always getting - as someone who isn't an expert on fitness and nutrition, these mixed messages are really puzzling me.
    So the guy can afford to eat ****e, but where is he getting his nutrients from? I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong seeing as he obviously isn't, but surely you understand how it puzzles me.
    and it's gone a bit over the top, usually thanks to moneygrabbers like "Dr" Gillian McKeith.
    I agree with that - her approach is unrealistic.
    Believe it or not white bread does not automatically = cancer/obesity. These days if anyone mentions they eat non-wholemeal pasta they get a reaction akin to saying they make their baby smoke cigarettes.
    Yeah, that's ridiculous, but white pasta is very starchy and fattening, no?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    This thread has made me hungry. I've eaten twice since I've seen it.

    For those of you who think it's unhealthy, remember that Phelps probably burns 10,000 cals in training per day. That's why he can eat like that. You can't because right now you're sitting at a computer, and you will do so until 5pm. So the wholemeal pasta and non-white bread is good for you because you need to match the calories you're burning.

    I'm sure if Ryvita could deliver calories fast then Phelps would be mucnhing them down, but they don't and the quickest, easiest way to get the necessary cals in is to eat calorie rich foods.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Roper wrote: »
    This thread has made me hungry. I've eaten twice since I've seen it.

    I know what you mean, I had a fried egg sambo earlier because of it, haven't had one in months, delicious.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭mack1


    Dudess wrote: »
    So the guy can afford to eat ****e, but where is he getting his nutrients from?
    The majority of what he is eating is not ****e though, that is the point I think. I mean yes he has a pizza and some mayo - but thats only a portion of his overall diet. Not to mention the fact that I'm sure the reporters have been liberal with the details of the whole thing anyway.
    Dudess wrote: »
    Yeah, that's ridiculous, but white pasta is very starchy and fattening, no?

    Pasta is only fattening if you dont burn off the kcals that you ingest - in the same way that anything is fattening. Pasta is obviously carb heavy, so people who want to lose weight are advised against it - this doent mean that it is ****e, it means unless you are doing enough exercise to make use of the carbs you dont need them. Phelps is obviously doing enough to warrent the heavy carb intake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Dudess wrote: »
    So the guy can afford to eat ****e, but where is he getting his nutrients from? I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong seeing as he obviously isn't, but surely you understand how it puzzles me.

    Oh I completely understand. You're only able to base your opinion on the information available so of course you're going to think like that.

    Look I'm not an expert either but I belive I have a highly tuned bullsh1tometer.

    One thing I've noticed is that anyone I know or I've listened to, who competes at a high level and is obviously in peak condition, doesn't seem to care as much as the general public about whether their breakfast contains too many trans fats.

    There are plenty of people more learned than me who claim some of the healthy eating info we're fed is BS too. e.g. http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAE78.htm

    I mean I've added 10 kg to my bench, 15kg to my squat and 30kg to my deadlift since May, I have loads of energy, my cholesterol is normal and I haven't had a cold in 2 years. I also have a stereotypically "unhealthy diet".

    I dunno, maybe I'll drop dead next week. :o


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Dudess wrote: »
    That's the message I was always getting - as someone who isn't an expert on fitness and nutrition, these mixed messages are really puzzling me.
    So the guy can afford to eat ****e, but where is he getting his nutrients from? I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong seeing as he obviously isn't, but surely you understand how it puzzles me.

    It's all about where you are in your choosen field. Generally speaking here on Fitness we are dealing with average people with average goals. They want to lose some weight, maybe get stronger, maybe get bigger etc.

    As such, the law of averages applies. For the average person it's dodge the high GI carbs and eat veg, some fruit, lean meats and good fats.

    But comparing the average person to these guys is like comparing a low end banger to a F1 racing car.....the fuel for the former would never allow the latter to do what it is designed for.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭bwardrop


    bwardrop wrote: »
    Hahaha - when I saw the thread title I knew it would be Phelps' diet!! I got the exact same info via viral email this morning...

    Firstly - I would question the source of the info... this could be his off season diet, cheat day etc etc - I seriously doubt that it is actually his competition diet... Could be close enough to it, but I would take it with a pinch of salt - if you'll pardon the pun!!

    With regards to the "healthiness" of the diet - for an athlete with a workload like his, he could pretty much eat what he wants and stay healthier than the rest of us. If your daily calorie expenditure is colossal, the minutia of your diet becomes less important. The sheer volume of food you have to eat will ensure you are getting everything you need from it.

    In "Survival of the Fittest", Dr. Mike Stroud describes many of the endurance challenges he took on. He walked across the South Pole with Sir Ranulph Finnes, unaccompanied. They had to carry everything they needed including food. This meant the most calories from the least amount of weight - fats basically. I can't remember exactly, but I think about 60% of their daily calorie intake came from saturated fats... Much of the rest was heavily processed foods. They aimed to consume 6,000 calories a day to meet their energy requirements, however their energy expenditure was consistently above this - on one day they were calculated to have burned 12,000 calories - the highest ever recorded in man.

    Now, this is at the extreme end of the spectrum I'll admit. However, at the end of the expedition they had lost a ton of weight (obviously) but interestingly their blood profile (cholesterol, HDL, LDL, triglycerides etc) was significantly improved and considerably healthier than before they set out, despite the diet.

    For us mere mortals, diet is very important - but when you get close to the extremes of physical performance, you can get away with a lot more :pac:

    I've quoted my own post from earlier, because I think it addresses many of the comments that have subsequently come up... particularly the comments about the health implications of such a diet. Perhaps it was too verbose and people lost interest :pac:
    Tingle wrote: »
    I dunno, I've seen the diets at first hand of say top american sprinters or african distance runners and they are what many here would regard as horrific and make me depressed. A walk around a dining hall of the big european track meets will see these guys eat the mountains of "sh*te" food laid on for them - except for the americans who will be down in McDonalds or KFC with their Gummy Bears as they don't like this european food, tastes kinda weird apparently. The diets of Gay, Bolt and Powell are a sight to behold I believe:eek: Think I might go back to my college days when I ate like a rubbish bin, drank like a toilet and ran like a gazelle:cool:, could be something in it.

    Again, the second half of my original post addresses this.

    We don't know how many calories Phelps consumes on a given day, but it is safe to say that:

    a) it is a big number
    b) it needs to provide him with the energy to train / compete & recover

    Eating a huge number of calories is difficult - you have to choose calorie dense foods, which are generally higher in fat. They may appear unhealthy, but they are the right choice for him. Also, you can point out that food X is low in micronutrient / macronutrient Y, but the sheer volume of food that is eaten will compensate for this and ensure you meet your requirements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭bwardrop


    Surely we can all agree that the fryup is unhealthy though.

    Sure, you can eat things like that and have a good pyshique and be a top performer, but really your coating your arterys and viens in muck.

    I thought it would be specially important for someone who pushes their heart and body very heard to keep this kinda thing out of their system, or head toward a heart attack in their 30s?
    Is it not just excess fat that builds up in the arteries?If he can eat 12000 calories a day and maintain body fat of ten percent of less,you have to assume none of those calories are excess?

    Your arteries can't be coated in anything from your diet if it is being used to fuel activity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    bwardrop wrote: »
    Perhaps it was too verbose and people lost interest :pac:
    Eloquence is a handicap on the interweb! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭gabgab


    Funny thread, the man is the fastest man on the planet in his chosen fields, with a team of highly qualified people observing him daily, he burns of fuel at a tremendous rate, yet people are discussing a rasher or the amount of macro nutrients.....

    He burns alot, he eats alot, and is the fastest man in the world,

    I'm off to burger King and to get me some swimming lessons :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Dirk_Diggler


    Youre a bit defensive about the guys diet.

    I wouldnt like the guy to have an early heart attack, Im sure that wont happen as he will have some pretty good doctors checking him. In my opinion though, it doesnt matter who he is, or how high he performs, withouth the right supervision a diet like that will put you in an early grave.

    Maybe im just bitter at missing out on all them fry ups.


    There's a reason he's defensive. He doesn't keep to a clean diet so it's refreshing for him to see a top athlete not eating a super clean diet.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Surprise surprise, Sky News is doing a 'special' on this & have got some chef to cook it all & put it out on a table. Breaking News everybody!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Al_Fernz


    "Man who burns a lot of calories eats a lot of calories."

    Thanks for that Sky News - now bring on Lisa Burke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I thought the body needed particular nutrients to keep it working efficiently - this diet seems to be lacking in those nutrients.

    Also, why not high-fibre/complex carbs? Is it cuz they've a slower energy release?

    Also, wouldn't all that sugar (don't starchy carbs convert to sugar?) cause weakness etc?

    I'm not contradicting or criticising anyone or anything, it's just that this is really baffling me as it flies in the face of so much I've learned. I'm basically inclined to disbelieve that's really his diet.

    I don't doubt the man burns 10,000 to 12,000 calories a day (although... holy fuk!!!) but I still can't understand how that would mean he's ok to go without essential nutrients for cell and tissue repair. In fact I'd have thought he'd require them even more because of the punishment he puts his body through.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Dudess wrote: »
    I thought the body needed particular nutrients to keep it working efficiently - this diet seems to be lacking in those nutrients.

    Also, why not high-fibre/complex carbs? Is it cuz they've a slower energy release?

    Also, wouldn't all that sugar (don't starchy carbs convert to sugar?) cause weakness etc?

    I'm not contradicting or criticising anyone or anything, it's just that this is really baffling me as it flies in the face of so much I've learned. I'm basically inclined to disbelieve that's really his diet.

    I don't doubt the man burns 10,000 to 12,000 calories a day (although... holy fuk!!!) but I still can't understand how that would mean he's ok to go without essential nutrients for cell and tissue repair. In fact I'd have thought he'd require them even more because of the punishment he puts his body through.

    It should be noted the diet only details food, and not anything about supplementation. This is most likely because in the public mind the word creatine goes hand in hand with the word steroid.

    Can't be having an Olympic Athlete taking in extra ATP...there would be uproar! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Dragan wrote: »
    It should be noted the diet only details food, and not anything about supplementation. This is most likely because in the public mind the word creatine goes hand in hand with the word steroid.

    Can't be having an Olympic Athlete taking in extra ATP...there would be uproar! :D

    I was thinking that. In America's eyes his swims are fuelled by a love of Jesus and Democracy.


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